Spotting The Queen, Roasting Cars and Selling The 911? Ft. @stjarnagloss - C.R.E.A.M. #46

0:00 Introduction and Rule or Ruin

And the final car I'm going to sell is the TDC 911.

Whoa!

Yeah, I'm good.

Yeah.

You know what?

You ruined a child's dream.

You know what?

Son's crying, thanks.

This is why you should bring that bully in.

I saw the Queen's growler in slough.

Hello, and welcome back to the Cars Rule

Everything Around Me podcast,

joined by myself, Edwin, Will to my left,

No Ben behind the camera looks.

Instead, we have special guest,

we have from Shana Gloss, also 46 episode

we'll get into.

But hey, it was like you said before we

started, it was written in the stars.

It was.

At the beginning of every single podcast,

we answer the question whether cars rule or

ruin everything around us.

Calf, what is it for you this week?

Rule.

Okay.

Rule.

Is it because of what's behind us?

Just because everything literally by whole

world revolves around cars.

So it will always rule my life.

Does it ruin it this week?

No.

Yeah.

Because the M2 is fixed last week,

it definitely ruined my life.

So behind us is your M2.

We pulled it in for those visual viewers.

If you're not listening, you can see a rather

large wing cropping out either side of Gran

Turismo 3, which we've got playing on the screen.

What is the little story on this car?

Because it's not stock M2 for those that

can't see it.

It's not stock M2, but I am so gutted that I

didn't realize this was episode 46 because I

should have brought the 46.

M2 Comp is my interpretation of carbon rules,

everything around me, because by the doors,

everything that can be carbon is now carbon fiber.

And then just because it does so well on

social media and lightweight,

whilst I'm not enough of a pilot to know the

difference, I do think there's a bit of value

in taking as much weight out as you can,

because the 46 is night and day difference

between standard weight and what it is now.

And in the color, because if I can tell you

make it, I want a free RS, but I haven't got

a free RS money.

So what is painted is Vesuvius Grey,

which is the 907.

I believe 907.3 RS.2 launch color or press

color, something like that.

I remember it being heavily photographed back

in the day.

And also, what's the plate?

Those of them?

Oh, yeah.

So we're saving the manuals.

Yeah.

So it's Ono to DCT, which we've also got Ono to SMG.

And we own Ono to PDK as well for future.

Nice.

Yeah.

Look at the head.

Yeah.

Hopefully.

Wishful thinking.

We got Ono to Hawaira.

You know, when you get your Zonda.

Yeah.

I think they made all those gearbox things in

a nice 3D format.

DSG, you get a couple in there.

We did toy with, if you get a 991 onwards

3RS, we might have to buy it.

YE 52 PDK.

Yes.

It was a rocketing in value.

William, for you this week, Rule or Ruin.

Now, I'm going to go with a ruin,

actually.

It was almost so close to a rule.

So I got my Mégane back the other day.

We got back from Monterey, did a week of

3:11 Will's Mégane Track Day Experience

work here, and then I had a track day booked

on the Saturday just bean.

So, and I picked up my Mégane from Beanie

Sport, which is 20 minutes from Bedford.

So I said to them, right, car's done.

I'll come to you and I'm going straight to

the track day.

They were a bit like, oh, okay.

It's quite a test.

I was like, yeah, but it's perfect.

Picked it up, drove it there.

It was great, but I still have like a weird

breaks issue, which is not nice.

Also, I took my girlfriend.

I said, I convinced her that please,

just come on a track day.

I just want to show you because she doesn't

trust my driving ever.

And I cannot understand why.

So I said, just come with me.

I'm not saying I'm a racing driver,

but I'll just see how it is.

She came out for the sighting lapse and said,

nah, that's it.

That's a night ten o'clock.

And then obviously I came back here and I

said, look, we just come out for one lap,

one proper lap.

But she'd heard me talking about the spongy

brakes and said, you said something about a

spongy brakes, I'm not coming out.

So what was it?

You said the kitcar road has said,

would you told me about it?

Oh, there was a guy.

He's either a listener of the podcast or he

watches TDC or both.

And he had a kitcar with a fire blade engine.

And we were sort of like quite similarly matched.

And then I came back in, I told him about it.

And he went, okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'll stay out your way.

No, you would no brakes sailing through the infield.

I came up behind into bed.

They weren't dangerous.

They just didn't feel very confidence inspiring.

I came up behind man.

I just saw the indicator go on.

Great tactic.

Just mind games going up to everyone at the track.

They're going, I'd stay out of my way.

Yeah.

Great idea.

You've seen that fluid under my car.

Great way to have a free track,

free and clear track.

They were no misses.

But yeah, I would call it a ruin because I

thought I'd have it back, but it's not.

But soon, soon come again back.

I am a mix.

I actually saved some news.

I didn't even tell it.

I didn't even tell you.

It's not.

I haven't bought another car.

I promise.

It's actually the opposite of that.

I am a rule because I got my E36.

I got a load of wheel bearing stuff that was

keeping it on the ramp.

And it is now, I've been driving around for

the last few days in the last bit of sunshine.

If you don't know, I have a three on six I,

E36.

I didn't know that.

It's white powerhouse.

It's white slick top with white,

comprehensive 18s.

So it looks and it is slammed.

The rear arch just tucks to the edge of the wheel.

It's perfect.

It looks like a touring car.

It does, however, still have a three on six.

by manual.

So I've been trying that car around and I

keep getting people like in traffic being

like, oh, it's sick.

I've had a C63 come off alongside me the

other day and be like, yeah,

let's go.

I was like, no, no, it's seven to five horsepower.

I actually went out of it the other day to go

and do some filming bit.

And we got to a junction and I've put an LSD

risk up for a minute.

So it's got all gear.

It's just missing that engine part.

I said to bed, I wonder if it'll even spin a tire.

So I revved it to red line.

I let it bang off the limiter once or two

times just to make sure it was a red line.

Let off the clutch.

And it went, it didn't even try to spin away.

It just said, I'm just going to mash your

clutch up mate.

I didn't realize you came back and told me

you said 70 horsepower.

I thought you were taking it first.

Yeah, that's like a round about what it is.

I don't think 75 is

6:22 Edwin's E36 Driving Impressions

what a standard one six early one six has.

That's just not good at all.

It's really bad.

I had the, I bought a donor car.

car with the intention of putting a B-58 in

it and a 36 B-20i auto.

And I thought surely this is the Bizans car.

It was the orangey color.

It was new nose one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because loads of people said to me,

you should buy it.

And I was like, I've got too many.

And I've, I've fell out of love with the idea

because the best bit about the 46 is the chassis.

The worst bit is the reliability.

The best bit about the M2 is the reliability,

but the worst bit is the numbness.

And I thought, if I take the unreliability of

an the 36, pair it with the numbness of a

modern image, a B58.

I'm going to have the worst of both worlds.

Anyway, 320i auto, big stamp on the middle

pedal, lunched it.

And I was like, surely this will go.

And it just...

That's a whole number 200 CC.

Is it a 318?

I think it was a 318.

So yeah, you've got no chance.

Yeah, literally 1/6 bless it.

But the best part is I, and the reason I,

my ears perked is that I also own a 3 on 6

auto grandma spec.

It has the small, the little pepper pot wheels.

And they're actually, yeah, they're the SE wheels.

The black lower trims is cloth interior.

It's a horrible car.

But it's the car I think I love the most of

all the cars.

'Cause it's the only car that I get and I

don't act like a prat.

I just drive it.

But my end goal with that car,

and I will not sell it until I do it,

is to put a B58 in it with a ZF8 speed also,

but make it look completely standard for me outside.

There is no, there is nothing to it at all.

But that also brings me on to the other thing.

I'm going to sell five cars.

Holy hell.

I've actually, and I've committed to this.

Who put you up to this?

Well, are the police at the top?

I've got no license anymore.

No, so I, will I recently drove our dream cars?

Well, actually, you drove your dream car twofold.

You drive in a world.

I drove 550 Maranello, and then you drove in Mercilago.

And I started doing research 'cause I'm,

I can't leave anything alone,

right?

Will drove the glardo and went cool.

I could own one of these.

Just a standard glardo.

I drove the 550 and went, I could make

something really cool out of this.

I, if this had coils, or maybe if this had

things, or maybe if this had,

I found out that they do an ITB kit for a,

for a 550 Maranello, Ferrari.

No one's ever done it before.

They make the kit, but no one's done it.

No customers.

No customers.

But they do make the kit.

Genv, you do the kit.

Genv, if you're listening, please,

man.

But anyway, I realized I have 10 cars.

They're all shit.

None of them are good.

They're not none of them other than the M3,

which is all of my money, isn't that?

There's just too many projects for me to do

to get to with TDC.

In my head, I thought, I'm working on cars

for a job.

I'll get through that in a couple of months.

It's a year and a bit later,

and I've chipped into maybe one.

So I'm going to sell five cars.

I'm going to sell the C55.

Also, please do not message me yet.

I will

post on my Instagram.

I barely remember what day it is.

I'm

not going to remember if you message me now.

9:30 Selling Five Cars and Future Plans

8 Series Black, going to sell that.

Not going to sell the Alpiers though.

I can keep in those.

850i, I'm going to sell that.

Both 8 Series gone.

I'm going to sell the Evo.

I planned on doing 400 horsepower on that car.

I'll show it to you later.

It's just a parked out on the paddock.

I always wanted Evo 1, and the journey of

getting it back on the road is the thing I

think I'm most excited for.

I'd like to modify an Evo 5 or 6 one day.

I don't care as much about the one.

That sounds bad, but there's too many things.

And the final car I'm going to sell is the TDC 911.

Whoa!

Yeah, I'm good at it.

But whoa.

Now, but here's the thing.

I have a theory about this, right?

I'm not going to sell it.

I'm going to give it way on a raffle.

Because if anybody was to spend,

I'm

going to get it going as well.

I'm going to get it working.

It's not going to be sold as it is.

I'm going to reloom it, which have a loom.

It's been sitting up there for ages.

If you came to buy that car and you spent the

realistically what it's worth,

seven or eight grand, I'd be unhappy with it.

Yeah, I'd be quite upset.

Whereas if someone wins it for 10p,

fine.

And if it means, even if I don't get as much

money for it, I'd rather someone got that

car, 10p and went out as a bit of a laugh,

I'll turn it into a track car,

or I'll continue fiddling with it bits and bobs.

And all of this will be filmed for the channels.

But yeah, I've just got too many things.

I know that's the dirty, dirty subject and I apologize.

Who, those five cars?

No.

No, nowhere near.

Okay.

So this is the other thing.

The 550, as Will will tell you,

I've been scouring, I want a shell,

I want a fire damaged one, I want a crash

damaged one, 'cause I will never,

without financing myself into,

you know, oblivion, be able to afford and

look like a good 550.

What is a good 550?

So they start at like 70.

Okay.

So there's a really, a really high amount,

like an 80,000 mile one, it's high on piston

heads, that's like your 70 grand,

but even that, the idea of buying that,

I would then be too afraid to ever touch it.

If I managed somehow to sell all my family

members and acquire 70,000 pounds,

I'd buy it and then go, I don't want to touch this.

So you want to do the mamma thing,

buy one for 40, put 100 in it and then go,

this is cheaper.

Exactly that, exactly that.

But yeah, if anybody knows, are they 550?

I think I said this on the exact last

podcast, if you know a crashed one,

you know, a fire damaged one,

if you know of one that maybe someone stolen,

maybe you could see that for me,

or if you're rich, or just get your edge and

get your nation off up.

I've had a terrible donation,

you can write that stuff on Facebook.

And you're in a similar position with the

most of the longer.

Yeah, most of the longer I would love,

but I spoke to someone who does supercar

sourcing, I was out of interest,

do you know anyone who has a 6.2 manual,

I don't care the condition, as long as it has

an engine, because I still like the big bit,

tell me, like, what's going on?

And he said, I have a client who has a 30,000

mile one, which is sort of ling mileage.

He just turned down 300,000 pounds.

That's approximately double or treble,

what I was expecting.

Do you know what, Matt Armstrong?

Make sure your doors are locked here.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, we'll see.

Oh, is it you, Ed Boleon, and those curated guys.

You know what?

You've ruined a child's dream.

You know what?

Some's crying thanks.

Some's crying thanks.

So I mean, I would love a glardo still.

Someone sent me a message and they haven't

glardo on bags on, which is not my taste.

I looked at it, I thought, you know what,

brave, fair, it's a glardo on bags with

aftermarket wheels, but we'll see.

So following on from that, one of the

questions we have from you was,

what was your first car?

And what was your all-time dream car?

And then what car is next?

So first car was, and it was funny,

you mentioned it in your Monterey,

not this one.

My first car was a perfect one.

I'm sorry, sorry.

It was a T50 at that time machine.

It was a Peugeot 106 XN one liter.

500 pounds, it was post box red.

So lovely.

And the gal that owned it before me,

her dad was a paint sprayer.

They had a full re-sprayer.

Honestly, it was spotless paintwork.

This was way before car cleaning or anything like that.

But God awful slow.

But I do still believe strongly that your

first car should be a proper dinger.

Because you will probably mark every corner.

There's a preface with a manual choke.

Color-coated bumpers.

Oh, honestly, the absolute fanny magnet.

Three bolt wheels.

Three lugs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And 1500 quid to earth

of Alpine in it.

So as every 17 year old should have.

Now,

surely that was the thing that got you that

sold you on that car?

Or did you put that in?

I put it in it.

Oh, yeah.

And then quite a bad accident in it,

which wasn't my fault.

I've got to say, someone pulled out in front

of me and saw a 17 year old and went,

touch, I've got away with this.

Luckily, my insurance was quite good.

No, no, no, you pulled out in front of him,

I bounced off him, then hit the bank,

put it on two wheels, fractured a rib,

big whoopsie, but anyone that says the 106

isn't a safe car is talking utter bollocks

because it saved my life on that day.

But yeah, that went to the heaven.

And then after that was a saxophone C.R.

Oh, nice.

You asked, what's my dream car?

My dream car.

Really difficult to say one,

of course.

And then dream car is probably,

and I'm not saying this because you've just

said it, but Mercedes V.

Because last true playboy supercar

15:20 First Car and Dream Car Discussion

slash hypercar, in my opinion.

Saw one, kind of what age I was,

but we go to Harrods every year for my

birthday to get the new Harrods bear with my

godmother used to take me.

And there was one round the back,

and the guy pulled up, and he was just so

cold, and I ate just stuck.

He's in prison now, but yeah,

probably, probably, after that was his South

America, he was hiding, but it was just such

a cool experience.

And I've never driven one, I've been close to

one, but just the coolest thing ever.

And that's not me saying I don't care for

event stores, 'cause that SVJ is horny,

that noise is mega, but I feel like the event

store is the start of the finance,

bros.

And it's not quite as cool.

You don't get proof of finance unless you can

afford it, so I'm not bad male than finance,

'cause Joey and I've got, Natalie's just got

a new car on finance, but I think it's so

much cooler to go, I'll transfer for that,

'cause that's a statement to say,

it's just in the bank ready to go.

And then next car, in the short term,

I probably would get the new G87M2,

'cause I drove one on the weekend,

I've driven quite a few now,

but I drove C.T.

Carvin's one, it's just a lovely,

lovely thing, whereas this is starting to get

a bit E46, a bit crashy, a bit bouncy,

and I would like something that still does

well on social media, which is a nicer place

to sit, and every time as you boys know only

too well, every time you go around with a

car, you just make it worse,

but go into work here, and the M2 is starting

to look a bit like that now.

We just saw one of those M2s,

we just took, got some tires that we picked

up down the road, and that was the blue,

they're all in, they all seem to be in that light blue.

But it had every single end performance,

even at the wing on the back,

which I've never seen, like an Evo-style wing

with a proper, yeah, a newer M2.

And literally, the exhaust, everything.

But next the car was a man, possibly in his late 80s.

I would say it'd get a piece of cake,

and we're like, "Nah, surely not."

That was his car.

And we've heard him talking to the guy in the

tire shop, he's like, "Yeah,

you know, I got off of it."

It was, then he got 2,000 miles on it.

But it had the normal, had the comfortable

seats in it, so it had all the end

performance stuff, but then the comfy seats,

I was like, "No, fair play."

and his wife had seen a little two series and

went, "Oh, I quite like that."

And he went, "I want the best one they do."

And it's come out with the end before it's ending.

All the options.

Why is this too serious?

'Cause I'm just trying to crash.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why is it not CS written on the back?

Oh, don't worry about that.

Don't worry about that.

Wow, so you're a fellow man of taste and

culture at the Mercilago.

It's the car of all time.

Oh, we found out recently we went to Thruxton.

This was actually heartbreaking.

Oh, really?

It was the only just recently drive at Mercilago.

I've been waiting years to do that.

We were at Thruxton, which obviously

attracted you driving experiences,

that kind of thing there.

And when I was about 17, I went to Thruxton

and did like an eventador driving experience,

drove at about 15 miles an hour,

probably, and was scared of it.

But I found out we spoke to them at Thruxton

because they used to have an SV as an experienced car.

And it turns out that it would have been like

six months before I had my driving experience.

They retired that.

No.

And so we were talking to Ben,

who runs like kind of the section of Thruxton

that we speak to.

And he, we were talking about lots of cars

and the moment we said by CFV,

he went, "Oh God, that was incredible.

"That was the best car we ever had.

"I watched Will die."

(laughing)

It was an experienced car.

Yeah, yeah, we used to use it all the time.

So it would have been, I would have done it

in that car.

Had I been born perhaps a year earlier.

So we need to be ringing up mum and dad and

saying, "Come on."

Come on.

You've ruined me chances.

Yeah.

It's been six months earlier.

I need 800,000 pounds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll take it in the form of an SV.

Yeah, I'll take the normal one.

It's fine.

Now onto some other bits.

We got written down, just got some questions for you.

Cool.

Nothing too serious, but you were on the Rap

Dog podcast recently and you mentioned the

Clio 1.82 and a story related to said Clio 1.82.

Would you mind telling us stories?

Not telling us stories.

So, before, wanted to come out of the Citrum

world, just to see what undercut,

obviously Citrus Exos run out at 1.6 and then

a couple of friends, friends had the 1.72 and the 1.82.

And I remember thinking, core,

two liters, hadn't you, that must be.

Such an English thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Americans, what?

Yeah.

And so, it got a 1.72, paid,

I think it was 600 pounds, but the defazer

pulley hadn't been done.

It was due five years before.

So, dirty dirty things.

That's nice.

Had the defazer pulley done for 600 pounds,

and then we thought, well, let's go.

A friend of mine, Stag Do, and zero

preparation, other than the defazer pulley,

and presumably they all have been changed or whatever.

With the drive shaft knocking,

not severely, but you knew the drive shaft

was on the way out.

No time just threw one in the boot and

thought, well, there must be loads of garages

near the nerve purgring.

I'll just take it with me and get it done there.

And a few of the boys were like,

have your payovers.

And I was like, well, I don't have time to do it now.

So we'll just take it with us.

Anyway, turned up.

I must have topped up the oil or checked the

oil or something like that.

And in England, sorry, got to the ring,

paid the money, went round the ring with zero

knowledge other than, oh, that's the carousel.

And funnily enough, when I'd done the Ratdog

podcast, the next day it popped up on my

Facebook memories 10 years ago.

I got the time in wrong.

I said 12, it was 10 years previous.

And there was me.

And I was watching myself driving.

And bear in mind, I've been in quite a few

times now, and I really, really adore that place.

I didn't have a clue what was going on.

But I overtook more things than I got

overtook by, which proves that the ring used

to be a much safer place.

You know, a slower people just driving up

Fiat multiplers, normal stuff.

I don't even think there was a Porsche on the

track at the same time we were.

Anyway, it somehow made it.

I did one lap.

I was a big bag of nerves.

And then I think that I want to say one of

the lads said, let's check our coolant or

something quite responsible.

Yeah.

And there it was.

The awful look at sat on the inlet manifold.

And I was like, I've just driven all the way here.

And I know there isn't much Autobahn,

but we treated the whole journey like it was

the Autobahn.

And I remember seeing 130 on the clock.

I know it isn't a real 130, but 130 on a Clio

is quite fast.

Yes.

And then yet to have done that,

I don't know how the all pressure light,

I don't know how the car didn't tell me

you've left the cap off.

And then put the old filler cap back on.

No driveshaft bended.

And then I was the best man of that stag,

though, stupidly put into bookings.com for

the hotel, Nuremberg.

Oh, nice.

And most people may have made this mistake,

but not actually gone through and booked anything.

Nuremberg.

Well, hotels near Nuremberg brings you out a Munich.

Munich from the ring is a long way.

So we've done a hot lap.

Well, I say a hot lap.

It felt like a hot lap for us.

Then another four hours down to Munich,

for like the drinking part of the stag,

though.

Then came home, like we must have done best

part of 3000

22:47 Clio 1.82 Stag Do Story

miles.

She's pulled in.

And now I think now I take safety a

bit more seriously and I take cars a bit more serious.

I'm like, how did that car make it?

Yeah.

And then yeah, pulled into my house at like

two o'clock in the morning.

And then the drive shaft just went,

bang.

I bought the best car in the world.

The best car in the world.

And then yeah, got it fixed the next day.

So yeah, I do really romanticize about the

182 because it has no right being that

capable, that reliable.

And it was.

And as I say, if anyone that

knew what they were doing and could actually

pedal a car, that drive shaft would have come

out a long, long time ago.

But because I was probably just nursing it

around the cars, I'm fine.

You're doing 20%.

This is the M25 for me.

Yeah, this is normal.

And then got another one a few years later on

the trophy and bought it.

You had a trophy?

Yeah.

Oh, that's cool.

Because I mentioned this on the Rat Dog podcast.

I think the trophy 182 is the cheapest car

that most petrol heads will go as a trophy.

Yeah, exactly.

They take it a bit seriously,

bought it for four, sold it for five,

now they were 15.

Yeah, tough.

Great.

But one thing I've never got about the trophy

is halogen headlights, I'm going to give you

an air con.

Yeah.

Are you a luxury car?

Yeah.

Or pick a side.

Yeah.

But I do love them.

Absolutely adore them.

I didn't love a trophy, but yeah,

they're just too much more.

Have you told them before cost the story

about you nearly getting a trophy as your first car?

Oh, that was what it would have been my second car.

I had a Fiesta as my first car.

I did.

It was the longest I've ever only been to

years because of insurance.

I was like, let me get some no claims on

doors and then we'll go.

And then at the time, my dad had a trophy,

one or two trophy.

It cost him, I want to say it cost him about three grand.

It was nice.

It was really nice.

He had the Bamper's rebuilt,

which is quite a very common thing in those.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Loads of bits done on it.

And I was, I think I must have been 1920 at

the time, two years, no claims,

no incidents, anything like that.

And I was like, I'm going to sell the Fiesta,

which I think was worth about 1500 quid to two grand.

So my dad said to me, because I think at this

time he just bought an Evo and he wanted the trophy gone.

He's like, you can have that for two grand.

If you could ensure it.

I'm fairly sure I spoke to every single insurer.

I was like a call center.

Yeah, if you can get back to me,

I've got another one online yet.

Next one.

And like a hard limiter.

No, yeah.

I was like, I could get used to this.

Yeah.

19 years of old.

19 years of old.

And I'm going, I need this.

But no one would ensure me.

Which is understandable to be fair.

Remind me, how many of them were there?

500.

500.

Yeah.

Am I right in saying 400 came here and 100

went to Switzerland of the right hand drive,

mate?

Something like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're not like spread out through Europe.

There's only like one or two countries.

The sax dampers, you're right.

I forgot how important that was because every

listing had sax dampers rebuilt.

And they are, in today's money,

nothing special.

But God forbid you put coilovers on a trophy.

That's sacrilege.

My dad has a trophy.

He bought a second one a few years ago.

Basically, he likes the red.

And it's the only way to get them to 1.82.

So he bought one, didn't have sax dampers.

I want to say the car was at four or five grand.

And this was recently, so it was good money.

Yeah.

Previously, crash damaged.

And it's just put Bill Steins on it.

And it's probably just as good as a...

He's bought some sax dampers for him in the future.

Just to sell it with him.

But again, you can buy better dampers.

And they cost a lot.

And you only buy two.

The rares are just normal.

And I'm right in saying the red,

which is the Renault Scenic breast release colour.

Really?

I don't know how that's special colour.

I think it was the, I think it was the,

I think it was the Scenic colour without the

metallic flake.

Nice.

It was a cheaper version.

Obvocenic.

It's like not sexy at all.

They must have just blown their load on the

sex dampers and offer that money.

So we got some of this already.

Given the halogens as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My dad's one's got, doesn't have the original

Recaro's in it.

They've been chate, then Nagaro's now.

And then aftermarket exhaust,

the wheels are still the same.

Big of, it's a track, sort of half track car,

club sport car, but with a trophy.

It's a 182 in red.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just fail.

Right.

Cause the trophy forum is like,

again, like there'll be lots of other forums

like this, but the trophy one in particular

is like, right, this is my number.

Yeah.

Yeah.

sell it.

You need to be in that forum.

Yeah.

You need to update us what you are doing with that car.

So they see like a modified one and a lot of

them to be fair.

Like, you know, fair enough,

it's a trophy that's on the road.

It's cool.

But you can see some that like.

That's not.

And the seats.

But it's better modified.

And I'm right in saying the seats that came

in the two to five are the same,

but four leather and worth a fraction of the

amount that obviously on the trophy,

they're numbered.

Oh cool.

So yeah.

You see it in forums where people say,

I've got some recarias for sale.

I miss this.

I always want to know like, where did that car go?

Yeah.

Is that a dead car?

Has someone, someone out there is missing their recarias?

Some dude in a 1000 pound 172 has got 77

seats in it.

I know that there's someone who's gone on to

the forum, who hasn't gone on to the forum

for a few months or weeks ago.

No, my seat, no, I need those.

My seat.

It's not like, oh, they'll come up again.

Nope, they've gone up forever now.

What a thing, Mike.

What a thing.

I love a one eight two, even though I might sell mine.

Am I right in saying they're all 55 plates?

Yes.

50, five and oh five three.

Yeah, it's like the run out version.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like you said, like that's one of the few

cars that it has the GT3 RS vibe.

Where they, where you get it.

Oh, it does.

Yeah.

Like if you turn up to a cars and coffee in a

172, they'll go make Parkinson's around the back.

Yeah, you turn up for the trophy and they go

next to the LFA.

If you could please.

Because it got that it was Evo car of the year.

Yeah.

It was in the car of the year.

I think there's those famous photos of it

that every single trophy owner will have this magazine.

Yeah.

It's Evo magazine car of the year.

It's with like a Zonda.

Yeah.

And a load of just stuff it shouldn't be with basically.

Chris Harris done a lovely feature and one

when collecting cars

had a huge Renault collection number one,

I think it was.

Was it number one?

Yeah.

And it was really romantic video.

It was mega.

What I would love to do because the trophy

compared to the R26R isn't that special.

The R26R special car.

Yeah.

Real soft spot for them.

I would love to make the R182 or the R172R.

Yeah.

White, red cage, boosted.

Oh.

With perspex windows.

And I reckon you could do it.

If you bought the, if you bought a boosted

182 for six friendly painter cage,

you could do it for sub 10.

Yeah.

That would do well on social media.

Also there are, there are carbon bonnets that

are offered.

Yeah.

There's a guy I know messes me quite a lot.

He's doing loads of carbon stuff.

Okay.

He's got carbon front bumper,

rear bumper, doors, roof.

It's the silver one.

Yes.

I know that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I met with the ring.

Lovely guy.

Richard, yes.

But he's gone ape shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he sends me an update.

I'm like, whoa.

That was a clear like six months ago.

And now it's a spaceship.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just carbon everything.

And then you could do like that with some

fancy seats in it.

That'd be cool.

Would be nice.

Yeah, that would be cool.

I would like to see that.

So we'll let you do that one.

Yeah.

We'll have a go when it's done.

So moving on from that stuff,

obviously you are face of Stiana Gloss.

Stiana Gloss is a brand I've known about for a while.

And because of you, obviously,

I didn't know about it before.

I saw your stuff on TikTok and Reels and whatever else.

And I was like, no, I don't think I'm sold to

particularly often.

30:44 Stiana Gloss Brand History

So I saw your stuff and I thought,

I need to buy something.

Yeah, it has to be good.

And I just, I love the branding and

everything you've done with it.

But obviously how did you get to Stiana Gloss?

Like what is your history before that?

So I've always been a salesman from World

Duty 3 and Stan said airport when I was 19

years old, I think.

But I didn't love the product.

And then, but I did love cars.

And then I went to do, I went to an

engineering company that sold consumables

around the engineering and world in fabrication world.

And I saw some really, really cool stuff and

some really, really nice people.

But again, I didn't love that space.

And then I worked for a competitor of mine

and I was there for four years and I really,

really loved it.

Because going back ever so slightly when I

was at school, everyone said you'll be a

second-hand car salesman.

And it felt derogatory the way they said it.

So I didn't want to be that.

Truth be told, had no one have said that,

I probably would have sold second-hand cars

and been quite good at it.

And I don't mean that in an arrogant

standpoint,

but just that is my patter that suits me quite well.

And I grew up watching Only Fools and Horses

from as long as I can remember,

I have watched Only Fools and Horses.

And it probably has affected my,

or influenced my persona.

I quite a lot because I am very,

very lucky.

And I do not say this with any arrogance.

I am very lucky because I can just talk at a

camera and it's always salesy focused.

And I didn't, again, I am so lucky to say this.

Please don't

think for a second I take it for granted.

Sometimes I don't have anything to say.

And then I hit record and I walk around and

these words come out.

And it's almost like I'm watching myself.

I'm like, how is this happening?

I don't know how I've just done that.

And I am very, very lucky that in 2025,

in the 2000s, social media selling is,

dare I say, the most important place to do it.

Because you instead of having to deliver the

same pitch to 100 customers,

you can make that video once and 100,000

people see it.

So I am really, really lucky that drama from

the age of three and then sales in my early

career have sort of combined it to social media sales.

You entertain, you educate, and then at least

to a sale.

And it was so accidental that I sell a

relatively inexpensive product.

It's £10.

I'm not saying our product is cheap,

but a 10 is a 10 up.

And I can

demonstrate it on cars that are a much higher value.

So you can show people, you can have some

real curb appeal in the background.

But what you're trying to sell them is

relatively inexpensive in comparison.

And the craziest thing, and I will never stop

mentioning this story, 'cause I think it's so

important for anyone trying to start a

business or anyone intimidated by social media.

I get it.

Stjarnagloss was never, I was never meant to

be the face of Stjarnagloss.

When we started the brand, it was meant to be

like Supreme.

And I've got our business plan written down.

Like I'm not making this up.

Supreme was King of the Castle when we

started this brand six years.

ago in that there was no face of Supreme,

but there were people camping outside to get Supreme.

And nobody really knew why it was just that

it had that exclusive feel.

And the fuel can was meant to be our box logo.

It was just, I need that thing.

And the original version of fuel can,

you couldn't buy it.

So that was meant to be a need to know basis

on the passenger seat of cars.

And everybody wanted to know more about it.

But then COVID kicked in and it was like,

whoa, panic moment.

But if you just keep going, you find your niche.

And now,

as I say, I'm just a fountain of words.

It just comes naturally.

But if you care enough, please go and watch

some of the earlier videos, because they are pants.

And I didn't, I have to say,

I worked really hard to get to where we are now.

So what I'm getting at is, if you are unsure

and you are intimidated,

you will

find your niche.

That is the exact thing that we

say to anyone that ever says to us,

how do I start a

YouTube channel?

Just go.

Because we look back on our first

five, 10, 50, TDC videos.

And I don't like them.

And they're not great to me.

Someone might still like them,

but you just go, just start.

Because you'll never, you'll never perfect it

enough to start with a banger.

It will not happen.

I know you think in your head,

in my head, I still think I could do it.

If you work for the slate cleaner,

I could start with a good one.

No, it won't.

It won't be good.

If you're starting something new,

you are going to learn along the way.

It's inevitable.

And no matter how professional you are at one

thing, if you move into something else that

you've never done before, you're going to

mess it up along the way.

And actually, part of that is what's

endearing to some people.

Absolutely.

You're going to go, this guy hasn't come in

as if to say, oh, no, this works.

You're going to listen to me.

It's okay, I'm seeing this person.

The people who have followed you for a long

time, they're going, okay, I've seen you

start from there.

And now you're doing this with the builds and

whatever else.

So people like that, human touch.

Same reason, Matt Armstrong is so successful.

Yeah.

He does not hide any part of his fumbles,

his mistakes, his issues.

He goes, yeah, I missed it up.

I might get it right on the next one.

That's human.

Yes, that's exact.

You mentioned the fuel cans.

Those are for the, oh, God, you're listening.

We've got completely forgot.

Sorry.

The actual fuel can is what,

yeah, that's your, I guess, brand.

I would say it's our mascot.

That's the word I was looking for.

But people paint them in their car colors.

I mean, you've, so you've brought two along

with us today.

I think if I'm honest, the one on the bottom,

I think you might need to get your production

quality up a little bit more.

No, we decided to make a TDC one and I think

it's come out lovely.

The logo's not bad.

You did this like an hour before.

I thought it wasn't too bad.

It was also with a permanent marking paint pen.

By the way, Alex's cab, he's going to be

quite upset about this.

It does not wipe off.

No matter what you do to it,

it will not come off one of one.

And the fuel cans, a real quick overview of them.

The first ones were sponsorship only.

And then we had a lot of people inquiries and

I want one, I want one, I want one.

I said, you know, they're sponsorship only.

And I can't remember the guy.

He said, I'll buy one.

And we just never considered it.

And so they, they were quite a lot of money.

They're 300 pounds.

And now they're 400 quid because obviously

the price of anything hasn't gone down.

And but the nuts thing is, we don't do custom fuel cans.

Yeah.

We only do the whatever color it might be.

So at the moment, the current color is slate gray.

Every color, every can you see out there that

is not a original color.

Yeah, they've painted and we are so lucky.

That's so cool.

That much to customize they can.

We've now got some that flocked inside,

leather inside, a gentleman cut this

Jarnagross logo out of it and has back lit it.

Oh, that's sick.

of money on these things.

I'm like, we are so lucky to have customers

to rep your brand.

Yeah.

And it just amazing.

And I don't mean to sound wet,

but we will never take that for granted.

Yeah.

When somebody goes off, customize my can.

I'm like, is that okay?

Of course it's okay.

I know Ferrari get the upset if you do

anything with their products,

but I am all for customizing your can.

But you're one dare I say it.

Thanks.

Well, first of all, this is bigger.

20 liters.

Yeah.

And yours actually holds fuel,

whereas ours is just an inconvenience.

I'll be holding the back of it.

But it is for holding detail.

Yeah.

Obviously not like mine's empty.

Because I'm an idiot.

But yeah, they normally open up like a

briefcase and there's all the essentials that

you need for cleaning the car.

But we said before, that is,

it's such a unique, but also perfect idea.

It's a car person's object that contains car

people objects, if that makes sense.

It's something you want with you.

And it also doesn't look like a scrub daddy.

What do you call it?

Those wash bag things that just have all your

shower mats and things inside.

That's that looks wank.

Also, it's a good case for not overthinking

stuff too much.

Because if you had if you had a planning

meeting with five people in it and you're

thinking, right, we need to need a product

that we can sell for that, that amount of

money, if someone said, what about fuel can?

Everyone would go, no.

No, we'd do that.

But if you go, no, let's just try that.

Because it's like the Supreme thing,

it doesn't have to be a calculated,

or if we do this, this will will work,

and it just works.

And to be fair, it wouldn't be right to not

mention two important people,

Dom, of Dodo Juice, my director.

It was his idea, so I will never take credit

for the fuel can.

And also, it was a spin on a,

you must have seen them on the internet.

It was a guy who'd made it like a minibar,

so there was a bottle of Jack Daniels and six

cans of Coke.

So he basically put the door in it,

and then Dom was like, get that light out,

fill it up with car cleaning products.

But you're right, you would never,

I don't think anyone would ever come up with

that idea from a commercial perspective,

because they're a big pain in the backside.

I don't ship really well.

You imagine putting fuel on an invoice and

trying to send it to America.

They love it.

They love seeing the word fuel can.

So yeah, big inconvenience for shipping internationally.

And the other thing is what we didn't realize

is because they stand quite tall,

you put the logo on the front,

people then put them next to their car.

You think of something else that you can

transport, car related, that stands like,

just works so well.

But all these things we learned along the way.

So yeah, and obviously, as I mentioned

before, I've seen a load of content all over.

And actually, genuinely, I actually like

cleaning cars, but sometimes I'll see your

stuff and go, you know, I do want to get out

and try that out.

It actually has.

Yeah, because I'm bad about doing it.

I do not clean my cars, but I'll see.

I'll get a real pop off.

I'll go.

All right.

Fine.

I'll do it.

I'll do it.

Force is the big one, I think.

Whenever I see that on social media,

that makes me want to cut and clean.

Yeah.

Because people like a form of a better of a

term, a miracle product.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One that you spray on and goes,

this does everything.

Obviously, there are low developments to

detailing a car.

But I look at that and go, okay,

that makes my life a million times easier.

Yeah.

But it doesn't have this like shiny,

polished, annoying video.

We've worked with brands in the past.

Yeah.

And it's boring.

It makes it really, really boring when

someone goes, the piece is incredible on us.

In a science lesson, all of a sudden,

that no one understands, people understand

the result and a smell and a look and feel and advice.

The classic.

What we learn along the way,

so as I mentioned earlier on,

my parent company don't reduce,

they are very much for the detailer.

The guy that has got far too much time on their hands.

And naturally, they thought that ethos would rub off.

If you are a detailing brand,

you should want to do it properly.

But one thing I think laziness was a cheat

code was people don't have five hours.

They've got an hour at best.

So forced, as you mentioned earlier on,

does lift so much dirt.

I'm not using this as a sales pitch,

but it is a great visual.

It's a great sales, it's a great visual

because you go dirty car, clean car,

mega.

And the other cheat code, if you will,

or laziness, what people buy into is the

protective rinse aid because you have a

completely unprotected panel,

you spray it on and then it's protected.

People want speed.

And I probably annoy some of my competitors

because it is

like, this is the quickest way to clean your

car yourself.

Obviously, you can go down the petrol station

and they can do it for you, of course,

but I still want customers that care enough

about their own car.

So I'm more than happy to lean into,

that will rip most of the dirt off.

You still need to do a contact wash and you

can protect the car and dry it in half the time.

That's what most people have got time for.

of cleaning the car.

But thank you for mentioning that because I'm

not so proud to listen to my customers.

Next door neighbor, Jason, I reference him

quite a lot.

I watch him clean his car.

Obviously, I clean my car at work.

So it's not a thing.

He has an hour on a Saturday to do his car.

And I'm like, right, that's who I need to talk to.

And thank you for, I love my,

literally my most favorite part of the job is

making the videos.

And sometimes I worry that I'm getting a

little bit too arrogant with it.

But every time I post another video,

it just gets more and more laughing faces.

And I'm like, people get it as long as we get the humor.

Because sometimes I can come across so arrogant.

And it's probably a bravado.

It's probably a persona that's come out

through years of doing it.

But I love the fact that it reminds you to

clean your car because that's fantastic.

And also again, there's the,

you said you mentioned before that you didn't

intend on being the face of Starnagloss.

But if I'm thinking of detailing brands in my

head, you're probably the only face I think of.

So back in the day, Dale.

Yeah, basically.

But in terms of right now on social media,

that's it.

And it just proves people like to see people

respond to things.

It's quite a faceless, smart,

spits stuffy.

Stuffy business-

You're not aiming at that person.

I always think about it

is that a car for a car person,

it doesn't need to be immaculate.

It needs to be that you finish the wipe,

stand back and go,

"How do we get a photo of that?"

That's it.

If you go and

look up close on my car, it's still dirty in places.

But

when I stand back, I go, "Man,

that's, I love that car.

That's my car."

That's all that matters to someone.

I mean, that much makes, feels better than a clean car.

And it's not because you've gone,

"Oh, man, there's a little swell mark on my

blank spoiler there."

Yeah, don't care.

Yeah.

I made a video the other day about Quick Detailer.

And I do treat the car to a,

if I've got a spare 20 minutes,

just go over the car with Quick Detailer.

Excuse me.

Because it will add a little bit of shine.

You will catch those bits that you've missed.

And I respect it.

We've all done it.

When you go to the petrol station,

and you spin round, and he's just got that

extra little bit of pop.

Yeah.

No, you should polish and correct the pain

and seal it and blah, blah, blah,

blah.

No one's got half a day to do that.

Yeah.

Just give a little wipe over with a Quick Detailer.

Not mine.

Anyone's.

Any Quick Detailer is the difference of,

oh, and yeah.

That's all the matters.

Yeah.

It's all the matters that makes you fall back

in love with your car.

Yeah.

Also, anything to me anyway,

personally, anything that you do to a car,

like, you know, spending three days detailing

it, that makes you then not want to drive it.

It puts me off because I'm like,

what?

It looks amazing.

But I don't want to, I don't even roll a

wheel in case there's a bit of dust on the tire.

It's so doing it quickly and efficiently.

So it's also, it's part of it as the

Instagram generation.

Of course.

Like, I want this to be clean enough that

looks great in a photo.

Yeah.

No one's going to be going over it with a,

with a light bunch of gun notes.

Yeah.

Which brings us on to a, we'll call it the

Forum of the Week.

A question to you.

It's a question we get quite often.

But what is a tip to someone on Instagram?

Instagram on, whatever social media platform

you want, doing not necessarily car stuff,

but just as someone who does it as a job,

what is a tip that you give them?

Broad, broad, just.

Hey, if you're going to do this.

Presenting videos or just social media in general.

Either or someone that is taking it,

let's say not professionally,

but you know what I mean?

Like they are, they're, they're wanting to do

it as more than just a personal page.

They're wanting to gain followers.

Give me a second to think.

Because we get asked this quite a lot.

And it's, I never know, I know what to say for YouTube.

Yeah.

Are I class YouTube and like Instagram and

TikTok as a completely wildly different thing?

Yeah.

They are, to my parents, they're the same thing.

Yeah.

But in reality, the approach is completely different.

Blake, who we spoke to, spoke about on a

couple of podcasts prior, he's the guy who

owns the Mercy Lager that we drove.

He's essentially doing social media full-time now.

He doesn't have a full-time job.

That's what he does.

But he said, I started my car page like three

years ago or something or two years ago.

Well, I think it was one year ago.

The car was eight years.

So a year ago.

And he said, I have no not missed a day.

So that's like his method of doing this.

I'm just going to post every day,

make sure it goes out.

And that's his method for growing.

And it worked.

And it worked.

He said, yeah, in the car pages one year,

and he posts once a day, hasn't stopped.

His fitness one was three years.

It's been going.

He posts twice a day.

He's never missed a day.

Wow.

That's that's big.

I think my my little tip bit would be you

guys predominantly YouTube.

I am predominantly short format.

Yeah.

I think it's really, really important to

understand the platform that you're posting

to because in short format, you need a hook quick.

And that I've only learned that in the last 18 months.

That makes a hell of a difference.

So in YouTube world, that is create the arcs of interest.

Yeah.

I think learn that understand that because if

you do and you execute it, your following

will go up.

There is a reason there is literally a

science to the social media.

And I'm not saying get boring and dig into it

like Mr Beast does, because I think he takes,

well, obviously he takes it to the end of the degree.

That's why he's the biggest YouTube in the world.

But I do think if you want to do short

format, understand the hook,

but don't, but make it your own.

Yeah.

And that's not an easy thing to say and I apologize.

But mine, and I hate to say this,

if I can swear in the first three seconds of

a video, that will do well.

Really?

And I hate that.

I really, really hate that.

But if it seems to catch people off,

they're like, what?

Media is avoiding swearing.

So if you see someone, you're like,

oh, you know what?

This guy's being more natural.

This guy's going to not, it's not a

presenter, if you like, going.

So this is the detailing product.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I would say one of the things you

mentioned on the Rat Dog podcast was the skip

and how that is incredibly interesting.

As people who are in the business and look at

stats all day, that's crazy.

If you explain that quickly.

Of course.

So I used to start all of my videos with a skip.

And it was a spin on, oh my god,

what was the box's name?

Prince Nasing used to wear leopard print boxing shorts.

And he used to walk up to his competitor and

do this little goose step.

And he used to really throw them off.

But he was so famous for it.

When I was trying to sort of get myself

psyched up for a video, I used to walk up to

the camera, goose step, and then start talking.

But I would always cut the goose step and

just start talking.

Yeah.

And then I can't remember who it was,

but then I should leave that in.

Because that's quite funny.

So I did.

And the comment section was,

what was that?

Yeah.

And it really grabbed attention.

The crazy thing is, I think over two years,

probably, people got a little bit numb to the skip.

So they would see the skip and scroll past.

I then dropped the skip and my video views

went through the roof because I was talking

straight away back.

Whereas it used to be skip, take two steps

and then start talking.

And in those steps, it was the difference of

them sticking around and scrolling past.

So it worked, but that's another thing to remember.

Don't stay with one thing because it will get stagnated.

Is that a word?

Yeah, it will feel stagnant.

I don't wanna try to say that.

And I will do a, I will make a video on why

the skip doesn't exist.

The skip doesn't exist because our sales went

through the roof.

And that is it.

I love the fact that people request stuff and

I love the fact that when people come and

quote videos to me, but it can't feel too

samey all the time because then there's

nothing fresh about it, which is quite hard

when you've only got 15 products to talk about.

But yeah, the skip honestly killed viewer retention.

When we was in the middle of COVID,

I think people would have watched any dribble.

But now it's like you really need to grab

their attention quicker.

It'd be interesting to see if I did it again,

would the views go back up because it's been

quite a long time now.

is quite similar to we see a similar thing on YouTube.

Obviously the videos are longer,

but you still have that

very short period of time at the beginning of

a video

before someone goes to get a mad decision.

52:00 Electric Vehicle Video Performance and Engagement

We saw that the moment we said the word

"electric" everyone's got really gone.

And you know what, fair enough,

the audience, if they don't want to watch it,

they don't want to watch it.

But that was a good TDC video and it is

possibly our worst performing one ever.

Yes, pretty much.

And I love that car and I love that car.

And I thought we gave it a good round fair rep.

Yeah, fair and also quite funny,

there was still comments all like,

"How much should I pay you for this?"

We made fun of how hard it was to charge for.

Half the video.

Do you think they would pay it?

Also, it was a rental car, it's on Churro.

You didn't come and pay us and went,

"Yeah, no, guys, we can't give you a car."

So if you could just go rent one off Churro,

that would be good.

It's ridiculous.

To record now, if you just said the

non-internal combustion engine vehicle,

they would-- Enough people would probably get

caught by it.

We were even wondering if we mentioned

electric, I don't know, 30 seconds or 40

seconds earlier, at that point,

did they go, "Ah, well, I'm here now."

Might as well stick around.

The first five seconds, they have that chance to go.

Nothing for me to see here, I'm not sticking

around, I'm gone.

'Cause they were a good amount,

week to be fair, we've said this before,

we don't pay much mind to comments because

they are such a tiny minority.

They are your most active, sorry,

they are your most vocal audience.

But let's

say you get 2000 comments on the 200,000

video, that is 1% to people.

The rest of the people enjoyed it and left.

They might share those, some of those

feelings, but they didn't care enough to comment.

So why listen to that very tiny minority?

But even then, there were like a good amount

of comments that were, "Hey guys,

love the videos, I'm not watching this one

because it's electric.

See you next week."

I love it.

Easy.

I love it.

But you're not fair enough on just being

like, "Yes, no, I'm not."

As long as it wasn't hate,

I do struggle with the proper,

angry hate comments.

You think fella, just scroll.

I think a lot of people don't know this,

but when you're a channel on YouTube,

when someone comments on your video,

you can click their name and you can see all

of the comments they've left on your channel.

So you can see when they've commented before.

And any time we get a comment like that,

which again, we don't read through comments

with Will and I used to work on Facebook and

Facebook was tough.

Facebook in 2015 to 2020, that's where we

were working on Facebook.

That was rough.

If there's a video of you doing something,

you're getting torn into.

You put your face on Facebook.

You're done, God help you.

You are done.

Simply out of interest, what my name's see.

Let me just see.

I'm sure enough, there is a comment on every

single video going, you guys are hacks.

Oh, you're an idiot if you think this.

Right, okay.

And it's always, nine times out of nine,

you click on their comment, they're leaving a

comment every video.

They're just angry people.

Always angry about something.

If they, actually that's really interesting.

If they were 95% positive and they had,

you'd think, oh, that's got a bit of substance.

Exactly.

But if they are just, they just want to hate

for some reason.

There's one thing they're looking for because

you're not providing it.

They want to hate everything.

Yeah.

You're not doing a video on the FitPunto 1.4,

2003, therefore I hate everything you're doing.

And if you do do it, your stuff is out there.

Yeah, find it.

But if you did do a video of what they want,

they go, you've got it all right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You haven't done that justice,

you idiot.

Yeah, social media world is an interesting one.

So you've, you have done a bit of YouTube stuff.

So yeah, I did.

A little wall gun.

We did two main series.

One was called Dingers of Diamond,

where we bought a 1500 quid mini,

which was in Porsche Mint, wide body thing.

We bought it for 1500 quid with the intention

of putting a couple of grand into it,

really going to town on the cleaning and then

we were gonna give it away.

And we spent, I'd say two days per episode

filming and then obviously it went off Reddit.

So I would say a week of time went into the episodes.

It just never did very well.

No, I'd say I didn't understand YouTube and I

was just doing what I thought felt natural.

But I would say average views on that was

like five, 6,000.

And then we did the E46 CSL Destroyer.

That's what we called it in-house.

Where we basically bought it,

put a load of time and attention into it,

making it what we thought was better than a CSL.

And again, lots of time, lots of money,

lots of energy, didn't do very,

very well.

And when you're from a business perspective,

you've got a channel here that you have to

put 1,000 pound in-ish per episode and it

gets you 5,000 views or there's me and a

tripod in a car park and I can get a million

views, which one are you going to put your

time and attention into?

You know what I mean?

And I think also my persona in short format

and real high energy that I can't keep that

up for YouTube because I've only got so much

monster in the day.

Whereas you can keep the energy really,

really high for 60 seconds.

I think people saw a different persona on

short format to YouTube and they were like,

well, that's not the best.

Yeah.

We're not used to that.

So yeah, I've just sort of knocked it on the head really.

I would love to fire it up again,

but the Americans in our world detailing it,

crush it, crush it.

And I was like, that's a tough one to go up against.

I would back myself in short format for

engagement against anyone, whereas YouTube,

I'm small fish and I'm fine with that.

Yeah.

No, I think you would do well on YouTube though.

Thank you.

I think you have, again, you have the likable

personality to go very far on YouTube,

which is what a lot of people don't,

they look at all the YouTube-y stats are

going, okay, I've got this right,

I've got this right, I've got this right,

but then you don't have the person that

hundreds of thousands of people want to follow.

It's not going to work.

I think you would probably, if you stock it

out for a long enough, which is the hardest

part of doing it, I think you'd probably do quite well.

I think also there is one thing that you have

in droves over not only other people in the

UK, but especially the Americans,

is brutal honestly, which is why part of the

reason why we wanted to do on the TDC

podcast, because it's half-lava,

too.

If you're a clown, we'll get the red nose out for you.

Hence the sign on the door over there.

And I sometimes out of bands by order of TDC.

But that is something that you do a lot on your channels.

And the roast videos.

So I will say this here, because you've led

me to it.

That is a YouTube video that I'm going to

shoot week after next.

We got 12 very good friends with extremely modified cars.

I'm

always very gentle, just in case,

because you don't

know who they are.

And God forbid, I've made a mistake

before.

We're a dugout of car, which I shouldn't have done.

The joke was crap as well.

And it was his granddad's car.

And I felt like I felt so bad for saying it.

So now we're playing it very safe.

I know them.

They have said go mad.

Do what you want.

You can have a dig at me.

You can have a dig at the car.

Don't care.

Because I think that sitting down roasting

cars is relatively low budget and will be funny.

Whereas when you're doing, when you're

modifying cars, as you boys,

you're driving here, there and everywhere.

You might have to do four hours for 10

seconds of footage.

Whereas if I could build my subscribers with

just me sat down talking dribble mega,

I'd love that.

I'd love to have a go at that.

But as anyone that sees that,

just know, and I will have to put a

disclaimer, because some of the notes I've

made are like, you can't say that,

and you can if you know them.

Exactly, they all mate.

Yeah.

We said the same, because at Carthrel,

back at Carthrel, they did roast my ride,

which was a thing that was, was it once every

month maybe?

Yeah.

Where it was Alex and the guys would sit down

and get people they would send in cars and

they would do it.

But Will and I always used to say,

I'd love that, because there's so many pieces

of shit out there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You see my car.

Yeah, I've seen it and I wish I'd never seen it.

Yeah.

We always say there's a, to the like,

respect all builds crowd.

It's like, I can respect it.

Yeah.

I can understand why you did it.

I haven't got to like it, but I hate it.

(laughing)

And I really hate this.

I don't know where I sit on that respect all

builds, because half of me is,

like I love all my customers.

But you should also, if I have to respect

your build, maybe you should respect my opinion.

(laughing)

That's exactly what we've always said.

Is that if you're, if you're doing anything

to your car, if you're putting the time in to

do even wash it, you're part of the club.

Yeah.

You're a car person.

Yeah.

I'm shoulder to shoulder you with you on that.

But if you put those horrible stretch tires

on there with weak fitment, I want to call

you a clown.

Yeah.

(laughing)

And in a few years, you're going to look back

at it and go, "Yeah, I was."

I look back on photos of my MX-5,

days, what idiot my 106?

What idiot let me mirror a spanner?

What a clown I was, but you learn over time.

I've got to tell you, funny story.

So driving home from work and I saw this

Vauxhall insignia, not a bad car.

And I'm looking in

the rear view mirror and I'm thinking,

"What is up with that?"

It looked like a standard car,

but there was something going on in the grill

before I couldn't work it out 'cause I'm

bouncing down the road in that.

I'm thinking, he's got blue fog horn,

like the hell of horns, like the Subaru was.

No, not even that, but just,

you know, like where the noise comes from in

a horn that's just behind the grill,

they were blue.

I was like, "Who on earth would paint them blue?"

Whatever.

He then decides to overtake me,

and I think, in fella, this is not the road

to overtake on.

It's a tool, it's a bypass, but it's quite a blind one.

And then as he come up alongside me,

I realized that he had blue window flexors,

blue alloy wheels, blue calipers,

blue interior, and then as it went past me,

it said, "Respect all bills and a fault."

No, 'cause you're a twat.

You are, I'm gonna, I'm sorry,

I could get real potty mouth of it.

On what planet?

You're doing blue accents on a silver,

I just thought, "You are a silver car."

Silver car, silver car.

I put it black in my head.

On what planet?

It was that bruise, it even worse,

but it just hated everything about this car.

And then it said it, "Respect all,"

and I thought, "No, I'm not."

I would not buy you a pint if you come up.

We said it with Tony that a well-built car

has nothing to do with money.

There is enough, there is enough internet and

time, and if you have access to the internet

and you have access to the keys for your car,

you can build something cool with nearly nothing.

We've actually talked, we're gonna do a video

semi soon that's fair either a grand or two grand.

Taking a completely stock car,

I'm building in something that's actually

good, driving and hopefully looking,

but there's a lot of people that don't want

to put the time into that, but they then want

the respect for not putting the time in,

which is that doesn't run.

No, I think there's so much value in,

depending on the car obviously,

20 mil lowering, the bigger the daddy spec of

your car or the next version up.

So several of them are saying you get an A5,

you put the SQ5 wheels on it,

that's it, 20 mil drop, little tinted window,

just, that's lovely, and that's relatively

inexpensive, 'cause presumably you've sold

your wheels for 500 quid, you've bought them

off marketplace for a grand,

lowering springs

and some time, tinted windows.

Cool thing, dumb, just, that'll do,

but some of the contraptions you come with.

Blue wheels, oh, I'm so angry at him.

But yeah, there's this weird,

there's this weird belief that to be,

to be interesting or to be cool,

you have to be different, which is not the

case at all.

There is a way of not necessarily conforming

to the, to the style, but still looking,

having, having your own take on it.

You don't need to put the entire team you

catalogue on to be seen as, oh,

you're killing the game, bro.

Don't, just, witness is why you should bring

that bully in.

Hey, we are.

Have you listened to the CDC podcast?

Too fair, that's, obviously we saw some of

your content to do with the doing that shows.

Yeah.

And obviously you get people that are going

to say, oh, you can't do that.

The show, but that is exactly what we've done.

Like before TVC, every time we go to a show,

you go and see a car that's parked up,

probably with the bonnet up,

with lights all over it.

And it just looks awful.

It's got a lego brick as well.

Yeah.

You, I was going to say, I was going to say

before you say anything more,

we're all thinking of a Focus ST.

Yeah.

We don't need to say it, but we're all

thinking of them up to us today.

Lego brick.

I want to do a ST because five great sound.

You speak relatively inexpensive.

I've never seen one coilovers,

good set of wheels, half cage and bucket seats.

It is, it is exceptionally rare.

Yeah.

Because if you've, I've had two STs,

three STs and two RS's

of the Mark II Gen.

It's made easier to make a Mark II and

RS look good because it's got arches and all that stuff.

And actually the RS people, I think it's

because the value is higher.

Yeah.

So naturally, there are, there are sort of

less people willing to really mess them up.

But God, they still do.

It's the, the Ford thing is,

right, I got a fast forward.

Who tuned it?

It was Revo, it was Mountune,

it was whoever, and they go,

right, I am going to plaster that all up the

side of the car.

Yeah.

It'll be on the green screen for,

it'll be tattooed on my arm.

It'll be absolutely everything.

It's a lifestyle, isn't it?

Yeah, it really got, oh, ball patrol up the

side of it.

There's that and it's, there is,

I cut, there's a crash, man,

the cute one.

Yeah.

I should laugh.

I don't know.

Maybe this person listens to the podcast,

but every time I see that it,

it's not, it's a saddle.

(laughs) Did I vote?

The thing is, I almost like that because it's

almost like a donk in America.

Like, you know, they have the,

you know, the Cheerios.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Up the side.

Like, that's, that's cool, but it is,

it's when it's the child friendly liveries

are not allowed.

The digital, was it the digital camo,

but they're like the claw marks up the side?

Come on now.

No.

I feel like the cogs.

I feel like the cogs.

It feels like a cod lobby.

Yeah.

It's like a game of tag.

It's sort of thing.

It's a bit, 12 year old.

It's a fourser.

Jaguars can have some steak for a second.

If you have a new gen Jaguar with a pounce in

Jaguar, tag it off.

Not allowed anymore.

I don't know what it is.

I think off the market.

Is that P.E.A.A?

Okay.

I think so.

You can't have anything.

On the front.

You can't have anything protruding.

The growler?

The growler?

The growler?

What's your color?

It's got a name.

A leaper.

A leaper.

I like growler.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think because the Statue of it's.

Okay.

The spirit of experience.

Thank you.

itself down.

Yeah.

That's why it's safe.

Yeah.

Whereas now I don't think you're allowed to

have anything protruding bodywork.

Oh, interesting.

So that was obviously a time in of old XJ.

I want to say the 90s where that wasn't a thing.

And now it is a thing.

So if you put one of these on a new gen

Jaguar, take it off.

I think it should be inserted into it.

Oh, look at it.

Oh, I'm so pants.

Nice.

But anyway, you know, I agree on that.

That's that's that's a no go.

We might have to do a joint roast at some

point, but I'll do like that.

Oh, 40 flakes.

40 flakes.

But some, I'm going to double down now.

Neon's a cold.

Yeah.

Give me some.

I love it.

Well, we were talking because you found the

isomy video on the Mercilago.

Yes.

And he has, it's not really Neon's,

but he's got LEDs and bits all over it.

That is a no go.

But if you do, if you commit to the full bit

with the full Neon's also, it's 2025.

There's now the LED like the ones that flow

from color to color.

Those are cool.

12 by 1 Neon.

Let's go.

Yeah, I love it.

Car throttle.

We did a, it was literally a copy of Monkey

London's video, but we'd already filmed it.

Just, we filmed the video picking Christmas

lights on the car.

And then the day after we'd filmed it,

Monkey London put his video out of putting

the Christmas lights on the car.

We were like, God damn it, we've just done this.

We have to put the video out anyway.

But we put, I put Neon's on the MX-5 and I

was like, I like this.

I like it.

I think there's, again, it's that thing where

you can overdo it.

Yeah.

Where it's, there are lights everywhere that

this, the video, there's a video of a

Mercilago again, but it's got LEDs everywhere.

You put the door up, there's LEDs.

There's any other shot.

It's when people highlight things that don't

need to be highlighted.

Like there are two fans at the back of a

Mercilago that are covered by a mesh grill

for a reason.

No one wants to look at the back of a plastic fan.

And in this car, it's lit up green and you

can just see a fan.

It's like, you know, it's not like it's your

amazing exhaust manifold or something.

It's like, I'll look at my fans,

intercooler

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lights.

Where, intercooler, I always want those.

Depends on your intercooler.

I said this to Will.

This is back when we were at CarPlay.

After all that, I was making memes and memes

were funnier is that I wanted to do,

I wanted to paint my intercooler black on my

next five and then use glow in the dark paint

to paint the word suck on it because that was funny.

And then have a black light in front of it.

So I could turn it on and only at night,

it would just glow the word up.

But I thought that would be funny.

And then I remember thinking about that like

six months ago and just going,

what's wrong

with you?

Yeah.

Yeah, the police are there.

So I'm forcing that shit.

Yeah.

It's like that.

Birds are a lollipop in the Astro.

Yeah.

Fords are real guilty of that.

I have some chrome wheels.

You know what, car to car.

I love them.

And there is any 46 M3 on Chrome 18 rays all

round that I adore.

And I would still love to do it.

I think it's location based.

Yeah.

I think it's bad.

Americans here, I think you are it's,

it's not right.

You might get away with it depending on who

you are, where you are, the weather,

the setting.

We saw that SL, the Brabas SLR.

Incredible.

On some chrome Brabas wheels.

Think blue control.

And it's that was that without car.

See, I think I know the SL you're talking about actually.

I think it's fitment dependent.

Yes.

And you got it right.

Yeah.

I'd say the UK equivalent is ceramic polished.

This is close.

Yeah.

Really.

I think if you've got the fitment to back it,

I'm like, yeah.

but if it's standard ride height with some

chunky side profiles.

That's it.

That car.

Look at that.

You can't tell me that's not good for chrome wheels.

Horny.

If you could get away with, basically if the

wheel would look good in

any silver or a matte on a silver.

Yeah, then it's okay.

You could probably get away with the chrome.

But again, yeah, for me, I don't know what it is.

I think it might be a weather thing for me.

Yeah.

I feel like you need chrome wheels in a

climate where it's just sunny all the time.

Yeah.

That photo that we just put up was in California.

Yeah, but it's a slough.

It's not a game.

If Fostman is trying to, you know,

clean it, the wall's cool, but it's not great.

Yeah.

I'd only have them as well if I had carbon

ceramic brakes because you, so a good sponsor

of mine, Norm, he had polished,

I can't remember what wheels they were now,

what wheels I believe.

And every day he had to clean the wheels.

Yeah.

Like that's getting old quick.

Yeah.

That's getting old.

Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't do that because

I'm bad about car washing cars anyway.

Yeah.

So I would, it would get two weeks in and

they'd look across there and go,

well, that's what they look like forever now.

Wheels is my worst thing actually in cleaning a car.

Well, what the number one thing is trying to

do it regularly enough.

That's why I like something that is quick,

but wheels.

I love, I love the way wheels look,

but it's the love wheels.

I'm not the one to, I'm not taking the wheel off.

I ain't taking it off and doing the inside

and doing all this stuff.

I probably should, but I can't do that.

I want to throw a wheel cleaner at it.

Yeah.

That's a wheel.

You were, Will was the first person to teach

me about like acidic wheel and like a

bleeding wheel cleaner.

And I remember that my day, my life was changed.

I was thinking, hold on, 'cause I was using

fairy liquid in a bucket until then.

I'll admit that.

I remember Will sharing to me.

And I was like, you don't even need to touch them.

You just spray it and spray it with water.

Incredible.

Best product in the world.

I love a wheel cleaner.

A good one.

Also, maybe it's the same for you.

I now like the smell.

Oh no.

The smell, 'cause it now feels to me like

things are happening and progress is happening.

I'm like, okay, cool.

If I spray one and it doesn't smell,

I'm like, man, gonna work.

Yeah.

But where is my girlfriend?

We'll go like, I was like, smell and like run off.

I'm like,

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no, we're just cleaning wheels.

Smells like clean wheels.

Smells like shine.

You obviously mentioned that when you said

about carbon fiber being good for like social

media, I was gonna ask a question about like,

what would be your non social media build?

Do you mind talking about that or do you?

So one thing that I learned earlier on in the

brand was when I joined the brand,

I had the one two trophy and I was nearing

30, very, very overweight.

And it was a personal decision to go,

I don't want to be in this car anymore.

And obviously kids, Clio's, so I bought a,

it was a core project in my mind.

I bought the X358, XJ, 2.7 diesel,

gangster, rear screens, 20 inch BBS factory

wheels, all blacked out everything.

And I thought, I bought it cheap like 2,800

pound high mileage, but the engine was strong

with the intention of, look at that,

we've talked about them multiple times today,

oh great.

Yes, love it.

With the intention of, the paint was dog,

the interior was hanging, I thought there's

detailing content to have out of this,

we can muck about with the factory air ride,

we can pull the fitment out a little bit,

that's a core gangster whip,

no one cares, nobody cares about XJs on the internet.

So the one I've got now is purely for me,

because I've got social media friendly cars,

but that, times, you either get them or you

don't, you've either driven one or you

haven't, that is the answer.

It's the best thing for five grand ever,

apart from Clio 1.8 too.

Of course.

And it missed, I missed by a mile on social

media, you just watched the engagement,

no one cared, no one cared, no one cared,

got the 46th bang through the roof.

So I think, everyone I see one of these on

the road, I'm reminded how good looking that is.

That's the following generation,

which is probably a better one,

that's what I've got now, not as good.

It's pretty, nowhere near, much better car,

don't I say.

But just as you say, the road presence,

that can rival a Rolls-Royce.

And it's a fraction.

It's a special one, I see, the X308 is the

previous gen, right?

Yes, the X308 is the firm numbers.

A 308 XTR from the front is one of the most

intimidating things.

But one of these from the rear,

the way they sit on the road is so good.

Love a crack, Taloy.

Love.

But only 1.7 ton.

To the best of my knowledge.

As they're all aluminium.

Great on fuel.

Could you fit those XK on wheels?

Yeah, the BBS Parisis.

The Parisis, you probably could put Parisis

on a note.

So we've got the XFR, which you saw out there.

That's a more like Ford.

There is it, a bit harder.

Yeah, but also like the wheels,

they don't have the same fitment,

the bolt pattern is different basically to

the older jags.

First thing I thought of with that jag was I

want the, on the XKRs at these BBS Paris five

smoke wheels split, they look,

I love them.

Yeah, 'cause they're huge, they're like a 10

j, 10 and a half jag to rear.

Pull them up.

This is basically, you're getting a small

insight to what this entire unit is all day.

Can you get Paris wheels on the XKRs?

Yeah, watch this, look at this.

But we researched it and obviously found out

different bolt pattern, which is not the end

of the world.

Different PCDs.

Right, not really gonna work properly,

but Edwin did a render, which I don't think

we have anymore.

I don't think, if I do a will overlay of a

render like a facelift XFR and on.

Yeah, it looked mental.

If I was a billionaire, possibly the first

thing I do is get that belt.

(laughs) It's Jaguar, I need to commission your car.

Forget the Mercilago, let's get an XFR in

here and some custom BBS Paris wheels.

Yeah, rims car made to make,

come on, let's go.

I think Jags, it's the, with Jags,

you either like them, like we've just spoken

about them, or you think it's an old man car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I think the majority are still in the,

they see that and go from car or 85 year old

man drives it.

I think, I don't know what age you chaps are.

I remember Jag, who was from Locks Dock,

who was making barrels.

And that's much.

Being gangster.

Yeah.

Whereas the generation beneath,

didn't watch those films.

No.

And they just see old men driving them,

pretending they're gangsters.

And he's like, oh, I get it,

I really get it from your perspective.

I just think they're so cool.

And now, 'cause of the Euro 16.

Dirty cheap.

Yeah, dirty cheap.

And Bentayga, sorry, not Bentayga,

oh my God, not Bentayga.

Continental, a crap one, 12 grand.

Yeah.

It's not comfortable.

And I would argue that people would take that

more seriously.

'Cause if you pull up in a continent,

you look like something that you shouldn't be doing.

Yeah.

You see the jag, people are like,

oh, it's got a jag.

Yeah.

That's half the price of that.

Bentley over there.

Yeah.

It's just better.

What a sophisticated gentleman.

He's driving.

On those Paris wheels too, very nice.

They shouldn't be on that one.

Tell me, Chad, what PCD you're running?

Do they do long wheelbase ones?

I think all of the R's are long wheelbase.

I love seeing any car that has a long wheelbase.

Yes.

I don't need that, but I want that.

Supercharged long wheelbase.

I think you can get on the only on the V8s.

I can get big boys.

That's the only thing I would say,

well, from an economy point of view,

probably a diesel's

better, but give me a V8 one of those.

This is the

problem that I'm having with the ground.

The problem that I've got with the XJ I've

bought is it's a three liter V6 petrol supercharged.

Yeah.

And it's not slow, but it's not quick,

and it's not very good on fuel.

So my argument is I either have the diesel

for maximum, I don't need to go to the petrol

station for weeks, or have the big boys

supercharged V8 one.

Yeah.

'Cause I'm either going fast,

or I want it to be good on fuel.

That V6 one that I've got, it's just a bit

nothingness in the middle, and I think I'm

wrong, it's better on fueling the M2,

but I still have to go to the fuel station

twice a week, whereas I have to go three

times a week in the M2.

I want to go once a week.

Yeah.

Because I'm not using that thing for speed.

Yeah, that's, that is the one that I've got,

I believe.

Not that one, I would say.

Yeah, but the same shape like that.

The three five on.

Yeah, but I think it got facelifted the year

after, and the prices are still quite strong on them.

I also said, I don't tell Rory,

nobody tell Rory I said this because he owns

one, but I do find them, I think they're

really attractive cars.

I think they are good like this.

Yeah, that, Jen.

I just think they're, it's mainly when I see

one in the series, 'cause in series they

still put Prime Ministers and whatever's in

them, every time I see them on screen,

I'm like, I'm like that.

Jen was born and used it in the,

I think it was, kind of wish.

I think Skyfall had it.

Skyfall, thank you very much.

When the train comes through the ceiling and

then they get in one and they twat a curb,

because it power slides out and somehow it