We FINALLY Visited McLaren, FBI CLK GTR and Mr Bugga FOUND - C.R.E.A.M. #60

0:00 Introduction

Grandma skidding into the driveway.

Have we meet him?

I felt like a dog chasing a bull.

We're coming around the corner and I was

going for the overtake.

And he started to

spin and he spun into me.

Yeah.

So I pitmanooved him and

carried on.

I wouldn't say anything.

No.

I picture you can

take all my clothes off me for like,

yeah.

I just want to

walk around.

He's that and make him walk around.

Hello and welcome back to the 60th Cars Rule

Everything Around Me.

podcast with myself, Will, Edwin to my right

and Ben behind the camera.

Hello.

It is late though.

So this could be a delirious one.

It could be very true.

But anyway, we always start every single one

of these podcasts by asking ourselves if cars

rule or ruin everything around us this week.

Edwin, would you like to start us off?

I'm going to say ruin because I still don't

own a range of it.

It's actually been a while.

It may only be a week for you,

but we have not done this for two weeks,

Todd.

The last time we did it was when we were in car.

Last Monday.

You have the exact date.

Yeah, we've done it for a while.

I still haven't found a Range Rover.

I'm still looking for one and I'm

unhappy.

I'm at a loss with what to do with myself.

Things

keep coming up for sale that I would in

theory like to buy,

but I'm pinching my penis.

Okay, my pennies.

I'm not trying to splurge.

That is my other thing.

up that I'd like to buy, but I don't want to

in case Range Rover comes up or in case

Ferrari, but it is a rule for that reason.

Small rule, Jeremy's back in the picture.

He was on the phone.

The day after that you had the last podcast,

Will and I went to impulse audio to get the

car behind us, the Fiat Fiesta.

Interesting.

The Ford Fiesta delirious is already saying it.

Audio done.

I looked down on my phone.

It was a phone number.

I'm known, which I don't know why I haven't said it.

It saved it.

It said France.

I picked up.

Jeremy said, "I'm sorry, mate.

I've been on holiday.

You've got my home phone number.

You've been ringing me for the

last few weeks.

No pick up."

He said, "It's still in my

cards.

Nothing yet, but it's coming."

When someone talks

about their home phone, I'm picturing a movie

phone rattling

around and it rings and it starts shaking.

Who

is he?

He's a man of all things.

He's a jack of all

trades.

He will trust his church.

He will transport cars

and grab parts he'll do all of the above.

He's

a Fear being that because of practicalities

and money that, you know, when a daily comes

up, I can just jump on it.

I said, "Daily, there's billions about that."

Yeah, and it's been 10 days,

I haven't got one.

And at least you've got like an idea of what you want.

You know what you want, right?

Like it's a clear vision of what we're after here.

The car that you were talking about today is

the same one that you were looking at yesterday,

right?

It's not completely different maker model.

And like even kind of genre of car body shape,

gearbox.

And like the day before that,

it wasn't different again.

You know, we're staying on target.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tough one.

Really tough one.

And I have a slight time pressure as well

because come Christmas, I have to.

All right.

Come with us.

When Christmas comes around.

Sorry, I have to drive up north of this

country quite far.

It's going to be like my grandparents.

And there are two of those.

Yes.

I currently have a baby driving.

Well, will that ask why I'm connected?

We did present the idea that Ben,

the two options are, Ben goes up,

gets one, drives down, goes back up.

How many round trip that would be?

Okay, cool.

So it's 14 hours total.

Lovely.

Or the option

4:33 Daily Driver Decision and Christmas Plans

is you drive up there and then you let them

both drive down in the S2000.

And then I get the train.

You get the train.

That's actually a shout.

I hadn't thought of that.

Oh, you can do a top guest.

I'll race with them.

And you could fly back.

I agree with you as months ago.

I was skidding into the driveway.

Have we met him?

Yeah.

I agree with you as months ago to do it.

And I then I had to like sort of sheepishly

tell my mum, like, Hi, I haven't got all I

have an S to a lowered S2000,

which is not a comfortable car at all.

And it has one seat.

So grandma's getting going, those RPF ones

make those the nine inch offset.

Those 225s are nine J now.

I wouldn't recommend them.

Yeah, stretch on there.

Yeah.

So yeah, I need to buy a daily.

Also, I'm driving 100 miles to work in S2000,

which in this weather is quite tough.

Quite nice.

So you're overall, you're happy?

Yeah.

So that's a rule when for you.

So overall, it's a room because I'm very

lucky to have this 1000 and I like it a lot,

but it's making me not like it because I have

to rely on it and daily and drive it in the salt.

And I know I'm going to ruin it.

So among other things, which we'll get to

another episode.

You did bid on a car.

That was one proud moment that we had.

You plucked up the balls to bid on a car

though, which was a Golf GTI.

A Mark VI.

No, really quite a tasty one.

And I wish I bid more now on reflection.

No, because of that, you're going to get

loads of people messaging you.

But you're going to get a Mark 4180.

Yeah.

Oh, my Golf's amazing.

You want a DSG Mark VI and one that has

probably some service history.

And this one did.

And it would look really nice.

And it'd be fair.

The reserve was quite low and I got all scared.

didn't bid very much.

But it also went very, like it went 1200

pounds over the reserve.

Well, the funny thing is, usually on car

well, you'll bid and there'll be three other

bids, four other bids.

There were 13 other bids on this car.

It was 50 in the end.

I'll be honest.

It's not looking good.

It's not good.

Yeah, but I just thought about that.

That's a two car carriage.

Little DSG Mark VI Golf due to the size of

daily in the last 2000.

But that'd be very nice.

I'll probably just buy a 1.9 TDI instead,

really.

Just not me.

It is a random.

It could be anything.

Ben comes in with a completely different car.

Tomorrow, B.

I've never thought about like a hurricane

parfer mountain as a daily.

I'm not too sure on the next day it'll be a London taxi.

I quite like the idea of buying like a 1.9

TDI Golf for a thousand pounds and just using that.

Do it.

Because it's just cheap and then spending

seven pounds a year and then I can put more

money into this thousand.

But that is also probably not going to be

very fun in practice.

Will, do you?

I will just say, Rule, there are some minor

ruins in there.

What would you say of Wall?

Actually, I think there's no storage.

There's a glider is back and better than ever.

And then now sort of not better than ever.

Yeah, I'll get to that in a sec.

C.L.

is actually on the cusp of audio this evening.

At my home currently has been delivered from

Poland, a reconditioned amplifier that if I

plug it in and I still hear silence,

I might just let the handbrake off and see

where it goes.

Range Rover, it's cost me a bit of money

recently, but that's to sell anyway.

Now, you hadn't been driving the Range Rover.

And then you fixed it.

This is last week.

You drove it for a few days.

Quite nice.

Yeah, quite nice.

But it didn't sway you.

It did a bit because it's something about

Range Rover that the things that the C.L.

doesn't do.

It's the amount of space.

It's the headroom.

It's just feeling like a bit of a laundry.

in it.

Not that you don't feel like that in the C.L.

There's in a different kind of way.

In the C.S.L.

you feel like some sort of sea of a sort of

snidey business.

Whereas Land Rover, I'm your classless.

My ancestors were really messing people up in

order to get rich.

Like those spices being stolen all over.

I'm God, I'm selling tea.

But I still think I'll probably sell it

because I'm just in that mindset now where it

kind of needs to go.

And I have plans for the C.L.

because I might have ordered some wheels.

I have plans.

wheels have been ordered for the C.L.

They're quite cool.

And they're probably going to be here in a

month or two.

But yeah, the Glardo, it was all good.

So if I can't remember what I said this

before, but obviously Clutch was an L,

but that is now fixed.

The other issues were it had a battery drain,

which is now fixed.

That was two trackers that were still in the car.

What was the other thing?

No radio.

That is now fixed because that was to do with

the battery drain.

So you have music.

So I have two cars.

Yeah, I've listened to ACOM smack that in the Glardo.

Lovely.

Wonderful.

And the other thing was the fact that there

was no blowers or anything.

And that turned out to be because someone

removed the fuse.

Mm, which is nice.

Yeah.

I thought that was fixed, but then we went to

a Christmas meet the other day.

Yeah.

And when you're driving in winter,

obviously, that's when things tend to steam

up the most and that's all.

And I drive there.

It was fantastic.

It was all wonderful.

Drive home.

Not so great.

I was driving along and it was very foggy.

It was the same way it was.

I couldn't see anything through ahead of me.

Like country roads, no lights,

take me home, foggy

9:20 Trip to McLaren Technology Center

as hell.

Yep.

And the thing that started fogging up,

I thought, "Ah, strange.

I do have D-Frost thing on, which should be,

you know, you can hear it normally."

Yeah.

Blowing away.

Nothing.

So there must be something blowing a fuse there.

I don't know what it is.

Also on an airbag like that.

Oh, that's nice.

That just came out of nowhere.

That one.

Boom, that.

It's pretty good.

Because other than that, it runs really well.

I was going to say with the clutch now.

You have that.

But you also have five litre V10 noise.

I was.

It's just.

The drive we did up there, we did sort of a

bit of a convoy.

And it was crap weather for that.

It was tough to summer when things were a bit.

You know what?

That made me, made me excited in the summer.

There was, however, there was a clear,

there was a clear distinction.

Because there was the glardo,

Rory's V8 Vantage, an M3 touring of Alex,

a 540i supercharged, making 400 horsepower.

So there was kind of pack one.

And then in pack two, perhaps two pack,

you might call it, rest of the piece,

you had Ben leading really in the S2000.

He was, he's kind of middle ground.

Although I wasn't the back.

I'm scared of dying.

But exactly.

It was raining.

Then a 316 with me in it, Mike in a Z31.9 and

then Jamie in any 39 six cylinder of some sort.

So there were two very distinct differences

in the people joining.

And you could tell by how far ahead pack one

was from pack two.

Yeah.

Cause I was, I felt like a dog chasing a ball.

I was like, come back guys, wait,

wait for me.

Yeah, it was a lot of sensible.

It was quite sensible.

It was where the weather was a little,

it was quite dry.

Then it got quite rainy.

Even I was a little bit like,

I don't really saw car plane into Rory's.

Supercar pile up for the M4.

YouTube was killed in, in, in crash on the

whatever motorway that was.

The entire business died.

Hold on.

Everyone got, all, not all three channels.

Two out of three channels.

Also, Jack and Ethan out here trying to

repair cars and work on both channels.

But that was on the way to the Christmas meet.

Exactly.

Which was a, which was a really cool meet.

So then we did a sort of auto,

our food and fuel.

It was Christmas meet at Dunkertons.

If you haven't, now, now take this as,

as however you will, but we aren't actually

involved in food and fuel.

We don't get anything from this.

But it's a very good event.

Like a legitimately, you will probably know

if you've been to car events,

especially in the UK, the cars tend to be

really good, but everything else tends to be quite shit.

Bad food.

Especially the food.

Well, mostly the food.

There's usually a burger van that serves a

very basic burger.

I'm going to call something out.

Oh, God.

Goodwood is the worst offender.

Yeah, it's fair.

Goodwood Festival of Speed is one of the most

incredible shows, shows events,

whatever you want to call it,

on earth.

And yet, the food is every single time.

And there are so many food places.

And they're the same every year.

Yeah.

It's always terrible.

Was that place Dungtons yesterday?

And the concept of food and food,

again, it's not our thing.

We didn't comment any of this.

It is obviously part of the wider business

sort of thing, I think.

But the concept of it is great.

It's good carvents with some interesting cars.

And the food is genuinely good.

And I'm going to say it, just feel as a

consumer, the three or four we've done now?

Everyone's been good.

Every single time.

left it wanting to, rather than thinking,

"Oh, I had bad food," thinking,

"I think it's try enough."

Yeah, it's hard to choose.

I was annoyed.

I had the Chinese thing, and I was good.

I was too current.

It was fantastic.

So anyway, hopefully we'll see you at one of

the next food and fuel, because they are

genuinely doom one.

If you don't like it,

then you can peg, whoa, sorry.

I was going to say a nail us to the cross.

Okay.

Yeah.

There is one in March rape, I think,

a bister again, I think.

Yeah, this one's really good.

So there's lots of plans next year,

including, and maybe maybe a cream event.

Hey, there might be a cream event.

We're thinking of lots.

They're not just a cream event,

but also maybe a Fast and Furious watch along.

Ooh, I won't be there.

We know he will be tying Ben to a chair.

And if you think we're not actually tying him

to the chair, you're wrong.

You are the sole purpose of that,

if you're honest.

We're not going to go there and watch it again.

We will watch it again.

What we want to have is Fast and Furious on

the screen, on a cinema screen,

and then a screen to the side that's live Ben

reaction cam.

13:30 McLaren Tour Mishap and Sim Racing Incident

It's going to be the Schuyler booth.

But I'm just yannelling back popcorn and not

really watching.

Keep an eye on that in the near future.

Shall we get on?

Wait, why are you a rule?

I was a rule, but there were lots of ruins in that rule.

Perfect.

I'm ruin your ruin.

Two ruins of rule?

We'll take it.

George, I did it this week.

And as usual, please comment if you are a

rule of ruin yourself.

Lovely.

Good to hear.

And hopefully feel better about ours.

All the creamers band together on your ruins.

Shall we start with stuff and things?

Surely.

The first one on our list, Ben will be very

pleased about.

Is it perhaps on the car podcast?

Side it up.

Is it perhaps?

Have we landed yet?

It is.

Have we landed yet?

It's just a small bit of bullying.

We went to France last week,

as you would have seen, because you saw us on

our drive back to the airport in the last podcast.

We can't confirm or deny anything.

No, the results are unverified.

What I can say is that we've read the brochure.

We've seen your ride and also,

you know, I thought you'd love me.

Yeah.

You're talking about it.

You've got a date

for the prom.

Yeah, new one.

Oh, Will.

Sort of like 35-year-old-looking teenager,

I think.

You are.

Anyway, onto Ben's little mishap

on the bike.

So we were on a plane.

We were.

And on this

plane, it was a very early morning.

And we booked three seats together.

You know, we get the three seats that sit together.

We all three of us.

Very discreet.

There's something to have to do with something.

We weren't in the pilot deck.

We

were back there in the past.

We were quite, quite, quite big chaps.

The plane seats aren't that big.

We had an exit road to be first.

We had leg room, but we were but we were.

Shout out to Will's mom.

Thank you very much for helping us with that.

Huge.

Any context to that one?

My mom works at B.A.

That's the one.

Shout out to Will's mom.

Yeah.

So after a while on the plane,

I was sitting between the two of them on both

ways I thought it's can't run.

So there was actually because early flight

and as a Monday morning, plane wasn't that full.

Sorry.

I just just.

So I moved away from these two.

How does this have any impact to what the point is?

Because I'm saying is I try to get away from

you to not get bullied.

Oh, OK.

Although I will say it took some courage

because Ben was obviously scared that if he

moved seat, he would be moving from his

designated seat, which in his mind is

illegal, not allowed.

And then the plane police will come along and

say, you out your seat.

Are you out your mind?

are small.

No, no, it's because it's because when they

book the plane, they put everyone it

strategically for weight in the right place.

So if you get out of corner,

what's going on?

I was worried because because we're an Xero

that the flight attendants would take a

landing, come and sit basically opposite you.

I was scared that if I sat on the other side,

which had no one on the other three seats,

the flight will come and sit opposite me and

then tell me off.

But while you're bow straight,

you're now the seat belt signs on.

So you can't get up.

You just sitting there going,

you idiot.

You can't be there.

See me off the flight.

If I could get out this seat or I'd have you right now.

But we had a quite pleasant flight,

actually, because the flight out was incredibly empty.

So it was lovely.

There was people laying across seats.

Nice chat with the flight attendants.

So I got up a wheel touching my leg constantly.

So instead, there is a photo we could

possibly put on the screen.

So I moved to the other exit row and then

Will carried on this time taking photos of me

and then editing the phone.

Ben's tried to let it.

Can I please, can we just get to the point?

Yes, right.

So we were perhaps 10 minutes from landing.

Clearly flying.

Obviously flying.

The pilot had said we're about to start

descending maybe three minutes earlier.

He just thought we took a nose dive out of the air.

And then there was maybe a little bit of

turbulence because you get that,

you know, you're coming through the clouds in

a more weather one for Ben and they're coming

through the clouds with a little bit of

turbulence and then looked over to us and

said, have we landed?

But again, because when the exit row,

there was no window next to me is the door

and you can't, from the angle where I could

see anything out the window.

And it was quite cloudy.

So I didn't know if we'd landed.

The best part is the both flight attendants

had gone and sat down by this point,

one across from me and one across from Ben.

And I know that the one across from you had,

but the best thing is I was in the middle of

the conversation with the one across from me.

She was saying her granddads or someone's had

an old man, W124.

So I was locked in.

I was excited.

And as Ben said it, she forced them.

and scowled and looked across at Ben,

like she'd never see the human before and then went.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now he's had it for about 15 years.

It wasn't interesting.

Take it was as if it was your first time on a plane.

Well, then they shouldn't joke.

So it could have been.

Yeah.

It wasn't, but it could have been.

Why thought we'd landed?

It was quite a big bit of a term in suddenly

and then it's like, obviously,

when you land, it's like a sudden sort of

impact and it goes away straight away because

you're just rolling at that point.

It was like that.

It was like a sudden bit of term and stuff on the ground.

So I said to these two, Ben looked up and

went, what are you?

Let's foggy out there.

We've landed in the sea.

How's this possible?

We're just skimming along the channel always.

500 miles now on the runway.

Right, slow down if you can.

I just like that idea.

We're descending minutes later.

We've landed.

We have landed.

We're

18:46 CLK FBI Seizure by FBI

at baggage.

You may or may not have noticed,

but I'm not a pilot.

I don't think you need to be a pilot to record that.

Anyway, that was quite funny and we laughed

about that for a long time.

Yep.

Ben, you've put it here, McLaren Tom.

I know what it's about, but I'd like you to explain it.

Oh, lovely.

Some revenge, perhaps.

Yes, so we went the day after this.

So this was the Tuesday.

Well, the Monday went to Paris the next day.

We had a lovely day at the McLaren technology center.

Crazy sounds like we are balling out right now.

But we had a day there with Logitech,

a little partnership, but then we did and we

got to go to the McLaren technology center

and look around all the cars and play on some sims.

It was great.

Well, and also the F1 things,

which was it's lost on me.

But you guys said was very, very special.

We got to go into the actual...

Is it workshops, manifesting facilities where

they were building this, where they build on,

build on, that they build and work on this

year's or the current F1 cars,

basically.

There's another workshop where they're

working on some of the classic stuff.

They had one of the original like Bruce

McLaren, like the original McLaren race car.

One of the Indy cars as well.

And they had the wooden boards.

Yeah.

So that was what we were looking at.

So obviously the previous race,

both McLaren drivers were disqualified for,

it's like a skid plate underneath,

made of wood, because the depth or whatever

was too little by like a quarter of a

millimeter, that sat on a sideboard

somewhere, was just two of those boards.

And we were like, I don't know if they were

because they'd just been to,

obviously they would have literally been

Vegas like 40 hours.

They did say a lot of stuff gets flown back.

But the thing is, imagine my bewilderment

when Kai have got no idea of this.

(laughs) And I walk over with them to a

table, and they point at two planks of wood.

Which to me, I didn't know, was in a

four-minute one, Carl.

So I was like, what's this?

But we did get to see this year's McLaren,

Norris's F1 car, the actual one he's using,

in bits basically, because they had it apart

for whatever.

I don't think it was his car,

because it was his one from a couple of races back.

But still, it was from this season.

Yeah, but it had, basically it had,

I think it was the front was together,

but the rear was fully stripped.

The engine block itself, nothing.

Oh yeah, it's crazy.

It's an engine block.

Oh, I didn't know that.

It's basically structural.

It sits in between.

No, we weren't allowed any, there's

obviously, there's no cameras at all.

But even said, he said, one of the guys

giving us a tour, that usually they sometimes

will take people's phones from them.

Like, you're not allowed anything.

So currently there's probably some other

teams listening to this right now going,

"Hey, what about that engine block?"

Have I just turned them?

Mate, you're done.

No, 'cause you just broke.

You've just broken the NBA, you're done.

You are done.

There was no idea.

There was one thing they told us that I was

quite surprised, when they showed us where

they transport, they send F1 cars in bits.

They don't just ship a whole F1 car,

like a sort of model car in a box.

But he said that they send multiple bits via

different transport methods.

Yes.

So in case, if they send it all on a boat,

or they send it all on a plane and the plane

crashes or the train crashes or whatever,

they don't just lose an F1 car.

You just build five different F1 cars out of it.

Also, they were just in boxes.

Like cardboard, cardboard boxes.

Yeah, they were recyclable.

But mental, I mean, it wasn't an Amazon package size.

I mean, it's a big box, but it wasn't a huge box.

No, yeah, it was a shipping container.

It was a really cool place, although,

well, really, both of us were walking around them.

They gave us a really good tour.

Some of it we couldn't film,

but we kept looking into the depths of the

building and knowing.

It's like Hogwarts.

Yeah.

There's a chamber of secrets there somewhere.

There's a W1 in the background that we're

like, can we go and look at,

he's like, no, you can't go back there.

There's stuff on the covers,

camouflage stuff.

And I just want like a night at the museum.

Yeah.

I won't break your thing.

I won't break your thing.

I'll just look.

I wouldn't say anything.

No.

I picture you can take all my clothes off me

for a while.

I just want to walk around.

He's that and make you come walking around.

Don't let him say the W1.

Oh, he sat in our Zephine car.

And we did get Zephine F1 as in the M3 F1.

Yeah.

Now that was my favourite thing.

Oh yeah, yeah.

There were all varieties of McLaren F1

excluding the F1 GT.

They don't have that anymore.

And yeah, he was the guy giving us tours very

nice and he said, "Hey, just go ahead."

He opened the door for us to look here and he

went, "You can close that."

I looked at each other and went,

"Oh."

He said on one, which one was it?

He said, "Feel how light the door is."

And just sort of lying in it back and forth.

F1 GT out of long tail.

And he said, "Feel that."

And he was like, obviously, gently,

but he was like, "It was on the gastric."

And he was like, "Just feel that.

Bring it on down."

And I never felt something so light in my life.

That was the one that was supposed to close.

I shot my pants.

Did you?

Yeah.

But I've never shot something so delicately.

How much do I reckon that was worth that shot

on the door?

Correctly, more than I can afford power.

That's gonna be at least a half a mill.

I reckon that was a thousand pounds worth of

wear on the hinge.

Oh, sure, yeah.

You think about how much the car's worth?

Now, more importantly though,

hands out, Cream Central at the McLaren MPC.

Yeah.

Because we met, A, we met one set of Creamers there.

Yeah, they just came over and said,

"Tom, which we will get into more."

But then afterwards, it's just a thousand

different people messaging.

All the three are going, "Oh,

look there, I didn't know you were there."

I would have come and said, "Hi,

you know I can see the markets where they play music."

MTC, it's just this podcast.

They're just listening to it.

And then, after the last Godot video,

it went out.

I mean, this man could be fake for all I

know, but I think he is, 'cause I Googled him.

I got a message from a Richard Yeo.

Yep.

He said, "Oh, that's our McLaren W1."

And then there are little message requests

really, really, really picked my ears up.

I was like, "What do you mean,

our McLaren W1?"

He said, "Oh yeah, no, that's our development car.

"I work at McLaren, we need to put 30,000

miles on it."

Crazy.

That's right.

I want to say, I might be getting this wrong,

I think he's a principal engineer or some is an engineer.

Big time engineer.

He works on McLaren.

Yep.

He works on McLaren.

And he gets to put 30,000 miles on a W1,

so that's cool.

He said he might even bring it by the unit

for that look.

That would be very cool.

We probably won't be able to touch it,

but we can see it from a distance.

So, shout out all of the MTC Creamers.

Yeah.

And perhaps McLaren technology Creamers.

That's what it stands for.

That's what it stands for.

Spread the word and let everyone know that we

want to come back and look at the depths.

Naked.

If you'd be able to leave the door unlocked,

I will steal it.

And also, if you can show us secret stuff and

we will not talk about it, I'll tell you that.

I promise.

We'll make an NDA.

Genuinely.

We will.

We just want to see.

We'll do anything.

It's not legally budding to McLaren.

We've made it for us.

They can't say anything about what we can do.

We say I promise.

So anyway.

Sorry, so at the end of the day,

we were finishing up with Logitech stuff.

We had a little outro and these guys said,

okay, we've got a few minutes of this article.

I'll get some b-roll off the cars,

get some nice stuff, other inside.

And I stood there and I get a,

Ben, and I was like, hello, turn around.

25:30 Tom's Reappearance at McLaren Technology Center

Tom, who you guys can explain,

who Tom is, but Tom, I said to Tom,

he described it to us, I said,

I'll bring to the boys.

So I bought him to the boys and then what happened?

Tom said to us, hello, I'm Tom.

And the moment he said, and he was Tom.

And the moment he said, hello,

I'm Tom, my brain went, I know who Tom is.

Tom is the man that messaged us a year ago

saying, would you like a tour of the McLaren

technology center?

And we said, absolutely.

And then never responded to it.

So immediately we said, I'm very sorry,

we're genuinely sorry.

We made it there in the end.

We're here in the end.

So no matter how we got there,

it just matters that we got there.

And he was genuinely very nice about it,

to be fair, which we do appreciate.

And to be fair, it's on us.

No, absolutely.

There's no excuse.

We got caught up in other stuff and we didn't respond.

No, we did talk about it on podcast.

Yeah, exactly.

Without replying, which is, it's possibly a step to.

No, of course, yeah.

But that's how we reply to things.

We won't actually reply.

We just, it's like listening to a pop-up

service announcement.

A World War II message.

It comes in in beats and you go,

all right, I've got it, I've got it.

I'd like to propose something with the gang.

Here we go.

Tom is Cream of the Week.

Tom is the crew.

We said to him, I think that's fair.

Yeah, it's fair.

To join the month.

Oh, okay, Ben's just getting out on that.

I don't think we can just keep,

you know, just escalate.

He's the creamer of the decades.

The years.

He never gets any better than this.

Oh, sorry, to be honest.

Also, one other point from the MTC is that

Edwin managed to piss off another creator.

I did.

That was quite funny.

So we got put on the sims.

In McLaren's actual sim racing room,

they have a professional team of proper sim rigs.

And so they put us in groups for this tour.

And Will's group was, it was Will,

Will, myself and this other gentleman,

name unknown.

Yeah.

But he was taking it seriously.

Seriously.

We all got on the sims.

I immediately saw all my cysts were on.

Now we're on Formula One.

I don't play Formula One.

I don't watch it.

I don't care for it that much.

So I was like, I'm leaving your cysts on.

The race started.

I forgot that you had to put it in gear.

So Will and this man left me at the start of

the race and I was like, oh,

well, I'm behind five seconds anyway.

Turns out, because I have all the assists on,

I was quite quick because it was essentially

like, you know, those arcade games that

children play where it's just the wheels just

spinning around and around, but yet the car

travels perfectly.

It was that.

So I made up five seconds quite quickly.

And then we were coming around the corner and

I was going for the overtake and he started

to spin and he spun into me.

Yeah.

So I pit maneuvered him and carried on.

He was already spinning.

Yeah.

So I just carried on.

At the end of the race, I heard some angry

noises behind me, some displeased racing driver type.

I was on pace there.

Words like pace we use, words like racing

lights, stewards.

I heard all sorts of words.

And all I heard was me coming first.

And then also I won the race.

I came second.

The

race was great.

I passed a spinning McLaren.

I thought, I actually thought that must be Edwin.

Surely.

Then I turned out after the race.

Because I was convinced I'd finished third in this race.

So Edwin was like, no, I won.

I was like, what?

And I came second.

Yes.

So it was off the bat.

I cream one too.

Didn't see one too.

And then after the race, they were like,

right, we're going to reset.

We're going to put you in a new race.

And one of the people from McLaren walked up

to this guy behind us and said,

you haven't changed anything.

And I heard the saltiest thing.

He went, well, I mean, if those guys want to

turn their assists off and race properly,

can do.

I'm just saying, I only had ABS on.

I was it.

I'm trying to control on medium.

But the best part is after we finished this,

they were like, you will go for lunch,

grab a sandwich next door, and we were the

first people in the room.

We all sat down and this guy went,

right, then who was it?

Which one are you, spot me out?

They were like, all right.

It was, it was, it was a joke,

but it had this undertone of.

No, actually, who was that?

I'm actually annoyed.

I'm a racing driver.

Because we spoke to a few people before,

because the basically, it was a challenge

that was like throughout the day,

where were the fastest person is in like a

lap time, and whoever wins the race races

might win something at the end.

So we were like, okay, we think we've got a good chance.

Yeah.

And then we found out that a couple of other

guys, but they do see racing.

So we thought, you know what,

we're stuffed.

But then we, you know, first race,

one, two.

One, two.

Second race, two, one, two.

Yeah.

You got, you got first and then you were

second and he was third, you know,

that's how that works.

And then the last race, I think he did win

that one, fair enough.

You know, he probably cheated or something.

He must have put the assist on.

He must have found the assist menu.

Crazy.

All round.

And somehow we didn't win.

No, we didn't win it.

So we'll be back MTC and sim set up.

Ben, you enjoyed the sim set up?

Yeah, I had to go.

I had to go.

One of the toughest things I've watched.

It was really tough.

Okay.

Okay.

So when we, when, when we conceptualized the

video, there was a discussion about me going

on the sims.

Yeah.

That's part of it.

And I said to these guys, I'm going to be bad.

And they said, what if we get tuition from an

actual sim racer?

And I said, it was one of the champion sim

races in the world.

Yeah.

And I, and I said, I was still bad.

And what happened on my day?

I was really quite bad.

And, and to be fair, he really helped me.

I think on a lap of Silverstone,

I got 30 seconds quicker, which implies just

how badly my first lap was.

And yeah, but even then it was tough.

I didn't actually set a single valid lap

because there was one corner that I just

couldn't do and I would keep going off.

And then, yeah, I'm bad on the sim.

But overall, shout out, I'll just take,

shout out

30:49 Sim Racing Experience and Mr. Bugger Discovery

McLaren, shout out the Creamers at the empty seat.

Shout out, Tom.

Big up, Tom.

Big up McLaren.

Next up on the list, Edwin, you've put in his CLK FBI.

I've not heard this model.

You've, well, you may have seen there's been

news afoot that the FBI has seized a Mercedes CLK GTN.

Oh, I saw this.

The man in question has done

something to warrant something.

I believe what he was was

an ex-sportsman or an athlete.

I think he might have even been in an Olympic

something and had turned to a life of

crime and fraud and what such.

And the FBI said, you know what,

we're having that.

That's going to be, that's going to be a crime.

It's going to be committed, but we'd like that.

But the reason that I brought it up is

because the FBI have a history of this.

They confiscated an F-50 back in the day and

then crashed it.

What did they do that for?

Yeah, exactly.

On purpose?

No.

So supposedly what happened from memory,

I remember doing a video on it for Car Thrall.

Someone did something about something at all.

Okay.

The FBI said, nah, not on our watch,

seized all their cars, one of which being a Ferrari F-50.

Broders called crimes.

They crammed.

They stuck it in a storage facility.

One day, FBI man said, let's take the F-50 out.

It was not, they were not supposed to be

driving the car.

They got it wrong and stuck an F-50 into a bush.

It like mashed up the side of it.

And so for a long time, this insurance

company who technically owned the car were

like, yo, we had a mint

pristine F-50.

You've crashed it.

And the F-B-O went, doesn't

sound like our problem, if I'm honest.

And they just washed their hands of it.

And said, nah, we're not paying for anything.

So we could see a mashed C.R.E.A.M.

So that's what I'm saying.

I know that everyone knows that now that this

car's been, the F-B-I's got it.

But more importantly, don't let those keys

out to anyone, or else suddenly they go,

you know what?

We should take that to lunch.

They're going to go, that sale could you?

Now it was crashed when we got it.

It is understandable.

That's TDC.

Oh, I'd be wearing F-B-I.

Oh, I'd be wearing F-B-I.

Good God, I'd be making most keys.

If we ran F-B-I, lunch would be on that,

yeah.

Yeah, the TDC.

The TDC, yeah.

The terminally--

Totally detective in it.

Company.

Yeah, sure, why not?

F-B-I as a company.

Oh, I'd said I, I don't know why I got TDI.

Next up on here is another screenshot from you,

Edwin.

It's a very long email from a man whose

subject is BMW Blue and Forum question.

This is the one right now.

Oh, yes.

I'm gonna do the BMW Blue, and then we will

end on his forum question a bit later.

This is a man called James, who believes he

may have found the color that you wanted from the BMW.

Now, I've searched up the color that he's

asked for, and I don't know that he's using

some context of the color.

Will saw a car in a place that we went.

In Carmel in California.

Oh, that's the one.

Which we haven't mentioned.

I was trying my best not to mention it.

Oh, a week.

Hi there.

High cream team leaders.

I work in an auto paint shop,

and all I do all day is mix paint.

I've seen and mix nearly every color for cars

all over the place, even the pearl lime green

on an LFA.

Crazy.

So when you mention the FATM3's mystery blue,

I thought I'd give it a go.

From what I can find, digging through every

single BMW color card, when I should have

been working, all my stuff, the only thing

that matches Edwin's description is BMW

Mediterranean Blue, Code of C10.

It's not quite Tans and I, it's deeper than

into Logos, and it's listed as being used on

M series cars for the FAT year range.

I'd love to attack the picture,

my camera sucks, and Google is poor at best.

Without seeing the car, it's difficult to say

if I'm in the wrong, call me a clown,

but hey, it's better than doing any real work.

Sound like a cream.

That's fair.

And then he also was talking about the C.R.E

that was talking about, but I must do some

more research, but I think it could,

it could be a, it just pops up my mind and

frustrates me daily.

Just know, when we go back, that's one of our

goals of the week, is to find that car and

get hidden to pop his bonnet and look at his tag.

Someone knows.

Someone will know something about anything.

If I find out it's a wrap, I will be disappointed.

But we also have a forum question.

We will get to that a little bit later.

So we'll loop back around to James in a bit.

Their retention there.

Also, we must find Mr.

Bugger.

Ben.

Nah, nah, no.

No, Will and I have been keeping a secret for

the last two weeks.

You mentioned something about,

I'm so excited.

Is it Mr.

Bugger?

Mr.

Bugger has been found.

No, he hasn't.

Mr.

Bugger.

It was actually, it was even more simple than

you might think.

Can you, can you forward me on just on Slack?

I actually, you said to me, for context,

everyone listening.

These guys said to me, I mentioned Mr.

Bugger and they said, don't look at one of

the chats we have because there is something

in there about him.

I just thought maybe it was a joke or something,

but.

No, Mr.

Bugger.

I don't believe you.

I'm so excited right now.

It's far more simple than you might think actually.

This big man of mystery was discovered,

you know, it's a bit like, you know,

the Osama bin Laden thing where they just

sort of found him at his house.

I think that took possibly eight years.

He was exactly where they find him.

He was exactly where he was at,

he was at home.

No, he was at our house.

They went, he's never gonna be at home,

is he?

Wait, where haven't we checked yet?

His house?

We checked his house?

No, you wouldn't be there.

Don't be silly.

I think there's a documentary you need to watch.

No, I'm not gonna bother.

Okay.

He was found many years there,

took a more long time to find him.

Now, Ben, are we ready?

Because on the screen right now is Mr.

Bugger.

Now, on the-

That isn't the car we saw, Mr.

Bugger.

It is.

Now, there is an email from a man who's found it.

From Mitch.

So, Mitch says, email subject.

Mr.

Bugger.

He says, he has an Instagram.

Mr.

Bugger, unsurprisingly.

I think it actually is.

That should have been our first call.

I'm gonna follow that trailer.

That should have even been looked.

But that's, there is now, please,

no clowns.

As always, be a considerate creamer.

Don't go and bother Mr.

Bugger.

You're not funny.

Mr.

Bugger is our guy.

You know what?

He's all of the creamer's mates,

but he doesn't need to know that he's a mate

of the creamer.

But, here we go.

I've included a shot of his car.

He is a car enthusiast.

Love what you guys do.

Unfortunately, I was ruled medically unfit to

drive about eight years ago due to medical

diagnosis, so I live vicariously through you.

Keep it up, you guys, Mitch.

Shout out to you, Mitch.

Thank you very much for doing that.

I'm sorry, Tom, co-creamer of the week.

'Cause that's Mr.

Bugger.

Mr.

Bugger.

I don't remember it looking like that.

No, neither do I.

I do, I remember the color.

Now, here's the best part.

When you go on Mr.

Bugger's account.

I have this flashback memory of just the

license plate surround, almost like vignette

in, just blurred on the edges of just Mr.

Bugger.

Mr.

Bugger has, he's sponsored by someone.

From that, it's like a company.

When you click on the company,

it says, based in Salinas, California.

It is Salinas, 'cause that was our joke,

is that it was in Salinas.

No, it wasn't, it was in Seaside.

That's what I mean, the joke was whenever I

say, "Have you seen Mr.

Bugger to Edward?"

We're like off camera, he'll go,

"No, he's in Salinas."

He's in Salinas.

And a joke, which is why it is.

He's in Salinas, no way.

Mr.

Bugger has been found alive and well.

We still don't know the origin of the name.

He has been found, but there is more digging

to be done.

We kind of want to understand the origin of the name.

I'm gonna message him.

Okay, okay.

No one else messages him.

Ben is the only person to message him.

I'm going to message him and ask genuinely,

nicely, not be a clown, the story.

Yeah.

Because I'd like to know, explain who we are,

that we are a big fan of his work.

We are.

And that he is Mr.

Bugger.

So please, do not, Ben is the only man to message Mr.

Bugger.

That is actually made my week.

You have it?

I'm so excited.

Mr.

Bugger discovered.

I don't know why.

Now to fight his origin story.

Mr.

Bugger and the way that Edwin says it,

when he picks the phone up to me,

always makes me laugh.

It tickles my brain the way that I can't describe.

There's a little bit of upside for the day.

What we got next?

Next up, Edwin from you, Valkyrie MOT.

Here is an interesting thing.

The government in the UK, well,

before that, when you have a car in the UK

and it's older than

38:41 Valkyrie MOT Regulations and Aston Martin Testing Advice

three years old, you must MOT it.

It must be inspected, you must get it checked

out and if it passes that check,

you may drive on the road for another year.

Now here, I've pulled up the government

website and it advises testing advice for

cars and passenger vehicles,

guidance for MOT testers.

And it has a list of cars and things about

them that you must keep an eye on if you're

testing a vehicle.

Now, I'm going

to click on Aston Martin.

I want you to read what this says

for me, Will.

Okay.

Aston Martin.

Scroll on to the Valkyrie

here.

Read what that says.

So the government are saying,

you may not test that.

That's crazy.

Can we get?

You're not allowed to test that.

No,

there's not this list I'm going to be scrolling through.

Like hell.

400 has one position on our off-light switch

for the indicator stalk.

Just like boring things to keep in mind.

But there's nothing I haven't fully threw it.

Is there Zondar?

Porsche models except my 9-2 with parking

brake actuators.

This is real geek stuff.

This is great.

Well, Porsche 911 9-2 manufactured from week 48 2021.

Yeah.

Specifically.

What does it say?

Renault Markable.

Wow.

Were the VINs starting specifically that?

There is no external link.

Great.

The load sensing valve.

I don't know what that means.

Also, sorry.

Sorry.

Just a quick one.

Renault Clio Mark II, the bonnet catch on

these vehicles may not work properly if it's

not properly maintained.

You've described most of a Clio Mark II.

It will just break.

Clio Cup 182.

It's just great.

What's the Rolls Royce one?

Rolls Royce.

To test the EPB for the electronic parking

brake, make sure the gearbox,

neutral, all that sort of stuff.

So these are things that the manufacturer

will submit to the government to say,

look, whoever's doing this must keep in mind

these things.

I had a quick look.

I couldn't see anything else that's likely

the Valkyrie straight up.

No.

You may not.

You've got to go straight to Aston Martin for that.

That's crazy.

I love the idea that you have Valkyrie is

what I don't even know, at least millions of

pounds, right?

And you bring it down to Dave at the local garage.

He's going to do a little pit MOT,

he's wearing his overalls, and he's like,

yeah, I'll have a quick look at it mate.

As if it's going to have like parish brake

lines or something.

He checks it up.

He just goes, okay.

I've got to fail.

It's got a crack in the chassis.

Can you just, sorry, this possibly can cut

this if it's not interesting.

Tesla, 'cause that seems like a modern day

car that might have a weird thing.

All Tesla models see Tesla's information from AT Tesla.

That's the most Tesla.

Yeah, it really is, yeah.

No, I'm going to be, this is going to be my

website for the evening.

I'm just going to be going through that.

No, perhaps the cream is, if you're also

interested in this, then go through,

and if you find it interesting,

let us know.

And we'll have a look at it.

Anything funny, let us know.

We will talk about it, but the Aston Martin

one's quite well.

It's the decline it.

Say no.

Don't you tell to leave.

I just love that you're not legally allowed

to test a car.

If someone rolls in, if someone rolls in,

what model is it?

Val, so with a dodgy M.O.T.

It's just Aston Martin's way of going,

put no cats in it.

Yeah, you do not take this to anyone else,

please.

You can't jack it up.

You'll break it, that's it, you'll break it.

You'll break it, meanwhile, this straight

through exhaust system with no cats.

I should be on the list, hold on,

hold on, hold on.

Hold on, guys, for a pension.

Benjamin.

Hi.

You're up here with Stranger Things driving brackets.

E23, 733, I--

So I watched, and I think you watched as well?

I have.

Will, you did not.

No, thanks.

There is the new series of Stranger Things

out, which I think is actually pretty decent,

and Will refuses to watch it,

so he will not be part of this for you.

Yeah, I've got two children in it,

I don't want to that.

Okay, interesting.

But the new series came out,

and Steve--

But you like Star Wars, there was no kids in Star Wars.

I thought there was, I thought the whole

thing was bad, it was skid.

Sorry, Anakin Skywalker isn't a kid in the family.

Briefly.

I don't know, but I don't like his kid-centric movies.

Okay.

Because child actors are, wow.

I agree, he wasn't great in the fact of

minutes, but you saying to me that that isn't

a good film?

It's pretty poor, actually.

Okay, interesting take.

But I like it.

Any way.

Okay, anyway.

Brief intermission in Star Wars.

Anyway, Steve in Stranger Things has an,

is it in E23?

Yes.

I put it in there, but E23 733i,

which Edwin noted in the earlier seasons was automatic.

I think from memory it was.

So they're basically, this is not a spoiler.

They're basically driving this car,

and they're in this, the other dimension,

and they're driving the car,

and they're trying to like, catch this thing.

And so he's pinning it.

He's absolutely going ham.

As fast as he could.

And they're going, oh, we're losing him.

Are we going to catch him?

And he does the classic thing,

which is he just downshifts,

despite the fact he's cutting it.

So you would just rev more, but fine.

But there are so many moments where whenever

he accelerates, it's just an excellent shot,

where there's just mad wheel spin noises.

Yeah.

The idea, that car is like 200 horsepower.

The idea that you're going to get wheel spin

in like third gear, in a 200 horsepower BMW 7

series, that's crazy.

Turns out he's running a big single turbo,

B58.

He connects to a ZF8, but every time we got

it, it just goes wow.

Which whenever he downshifts,

it gets like 200 horsepower and he starts wheel spinning.

To be fair, if he was to like downshift and

do you know, big ols, valves,

slam a 9000, he would get some tire noise,

but not in the way he might want.

It would just be them locking up.

It was like a proper like.

And you would then watch the car just take off.

But the other thing I was going to say is

that car noises, it's an actual,

I noted, even I noted to my girlfriend

watching it, I said, I was like,

that is BMW 6 on there.

It's pretty good.

It's intake noise.

It's actually accurate, so.

It does sound good.

Small one there, but.

So, I owned one of those cars.

Did you?

Well, technically one of my first people,

I had a 7.35 I.

And tell me, about 60, if you sort of found

shift as it go really tough.

I never drove it, it was so rotten,

you could see through both sills to the other side.

Okay, all right, interesting.

I actually attempted to drive after you recommended it.

Yeah, you said there's a sore movie car.

This annoy me.

I stopped it after 45 minutes.

But why?

So good.

I don't know.

Whoever wrote the script for that movie.

Well, they didn't, laziest bastard.

Do you hear the script?

So there were eight words in this movie.

The character's name is?

The driver.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He has no name.

Just like Layer Cake, but--

Is it?

Yeah, no one knows his name.

He's just called--

Mr.

X.

Mr.

X.

Mr.

X.

Mr.

X.

It's the bugger.

Mr.

bugger.

Now, I will give it another go.

Why didn't you like it?

It's not boring.

It is.

No, Ben, as someone who likes cars and who

can be captivated by cars.

No, but he was just because he's not going,

"Oh, actually, he's had a four-point--"

For some reason, not for--

I don't know.

No, no.

I'm free, okay.

I can stay in a movie if it's got cars and

stuff in it.

The first hour is a bit tough.

It gets better off of that.

The intro, that first drawing scene is good.

The driving around in LA is quite--

Clocks.

It's quite a good open scene.

It's a bit intense.

Yeah, there's a smoldering and sort of pouting.

Pouting, pouting.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Sorry, I'm going to give it another chance,

I promise.

Okay, maybe.

But the thing with me is he starts driving a NASCAR out.

I can't remember why.

I was bored at this stage.

And it's got a V10 in it, like a Viper V10

type noise, and that really pissed me off.

Now, his, a little bit of automotive,

can't say the word.

I'm fairly sure they're the same Viper noises

as Fast and Furious, take a drift.

Well, that's because at least that is a Viper.

Exactly, but I think they use the noises from

that last bullet.

But how do you know the NASCAR doesn't have a V10?

Because I know it.

Because they don't look like that.

But what if this one has a famously V8?

Yeah, but what if this one is converted?

He does send the film that he can drive most cars

True.

He's the driver after.

He's the driver after.

Watch the film when stop complaining,

please.

Hey, hey, hey, rich from you.

Yeah.

No, Fast and Furious yet.

Yeah, but that's different.

That's like a thing now.

Hey, we may or may not own a car,

probably not from Fast and Furious and you

haven't watched it.

You sure?

And do I have anything towards it?

Not usually.

You will if you watch it, you might.

Which is why I'm not watching it,

so we can watch it at a cream event,

which may or may not be happening.

Would you like, we now have a long stream of

Ben News, which will be quite fun.

How much of this has been prepared?

We don't know.

Have it all.

All right, run it.

All right, go ahead.

LFA successor, namely.

LFA successor, now I wrote this in here.

I wrote this four days.

I don't like a lot of my politician.

At the time, it was just a name reveal,

but they have now announced that it is being

announced at 2 a.m.

tonight.

So you all know about it.

This could be wrong.

How about this?

Seeing as everyone else knows,

but we don't.

Let's make a prediction and see if any of us are right.

500 million pounds.

No, sorry.

I'm surprised.

V8, it's going to have 690 horsepower.

Do you know this?

No, no, this is I guess.

It's going to be all drive.

Yeah.

It's going to, and it's going to have a

interesting interior.

That's a good one.

I like that prediction at all.

Okay.

That's just vague.

Here we go.

What day?

It will have a V8.

'Cause we know that.

Yeah, we do know that.

And it will have a V8 that

revs to 9,650 RPM.

And what power?

92 brake horsepower.

Okay.

No, 641 brake horsepower.

Okay.

From a 3.9 liter V8.

Oh, okay.

With a not plug-in, just a sort of normal

hybrid type system.

Rear will drive, but the motors will do the front wheels.

I think it's a four and a half liter V8.

Do you know that?

I have an idea.

Okay.

I believe that it is a three and a half liter

V8, but they didn't want to develop it,

so they went to Rover and bought the Rover

three and a half.

and they have installed it into their new

successor to the LFA.

It will still overheat, just like the old,

all of them did, but they watched our video,

and so they've cranked up to 415 horsepower

with a single whole set HX-35 hanging off

the front of the engine, just with some

aftermarket manifolds.

Yep.

And it's road-tuned.

It's road-tuned, it hasn't got up,

sorry, let's stand alone.

Just a stand alone ECU, it's got Sean,

Sean's dialed them up, on lads,

Arik, and we can get 400 odds.

Let's stick a 14 PSI spring in it,

and off they go.

Perfect.

And I think they're gonna release it to the

world and go.

There you go, man.

It's that prediction, but at 2M's night,

you will all know, and we will also all know,

but we won't be able to talk about it on this podcast.

But the name has been revealed,

and it's not Alexis.

No, it's a Toyota.

It's a Toyota, but there is,

I don't know if this is necessarily exactly

now that I announce it, but apparently there

are, I think, three variants,

there is--

Or at least there is at least two,

there will be a Toyota and a Lexus version of it.

As if a Z4 and a Supra.

Oh, I didn't know that.

The name is Toyota GRGT.

I don't know that name.

And what's the Lexus name?

It hasn't been announced, but I'd assume GRGT.

What's the, oh, we guessing?

Yeah.

It's the LF GT.

And you are?

L.

That's what I was gonna say.

I think it's the Lexus L.

Okay, LFB.

I don't know if that second part is 100% accurate.

I just know that what I've read is that there

are rumors that it will be a Lexus one will come later.

So they released a teaser for it,

which had, 2000 GT Toyota and then the Lexus LFA.

So the, the, the bloodline is Toyota and

Lexus, hence why I assume that kind of makes sense.

So you will know in the comments,

which one of us was right.

And you know what?

You of course know I was right because in the

promo, they had the startup noise of a

clattery old three and a half row of the

eight go, go, go, go, go, go,

go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

And now they also, they released,

they released some classic shadowy images you

can sort of see the car sort of can't.

And from what I can see so far,

it looks quite good.

You're?

It's the best at doing that.

Japan's the best at teasing because I think

they know it from Gran Turismo.

Their teaser shots are always Gran Turismo

spec, where it's like a really dark room

where you can just make out the silhouette

and there's a light in the corner.

What we like in the next update,

boys?

What is it?

Yeah.

That's what it's from.

It's good.

It's great Gran Turismo.

I'm sort of looking forward to hearing it,

but I will be honest, I don't care that much.

Because it's a V8 and it's not V10,

it doesn't, it doesn't.

They don't have to really tickle my nuts to do something.

Okay.

To tickle my nuts.

Keep an open mind on this one.

Will.

Also, I just want to quickly make a note that

I've

just realized off screen, there is,

it is very cold in this year,

and Ben has set up a radiator next to him and not us.

Yeah, that's actually what I'll do.

Would you want the

radiator?

I'm just, no, I'm just thinking,

I think it's quite interesting.

I'll take a photo of my angle.

No, I'm gonna take a photo from my angle.

It's just, it's kind of ridiculous.

From the angle we're at, we probably could

have heated all of us.

Yeah, something that's here.

Or we could have shared the coldness.

It's cold.

That's fine, because you've got more news to talk about.

Go on, next one.

Easy.

Ferrari.

The V6 is superior to the V12.

Yes, edited.

(laughs)

So, obviously originally, no,

I, so I read a thing about Ferrari saying

that the V6 is superior to the--

No, hey.

So I'll pull you out of the club.

Oh, I've prepared everything.

No, I can roughly tell you.

Oh, roughly tell you.

Roughly tell us.

Essentially, obviously, when the F80,

the current new flagship high-stand Ferrari,

was announced next hypercar,

people were upset that he's now a V6.

Correct.

Thinking, saying things like,

you know, there are lower level Ferraris that are V12s.

They have a V12 they still make.

Why would you not put that in there?

And they have said, basically,

in a, frankly, kind

52:16 Ferrari V6 Superiority Debate

of car manufacturing a little bit up your

self way of like,

no, no, it's technically more superior.

Sort of missing the point that people buy the

cars, a lot of people want to buy the cars if

they're enthusiastic because of the factors.

You're right, that's coping.

Cope, that's, no, they're actually better.

No one cares.

Which, the best thing is that no one,

it, okay, rich people will still buy it,

rich people will still buy it,

but you're saying that, yeah fine,

it's smaller, it's more efficient,

it's better for hybridization,

I understand all that, but then equally,

the soul of your car is gone,

there is no good noise, there is no,

you have created a car that is technically

superior in a straight line,

but it's the same thing as the Porsche 19.

Every single person that got none of us have

driven it and probably never will,

but in the whole eternity, people will always

put that one last out of the three.

they say that it's so good, that it's

actually not good,

because it's so, it's so fast and it's so

efficient and it

has no drama to it, it's just,

it's clinical, yeah.

So I

believe it's the same thing.

I think I'm gonna feel about that Lexus

thing, is I feel like it's gonna be 918,

where it's too good for it, it's too smart

for it's own good.

Whereas the McLaren, if you hear a P1,

you hear a 765, you hear a 650,

650, it still has that Koenigsegg angry V8

like relative, whereas the 918 just sounds clinical.

It just sounds, yeah, I'm doing my job.

Which is great.

I'm doing this with such efficiency.

Which is great, but you lose the reason that

it's so mental.

Exactly.

I'll read you exactly what the Ferrari person said.

So this is from...

Can you do the accent?

No, from Matteo Toconi, Senior Product Marketing Manager.

Okay.

He said, "We ask ourselves, should the new

Supercar feature the most iconic engine in

Ferrari's history or take the best of racing

for sheer performance?"

The question ultimately had a simple answer,

even if it didn't seem like it,

we chose the second option.

We took the best of racing, which today means

a turbocharged V6 combined with a hybrid system.

Then he said, "The V6 is superior as the V12.

"The three lit unit deriving from the 400,

"49P race car."

I don't know what that is.

That's the Le Mans car.

It makes 300 horsepower a litre blah,

blah, blah, we start.

Which is great.

But it kind of takes away from--

It's like the F1 modern day F1 cars.

When we saw that engine, the tiny was it 1.6,

1.5, it was it's like that.

Yeah, 6.8.

And it is a V6, but it's not,

and it is, it makes more power.

Even the older V6's from the '80s,

whenever it was, they made ridiculous power,

but everyone remembers the V10 and the V8 and the V12.

thing, so they must be emotional.

You can take, you can make it faster,

but it won't be.

Also, I understand this, I haven't driven

very many fast cars, but I guarantee if you

put someone in a La Ferrari versus an F80,

they will prefer the La Ferrari simply,

even if it's slower, it will feel quicker

because of the fact that it is loud.

But that is every single person listening to

this who has modified a car,

you will know that more often than not,

your modification makes the car worse,

objectively worse, but to you,

the person doing it, it's the best thing in the world.

You're 17, you cut the back walks off a car,

and you put a dumb intake on it that sucks in

hot air, you're going slower,

but to you, you're like, I am the king of the

world, and that's all that matters.

Even earlier on, I moved this fester in here,

I haven't really had the exhaust that much

since it's been put on, and I immediately,

it wasn't that light, this is cool.

I own one of these, I was never excited about

reversing it into a car parking space,

but with that exhaust, it's fun,

it makes it silly.

I can only assume though that all of these

super car manufacturers, that they have done

the market research and their buyers care

more about numbers on a page than they do

about how it feels.

But sad it, they want to be able to say that

it's quick, they're never gonna do it,

no one's driving a 296, they're trundling

around Monaco or London.

But do it for the kids.

Think about when these young kids see in an

F-80 fly pass in London, you need to create

the next generation of rich guys that are

gonna buy your car.

They're saying that they've picked the V6

because it's the best in racing.

They're saying--

And if it's the best possible thing to do.

But the thing is, in the racing,

it's limited by regular

Exactly.

The same as why the F1 cars have the engine

they have is because of efficiency and whatever else.

But it's not the absolute.

If you unrestricted everything,

is that the best you go for?

Yeah.

What other--

Like can-am racing in the sixth,

I think it's 70s and 80s, where they

basically said, as long as you have a car

that arrives, you may go, there was very few limitations.

They didn't go, "You know what,

mate, let's do the V6."

Yeah.

They went right, nine litre V8.

Yeah.

Go on then.

It's like Group B rally.

Yeah, even though Group B rally didn't,

it wasn't really that successful,

it ended up dying after not that long,

but everyone recognizes it and remembers

Group B rally cars, 'cause they said,

"Sondit, let's have a 500 horsepower,

600 horsepower fire breathing rally car."

Yeah.

You don't remember the, whatever the most

recent rally cars are, which are probably better.

Oh, way better, probably more efficient.

When in good wood.

Yeah.

But I'd rather sit on the side,

not to sound ungrateful, I'd rather sit on

the sidelines and watch a quarter ago pass,

than be in the new Israeli car.

If there's something visceral,

what Ferrari said there, what you've just

said there, that might be the final nail in

the coffin for modern Ferrari for me.

'Cause also, they are Disney for cars now.

I think though, that's also--

Get behind the eyes.

That's quite a bold thing to say,

'cause you are denying, if you deny that

there's any want for the V12,

you kind of brush past it, you're just gonna

have V6 better.

But to put a statement out saying,

lots of people think we should have the V12,

so you know, you know that people think it

should have the V12 being like,

now we think V6 better.

But if it is technically superior,

that's fine.

But the thing about, you're selling to

people, people who are very rich,

who I'm assuming most of them are older,

because they're very rich.

They all grew up with their forties and

stuff, and that sort of thing is a bedroom posters.

They're into cars because of that.

But you think that people now,

they're not gonna look at F80 and go,

that's sort of a pinnacle of cars.

But they must do, because they're selling.

There must be some market research that says,

they just want the numbers, they want to be

the fastest over the thing that feels something.

Well, you know what it is, that's the story

you grew up with.

Exactly.

It's the V6 over the V12 that you grew up with.

Exactly.

What we got next?

Another piece of news, actually,

I was reading about this yesterday.

JAG designer, I had.

Yes.

McGovern.

Now, so he is the man that was in charge of

the big redesign of the one that everyone was

upset about?

Yes, he was in charge of that,

but he's also been there for quite a long time.

So he's done the last two, I think I wanna

say about 20 years.

Oh, wow.

Two generations, three generations of Range

Rover, the Evoque.

So basically, it's quite well known,

at least in Jaguar, just in the industry

itself, that he's incredibly good at what he does.

Everything he designs tends to come out quite

well and be incredibly popular.

He was the man who did the stupid number

plate thing on the disco five.

Okay.

And so obviously there are some else on the CV.

But you can see, though, if you just look at

those cars for the last 20 years,

are the amount of risks that have been taken.

If you could have gone from L-322 to quite a

similar, another facelift

of it.

But the L-405 is a good departure.

Yeah, from Range Rover Classic to P-38,

to L-Friday, they have a similar--

They kind of flow towards each other.

They

kind of flow towards each other.

Yes, SUV shape, whereas the L-405 are the

most freaked or four-night, whatever it is.

And 460.

That's one.

It is, nice.

Now, they all look quite different.

They're not as a bit more smooth.

Four or five came out.

I remember thinking, "Stop really Range Rover."

Yeah.

That's kind of one of the best-looking ones.

Yeah.

And L-322 is still the ultimate Range Rover

for me, I believe that.

But a four or five, I rarely don't look at it with want.

Yeah.

I will look at one and go, "Oh man,

that's so cool."

That's just nice.

That's just nice.

He is the man who's been in charge of all

that, and I've loaded a little bit of Jaguar as well.

I think also, that era of Jaguar,

so that's like XFR, the XC, that era of

Jaguar, I think, are some of the best-looking jags.

I believe that era of jag, the XFR,

the XJ-R, and then going into the F-Type,

saved jag in my mind.

In my mind, before that, even with the big

ones, S-type and that sort of stuff,

you were heading towards Kia territory for me.

Yeah.

And I'm talking about like in the 2000s.

Yeah.

Just middling, like, you could easily end up

becoming like Rover.

Yeah, just boring.

Just, you're not that stepper bus for people,

it's the Rover people listening.

(car revving)

Super cash.

That they never got to make because everyone

went on strike.

But basically, he's been, I do,

I wanna say fact, but it wasn't a

particularly pleasant

departure, I don't believe.

Apparently, he was sort of

escorted from the building.

Wow.

And I also did read

that he was a bit of a divisive figure.

You either kind of

really liked him or really didn't like him.

Which I can imagine is also,

we're not helpful, but you're gonna get that

with someone who's making designs like that.

Yeah, certainly.

It's interesting, 'cause obviously he was in

charge of the entire controversial thing

that's happened recently.

I also read, and I didn't know this,

it was semi-recent, Jaguar Land Rover sacked

the advertising agency that were in charge of

that entire campaign.

So it's, we're going scorched earth on it.

Feels like turmoil.

And they're gonna go, and we've brought out

the new E-Type, used to bring everyone back to basics.

They're gonna get, we have drafted in Tom

Lentfall, ladies and gentlemen,

and he's gonna come out with an XJ with an

E-Type, engine in it.

It's gonna have a manual in it,

it's gonna be lovely.

But it's gonna be, there may well be,

by the time this podcast goes out,

more developments on what's happened there,

but at the moment, feels a bit like...

It is what it is.

Everyone's sort of looking at each other

going, "Mm, what now?"

Something, what do we do?

'Cause it's all very well them saying,

"Yeah, we haven't sold cars because we don't

sell any, but it's like, okay,

but now."

Now you have to do something.

Now what?

There's something needs to happen.

Yeah.

They were driving that new Jag around London recently.

Oh, interesting.

There was a concept car, but in red this

time, sort of driving around.

I'm still not.

We know someone that has said they've seen

much further on prototype, and apparently

it's a lot better.

Yeah.

So I don't like it, especially 'cause it's EV

and I know everyone gets all airy.

But it's more that it just doesn't do

anything for me, but I'm still open enough to

see what the next, the,

I think we've had Prime Jag.

I kind of agree.

I think obviously the Ferrari L70s E-type

stuff would be what people are gonna

remember, but the 2010s maybe might be peak Jaguar.

I agree, and also there's random thing from

memory on that bombshell, Richard Porter's

audiobook, when they said they were looking

to do the Sweeney movie when they did the

hold down the lens.

They were originally wanting to do Range

Rovers and they said no, you can't do that

'cause we can't make them dynamic enough.

What is the natural car that a baddie would drive?

I think they're losing that.

Yeah.

I don't think that that's, that new thing,

I wouldn't see that as a baddie's car.

It's sort of British Dodge Charger.

Yeah.

Baddie car is, you need to be in a jam.

It wants to be bullet feeling.

Yeah, if you're not rolling around in snatch or lacade.

Exactly.

It does work.

You put that little concept thing in there,

I'm gonna go.

Okay, well he's probably not gonna shoot me.

He's a tech billionaire.

Yeah, exactly.

Ben's next piece of news that I'm hoping

you've prepared for.

I thought I clocked off.

EU officially cancels 2035 ice ban.

Now I saw this.

Goodbye mate.

Have a look.

(laughs)

No I do, I do not, but I don't want to get

this wrong 'cause it's a big one.

It's a big one.

Europe has officially performed the most

spectacular U-turn since Ben on...

I don't know, you can't talk about that yet,

you're tuning in a few weeks.

(laughs)

Okay.

More of an O-turn.

More of an O-turn.

Ooh!

(laughs)

We're not talking about this right now,

are we?

We're gonna talk

about...

We'll save for the Christmas.

We might not, we're gonna see.

We'll be a Christmas special 'cause,

sorry, just off topic, we've realised that

there was the release dates for Cream on a

Thursday is Christmas date and New Year's date.

So we got, we said...

Not on the same day, they're not the same

time back then.

New Year on Christmas.

Everyone put dinner to one side and sit down

for a good old cream on a Christmas date.

A Christmas creaming.

Also, you creamers.

You creamers.

You commuting creamers.

I don't care if you're not working that day,

you better find a way of listening.

No, no, there are thousands and thousands of

people right now who will be driving around the country.

Well, not right now, but on Christmas,

we'll be driving around the country on the

way to see family in love with the course.

Of course.

Something you might be working.

And you know what, we'll accept it.

If you want to go on the 27th and listen to

it 'cause I know that is the biggest driving

day of the year.

Is it?

Is it for them?

Apparently, yeah.

That's why you would get started.

I think it's a driving day of the year.

I've heard that.

Could be wrong.

It's funny from me after all.

But even if you're busy on Christmas,

like, you know, when people might play music

in the background, put cream on.

Even if your nan sits there and she goes,

"Why the hell are they talking about edges?"

What's wrong with your bag?

What is your bag?

What is your bag?

Meanwhile, Ben's grandma all the way down with SD-1000.

It's a dab of copper.

With a doctor in the rear view,

yeah.

Okay.

Anyway, that's what's going on over here,

isn't it?

Let's hear about this new I-Span.

Span.

So essentially, they've said,

as long as the car can run on biofuel.

Sorry, just a quick one.

So what had they said?

Apologies.

There is a ban in the EU, which doesn't apply

to us because we're not there anymore.

We still have our weird one.

But in the EU, they were saying from 2035,

no more boys can't make them anymore.

You can make a hybrid, perhaps,

but no more internal combustion engines on their own.

You can't have that because you're killing the planet.

So they've now said, nah, you know what?

Avon boys.

Basically, they're saying if it can run on

biofuel or synthetic fuel and specific types

of that, then they can still make them Now,

what I'd like to know is E85,

considered biofuel.

I think it is.

I don't know.

Can you run it on beer, if that's the case?

It's a different type of ethanol,

more so pure.

Isn't that alcohol?

Yeah, but it's a different part of it.

But if we can get some E85 going and I've

been saying this for years, man,

you make so much more power.

It's so good.

But it's, yeah, so they've apparently gone

back on it, whether that will change again,

probably.

But for now, it's looking good,

boys.

What was it here?

It was 2030.

It was 2040, I think.

Wasn't it initially 2030?

I thought, no, I thought it was 2014 and they

brought it down to 2030.

In this country?

Yeah, I think.

It was next week.

It's next week, eight.

That's four years from now.

Special stations up close.

But that means, like, I know it was announced

a lot, maybe 10 years ago now,

which felt at the time, like,

okay, we've got years.

But now it's four, we're four years away.

Yeah.

It's just throwing.

It's just throwing dates, aren't we?

It's just throwing.

It's just throwing.

How are you going to get that?

But that's not it.

Do you know what it's going to be?

It's never going to work.

We're going to get there, and they're going

to go next year.

We'll do it next year.

And then who gets the next one?

They go, it's to the sort of governing powers that be.

It's the Zafira.

We will get to it.

Guys, I promise.

We're going to ban it.

And we've got big plans for the ban.

We've got some parts on it.

Now they're rusting.

No, you can't buy the ban.

Yeah, because we're going to do the ban.

We will be doing the ban, but we'll do it

next year, maybe, or maybe next year,

maybe.

We've got the wheels.

They're definitely here.

What gets, what gets banned first petrol or the Zafira?

We finally finished Zafira and we can't put

any fuel in it.

And it's anybody's race, folks.

So yeah, for people who do not know this,

not a full ban on cars, it's just a brand new

ones would have to be hybridized or they

would, yeah, or electrical.

But now they're saying synthetic fuels.

Where did I see it?

This was something on Instagram.

I don't know if this was, someone will know,

someone will know something about something.

He was talking about the fact that banning

petrol for other people, I actually don't mind.

And I kind of agreed with it because he

basically said that they don't deserve it.

You know what?

I can hear that.

Why are these people stealing these waste

men, these waste cadets, wasting our fuel?

We enjoy it.

Every milliliter of fuel I use is precious to me.

Do you like the noise it makes whereas other

people are going, oh, this is expensive isn't it?

You know what?

That actually, so I, as this kind of an off

topic, but as you know, I can't have coffee.

So I have decaf coffee.

If they said, look, you're consuming people like coffee.

that you're consuming stuff that they can't,

you have to give it up.

I would give it up for other people to have it.

I don't need it that much.

It's just, I kind of like it the taste now.

But I don't need that fuel.

Well, I love the taste.

Everyone drinking fuel.

So 99.

It goes down a tree.

I legit would.

I would give up that if there were certain

groups of people that were like,

man, this is like my lifeblood.

This is all I like doing in life.