Building Gordon Murray's Car, Restomod Builds and First Cars - C.R.E.A.M. #56 Ft @retropowercars
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Transcript
- Edwin
- Will
0:00 Introduction and Welcome
So your first car, you engine swapped?
Yes.
So that's a good indication of things to come in.
I just want to turn up to a light,
someone go, "Oh boy, stop the old doing the Bentley."
And then just...
We just thought some man named Gordon Murray
was going to say that he knows he was going
to be here.
We're here.
What would you like from this car?
I don't want to survive it.
Cool.
That's not fair.
It
certainly won't be slow.
Hello, and welcome back to the 50s 6th Cars
Rule Everything Around Me podcast with
William, to my right, myself Edwin,
and then Nat and Callum from Retro Power Cars.
Actually, if you're a viewer,
you can see that we're not in our workshop.
They have very kindly lent us their podcast
set at the den because we've been having a
tour of Retro Power today and we've been nerding out.
Oh, yeah, it's been great.
But we kind of came to you guys with the
intent and purpose of having you on the
podcast because we thought you guys would be
very interesting guests.
For those of you that don't know if you're
listening, you've never heard of Retro Power
before, I'm going to say something that maybe
you'll take offense to, I don't know.
But the way I've always described it is that
you are singer-resto mods for any car on
earth that you want.
Is that fair to say or is that a dirty word?
No, I'll take that.
I've said that to a lot of people in the
past, but then a lot of people have said to
me, you're kind of doing yourself a
disservice, but they're using them as the benchmark.
But I think they're absolutely amazing.
very massively, but it's a pretty good benchmark.
To me, it's not bad.
Yeah, it's the singer-ard, the most
accessible thing that everyone knows when you
say the one-resto mods,
you associate it with that.
But the cars that you guys
build are absolutely next level.
And we've both been huge
fans.
I will get into it a little bit later in the
podcast,
but I even tried to apply for a job.
Well, I used to watch
your website every day for jobs to leave car
throw, not a
joke.
Into any of that, though, we always ask the
question, whether cars rule or ruin
everything around us this week.
Will, as a flater for the guest,
do you want to start?
I was going to go with the rule because
there's no major reason, but I am actually
going to say ruin.
The CL500 that I just recently bought has
been going great.
I'm like 15, 1600 miles deep in that car.
All wonderful.
But I'm still driving in silence.
I have the amplifier has failed.
I sent it off to get fixed.
The people that fixed them said,
"Yeah, no, that's knackered.
We can't fix that."
So I looked for another amplifier and then
900 pounds for a used one.
And I could fit that.
And that could be knackered.
And I'd be in the same spot.
There's not really a proper solution yet.
So I'm talking to a few people about dealing with that.
So I'm searching for breaking cars.
It's a very small ruin.
But yeah, the silence, it does become
definitely after a while.
I've done many hours of silence.
I was about to say, you did a two hour
journey up here today, right?
Yes.
On phone music?
No, this was silence.
And the odd ways.
That was it.
So just silence.
And either that, we're about you this week.
Definitely, there's a bit
3:09 Rule or Ruin: Edwin's Daily EV Car Troubles
of ruin going on us.
A little bit of ruin again.
There's two fold ruin.
One is, we've got an L3, me and my wife have
an L3, 22 rained ruin.
So that's always ruined.
That's an ongoing, like, flat line of ruin.
But then also, just at the point,
I thought, fabrication's nearly done on my autogast car.
Yeah, they changed the rules.
I've got to change the load of the tube frame now.
So, yeah.
That's like, classically, what's killed lots
of homologation cars in the past,
right?
It's building a car going, we're ready.
Oh, dear.
We've got to change that.
We have to change all of it.
So a little bit of ruin and then come on.
It's a roller coaster.
And I think, well, this is basically the
whole point of this ups and down with car thing.
But we get it literally on a daily basis.
There's highs and lows.
I think at the minute, the ones that are
clearing my mind are yesterday was a massive
high because an engine that we've been
involved with developing was on the dyno for
the first time yesterday.
And we were all slightly clenched that it
might not go to panic with a broom.
At the first time, it's not at all.
That is a completely scratch design block,
everything.
The whole lot is for one off design.
And it went so far flawlessly and made an
immense amount of power.
So that was a massive high.
I'm going to go with the negative this week
being my daily car.
And shame is going to be poured upon me here.
I do drive an EV as my daily car.
I have a VW ID7.
And for whatever reasons, since I got my new
car, that's it.
I just, that's it.
Since I got a new phone like a couple of
weeks ago, my Apple car, my Google
car, whatever it is, Android Auto,
that's it.
It's just flatly refusing to do what I want
it to do.
Oh, you're with Will.
It's just like noise.
No, your voice control, perfect.
You press the thing, it says it makes a
noise, you ask for what you want.
It works.
Since we got my new phone, constant
irritation with it.
Half the time, press the button and then it
bongs again immediately
afterwards, resets as if you've not said anything.
No, this
is not what you expected me to talk about.
No, this is not
what you expected me to talk about.
No, this is not what I
expected me to talk about.
It's not working optimally.
Turn it off and back on again.
Yeah, that's fine.
Or possibly just set fire to the movie.
For me, it's a rule because we have just
started our next
series, which is, you'll see in the coming
weeks, but it is Will and I buying back our
first cars, not exact first cars
unfortunately, they're both scrapped.
So we went out and bought identical versions
of, we'll actually get on to your guys' first
cars soon, but Will, what was yours?
1.25 fiesta style, 1.6.
A recent back position.
We bought it in the week.
Oh, god.
It was, it also was a great bike experience
because it, you went in with an offer.
Do you want to explain the offer?
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think things like the CL500 and Glada
skewed my view of the
6:18 First Cars and Offer Negotiations
value of parts on things.
So it's fiesta.
It's been a long time since I've had a fiesta.
It was up for Β£39,000.
It was a little bit rough.
When it looked at it, it was,
it was rough.
And the guy came out.
I mean, it wasn't.
the best sales experience, I'll be honest.
And the guy came out, gave me the key and walked off.
He went so there, so I'm like,
"Please take it away."
And then he, but then his part of the message
was it needs a start to merge or something.
And then just walks off and I was like,
"What do you, what do you mean?"
But then we started it.
Fine.
Yeah.
Drove around this little car park,
fine, turned it off, turned it off,
turned it off, turned it off,
turned it off, turned it on.
I was like, okay, start to motor is start to motoring.
So I don't know what's going on here.
But I have an MOT that was up in like six or
seven days or something.
So we offered nine hundred quid.
Yeah.
And, but said, like, we don't,
you don't need to deal with those things.
We'll deal with them.
And then I thought, well, actually,
I don't want to deal with those things.
I just want to modify it as my first car.
Yeah.
So I offered them 12 hundred pounds.
But I don't know whether 300 extra pounds
came from, but the starter motor and an MOT.
But nonetheless, yes to Mark six.
Yes to Mark six.
No, I've got only car, I've listened to music
in the last month.
And then I've got a Mark Paul Golf 1.6 16 valve.
So you know that bad boy's going on Porsche wheels.
You know, he's got Cayenne brakes coming.
I'm going stance boy like I was when I was 17.
But more than that, it's a rule,
but also a rule.
We have to add a little aside for an apology.
Thrax did and it's very nice to us.
You've heard us go there multiple times,
but we, for the end of the video,
it's quite funny.
We went on a track day.
We got black flags.
Well, I've got black flags and kicked off the track.
Sorry, Thrax.
It wasn't for noise either.
It wasn't for noise.
It was because we were being pracked.
Because we kind of, look, when you're 17,
you act.
like a prick in a car.
And something about being back in your first
car, we were being pricked again.
So it wasn't anything too bad.
They just said you're getting a bit hot under the collar.
Fortunately, we were in very slow cars,
which was part of the issue,
actually.
And overtaking is when 70 horsepower is
trying to overtake 100 horsepower,
it doesn't happen at pace.
No, no.
It's a drawn out.
If by the time you're overtaking,
the next quarter's coming up and you have to
concede the space again, the next lap or not.
Yeah.
So that's what they thought.
So yeah, we said, we were very sorry,
but it was quite fun.
And luckily there was no one else on track.
Yeah.
It was like we'd rented the place.
It was also mainly because I was going to be
my other little part of ruin because I went
in at 8 a.m.
to pick the car up.
We both turned up to go to Throxdon.
Ready, Ben was there for nine,
ready to be there at the track,
930 a.m.
And I noticed a pile of coolant underneath
the Volkswagen Golf, because it has Volkswagen patch.
That's the reason why.
And it needed a radio.
It's trying to become air cool.
So I'm pretty sure my ID7 could even manage
to have a coolant under it.
So I had to do a radiator at 8 in the
morning, run to your car parts,
get a radiator to get the fact that the
Markville Golf requires the entire front end
to be taken off to do a radiator,
which is fun.
Did it, stressed and made it in the end.
So it's a rule for that reason.
It's just like being back with a first car though,
again.
To be honest, that is the experience.
I don't need to get somewhere and it's in bits.
Somehow I have less experience
9:25 Retro Power Cars Introduction
than when I was 17.
I don't know.
But yes, so that's all Rules and Ruin for the week.
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So your passion is not only modifying cars,
restoring them to use the very 20/20,
it's probably 2016 word of restomod.
Where did that start with?
What were your first cars?
What was your start in the business?
Well, that's much older than me.
Start with us, start with the business.
I mean, the start with us was sort of,
to be honest, it's not really cars.
It's more just anything mechanical with
anything with engines for me.
I'm kind of engineering background,
anything with an engine, anything with
wheels, I've always just messed about with it really.
And I grew up around farms, not on a farm,
but might as well have been,
messed about with tractors and trailers and
stuff since I was sort of seven or eight or something.
And that sort of thing, just growing up in
that environment meant I'd always messed
around with things.
And we drove cars around to fit my parents
had a bit of a small holding in the middle of nowhere.
And we drove cars around the field,
that their little field at the back and that
sort of thing and sort of, you know,
all that sort of stuff.
Sickle single digit age or just getting in double digits?
Probably just into double digits,
I think by that point.
Yeah, that sort of thing.
And I'm working at the farm.
I kind of, I remember one of my early
motoring experiences.
I'd have been early teens, I think,
Peugeot 504 pick up round a stubble field,
so I'd like that sort of thing.
So yeah, that sort of growing up,
that sort of experience probably had a few influences.
First car?
First car.
I like to say second car more,
'cause it's more interesting.
The first car was a VW Polo,
which I own for a very, very,
it was a saloon, a classic saloon.
Right.
Yeah.
It probably would be really cool there.
It could really cool now, if I hadn't totaled
it within a couple of months of having it.
So that, I was, yeah, I was 18 and I ended up
ending up ending on fire.
That's the best way for any first car to end.
And then I bought an Apple Manta,
because I decided that I only did a proper
car that drove the correct wheels and,
I got a Manta and had that for a while,
actually, and that was good fun.
And then my first modified car was,
which would have been, you know,
'96, got a newer Manta, an exclusive,
so it was an 88.
So it was eight years old and already needed
welding everywhere, which is just crazy.
And then I put a 16 valve on throttle bodies in that.
So was the basis, were you a voxel man?
Were you a voxel man?
Opal, kind of.
Yeah.
Just, it kind of graduated to that,
'cause I like Mantis.
Okay.
And so between us, we've had many opal.
I was thinking, I don't know how many,
but lots.
Well, I was gonna say, I mean,
Mantis are like the basis of retro power,
where you guys kind of began.
Yeah.
Was yours also a manta at the beginning?
No, my first car was a Sierra,
which sounds like...
It seems an odd first car choice,
but yeah, that is odd.
Impressed the young ladies with a massive family salute.
So fighting within the family,
Ford versus Voxel/Oto, that's...
Yeah, yeah.
I remember what it was though.
Yeah, we were driving side, yeah,
Sierra, it was a 1990, I think,
'92 or '93 Sierra.
Sierra as zero, when they were doing...
The Mondeo was due only day soon,
and so they were arting up the crap old sea,
base model sea areas with fancy names and
spoilers, even though it had a 1600 pinto in
it, which is like the worst engine you could
possibly have.
Well, there were maybe a 1300 pinto,
like in the early ones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I had that, and then we put a...
Well, I bought a two liter pinto off.
Was it?
Filling mixed squares.
Filling mixed squares.
Filling mixed squares.
Got any competition equipment,
that was it.
And then as he was putting it in the boot,
I lifted the cam cover off, which was loose.
And it was like, "Oh, oh no,
that one's had like different cam "putting it and stuff."
And I was like, "No, two like now."
(laughs) It was on double battery.
Yeah, we had like a Weber 38 D gas car,
but that's really a good prey on it.
So your first car, you engine swapped?
Yes.
So okay, so that's a good indication of
things to come in.
(laughs) 'Cause that is, so in your own
words, how would you, in a sentence or two,
describe retro power without my shoddy
magazine title, you know, tagline?
There's two ways to describe it.
There's the down to earth way that I see
retro power, which is a load of guys messing
around with cars in a shed, which is
ultimately what it is.
And we've always been keen not to put an
overly corporate polished facade on things,
'cause there are so many companies out there
that do that, but there's no substance behind it.
And we wanna be the other way around,
like have the substance, perhaps not polished
corporate facade.
If I was being all marketing minded,
I would say we basically build bespoke cars
for people where off the peg is not good
enough, and those clients come from all
around the world.
Yeah.
I mean, just from some of the stuff we've
seen today, not only 'cause I've followed you
guys for a long time, but even I wasn't
aware, and I'm sure you weren't aware,
some of the lengths that you go to from
literally building entire bodies from the
ground up and entire engine blocks from the
ground up, as opposed to even buying
something and then fashioning it how you want
it to, you're bypassing that and creating it
from scratch, is that fair to say?
Yeah, and it's this eternal striving to
exactly match the car to what that
client wants, from the way it feels,
the way it feels, the
performance, the way it looks,
every detail of it.
And when you get to a certain point,
you're just like, well, actually,
I know exactly what this guy wants,
and none of the things I can buy off the
shelf are gonna do that.
We'll always look at it and go,
that was a compromise because we couldn't--
Yeah.
And we're very grateful that we've got to
this point where these people are coming to
us with the budgets and the trust to say,
just build it the best you can build it,
which is amazing.
It's a position we never envisage from the start.
There was never a plan to be where we are now
from the start.
At the start, we were just like,
we like messing around with cars,
should we rent a shed and mess around with
cars in a shed?
And this should be the figure and we couldn't
build enough.
We couldn't do enough, so we started getting
other people to help us and taking on more
people, and then we wanted to build more.
So we were surrounded ourselves with a team
of people who were like us, basically,
just love messing around with cars.
That's it.
And for those that don't know of you or don't
know of a car that you've built,
what is a halo car that
16:43 Gordon Murray's Escort Project
you would explain to someone as this is a
retro power car?
There's a few.
I mean, I think every time we achieve what we
see as the halo car, then it resets the benchmark.
So then the next thing was driving after the
next halo car.
The one that I think a lot of people discover
after we built and that a lot of the guys,
probably myself and that included would
consider to be the sort of pivotal moment
from the reference point.
The reference point, the pivotal moment in
retro power's history was when Gordon Murray
approached us.
So Gordon Murray, for those who don't know,
was the chief designer at McLaren.
For the F1 team, he went on to design or be
heavily involved with the design of the McLaren F1.
And now, of course, as his own company,
Gordon Murray, Murray design and Gordon
Murray automotive and these amazing supercars
like the T50.
So he approached us to build what was
essentially going to be a regular use car for
him, a regular loose road car,
which was he wanted to go to work and back in
it, which was a modified Martin Escort.
And that's also where we kind of properly
went on to YouTube because we always wanted
to do some kind of visual show that showed
the detail involved with building a car
rather than just glossing over the details.
And we thought that it's Gordon Murray.
It's a Martin Escort.
The audience for that combination is going to
be enormous.
We don't do this on YouTube.
We're never going to do it.
So if we backpedal slightly on that,
when you were saying about wanting to show
the detail, that's on a background of up
until that point, much less so recently,
but up until that point, we had quite a lot
of approaches from TV production companies
saying, "Oh, we want to do a series.
And can we, and approaching it as basically
about doing re-hashes of wheelies?"
really dealers, almost continuously.
And we basically said, "We don't want to be
involved with any of those things because
they just don't show the real world."
And then that got really as thinking,
"Well, actually, we want to do our own YouTube channel.
Then we can just show how it really is."
And that gave us the opportunity to do that car.
And then we pushed things really hard doing that car.
There was another background too,
which was that we tried to have a financial
discussion with Gordon on that car,
and he wouldn't entertain a discussion.
He just refused to discuss money.
He said, "You must have an idea of really
what you want to spend on the car."
And he just said, "No, doesn't matter.
Just want it right."
I mean, that's ideal.
I mean, that's great.
It is.
But it's actually quite difficult.
Because then there's never an excuse of,
"Well, we only had the budget to do this."
Yeah.
So where do you look at it?
It's the plantation, yeah.
So how well do we do a live axle?
Well, it seems a bit silly to put leaf
springs and a live axle on a car that's where
there's no budgetary constraints.
So what were we actually trying to do with the car?
What's actually for?
And then we're doing a wiring loom,
but we're not going to put an old fuse box
bought from the motor factors in it,
are we?
I was going to say, the man who famously,
his biggest gripe on potentially one of the
most perfect cars on Earth is that there was
a bracket mounted to a bracket.
He's not going to overlook anything.
So he's not going to go, "That'll be fine."
Yeah.
At the same time, really easy,
really nice guy to work with,
really straightforward to work with,
absolutely brilliant customer.
You couldn't get a better person to work
with, because he knew the background of what
you were doing.
It was easy to explain.
Same things to him, because obviously he
understood most of it anyway,
and he would understand the reasoning for
things immediately as well.
So it was, but equally, you would never do
not attempt to pull the wool over that man's
eyes on anything.
Fortunately, we're very transparent with everything.
So that would mean goodness me,
that wouldn't work well.
It's amazing that he came to you because of
this downstairs, but that you didn't have to pursue him.
There'll be a lot of companies that will want
to go out and get those clients by saying,
"Look at what we do, look at what we do."
was it an email or something that came through?
Just a phone call from somebody who worked
for him and they had prank called.
We just thought some man named Gordon Murray
was going to be here.
He looks a lot like Gordon Murray.
That was
definitely a pivotal moment.
As I explained when
we were chatting earlier, there was an upward
curve already there in terms of the level of
ambition of the project.
So as more people call kind of entrusted us
with more ambitious projects.
But then that curve suddenly had a kink in
it, which zoomed it up very steeply.
Cool thing with that is he actually,
because he does use it as a regularly used
car, because we registered that as a new car.
We can do the MOT check on it each year and
you can see the Marty's going on.
So that was as in like the 2019 registered that car.
Although it's had a historic plate but then
put on it, but it's actually a 2019.
So do you have to then jump through all of
the legal type of fruit.
It's not even though we had to IVA and put it
through the type of fruit.
So is that what is that registered as?
A retro power twin cam.
Oh, that's cool.
That's really cool.
Manufacturers retro power and the models twin cam.
And do you know how many miles he's got on
it by now?
I don't know now, but I know it's a
reasonable,
it's a good few thousand.
So he is using it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That I think is that's something that I.
We fairly
regularly get get photos and emails from
people that have
seen it.
is it's a blessing and a curse at the same
time is that the people that start doing them
are the people most passionate about the car.
They're the person willing to put the time
and all the money into getting it built
because they love the car and they want it to work.
But then it becomes a little bit trendy.
And then you see the singers where they are,
they're bought and then they immediately go
up sale or they immediately go into a garage.
That wasn't the whole point.
The point was to perfect the car.
And that's the benefit of doing one off.
Exactly.
What we do is that you're only building one
and that person has got to be passionate
about it because they're never going sell it.
Yeah.
Is there car?
Yeah.
So I've got I've got some questions we've got.
What is the either either view the favorite
car each of you have built so far at Retro Pal?
Not first.
It's a tricky one now because it's a bit of a.
I still do really like the blue Alfa that we built.
It's not the most perfected,
the most refined car we've ever built,
but I do love the combination of the
sledgehammer and
23:00 Favorite Retro Power Cars
under the bonnet, but the beautiful,
the pretty body.
Yeah.
It's the pretty body with a massive stick
that it hits you with.
Yeah.
And that's that's that.
Probably the most me sort of car that we've
that we've built.
I think over the one my favorite would
probably be Gordon's Escort just for the
whole experience of doing.
Yeah.
But I but I kind of my my favorite as in the
one that wins my heart the most I think is
still the alpha probably.
Yeah.
So for those of you that don't know back in
we think it was 2016.
Yeah, I think so.
I was working at Car Throttle will we were
working together and I had been following
some years a company called Retro Power and I
begged and pleaded our manager Jake to please
organize a filming day where we could come
down and film anything.
I didn't care what we were doing.
I just wanted to come and have a look and we
ended up filming the blue Retro Power Alpha
Junior, which is also one of my favorite cars on earth.
It has the Millington Diamond Engineer,
which is a 2.7.
Yeah.
making nearly 300 horsepower.
Just silly amount of power, but then the
interior with the, you using propositions at
that time, right?
The Recaro, yes.
Just have a look online.
We'll put some photos on the overlay right
now, but it is beautiful.
And the reason that we came back here as
well, because I knew you guys,
and then Callum, what's yours?
It's really difficult because it's a bit like
asking the question of what is your favorite
car all stopped to anyone.
They kind of, car has a job it has to do.
And we're designing the car to fulfill that
specific role.
So having an overall favorite is quite hard
because it depends on what I'm doing with it.
So like that gray Jage XJ coupe,
we built, it looks stunning.
It's amazing to cruise in.
If I was going to use any of the cars we've
built as a daily drive, I think that would
probably be the one.
But then the Land Cruiser that we've built,
which you've probably seen, it does.
It's just, I love it because I love the
simplicity of it.
It's not like, it doesn't shout modified car
at all in any way whatsoever.
Yeah, almost every part of it is bespoke and machined.
And you know, it's the detail on it,
I love.
But then like driving the Escorts that we've
built, Murray's probably even more project
one, which we finished more recently because
it had a BD in it.
And I always felt the Duratec was just that
they, there was like 10% missing on the
Duratec I felt in terms of the noise and the
aggression from it.
But it was an amazing car to drive.
I felt project one was a little bit more
aggressive and a little bit just satisfied
that for a country lane thrash,
when you want to just hammer it down some
country lanes, incredibly so stable because
it was independent as well.
So yeah, it really, unlike the Allegro,
which I've not driven yet, I'm imagining how
the driving experience is going to
be because I'm expecting it'll be like a DC
two type R.
So
I think that is the most well rounded,
complete package.
I'd say this because it's not like any of the
cars we're building are incomplete,
but I just feel on that one.
It's such a usable car.
It's still got the split folding rear seats.
It's got a usable boot.
It's like 200 horsepower, but it's going to
feel like a Honda to drive with the same
level of sort of refinement,
NBA.
It's going to be light.
It sort of ticks almost everybody.
If you were trying to pick your favorite car,
if you could only have one car forever,
it would have to sort of do all of those
things reasonably well.
And I think that's probably the car we've
built that is going to do everything pretty darned well.
So for those of you that don't know,
that is an Austin Allegro, which if you're
not from the UK, is a bit of a joke car.
It's kind of seen as a, I don't even know
what the right word is, but they're the butt
of the joke.
It's synonymous with the worst of the British
motor industry.
Exactly.
And yet you've turned it into one of the
coolest looking, but also a functionally very
well-driving car that's basically grafted
with a type heart, which is ridiculous.
I'm proud, probably, again, let's get it
driving, but I think, yeah, as an overall
thing, I'm probably the most proud of that as
an all-round product of anything we've done.
It's the closest we've come to an
off-the-pegg
OEM car in terms of fit and finish.
And in general, it's obviously helped
drastically by using a lot of Honda.
And all of the bits, all of the slightly
subtle of, we think this should work.
We've done a few checks, everything stacks
up, but you never quite know till you come to do it.
But all of the things stacked up perfectly
and really well, and everything fell into
place as we'd hoped it would.
And it was one of those ones where the boxes
all just ticked nicely as we built it and
everything just worked right.
Yeah.
So the idea with that was that you'd take the
worst possible car and make it into the best
possible car.
Do you get that often with client,
with like customers or is it often?
So I was gonna ask if there is a general
client that's like the normally this type of car.
In the cars we've seen, they're so varied.
Yeah, they're hugely wide ranging.
And that's one of the things I most enjoy.
Now my role has transitioned away from being,
obviously, we used to be hands on,
it was just not an idea to start with.
So literally we did all the work.
Now I do almost none of the work.
But the thing I enjoy most now is probably
the meeting such a broad spectrum of people
and having so much involvement with them and
seeing how these totally different visions of
what a car should be come out of different people.
And that's amazing.
So there isn't any one type.
Yes, the Allegro was somebody thinking,
wouldn't it?
I suppose if we backtrack a little bit,
a lot of our clients have got a fair amount of money.
It's better to say, when you get to that
position where you can basically buy any car,
what car do you buy that then feels special?
Because,
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yeah, okay, GC3RS is pretty handy if you want
to go on a track day.
I'll take you very comfortably somewhere.
But if you pull up outside the casino in
Monaco in any supercar or any luxury car,
it doesn't really raise any eyebrows.
There's already one there.
If you pull up outside the Monaco casino in a
wide-bodied Austin Allegro, that is a lot
more of a talking point.
And also people can't form an opinion of you
because there's no benchmark.
People drive something like a Ferrari,
and yeah, it's an awesome car,
but a lot of people will think you're a bit
of a ballad.
They just form that assumption.
In most cases unfairly, but you turn up in
Austin Allegro and people don't know what
opinion you're from.
There is no preconceived opinion for that car.
So they're just like, that's awesome,
or I don't know what that is,
but there's never negative because there's no
benchmark for that being a negative thing.
Will, what's your favorite that you saw today?
It's difficult.
It really is.
I don't know if we can talk about the Saab.
With the Audi underpin that,
that was really cool.
What I really like is when you're seeing
those cars that you've put another car
underneath, basically.
So it looks like an old car,
but underneath it's all functioning like that.
That was pretty cool.
We'll put the renders over here because the
renders of that car.
I remember when I first saw it,
when you first released those renders,
I was like, nah, there's no way that car looks obscene.
If it's even 20% of what it looked like on
the render, that is going to be a absolutely mental car.
What was going on next?
Super customer as well.
I mean, obviously, pretty much all our
customers are super customers,
but he's very interactive.
We have a lot of tour and fro with the owner
of that car.
He's a great customer to work with.
He's a really nice chap.
Have you ever had to say no to someone?
Not necessarily on taste, but you can't do this.
All the time.
Not from a this isn't possible point.
As far as I'm concerned, basically,
anything is possible.
But we have had to say no all the time.
There's different categories of no.
So there's no two inquiries.
Like somebody approaching us and saying,
"Can you build this?"
And I was going, "No, not because we can't,
just because I don't agree with the idea of it."
That's a very important thing when we're
taking on new projects.
It's a really long-term relationship.
There's a lot of money involved.
There's potentially a lot of stress involved.
So it's got to be somebody that we align
with, we get on with, we share the vision for
the end product.
That's like number one rule really,
that we've got to understand the end vision.
But then there's also the nose during the
process in terms of, usually in terms of design choices.
And yeah, there will be occasions where
people will say, "I think we should do this."
And I will have to say no, because from my
design perspective, if you, or any of the
team, it could be an engineering thing,
it could be George or Luke doing a cosmetic design thing.
If we think that choice, won't produce,
it doesn't, isn't in keeping with the overall
ethos of what we're trying to achieve.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely say no.
It won't be, I believe it's not doing that,
but it would be, maybe you, maybe you should
think about doing it like this.
Maybe you should think about doing it like
this, maybe you should think about the right way.
Yeah, it's doing it in the right way,
because that's, that's part of what we would do.
It's a bit like hiring an architect to design a house.
You know, there will be points that architect
will go, you don't want to do it like that.
I can see how you want to live in that house.
That isn't going to work.
And in the same way, we're looking at how
somebody wants to use a car.
And if they've already told us that,
and they say, I want to do this,
and we're like, that isn't going to give you
the car you want.
Your name is not, not that the work could be
any poorer, but if you start putting out some
really bad looking stuff, in terms of like
aesthetic people go, I mean,
it's time they keep, time's back into going
right back to when we're talking about first
cars this bit quite nicely.
And the thing you learn when you first start
messing about with cars at sort of,
you know, 18, 19, 20, whatever,
modifying cars is the bit you don't know at
that age, or I'm certainly speaking from my
experience, is what you actually want to do with it.
You just go, I want to put this engine in it,
I want to put these bits on where you don't
really think, why do I want to do that?
What am I going to do with it?
You just go, I want to do this.
And what I learned a long time ago was I kept
thinking, well, if I want to do this,
I want to make it faster, I want to do this.
Actually, what I really want to,
what do I want it for?
What do I want it for?
And that's the key to all of these projects
is asking the customer, what do you want to
do with it?
What's it for?
Why do you want to do this?
And then that gives you, the reasoning to
work your way through the project and work at
how to do it.
If you don't have that clear picture at the
beginning, then that's definitely a no.
Yeah.
Because there's no point building the car if
you're not sure what you want,
because you won't end up with what you want.
No.
Do you, do you ever struggle not building the
car you want to build?
Because of that from for me,
I would, if it was me, I'd be like,
no, no, no, you want the comps.
You want the compbators.
You don't want those wheels.
Can you come make it pink?
Can I go?
It's better in green.
It must just be the way my brain works,
I suppose, is I'm
always thinking about what it was to customer
originally
said they wanted, and kind of putting myself
in those shoes.
And therefore, I kind of am making my
choices, but not for
the car I would be specifically on their behind.
Yeah, yeah,
exactly.
If I wanted the car that that customer's
asked for, what would I do?
But then that is doing what the customer wants.
So no, not really.
And in the odd time, there is a car that
would literally be like a dream car of mine,
and they do crop up.
So the BMW E9
we're building at the minute,
the customer pretty much said
to me, you like BMW E9's, don't you?
Because we did an
episode, I think, where we talked about that.
And he said,
well, I quite like him as well.
Do you want to build one?
And we were like, yeah, okay.
And he was like, okay, source one.
And then he was like, well, how would you
build it if it was yours?
And we were like, well, S54 engine,
speed manual, you know, kind of listed off
the basics and was like, build it like that,
then.
Which is amazing.
Yeah.
Would you prefer to do it where you provide
the car rather than, there must be some
difficult conversation sometimes where
someone says, here's my old car.
You make it better and you go,
your old car is a colander now because it's
full of holes.
We used to the fact that whoever sources it,
they're all scrapped just to help with anyway.
We're pretty used to the fact they're all pretty cool.
The rollercoaster starts pretty early on with
the blast in the blast room.
You get it blast in, you go,
yeah, it's full of holes.
But they all are.
And I remember one of the, there's a classic
moment, one of the escorts that we built,
one of the pair of modern escorts that we built.
We sourced a pair of cars for those.
And I remember one of them came in.
And I remember a few of our teams sort of
looking at it.
So it's perfect.
This car needs to be rude to cut it up.
I think the word unicorn was used.
Oh, we can't be cutting this up.
And then you blast it and you go,
yeah, there might be small holes,
but basically it needs every panel.
Yeah, where's it?
This unicorn car needs every panel.
I put it in the booth.
Where's it gone?
It's in the booth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he didn't look that bad from a slight
distance, but as soon as you get close up,
it's just like any other car.
It's still full of holes and all needs replacing.
And they're all, they're all much of a muchness,
really.
They can get pretty bad before they're
notably worse than any other one.
You've had one or two odd ones where they
were really good, but they're definitely the
exception to the rules.
Couple of my goals at VW.
goals, actually, that came have come through
the ranks over
the years, have been built.
Not marked for.
So
I'd start.
How many cars can I choose?
That's completely up to you.
But one car, that you'd like to see.
Easy, what easy one for me.
So I'll start because that's an easy one for me.
Range Rover Classic.
Mine is the Range Rover Classic I'm building,
but done on a proper budget,
not my budget.
And that's the one that's getting an LS.
It's got the LS in it, yeah.
And then what, sorry, this is really geeky,
but I just want to know for me,
what gearbox are you using?
On that, it's a six L-A-U-T.
OK, so staying GM on that.
OK, cool.
So Range Rover Classic, and then for you come?
Even with that amount of time to
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think about it.
I still don't know.
It changes, like, every day.
car, electric car.
It's an ID7.
Definitely not.
Absolutely not.
That's an easy one.
It's an ID7 with a working car.
I would actually be perfect.
Will?
What would you have?
Because your mid 2000s is your area.
But you like Mark 1, Mark 2,
Escort is more of a rally look with a proper
high revving ITB engine of some sort.
Yeah, you just sideways it.
I always forget the name of the driver.
I think it's Simon something else.
Just the video of a guy absolutely haring
around a rally stage.
And he doesn't really have any sponsors on it.
So it looks like a road car.
It looks like a bloke just turned up to a rally stage.
He just started throwing him out.
Unfortunately, I'm thinking is he's dead.
Yes, yes.
Simon McKinley.
Yes, that's
the one.
It's unbelievable.
So once a month I watched him go.
I'd be able to drive it quite like that.
No, I'd be in the headlight.
In your head, you're doing that.
You're just going around around about the A4A4.
I won a 90s continental.
I'm not a Bentley man, but the 90s
confidently are the T and all of those ones.
But I want it with a Hellcat.
I want it with a Hellcat motor.
Connected to just a ZF8.
Nothing that special with line lock.
And I want it to look mostly standard.
They had the Mullen the Widebody just with
fill out arches.
And I've always had a render that I made when
I was 17 of a that car.
But with the, you know, they asked in V600
wheels, the Fudge, but those filled out the arches.
We had a customer come over in one of them.
That is basically a
standard interior.
Just looking all like normal leather and
wood.
I don't want absolutely melt the rear tire.
I just
want to turn up to a light.
And then just I can see the appeal of that.
That's more along the lines of the sort of
thing I'd probably go for.
I'm more inclined in the direction of
something that'd be comfortable to cruise around.
And because it goes back to again,
what would I use it for?
But the Mark II Escort, I love driving Mark
II Escorts, but I don't think I'd use it that much.
Maybe on the odd sunny summer's day when I
want to get the back end out and crash into a
ditch like I did with my E30.
Then yes, but for normal use,
I mean, there's probably one that's been on
my mind a lot, I'm really hoping somebody
commissions with us.
This is often what like, the cars I want
myself are the ones I hope somebody comes
along to commission.
Rover SD-1.
Oh, yes.
I'd love to do an SD-1 and maybe with a
Hellcat in it or an LT-4
or some sort of supercharged Mod V8.
Like fairly standard looking,
maybe even with the old like sort of mesh
wheels I had on all the twin planning ones.
I retake on the interior, but looking almost
how it was, but the material quality as well.
just like spot on, yeah.
Or maybe we've just had somebody inquiring
and I think probably likely to book in with
us a Mercedes 500 SEC widebody project with
an AMGC 63, basically full resto mod based on
one of them.
I think that
would be really hard.
That's very cool.
It's a V8 in twin turbo gen,
right?
It's a V8.
It's one of the really latest frees,
but he's then gone in and through just doing
stuff from his own factory, built in a new
Apple CarPlay, he's used S1 Espree recovered seat.
It's almost a resto mod.
But we nearly booked one.
We actually did some concept renderings for
an Espree a while ago because a customer was
approaching us about it.
Unfortunately, it never went ahead.
really liked those.
I like the late ones.
The rounded Peter Stevens is it?
Especially like is it the 350 Sport that's
got the yellow with the green writing on the side?
I absolutely love those.
So, you know, God, Murray first,
maybe you get a CVK about saying,
I want my, I want my Spreedum again.
That would be cool.
Did you have a multiple golf cup holder?
Yeah, it had an arts bin everywhere.
Ben, you'll know this.
What's the, you know, that center air vent?
Gamera, or it had some coning-seg,
like, usually air vents from a--
He's gonna have a few bits lying around.
Yeah, exactly.
Which is funny to think like that part is
probably worth five grand less priced.
He's like, ah, chuck it in the Espremaker.
Can you tell us?
Sorry about Redux.
Can you talk about that?
We can, yeah.
We probably wouldn't be able to go into massive detail.
But yes, it is public knowledge.
So, yes, there is a man who came up with the
concept of doing a Resto Mod E30 M3 and built
one that we were involved with
at all.
And having handed that one over,
I believe the
client that kind of was for said,
have you met us talking
about Nat and I retro power.
So he approached us because
the first one had been kind of done by
approaching a
variety of different subcontractors.
So he wanted to try and do it as a one-stop thing.
But approached us and we basically went kind
of back to the drawing board with it and
worked with him to develop his vision for it,
which was basically an all-carbon-bodied,
reshaped M3 where everything is elevated to
the highest
level.
But it's subtle.
So like all the interior, all of
the fascia panels that would be plastic and
the controls that would be plastic are all
machined from the billet.
There's an entirely new engine been developed
for it, a 2.7-litre, naturally aspirated,
kind of total re-imagination of the S4,
14 engine that used to be in it.
And yeah, it's been a project that's been
amazing to be involved with.
And I think I can't speculate too much about
the exact cars we're building at the minute,
but I would say watch this space over the
next couple of years because there's some
extremely spectacular E30M3 is going to be doing around.
Just from the ones that we looked at,
obviously we can't talk about them,
but they are absolutely mental.
I want to shout about the one that you're
probably thinking about.
But when it's out there, yeah,
I mean, it's hypercar
detail.
It's unobtainium spec.
It's genuinely very, very
cool.
Cool.
But it looks like an M3.
That's really cool.
I
said when you said that it was,
you know, it's still flying
on the radar, my uncle or someone would go,
oh, that's an E30M3.
And then they'd carry on walking.
You'd have zero, you know, zero idea that
there was anything even slightly more special
about it than a standard one.
That to me is one of the coolest things about
a Resto mod.
Doesn't need to have 17 wings and be,
you know, with liveries and all that sort of stuff.
Going back, this is a two prong going back,
but going back to what you were talking about
about the Allegro earlier outside the Casino
and nobody would, you wouldn't get any
negative reaction to it because nobody really knows.
The same with something like those M3s is,
you know, you don't really know.
It could be somebody insanely wealthy or not
insanely wealthy.
Nobody knows.
It looks like an M3.
Yes, obviously it's not a cheap,
cheap car, but it's a fairly anonymous car in
a world of supercars.
It looks fairly anonymous.
And that also ties in with when we're talking
about what would you build.
The Range Rover Classic, and we've had this
conversation a few times.
I think they're one of the few
vehicles that in standard form,
you can park, you don't know.
Somebody driving one of those could be living
in a tent with no money whatsoever,
slightly less so now, but go back a few
years, you know, they were cheap.
Oh, yeah.
And yet you could park one outside a very,
very posh hotel.
Yeah.
And you wouldn't, you would not be able to
make any judgment about the owner of a Range
Rover Classic.
You cannot tell.
They're totally anonymous in that respect.
And yet look really cool.
They're classless.
Yeah.
The one way that you can tell which one is
which is that the poor one will have a one
life livid sticker on it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the funny thing is, on the way to this
very building from your other building,
a bob-tailed Orange Range Rover Classic came
around the roundabout puffing black suit out
one life livid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the front letters rearranged to hang over.
Yeah.
I'm spotting a car around here.
One that left me like gobsmacked not long ago.
It was in the Morrison's car part,
which is literally out the back of here.
And there was a Monte Verdi Safari,
is it?
Oh, wow.
The thing that looks kind of like a Range Rover.
Yeah.
How is that one of those just randomly parked
in Morrison's car?
Johnny Smith is currently hunting down this
Morrison's car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He won't like it unless it's absolutely knackers.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not got any rust holes.
Yeah.
Sorry, Johnny.
We'll see you on the podcast soon.
What else have we got?
Let me pull up my next question.
It's a story of the Monte Verdi one,
isn't it?
And they developed the Ford or Range Rover.
And yet they never got to reap the rewards of it.
Is there a sort of a regular road car that
you see every day that you look at and go?
Because it's not the sort of car that a
client's going to come to you and go,
I've got one of these.
But you look at it and go, I'm like,
because I remember my dad always asked this question.
And he said that RCZ Peugeot is ripe for it.
Because it looks like it looks good.
Yeah.
But everything underneath is just crap.
Like it's got a diesel engine and it's front wheel drive.
But if that was mid engine and rear wheel
drive or four wheel drive, you'd have like a
little French sports car or supercar.
Regular car you look at.
There are.
Yeah.
The Volvo V9 is it.
I think that's a really nice looking car.
We talk about it most weeks.
Really love them.
I genuinely didn't know that either.
I think they're ridiculously nice design.
Weirdly, and this is totally...
As a BMW fan, I want to like most modern BMWs.
But I don't.
I hate most of them with a passion.
But the new M2 I actually think is a really nice design.
I'm generally approaching these from a
cosmetic point of view because I haven't
driven most of them.
Yeah, they're definitely two.
I mean, everybody will say this,
but I wouldn't mind a G.I.
Yaris.
What else do I see that kind of catches my eye?
Sometimes it's like
ridiculous mundane stuff though.
I can't even think what, but you just think,
"Oh, that's unusual."
That could do nicely with a wide body.
Yeah.
And then do you look at those...
It's something like...
Something like the Yaris or the M2,
do you look at that and go, "We do a good job on that."
Something that no one else is doing now.
Is it too modern?
I'll tell you what we said recently.
I was just trying to think there's not much
that I see, but I'll tell you what we've said
recently that would be the interesting one
would be to do the IC conversion of the Renault 5.
Yes, yes.
Engine convert a Renault 5 EV.
Well, that might break the internet if you did.
But what engine?
I reckon maybe the MΓ©gane R26.
Yeah.
Possibly.
So we will got one from Renault,
because we want to test it.
And even
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as an EV, it was quite fun, but we pop the engine.
They're engine mounts.
Yeah.
They're engine mounts mounting to the,
I think they knew what they were doing.
I think that someone's going to rip this out
and put an engine.
Yeah.
It just looks like an engine bay for an engine.
Yeah.
It looks like you take all that stuff out.
I'm sure the floor is probably the,
with all the batteries are, it might be the hardest bit.
I would love to do that.
We can definitely solve that.
The LP inversion with like this,
just got those extra little like intake bits
in front of the rear wheel, which looks so good.
Have you ever had that electric car?
I mean, or something, or something.
There's a project.
We've had a few passing in Quarry.
I mean, despite driving an EV as my daily,
I don't necessarily agree with that
essentially there has to be,
it has to be matched to the use as with all the projects.
And most of the projects we're building are
fun cars, not the persons everyday car.
And this is where, for me, the EV is a person
perfect car for me to just get 10 miles to
home and back each day, because,
you know, I can press a button in the house
and warm it up and de-ice it and then get
into it warm.
And it costs me absolutely nothing to do on it.
It's a company car.
So the company car tax thing,
there's basically no company car tax or it's
a small amount now.
So it makes a huge amount of sense.
But I never get into that car or any of the
EVs I've owned and think, like,
oh yeah, I'm going to take the long way home
for a fun drive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, even in that Honda legend that you
know, I own since you, you met me last time.
So nine years still even in that I would
occasionally go, you know what?
I'm just going to go like 20 miles out of my
way on the way.
So I'm enjoying driving me fun car.
And so yeah, we've never really done one
because there's never been somebody
approaches with an idea that I thought was
sensible for an EV conversion,
except one, which frustratingly we never did.
But we were approached by somebody to do a
Citroen SM EV conversion.
And I thought that was the perfect car for it
because the whole ethos of the original was
to remove you from the driving experience.
You were supposed to just waft along.
It had this crazy power steering system that
had zero caster.
So it didn't, like, it didn't self-center,
didn't it?
You have to steer back to center,
steer back to center.
Yeah.
And it sort of, to me, that was so designed
to just waft around effortlessly.
It kind of made sense.
So I think if the right car came along,
you would, yeah, we would do it.
Yeah.
It's just nobody has ever come to us other
than that one, which didn't go ahead for other reasons.
Nobody's ever come to us with an idea that I
thought made sense.
I had somebody say, let me talk about minis,
for instance.
And it's like, why?
Yes, I get a small car to get around London
with an electric engine in it.
But putting a map, the lower,
you get like 300 horsepower off this little motor.
It's like, why?
Why do you want to put 300 horsepower through the front?
I've driven a 250 horsepower red top power.
Horrible.
It was terrible.
It was absolutely vicious.
It's like talk, literally, you have to be in
the middle of the road because it could go
two meters that way or two meters that way
every time you press the throttle.
Yeah, there's so much.
This is one of the, I'm going to try not to rant now.
But it's one of my pet hates is this sort of
EV classic conversion thing where everybody
says, "Oh yes, but it's really fast."
Yes, it will be.
And it'll be really fast.
And for a week, it's with best things in
sliced bread and then it'll be bored and then
it'll be crap.
Yeah.
And that's exactly what will happen.
I guarantee that's, I imagine there'll be
maybe some people listening to this who have done this.
And probably in that situation,
reluctantly admitting that actually,
now they've experienced it going really fast
in a straight line, it's actually a bit crap.
It does the same thing every single time over and over.
It never changes what it does.
No, there's no heart.
There's not the soul.
There's not the changing noises from the engine.
There's not all the things that smells and whatever.
There's not all the little things that make
it worth having.
The things that make it fun,
it goes really fast.
And you say, "Oh yeah, I dusted a Porsche off
the line in many of the other day."
And it's great.
That's great.
And yeah, now it's done what it can do.
Yeah.
You've touched on it there briefly with
electric car conversions in resto mods.
But what's your biggest gripe with the wider
resto mods world?
The thing that my biggest
53:12 Gripe with Resto Mods World
gripe at the minute is just that it's become
such a thing.
And like it felt, I distinctly remember the
first time I heard that phrase when we were
basically just mucking around building modified cars.
That's all it was.
It was just modified classics and you restore
a car and sort of want to make it better.
So you use more modern stuff in it.
It seemed like a logical thing.
And then it gained this title.
And now there are so many people.
And I think largely thinking,
Oh, there's loads of money in this one.
There isn't really the big number of price tags.
Doesn't mean that those companies are making
loads of profit because there's a ton of work
that goes into those cars.
And now it's become this thing like,
what's the next thing we can resto mod and
then market it as a thing?
And it's almost becoming irritating to me
because I feel it feels like we're now
enveloped in with all of these other people
who are doing resto mods.
who are sticking eBay halo lights on a defender.
That is, I was going to say,
that's my gripe, is the halo.
I have rested a mod of the car.
What have you done?
I've put eBay lights on it that have a zen on
bulb in the middle.
That's it.
That's all it means now.
I distinctly remember the conversation.
I can't remember exactly when,
but it was before we set up retro power and
we set up in 2009.
And I remember having the conversation with
my parents at their house.
And I remember saying to them,
before we even considered doing this as a
business, I remember saying something along
the lines of, there's got to be a market for
people that want classic cars that work.
And that sums it up for me.
Yes, I know there's a lot of more detail to
it than that, but that's where it all starts.
You want the classic car because of how it looks,
really.
You want to have how it looks and maybe a bit
of how it makes you feel.
Beyond that, you just want the bloody thing to work.
And that's that.
There's an awful lot of flannel and
flouriness put around that, little core idea
of the thing.
It makes sense now why you're putting an LS
and a Range Rover classic.
Yes.
Yes.
You want the flipping thing to work.
That's what always surprises me with some of
the, I think it's more the bigger ones you hear about.
Like the Diablo one we saw out in Monterey.
I was like, I would, again, I haven't got the
money to buy it.
So I'm probably in the wrong here.
Someone has said, I want that.
And that's why it's been being made.
But it's not looking like a proper Diablo.
I would want a Diablo that looks like a
Diablo from era.
But it starts on the bottom.
I can listen to my music and things work.
You've hit the nail on the head with that as
well because Diablo and Countach,
both massively flawed cars, like immensely flawed cars.
And yeah, that's the only reason to own one
is because they're so flawed.
And if you get rid of the floors,
they're not that car anymore.
The only reason to own one of them is really
because they're a flawed car.
You know, they're driving positions appalling.
You actually get your feet on the pedals.
But that's kind of what makes them the car
they are and almost kind of why they got
elevated to the station they're in.
Because they were such excess.
If you kind of, it would be lovely to do,
it would be interesting to make some changes
to something and try to improve some of those things.
Talking us out of an entire business.
But I think there's certain examples where
they're
56:25 Improving Classic Cars
only unique because of the excess that went in.
If you take some of that excess away,
I don't, I think a lot of cars,
they were just improvements you could make
and they weren't improved.
But with something like that,
unless you, unless I doubt in this resto mod,
they've completely removed the underpinnings
and made it so it actually drives properly.
It's relatively standard.
And at that point, you've still got all the floors.
But you've messed around with it.
It's not really, it's not.
And it looks, it doesn't look modern,
but it still looks like a Diablo shape.
But they've changed so much of it.
Yeah, it's not identifiable as a Diablo from
that era anyway.
And that, that was what ruined that one for me.
Yeah.
I think there was the one with the 550,
the other 575 for all that was similar.
But also, but the Diablo one,
there's a video of them driving a car,
might be top gear.
I think we've talked about it before.
The, they drive an original,
I think it was a VT Diablo, and then they
drive the resto mod.
And he, he mats it in the, in the proper
Diablo and the carbs are right there and they
make the, like almost in the clarinet one.
Yeah.
And it does the same thing of a new one.
It doesn't make any noise.
I assume they've gotten rid of the car.
carbs, or they've done, you know,
even ITBs, but the sounds gone.
Your whole mission to, to, to rest up on the
car is to bring out the qualities that are
there that are good, but get rid of the
things that are annoying.
And you, you've made it a modern car with the Diablo.
It seems a bit of an odd one because it looks
so far removed from it.
It, that makes sense if you're aiming for it
to be a completely new car, but it still
retains enough of the original.
It has the downsides of the original.
So it seems like it has the downsides of the original.
And, no, oops, actually.
That's kind of better explaining what I was
trying to get.
But yeah, there you go.
I mean, this, this links quite nicely into a
car that's caused a lot of controversy
recently that I'm a massive fan of,
which is that Ringbrothers Aston DBS,
which everybody is, well, a lot of people
have slated it because it doesn't look like
an Aston DBS.
But if you take that out of the equation and
just go, just treat it as a car,
it's absolutely stunning.
Like, the level of DBS detail,
the level of execution on it,
I've not driven it, of course,
but I can see how the other paintings have been done.
I imagine it drives pretty damn well,
especially compared to an original DBS.
And for me, the design of it is awesome if
you take out of the equation that it's
supposed to look like a DBS.
Yeah, my only question mark with that one
would be throwing the catch back amongst the
pigeons, though, is what's it for?
Driving, cruising in America.
I mean, what more could you want?
We supercharged Coyote in it.
I thought this quite often that all three of
us, Will and I drove, was it this year?
Yeah, it was this year.
A C6 Corvette, a procharged C6 Corvette that
had the seven liter LS7 in it.
And I loved it.
It was brutal.
It had zero use on the UK roads.
Absolutely no point.
But Ben is obsessed with C6,
ZL6's.
So am I, I'd love to own one.
But they have no use here.
You can't use the seven liter on the road.
So too fast, go ahead.
Especially procharged.
But take it to America, it will love it.
Just doing pulls on the highway all day.
That cars have different uses in different
places that they go.
So I can imagine that the Aston that you're
building will probably drive and be
completely different from mail.
Yeah, totally different.
But both their owners will probably be just
as happy for what they're doing with them.
Yeah, I think that's the nail on the head.
And this is that we've gone round and round
with our one discussions about the engine
initially with the customer and ourselves
trying to work out what to do with it.
And we've ended it with a Chevy LT1 in it,
which a lot of people view as a bit of a cop
out, because it's only an Inversed Karma's
450 horsepower.
But the remit was never to make a brutally fast car.
It's going to be cruising around the UK,
Europe.
A lot of the roads aren't going to be like
massive straight American style freeways.
And we wanted to keep the wheels quite small on it.
So we couldn't put massive brakes out.
I say quite small, 17 inch, but we couldn't
put ridiculously big brakes that would cope
with like a two ton car with 600 horsepower.
So actually, when you kind of take all of
these different factors into account,
often the sort of path is just laid out in
front of you.
And that's the obvious choices.
It's a light, reliable, well proven engine
that you can get with a factory map that
makes the power that he wanted.
It doesn't create like clickbait YouTube headlines.
But that's not what we're doing.
We're building cars to suit a specific job.
And in this instance, that was the perfect
engine for it.
But I would say for the Ringbrothers one,
I would imagine that person is going to be
cruising some highways on supercar tours with
a load of mates and having a swipe.
It's ridiculously powerful.
I can't lose a thousand horsepower then in that car.
And also because of the way it looks,
you can't have the car looking like that.
And it's not to have a shit ton of power.
I was going to look exactly like an Aston Martin DVS.
So 450 horsepower is faster than they ever
were originally.
Maybe their goal was to put it in a hedge.
(laughing) What would you like from this car?
I don't want to survive it.
Cool.
That's my power.
It certainly won't be slow.
No.
Will you got any other questions?
If not, I think we're...
I think we're pretty happy there.
If you leave us any longer, we will get into
deep car murder.
And I know you guys listening can only
tolerate so much.
But thank you guys both for not only
welcoming us here, but letting us do the
podcast here on your set.
It's been very, very good.
We will definitely be back for more just to poke around.
We'll say it's under the guys.
of doing a podcast.
But thank you very much for listening to this
episode of Cars Rule Everything Around Me.
We will
be back next week, as always.
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