C.R.E.A.M. #26 Car Culture In the 2000s, Bad First Mods, And Car Insurance Issues

0:00 Ben's Daily Driver

They had a big snow plow, front bumper and

19-inch wheels and it was a 1.2.

It literally went nowhere like that car.

You couldn't go quick.

You couldn't go over speed bumps.

You couldn't get people in the back seat

because I put bucket seats in that didn't

fold or slide so you couldn't get in the back.

You said that you're one of your cars.

You achieved the thing that everyone in the

early 2000s wished for their car.

Hello and welcome to the 26th Cream podcast

and we are joined today by another guest.

We went a week without a guest and now we've

got another guest.

We've got Tony from Tom lengthful,

limited something the cyclist man,

which we'll talk about in a sec.

Now every single time on these podcasts we

start off by asking ourselves do cars rule or

ruin everything around us.

Tony kick us off, Tony, hit us

up.

Okay, so working for Tom lengthful.

Let's say it changes on a day to day basis,

but it's probably by the hour.

Today is the definite ruin.

Oh, okay.

We'll ask you for more stuff on his jack.

No, that would be

fine.

That's a good jack.

Apologies to anyone listening,

watching who owns the car I'm about to say.

You've got to

say any jaguar at all.

And that's the '80s, '90s gen?

Late '80s, early '90s.

Yeah.

What is it?

They're just a pig to work on,

no matter what you do.

They're horrendous.

I don't think there's anything I like about them.

Really?

No, not really.

They don't drive particularly great.

They're horrible to work on.

I don't really like it.

I don't look great.

Maybe it's interesting.

I think they look mildly interesting,

but there's not much...

It's usually the older generation.

Big soft spot for them because my granddad

had one growing up.

No, no, no, no.

But you'll see why it's fine.

Growing up.

And it was always in the garage.

It was never driven.

I never saw it drive in my life.

And when he passed away, he gave it to my dad

because he knew my dad was into cars.

And my dad was like, "Oh, I'll just take it

to my mate.

He's a Jaguar specialist."

He rolled it in.

The guy took 30 seconds around there and

went, "Ben, it's Ben."

There was mushrooms growing up through the

chassis, through the leather in the back seat.

That's how rotten it was.

And so it went in the skit.

So other than that, they're horrible to me.

But if I see a silver one like that,

I still have a feeling of nice.

I don't know, when they V12s,

they have a V12 version.

Yeah, V12 or straight six.

Very today mixture.

So what's bad about working them?

What was

it about that one that was not great?

I don't think they're particularly well designed.

They make everything really difficult to get

to, especially the V12s.

There's not a lot of space in that engine bay.

Also this is Tony Tengler's.

There's a man who works on Jags every day.

We took four days to take the Jag engine out

of ours and he went, "I do this in two and a half hours."

We

could officially rule one of those.

We never have a modern

C.R.E.T.

because we go through the whole range of

Jaguars, classic and modern.

The XJS falls in the middle.

So the classic side don't really want to work on it.

And the modern C.R.E.T.

So it's just you that ends up with it.

Yeah, I drew the short short today.

So it's a ruin for you today.

So overall, last week or so?

Yeah, not bad week.

Have you had anything

3:42 Rule or Ruin: Tony's Jaguar Experience

cool coming that you've got to work on?

Anything cool?

Not really, I'll tell you.

Do they all blend in to get like,

is there, does it lose its kind of?

It can do.

So I feel like I'm in a quite a good position

in the company that I get to work on the

modern, which is great.

You get the five liters come in and you can

road test up to 70 miles an hour.

But I don't have to work on the classics,

I just get to look at them.

When we've got a nice nut and bolt restoed

E-type set across the workshop from you,

you can look and appreciate it knowing that

you don't have to touch them.

I was going to say, we've been over to a few

times and there is that separation.

You've got those lifts on the right side.

Some old boys S-type on there.

And then on the left, you've got very nice

and clean and they've got all the engines

that were out on an E-type.

It's pretty cool.

And then you throw the Land Rover in as well.

That's also a ruin for today as well.

Anytime anyone has to work on a Land Rover,

it's a ruin.

I don't know if I've ever heard anyone who

works on Land Rover's not go,

I just hate this.

I don't want to do this.

I don't get, obviously they share a lot of

the same things as the Jags.

But it's like Land Rover, get hold of it and

go, how can we make this worse to work on?

You can tell they're designed in an office

and not physically.

Yeah, no engineer has been part of that

decision-making process.

It's absolutely dreadful.

The one particular one, I think it was

yesterday, that ruined it.

Not because it was a bad job,

but it was just really bad design.

So a new Land Rover, hybrid,

came in with a poor brake pedal.

You drive it and you've got no feel out of the pedal.

Not that it goes to the floor or anything.

It just kicks, it does what it wants.

It's quite unnerving to drive.

It's a brake pedal.

You think, "Wow, I'm going to need new

brakes, the ABS system."

But it all comes down to the auxiliary battery.

You know, you get a little stop-start

battery, but normally just keeps things

running when the stop-start system works.

On the

hybrid, for some reason, they've decided to

run the ABS

module off of this little moped battery.

So when that

battery dies, you lose all your brake boost that.

And

they work, and why change it?

The

Not all, but yeah, that's just,

that's it really.

But yeah,

7:34 Tony's Car Show Debut

overall, I'd call it a ruin,

mainly because I'm down.

If we had have asked you this time yesterday,

you would have been fine just for the call

came in for the call came in.

I'm pleased to have it back,

Range Rover, I did a mistake.

Yeah, I was going to say, because you've been

dailying the 350 for a few days.

Yeah, which is okay.

But not after a few days.

It's no Range Rover.

It does start to great when the Range Rover

is just so nice.

It's so nice.

It's a nice place to be.

A 350 could never waft.

No, it can't waft.

No.

It doesn't translate to Japanese.

I don't think there's a Japanese word to go on.

It's overall ruin.

Overall ruin.

Overall ruin.

I think for the first time in a while,

it's a rule for me.

I'm okay this week.

I've got to work on the, we're working on the

E55 this week and I've just enjoyed it.

It's been annoying.

There's been bits that have been not happy,

but it's not jagged in nature.

No, but I'm, I've always, I think this is

actually the thing I'm one of the things I'm

most thankful for on TDC is that we just,

I get to do builds that I've always wanted to

build without having it to be mine to deal with.

I've always wanted to build one of these

things and do these exact mods to make it

sound like a Hellcat and it should without,

if it doesn't blow up, which we might be a

ruin next week because of that.

But other than that, that's great.

And then I've got the C55 basically already to sell.

I need to do a cool attempt sensor on it

because I sent a video, if you're watching

the video, I'll put a layer of video on the

screen, the driving home and my temp gauge

was just going at 80, 20, 11,

45, 92, just going all over the place and

because obviously it changes the engine map

at the same time.

So I've got a change of coolant temp sensor on that.

And then other than that, he's ready to sell.

I'm ready to get the YE36 down and maybe also

get the 8 Series out.

It's so sunny.

We were saying the other day,

this is not England.

We're not in England at the moment.

I've decided we are now a hot country.

Yeah, which is why it's going to rain tomorrow now.

Now that you've said that.

So overall, a rule for me.

Benjamin.

Yes.

Rule or ruin for you?

Rule.

Nothing.

No news is good news.

No news is good news.

But this Saturday is food and fuel.

Our it will have been.

Yeah, that's my feeling.

This is tomorrow.

It's coming.

And Clio is on the stand.

But it's in the special place with the special cars.

You were in the hangar because it's been

the new.

How did you enjoy the event?

Yeah, I was great.

Now Ben has never been to a car show or a car

meet in his life.

I went to Geneva that show, won't you?

All right.

Sorry.

All right.

We're coming.

I've never been to the Mackeys car park.

But yeah, I did buy that F50 at Geneva.

I flew out to Geneva to check out all the new

Rolls Roycees.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was playing out on Bentley's time.

Yeah, they were looking for a new customer.

No, we were just there.

And I went to the show and it was decent.

It wasn't like a car meet.

No one's just there in Geneva.

You're never just there.

Yeah.

Not a car show like when people bring their cool cars.

That's something I didn't know about you.

But fine.

Also, would you like to tell us why you

didn't come to one of the shows previously?

Well, apparently this is a TDC.

Well, no, not one of them.

Yeah, there was a family.

Yeah.

Okay.

We're talking about the you over coming to a TDC event.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Where did you go?

Where did you go?

Was it a TDC event there?

Was it?

Well, it's Sheffield.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, where did you go?

I went to a concert instead.

Which Kings of

10:49 Ben's Car Show Absence

Leon.

Yeah.

Kings of Leon.

Yeah.

Which you can't say I'm a massive fan of by

what they were three tickets or so.

Why not?

That's the thing that was even worse for us.

If he if he hadn't said that,

I would have agreed with it.

If it's his favorite band above play.

Yeah.

Favorite band that had to be there.

Fine.

But yeah, Kings of Leon didn't even like it.

Just didn't want to go.

No, I liked it.

But yeah, it was decent.

Listen, what I choose to do in my free time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've never been to a work event thing.

I went to the Christmas one.

You've been to the machine a few times.

Yeah, it's great.

But not like an event where you bring a car.

Don't have any machine?

No.

It's good.

Been past.

Yeah.

Can we go?

No, we're going to the beach or whatever.

Yeah.

That surprises me.

Yeah.

I just.

But Ben is, Ben is only recently into cars.

Ben is only into cars in the last one.

Would you call it five years,

six years?

You're learning about it.

Just before car throttle.

Well, I've been to them for a while,

but it's the, it's the, the,

them being a bomb.

Perhaps ruling everything around me.

Yeah.

And since I start car throttle,

which is very nice.

Yeah.

I'm excited for that.

And the clear will be, I'm going to clean it.

First interior clean on that car.

That's crazy.

How long have you had the car?

No, so I cleaned my car and then it has a cleaner sense.

That's what it means.

That's a good year, surely.

Yeah, but it's not with no interior clean.

I'm not throwing sausage rolls around in there,

anything.

I don't know that that's not true,

because most of when you get in your car,

there's sausage rolls.

I would say Ben's footwells are some of the

most disgraceful things I've seen.

His car can often be quite clean.

What is this?

No, no, no.

This is a slight attack on Ben.

But Ben's car will be clean.

This is the X5 I'm talking about.

His car will be clean.

But the footwell is just littered with wax and stuff.

Can I presume something?

It's your drive.

You eat while driving.

When you go, where do I put this?

Not in a door pocket.

No.

Because it's over full already.

He's full.

No door pockets empty.

You just don't like using that.

No, because then you don't empty it.

Then you throw it down in the passenger footwell.

Yep.

Great.

Like a prime Michael Jordan straight into it.

Yeah, that's true.

No, it's because I got a 200 mile round trip to work.

So I'm yamin' pasties in the driver's seat.

Lovely TDC out of contact.

Yeah.

And then what happened?

If you put in a door pocket,

you never empty it.

Edwin's car.

But they're in the footwell.

Every time a passenger gets in,

you feel bad.

And then you've got to do it and edge this.

Do you not like rattling around?

Yeah, it's crazy.

When there's a lot of

bottles down there, it's like driving a recycling van.

You're

a clean car, man, or you're...

You have seen the van.

I almost cleaned it today.

Just to come here.

Because the sun's come out, through winter,

it's taking a beating at the minute.

Vara van.

That's your daily...

Oh, no, wait, it's not.

It's not a Vara scene.

We get shot down for staying somewhere.

It's the famous promised.

It's the Porsche one.

I'll take it to Geneva Motor Show.

It's the new sun.

It's the new sun.

So, okay, so you've got that.

You're past car history.

That's part of the reason we wanted to go on

the podcast, because you had some cool stuff.

I thought that was cool.

But one of the ones is very cool.

Basically, Tony was around here the other

day, work over a drag engine.

Just pull out a crazy one.

When you guys had a course of B,

right?

And we were like, yeah.

And you said, what did you, you said you had?

I did have a course of B.

I had a couple of course of Bs.

But wasn't one of them wasn't just the course of B?

No, it wasn't just the course of B.

It was a

silly idea that we came up with at the pub.

Don't, don't ever decide to do a build while drunk.

It was a real drive course of B.

As you do.

Yeah.

And you built that in a weekend,

you said.

So no, so the original plan was to put the

C20XE, the two-liter red top engine in.

Really common conversion.

Done that in a weekend.

Right.

And it quite a straightforward job.

Got bored.

Can you confirm?

Yeah, the C20 swaps that.

Yeah, it personally wouldn't tell you about it.

Is it something you've tried?

Yeah, it's a sort of, I do it like a Thursday

evening to me.

So, yeah, chatting down the pub for somebody

mentioned about rear wheel drive.

I said, "Yeah, we do that."

No, you can't.

Yes, I can.

And so, yeah, it did.

And so, what was the process of doing?

Because a lot of our listeners are not as

automatically inclined as all obsessed as we are.

Perhaps maybe even Ben, you might not know

what it would take to make a frontal drive,

car, a real drive.

It's not as simple as turning an engine sideways.

No, it's really not.

So, custom subframe, floor pan,

rear suspension, there's not a lot of course are left.

So, do you have to basically make a hump for

the drive shaft to go to the back?

So, what I did, to make it real drive,

the best gearbox to use was the Type 9 out of a Sierra.

Oh, okay.

So, because it was being done on quite a

budget, the cheapest way of doing it was just

by a Sierra, a scrap Sierra.

And then, rather than trying to make the

tunnel to house the gear, the gearbox,

I'd just cut the floor out.

And then, put that on the corner.

So, yeah, cut the floor out of the corner,

cut the floor out of the Sierra,

swapped the motor, mated it in there,

Frankenstein it in, and then the gearbox had

somewhere to-- And it fits naturally.

Naturally fitted in, and I don't know how it

happened, but the prop shaft was the perfect length.

I don't know how, because the Sierra's like,

as long as it's a now boat, and yeah,

it's quite nicely.

So, that's the sort of flavour of stuff you like doing.

Yeah, I just love it.

A real drive.

Normal, that's the trouble.

Yeah.

That's why I got into cars.

Yeah.

For modified.

You had the real drive course,

and you had that for a good number of years.

A couple of years.

Yeah.

And then sold that on.

Sold that on.

Is there any other standout cars that you

either built or had that you--

We were talking when we were over by the

Jaguar, and said there was one car that you

wish you never sold.

Oh, yeah.

Which was?

Don't bring it up.

I want to bring it up on the internet.

10, 15,000 people a day listening.

It was the 205 GTI.

It was the 1.9.

Yeah.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say

they've owned two or five GTI and not been

sad about selling it.

Yeah.

There's never someone who's gone.

Yeah, I'm glad I sold that.

Because they always bought it for some ridiculous--

Yeah.

8 pound 50.

It was

ridiculous.

And it was Miami Blue as well.

The very sort of the rare color.

Such a cool car that was.

But I was young.

I snapped it up.

I bought it off of a family member.

Cheap.

And that's cheap back then.

That was cheap back then.

Which was, there you say.

That was 800 pounds.

Bought it.

And then had the realization that I kind of

got to ensure

it.

Yeah.

I think I was 19, 20, something like that at the

time.

And I spent the whole day, yeah,

I must have been

because I was at college still.

So rather than learning about mechanics at

college, I was trolling insurance quotes.

Yeah.

Because it wasn't simple back then.

There was no confused and stuff.

You literally went through the back pages of

the Max Power magazine and went through every

insurance company you could find.

And got a really cheap quote,

so I couldn't turn it down.

Nice.

And so you had a 205 at age 19.

Yes.

So which explains why you said to us that the

reason you sold it is because you thought you

wouldn't survive it.

Yeah.

It's great fun, but if you get it wrong,

it goes really wrong.

Especially at 19, where you think you are Colin McCray.

When you think you can rule the roads,

it's not very forgiving.

If you lift off around a corner,

it snaps.

And I've done it a few times,

a few close calls.

I've got to get rid, because I am going to kill myself.

The final nail in the coffin was a silly rule

that I made up for myself when I was younger,

that if you get waived by somebody driving

the same car, you've got to get rid.

It means you're in a cult, never buying MX-5.

So I've had it in an MX-5, but it was my

wife's car.

So we kept it, because it is such a cool car.

After I decided to get rid of the 205,

somebody waved at me

on the way to work in one.

I've

used to work for an independent,

so this sort of stuff would come in and we

went on to specialising in smart cars,

but nobody likes working on smart cars.

The

4/4

has the 1/4 engine.

21:01 Smart Cars and Rental Options

The

3-spoke wheels.

What's the SLR type or a Formula 1 type?

Yeah, you can get airport rentals or in some

countries you can do a churro type thing

where you can rent someone else's car.

So I was looking around and one popped up on

there and I was like, "No way,

we're driving around Rufetown."

And then I looked at the price,

it was €1,100 a day.

I was like, "No, I'm not."

Even if it was €110 a day, I'm thinking

probably not, but a grand a day to drive

around in a convertible smart car.

No, you can't be doing that.

But they're cool.

They're all black.

They're all black?

Black and red, I think.

Yeah, with the red details.

Yeah, red details on them.

Oh man, smart crossbow.

We should try and find one to drive.

That'd be funny.

That's so rare.

What is that?

I don't know if it's an actual one.

That's got to be aftermarket.

There was something, there was a picture with

it with an SLR.

Great.

That is it.

Yeah, it's an SLR looking.

Oh, that's a, yeah, somebody's on a kit car.

Okay.

There's a company, it does one that looks

like a Ferrari.

They're really weird.

It looks like a compact Ferrari.

They look like smart cars were a bit of a trend.

They're not really that popular now.

When I see them, they were a bit of a joke

because they were very, very small.

Yeah.

And that was the thing, they were city cars,

very, very small, quite not practical,

practical first, sort of what they were doing.

Whereas now you see a smart car,

they're like, they're massive.

I was gonna say, what are, back in the day,

were the clientele a bit weird?

'Cause you get that with some cars,

like Volvo people, if you're a Volvo person,

you know you're weird.

If you're into old Volvo, you're weird.

They were, yeah, it was like a mini cult.

They had one couple that came in that treated

them like they would, they had one each.

Children like children.

They couldn't have children.

So they bought smart cars.

And literally she cried leaving it with us

because she couldn't leave it.

It was like leaving a kid.

Would you like to tell, would you like to

tell the story of Jenny the Jack?

I think I briefly mentioned this,

but anyway.

I don't think I mentioned it on the podcast though.

He's slightly old, I'd say, actually.

But he is into his Jack.

He probably won't disagree with that to be fair.

He is into his jags, but in a not quite the

old man where you'd think he has a silver XKR.

He's looking at volume only 2000s,

but like he's looking at the absolute,

the bottom of the barrel, the cheapest

cat-esque, right off, badly modified,

the absolute worst of the worst.

So anyway, he sends me an eBay link,

and he sent me the link, I opened it and it

said soul, and it was an S-type,

I want to say they're 4.2, but not an S-type

R, it's just the normal V8 one.

He sent me that, he said soul,

I said please no, have you bought this.

He was like of course, I bought this,

it was like 500 quid, had a gearbox issue.

I went through the ad and the guy did the

whole ad in like talking as if he was the car.

He was like I'm, I caught, it was Jim,

there wasn't Jimmy, something and Jimmy.

Two jags basically, but this one was the Bali.

I can't remember the name, because I'm so and so jag.

My owner doesn't want me anymore,

so I have to go and then he starts talking about it.

It got quite odd, it's quite dark.

It's actually making me cringe.

Unfortunately, I've been to the hospital and

I've been told that I have cancer and it's like rust.

Brackets, yeah, like explaining what the

actual thing of what it was.

He wanted to sell both cars at once,

because we don't want to split them up,

the other and the sister.

It was one of the cringiest things,

I mean, my granddad didn't bat an eye,

didn't catch, but also split them up instantly.

I'll have a lot of them.

But yeah, very strange and odd.

I don't know many people that would look at

that description and not think this is bizarre.

Also, you have to go pick the car up,

you have to speak to that person.

Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I tried my absolute

best not to, if they could just drop it off

somewhere, it's mutual.

Leave the keys off, I can pick it up.

I'll come with it.

But that's a real checker hard drive moment for that.

I can't remember the other one,

I have to find that, but that was the

cringest ad I've ever seen.

Yeah, some car people are, you know you are

as well, and that's fine.

If you're into it, you're into it,

but there's some car people that,

and it's like, some cars just attract it.

Crossfire, oh yeah, my good God,

crossfire.

If you're part of the crossfire owner's

group, I hope you're self aware enough to

know how mental it is.

We bought one, obviously for the channel,

and I joined to the crossfire owner's group.

It's crazy.

You know what it is, it's like a local council meeting.

People arguing and shouting,

Jeremy, you didn't book your space for this

week's meeting.

How dare you, it's the neighborhood watch.

And it's mostly just people buying like

emblazoned clothing and just things that say

like, I drive a crossfire.

Neat.

And it's always like, it's a couple's thing.

It's never like, it's like, Jim and Bob will

be coming in there 3.2 this weekend.

Jim and Dave.

What I feel like we haven't actually touched

on is who you are.

Tony.

I briefly mentioned that you're from Tom Lenthor.

Also people that don't know,

just want to very quickly cut to Ben's camera.

He's just left.

Ben's just left.

I like that.

I like that podcast.

The first time ever Ben's just left.

He's never had that.

It's quite unnerving.

I fell out of control.

But anyway, Tony, you work for Tom Lenthor.

Tom Lenthor is a JLR specialist.

Yes.

What are you?

Who are you?

What do you do?

Where did you come from?

Tom's lackey.

So you want a background history?

background, yeah, just for reference.

Everyone else went straight into it without

actually saying it.

Tony, so what do you do?

Anyway, Tony, how are you?

Stuck my head in round the corner of the gate last night.

Edwin was coming out.

Oh, yeah.

Look around the cars.

It was great.

Oh, yeah.

We'll talk about that a bit.

We'll talk about that a bit.

So, yeah, left school became a mechanic,

working for an independent garage in

Guilford, anything and everything,

smart cars.

Done the MOT testing side of it,

progressed from there, then went on to,

actually went into building after that.

Complete career change, had a lot of cars,

too many smarts, too much.

Too many smart cars will do that to you.

I'm changing industry.

How about it?

How's it done?

Yeah, it's

done for five years.

Became, it started as a laborer,

started doing a bit of site managing side of

things, and then Tom snapped me up.

From a building site?

From a building site.

I knew Tom previously.

Tom's got this sixth sense of just seeing who

knows how to fix a jag.

I've known Tom since I was an apprentice.

He made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

And that's it.

You've

been calling and working on cars for a very,

very long time.

Accidentally nice.

He was showing me on his phone.

He was on eBay at my party at my house.

And I accidentally bid on it for him.

Didn't tell him.

Slid the phone back and a few

hours later he got a notification saying,

"Well done.

You own another servo."

I was like, "There is no way you're buying it

for what I'm bidding."

And it was one of those ones that looked too

good to be true.

And then we went to see it, because I kind of

felt guilty.

So I had to go with him to pick it up.

And how about accidentally bought this?

You know what?

I'll come with you.

I'll take a day last.

And

yeah, really nice guy.

Brought it as a bit of a project.

And I'd have health issues, stuck it in the garage.

So we got the car, spare engine,

and just a whole box full of spares.

And it was a bargain.

So in the house that we were building,

these were big, like seven, eight bed mansions.

So in the triple garage, unbeknown to the

person who was paying us to build it,

we stuck this Fiesta RS turbo.

And in our spare time, we'd go in there and

we actually done a bit of transplunk,

do like a engine transplunk.

We put a Mark 1 Focus RS engine.

I'm so sorry to interrupt.

The thing has just changed to a concert.

Oh, great.

Oh, cool.

Sorry, before we just ended.

We had outrun playing because that was Tony's

game of choice.

What was the second choice?

Road Rash.

Sorry, we're back.

We've now changed to Tony's second option,

Road Rash, the motorbike game.

Sorry, sorry, carry on.

So you swapped

in a Z-Tec turbo from a Mark 1 RS?

Yep.

Put a ridiculously big turbo on it.

All of this from a potential customers,

a house bill.

Yes.

It fitted in nice, though.

It was a cool car.

It was a really cool car.

How long ago was that?

Because it was that roughly when a Mark 1 RS

was literally in the packet of kind of new or...

No, no, this is...

10 years ago?

10 years ago?

Okay, so they weren't quite as expensive as

what Ford's have gone now.

So above the cheapest-ish.

So he's since sold it for more than...

More than it owed him, I believe.

So you come across as someone who likes to

save a car, likes to get a car.

Because we recently had

Will's Jaguar XFR, his blue one,

die.

And you came over and

had a look at the engine and told us it was

essentially toast unless we spend multiple

days on it.

But multiple times you're like,

"I want to save this car."

I think you need to.

It's such a cool car.

So you're the best of a car,

right?

It's the color.

The car and eye blue.

So I work for Jack or a specialist.

I'm not what you call a jaguar enthusiast,

but I can appreciate the good jacks.

And ever since I've worked there,

the XFR, that's the kitty.

I love an XFR.

I've got two kids, so I need four seats.

And only XK's are four seats,

but my kids- That's the minimum.

That was the car.

Well, will it be out by now?

No.

It'll be coming in a few days,

right?

Not going to say the replacement for Will's,

Jack.

No, no, no, no.

You've got a week yet.

You've got to wait a little bit.

We found a solution.

There's a green, a very environmental green option.

It's not British racing though,

is it?

It's always clasters, actually.

Botanical.

Botanical green.

That's it, it's an eco-con.

It's an eco-friendly thing.

No, no, no, don't worry about it.

No, no, no, no.

You have a week yet.

10 days, actually.

They'll find out.

They'll find out.

They'll find out.

They will find out.

There's a couple of newses.

OK.

This is actually JLR related.

I read about this this morning.

Is that Jaguar or JLR, Land Rover Classic

type thing, are doing infotainment stuff for L322s?

That's interesting.

A little bit like how Porsche do,

you can get an upgraded head unit for older 911s.

Land Rover and now doing it for Range Rovers.

Specifically for 2010 to 2012.

Your car.

That's something I own.

And also Rory own.

So Land Rover, if you're watching this

podcast, I'm willing to review it.

You can test it on my car.

No, I'm sure you haven't got any cars to test on.

This goes to my point that L322s are going to

be the singer of the next 10 years.

Yeah, I didn't think it.

And when I saw that, I was like,

okay, if Land Rover is starting to look at

the stuff for that.

Making your profit off the people who are

willing to spend money on, it's because

they've done a shop around and gone,

hold on, they're spending how much to keep

these things going?

Yeah.

They'll spend anything because it sells a bit

of a, it's a bit of a cult.

It is a bit of a cult.

Oh, absolutely.

There's a page of follow or they're a business.

I think they're up in Manchester called V8

Vault and they sell a load of Elph.

If you're thinking of like the Instagram

L322s, what they got, they got the green on top.

The clear glow.

They do clear glass conversions,

fixing the heat seats, putting them as a

particular wheel.

I can't remember what it is.

They're like five or six spoke,

I think they're six or seven or eight spoke.

It's got some spokes.

Anyway, they'll be a picture on the screen if

you're watching, but they just,

they just make and they find them in,

it's not like my car.

My car's red, not basic, but you know what I mean?

It's not that special.

They're finding Yeah, it's funny when I

usually drive around in the three one six auto.

You're like, yeah, the rain drive is pretty basic.

It's got the radar crews.

Yeah, we've got the, I don't

give cars like Nick names on names,

but I will call that the Westy.

That's got me cringy.

But I thought that was

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quite interesting.

It's probably going to be biblically expensive.

Oh, yeah.

Again, for those London guys.

When you tell the sort of 190,000 mile green

over two or two out of London,

you can have a head unit for £1,900.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Is that all?

And I can have Apple Carplay on that.

I just paid that for a couple of bushes.

But yeah, I thought that was quite cool.

That's interesting to see how far they'll go

with that stuff.

Although at the moment, it is only,

they said 2010 to 2012.

So it's relatively like narrow.

It's a very niche bag.

It's not like early ones.

I think it's apparently it's something to do

with the fact that that infotainment is the

same as Jaguar's of the same era.

I do like though, when a manufacturer will

look back, because a lot of manufacturers,

they go, "Right, done.

We don't care about that car anymore."

But anyone that goes back and goes,

"No, you're okay, we'll keep that going.

We'll keep parts for it.

We'll do that."

That's nice.

That's cool.

JLR are relatively good at it,

right?

But I've been looking at parts and it's

called Jaguar Classic or Land Rover Classic

and it has a parts catalog from going back to fairway.

Yeah, when it becomes classic,

yeah, they're pretty good at that.

I think that what we struggle on a bit at the

moment is the in-between gap.

So there's bits for sort of 10,

12-year-old cars that we can't get.

And it's not obscure bits.

Rear washer motor for a sport break.

You can't get a master market,

but you can't get it from Jack.

There was a story recently of BMW 760 Allies

now, same generation, like 15,

20 years, 10, 15, the fuel pump for them now

is more expensive than most of the used cars for sale.

So you can find them for five to 10.

The fuel pump alone is like six grand.

Yeah.

And they're like, "Yeah, that's your interruption."

I mean, replace it or don't.

It's weird like a used cars will have that

period where there might be an issue that no

one knows how to fix.

But either the manufacturer comes out and

goes, "Okay, we'll make that part again."

Or someone after market goes,

"Here's a solution."

It's either gonna cost you the earth,

but at least it's gonna cost you a million pounds.

stuff is perfect for it because an E36 BMW

and an A-series, they actually share,

they don't share that many parts,

but they're of the same era and they kind of

same build quality.

And yet because every person who likes to

skid a car on earth has got an E36,

there's lots of reproduction parts or what

sort of stuff.

Whereas A-series stuff, everyone's going,

"Guys, can someone help?

Because I've broken this part and it's 9,000 pounds."

And then you get people going,

"All right, I'll remake it, but for three grand."

Because they know you need this part,

so you will pay with the money.

is it just the middle screen or is it the

horrible four-pixel

screen that you call dials?

Is that being replaced?

No, it

looks terrible.

It's the one thing that brings that car

down.

Is it fixing that though or is it just the middle?

Hang on, hang on, hang on.

This is wild.

You're talking

about my game faster.

Your digital dial is even what you're asking.

I think it looks bad.

I would say Rory's car, which is a 2010.

I agree.

I thought they were identical,

but they're not.

The way his digits and stuff appear on the screen.

It looks like that.

Are they replacing that as well or is it just

the middle?

No, just the middle one.

You can get a modern, you know,

when you play music, an Apple Carplex comes

up there as well.

I agree.

That would be better.

But this is meant to be like OEM.

They don't replace the screen.

It's the same picture quality and everything.

It's the same touch screen.

It's just got the bits and bits and bits.

There is also solutions out there to do that.

Yeah, exactly.

That's the other thing.

It's cool that Land Rover doing it,

but it's kind of like they're going,

"Is someone else always sort of?"

"No, what?"

"Everyone else is making money off it."

I think I think it's slim as well.

We might as well.

That was crazy.

Ben came for you there.

It's the one thing about our car that re-lets it down.

The inside of it looks really modern.

I don't agree with you, Ben.

I think that's actually quite a modern

looking digital screen for its time.

I think it's headed to car.

They look pretty fresh.

Same with the XJ.

The XJ looked pretty fresh looking.

And then you get inside it.

That I

agree with.

The XJ, I wasn't.

So Rory's XJ, but I don't

want to judge.

So BMWs, I'm on it.

Yeah.

But Jaguars, I now know 250 is the XFR

because we've been done so much research.

But in a facelift of something else,

it's 260.

Oh

my gosh.

Now I know what the people listening think.

They

go, "What are you talking about,

Jags?"

every day.

I can't grasp the 322, 405 LG LM.

I only know two.

That one.

I'll get that one.

I don't know what the new one is.

The L322 is what I have.

L460.

Is that it, Ben?

I

don't think that's true.

L405 is the one after us.

Yeah.

What's the old 20 years of sport?

What's the old sport?

Oh, sorry.

I don't, yeah.

Yeah.

But other than that is the amount of wheels everywhere.

Try to pull it up.

The amount of listeners we are losing by the

second, but it's just now.

They want to know.

They're flocking in.

They all want to know.

What's the number?

It's so bad.

A lot of people just don't care.

They just don't, they're like,

that is a Range Rover from 2021.

Yeah.

They're not going, this is an L3 for 5.5 facelift.

While Ben does that, we'll move on to our next--

L460.

Oh, so he's right.

My brain must have absorbed that at some point.

Very nice, Ben.

Top one.

It's because it's one car.

Ben likes one car.

Yeah.

The Range Rover you grew up with.

He's at the left.

You know, Willow Springs was for sale.

Yes.

We considered it.

Yeah.

We put it off for him.

They said it-- You could move it up to two broken XFRs.

We might consider it.

We said, "A couple of weeks away,

maybe."

We said that it was a bit far for us.

Yeah.

We were going to do the podcast just there.

Yeah.

We thought if they could pull it,

you know, sort of like a redding away,

we'd consider it.

But anyway, Singer came in with a bit of offer.

Singer Owen

Willow Springs.

Singer Owen Willow Springs.

No, that's cool.

Them and an investment firm.

I haven't looked into it much further than that.

Now, if we could, you know, Singer,

if we could pop over just for a bit.

We met that guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wasn't it?

Rob Dickinson.

That's the one.

David Dickinson's brother.

No, his name is Rob Dickinson.

Also, can we please come over?

Immediately makes fun of him.

We're not getting him in the mic.

No, Rob Dickinson.

He went to Monterey.

He was.

Yeah.

We went to Monterey.

I think we were talking about it very

briefly, but he, um, we were there for a brand deal.

He had done a brand deal with this brand as well.

Yeah.

And so this brand had said, can you please

interview him and the can't,

won't say the brand, that the,

um, that they had like a representative there

that kept being like, Oh, talk about,

talk about our brand.

And he was like, yeah, so I really love the brand.

And we were like, okay, if, I mean,

fair enough, let you got to do what you're

going to do.

And then afterwards, we, we had like a list of questions.

And I can't remember who we were just asking

like faceless questions if that makes there

was no interview.

We were just asking questions.

Yeah.

And I think one of us had said like,

what, what from your car?

Cause he had built his foot,

the singer.

It came from his car.

car.

He had built an 911, like how he wanted it.

And people started going, I'd like,

can you do this for me?

And then refining it and refining it.

And we asked him like, what parts of your

original car did you like take over into thing?

And you could see he was like,

Oh, yeah.

So, okay.

So the real lights, they have these little

drilled out bits.

He got so, he was so excited.

He is a legitimate, obsessive car guy.

He just wants, he has to be correct.

That was it.

So I would love that.

So that's someone to have a beer with and just talk.

Come on, mate.

Come on over.

It's not happening.

It's not happening.

But we like to say this in the podcast.

Just in case someone says that.

You never know.

You're a 911 man.

Have you ever seen a singer in person?

No.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

We went to Goodwood year before last.

I saw the turbo one, because that's why we

are launching it.

But a DLS or a just singer.

Does the 911 do anything for you,

Portia?

I'm not really a Portia man.

I'm not really a Portia.

I'm not quite that old.

I don't think is it an age thing or is it a...

I don't know.

I think it's for a certain car.

I think it's an upbringing type thing.

I think it's like you either do or you don't

like that car.

I think it's also a type of 911 thing.

If you are into...

I don't think he's into just a base 911.

Whereas I think like Ben, a GT2,

a GT3, that's your guy.

It's just become quite...

I like people at the age of 12 like myself.

It's become like an Instagram thing where

it's kind of cool.

Yeah.

Which I don't like as much.

It's the not too flashy.

It's like a not thinking man's choice,

but it's the Ferrari.

It's kind of what guys of weird bits who sing

"The Price Coffee Shops" talk about now.

Yeah.

I once saw a guy at Donnington track day and

he was poor man through and through.

He is a 911 GT3, 911.

So I don't know where the generation is.

No, no, no, no.

I don't know what generation is exactly.

I like

Mark 2, Mark 3.

Let's stick with that stuff.

That's what I want.

Don't start calling it digits and stuff.

Especially when your brands,

when the manufacturer of things are 911.

Yeah, but what about your M3?

You refer to that as an E92.

You're not saying a Mark 4.

Yeah, but what would be

your 992.1911-9.5 GT?

Oh, sorry, I had to run away there.

I had to leave more there.

Anyway, about Donnington track day.

Guy pulls up trailer and a nice trailer.

One of those like aero ones.

He's got the coefficient going.

Gets it off.

It's all motorized.

Gets it, tips it off.

It's all great.

GT3 comes off.

They're like the GT3s.

They have a place where you can put the

helmet and stuff in the back and pulls the

helmet out of a bag.

Yeah, it's just a driver's seat.

That'll combine the wheel.

A helmet in a bag, a Porsche-branded helmet,

gloves.

He had a turtleneck on.

Slightly thin, slightly graying man.

He was what I would define as the 9/11 man.

Oh, he is what a base 9/11 man looks up to.

They look at that guy and go,

"One day, one day I'll be just as boring as him."

Boring!

In a GT3.

I like a GT3 and I could appreciate it

because it's a really cool engine.

I think it looks a bit naff.

Didn't you say he spent the whole day just

cleaning the wheels or something?

I can't remember.

He was probably very slow as well.

Oh, wow.

What, in a GT3?

Would you beat him?

He'd be

slowing a GT3.

In equal machinery, would you beat him?

What,

in a race?

A fight?

A fight I reckon I could take.

A chest.

46:00 Track Day Helmet Stories

drained my soul.

Did he?

Did he have the matching jacket?

I didn't see it at night.

Portant bag.

Pat bag, because he definitely had the bag.

The helmet had a bag.

So it was like a hold-all for that helmet.

It's worse grandma like that.

Meanwhile, we'll put a film screen now for

Will pulling up to track down a full Burberry

tracksuit and a Union Jack helmet.

Yeah, that is actually funny.

On the flip side of that, I think I talked

about it before, but I went to track there in

my car and the helmet that I had are the

helmets that you can see just down there,

which are moped helmets, the cheapest ones of ours.

And the guy I've gone down to the line,

he went and checked the safety gear.

And he literally just looked in and went,

"Okay, yeah, I guess you're right to go."

Everyone else is in proper for racing gear,

but we turn up every time with Vespa moped helmets.

Nice.

Never felt quite as much like a bellend as I

did, plowing round brands hatch and a blow

focus ST with an orange front bumper,

a Union Jack helmet and a full replica

Burberry track suit on.

Amazing.

Also the camera is facing your face.

Yeah, the camera is recording you.

And me looking on from the pits,

'cause my car's too loud to go on.

Yeah, apologies.

Anyway, so more news, so Singer and Bortwell

are spring, that's very rich,

very cool.

Have a sound there, please.

You won this time, Singer.

When Kerbera comes up for sale with the Kerbera.

Oh, the Kerbera is ours.

When brands hatch comes up for sale.

Someone from Ferrari with an talent,

Italian name, called Gian Maria Fulgenzi,

has said that they might do manual gearboxes again.

Interesting, but only on the limited run stuff.

It's literally what it's going to say.

Surely it's going to be on that.

It's for the millions, billion,

billion, millions, billion.

So you're not going to see whatever the next

V8, small Ferraris, with a manual,

you might see a big V12 5 in the world thing

with a manual gearbox.

You see that with basically everyone now,

asking them to do the same thing,

they've worked out I think the genesis of it

is like the Hurricane Serato and the 911

Dakar, the lifted thing where they've just

gone, we can sell absolutely anything to

these idiots for five times the price.

And if we say that they're rare,

someone's going to buy it.

'Cause just get those profit margins up.

Cool, whack out a hundred cars at 200% profit margin.

Yeah, why not?

Why wouldn't you?

I do think there's, I don't know if

manufacturers are sort of under value wing,

but enthusiasts, like the M3 Touring.

Remember when that first sort of like came

out, it was, I don't know what the sort of

official wording was, but it was meant to be

a little bit more limited.

It was like, we're doing it,

but there won't be that many.

They are everywhere.

And now they've made a CS, and I'm sure

there'll be more special editions.

There's just tons of them.

And I don't think that was the intention when

it came out.

It's like, oh, it's, we'll see.

I don't know, yeah, I also, I don't know,

I don't know if it's the same for you.

Like when a special edition car is no longer

special to me, that makes sense.

Like if I see a, a one of five,

yeah, cool.

But there's like, there's seven one of fives

in that same year from Ferrari.

Whereas if you see a Mercilago SV,

that's your lot.

You get a big production run of one,

a cool car.

And then they make a very small amount of

really special ones.

And then that's really special to see it like

a Diablo SV or something like that.

That's cool.

But now when it's like, yeah,

I mean, now there'll be another special

edition in 20 minutes.

Just give it another minute.

It loses its special.

Cause the SP one was a cool SP one SP two Ferrari.

convertible things.

I have seen three or four of those now,

like, not out and about.

They're not in littles.

But like, super car shows and stuff.

I should never see one in my life.

It should be that if I see one,

I'm going crazy.

I'm shaking my pants.

Yeah.

The craziest one is Bugatti with it.

Cause they released the Shiron,

which is already limited.

And it's really what, like three mil.

And then they released the Devo,

which was a Shiron with the body kit.

I think correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it is just that.

And then the EB-1.

getting to not chance scenario.

I don't know what it's called.

That's the one that's an EB-1 10.

Yeah.

And then that one and then they released.

Sentry leechy or something.

Yeah.

And then they go, one or five,

it's eight million pounds.

That must be hard.

It must be hard.

It's a little bit like how airlines sell like

first class tickets.

That's how they make all the money.

Yeah.

The normal Veyrock or Chiron,

sorry, or whatever it is.

They're like, yeah, whatever.

We'll sell you one of those.

Yeah, it might have special pain.

But the real money's made when,

when probably someone from the Brunner also

has a sandy type country.

Yeah.

Might say, oh, I'd like to give you £10

million, if you could make me two of these or one.

Yeah.

No one else has.

Yeah.

We talked about it before, the Brunner stuff,

the Brunner Royal Family buying special

one-off commissions is what kept Bentley and

Rolls Royce alive in the 90s.

Yeah.

Simply because they went, I make just name a price.

I just want to have the only one.

Yeah.

I just don't want anyone else to have it and

I'll pay you anything.

Yeah.

But even, so going through like the modified

scene, I sort of got out of it a bit when I

you know, what I think kids and stuff,

but didn't voxel do the limited.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Of course.

The red, the black and red.

Limited to five million units and everyone,

but anyone who owned one, it was either a

Mark six Fiesta or you had

the Corsa.

Oh yeah, but it's limited.

Yeah.

Limited to what

70 miles an hour?

It's not limited.

It's not a limited

edition.

There's nothing special about it.

I was wondering, Paul, I was actually

recently in the last couple of weeks,

I can't remember somewhere on Instagram,

Corsa of that gen, whatever it is,

a quarter, an E, an F, I don't know,

G-H-O-J-K.

But you had it on his son's trip.

It was like the son's trip.

I was trying to make up what it said,

limited edition of the son's trip.

See, that was a big thing when I was growing up.

The son's trip.

The son's trip.

I loved the son's trip.

They went out and then they come back.

Yeah.

So I had my first car, I had a son's trip.

That was a Kenwood.

Oh, Kenwood's other Kenwood son's trip,

yeah.

Isn't it funny how like, I think brands was so huge.

With the shopping list.

Yeah, of course.

I don't think I've read the shopping list.

Whenever I've seen, I see that.

I search for those brands on the car.

'Cause normally you always see Pirelli on there.

You see Pirelli or Michelin,

normally Pirelli.

And then you look at the tyres and it will have.

It's like, where's the Pirelli on his car?

No, I didn't have some at some point.

Or two different wheel brands.

Okay, but you've got rotors on there.

You just love, yeah, like the sunstrip.

Anything else.

Did you do anything else, period,

like real period, correct?

Did you have a boot build, audio build at any point?

Oh, gotcha.

Yeah.

Yeah, first car.

Literally, I wanted to do

everything in this car.

So did do everything in it.

What

was the first car?

First car, Lee Lee Drove.

Yeah.

Was it?

Was it a 205 Junior?

A 205 Junior.

So that had five glass boot build.

With your self.

Yep, myself.

That's really bad.

Bonus points for that.

12 inch sub.

Nice twist of tape.

Yeah, really cool.

Really cool, honestly.

What's the boggiest thing you did on it?

Oh, it literally had everything.

So the Kenwood Sun Strip, it had the GTI arch

kit, door molding kit, put on it.

It had, I think I'd add something to the

bumper, like the lower section of the bumper.

It had an Impreza bonnet vent.

That was the tackiest.

You know what that is.

I've never seen that anywhere else.

Impreza bonnet vent on a 205 Junior.

Everywhere.

Everyone searching for what car they put that on.

Pico Big Boer exhaust.

We were looking for the hot hatches.

So the course would be in the starlet.

And I came across a 205 diesel with a face

with micro plates painted in this luminous green color.

And we were looking at this front bumper,

like, what is that front bumper?

This is front bumper.

It was just an M Sport E36 bumper,

grafted on the front of the tour.

It just made to fit.

And it somehow kind of did fit.

It sort of worked.

Because it was, period, it was sort of,

E36 roughly same era.

It just kind of just sort of worked.

Did you ever have a car that had E36 mirrors?

Because that, E36 mirrors, the M3 mirrors,

was the biggest thing.

That was on a Corsa B, actually.

It's a different Corsa B that had a big snow

plow front bumper and 19-inch wheel and it

was a 1.2.

It literally, it went nowhere that car.

You couldn't go quick.

You couldn't go over speed bumps.

You couldn't get people in the back seat

because I put bucket seats in that didn't

fold or slide.

See, you couldn't get in the back.

You said that you're one of your cars.

You achieved the thing that everyone in the

early 2000s wished for their car,

which you got magazine featured.

54:54 Magazine Era Car Builds

Yeah.

In the Corsa.

In the rear wheel drive, of course.

That, because we were, weird to be fair,

kind of tail end of magazine era,

max power era.

I was right at the end of it.

But even then, I'm buying a magazine every

week for max power.

And I remember thinking, like,

imagine having a car in this.

It's a bit like, you know how those channels

now that feature cars on YouTube?

Yeah.

We do it less on ours, but there are loads of

channels that feature modified cars.

It's like, that's more than equivalent.

If you had your car in fast car,

if you had it in max power, that was like,

you made it.

That was the build.

It was so cool.

It was a teenage dream, if you like.

It was very different back.

I was thinking about this after we chatted

about it all the other night.

It sort of brought back old memories and stuff.

It was very different in the sense that a lot

of people listening or watching,

not that they've never heard of magazines,

but wouldn't ever go out, not a magazine

sitting and reading it.

You know, there was max power,

red line, revs, fast car.

That was my shopping list for the month.

Food came second.

It was, I've got to get these.

On the day they come out, sit,

read, literally paste a lot of cover to cover.

And you have to wait another month for your

next hit of what are people doing.

There wasn't forums towards the back end of

it that forums were coming on,

but it was for the geeky kids who had

computers then that would do it.

You have to wait a month to see,

oh, I wonder what they've done here.

It's 10 opinion, you go online and it's

video, video, video, video, building this building.

And it's really difficult to stand out,

I suppose.

I remember the, like even in Max Power they

did the big build, like they did the yellow Carlton.

That sort of stuff is waiting to see what would happen.

That was before I found those magazines of my brothers.

So I got to read them all at once,

but I could

imagine every week being like,

what are they going to do?

What wheels are they going to put on it?

What are they going to do after this?

There was that and the Pink Escort?

There's on the Pink Escort.

Monkey London then had, which is cool.

That still lives.

I liked the, it was a bit bold when they'd

done it, but the Astra, the wide bodied,

it was yellow and reds.

Yeah, he's still, it's still around.

Yeah, it's still around, isn't it?

Yeah.

'Cause I think it burnt, didn't it catch all fire?

Yeah, I think it was about the V6 one burnt.

Oh, the silver one.

The silver one was central seats.

Yeah, that's one of the wildest things I've seen.

Like builds I've seen.

It's not to everyone's taste,

but in terms of what went into that,

we saw that at the max power,

the first max power you know it to instead.

I think I will say that is, some of you

listening, we visited max power sort of stuff

with the FTO and 'cause it's something that

we both love.

But I think there is actually,

there's a good amount of props England should

have for it in the UK because we're only a

ditty little country.

Yes, it's small.

And yet we were obsessed with doing the most

ridiculous things you can.

Of course the Americans are doing it.

They're doing everything.

Of course in Japan they're doing crazy.

But we have policemen going no you can't do

that every four seconds.

It's quite impressive the amount of cool

things that came out of England out of like

fast car max power.

And it was always at the same time you'd

have, max power was very big body kits,

Larry, you'd have a red line that would do

your performance sort of mods.

And then you'd have your scenes from around Europe.

Like the Spanish and the Belgian sort of

scenes were really kind.

Gap Bill?

Gap Bill being amazing.

I used to read about Gap Bill in Fast Car magazine.

It was like,

all the UK stuff was pretty mad but this was like wild.

The

pictures coming out of there was like,

there's just people not wearing any clothes,

everything's on fire.

Always wanted to get a drift thing.

And it's all shed builds.

No one's done it for recognition.

They've just taken it out, he ate it,

put 900 horsepower through a fire,

five pot and gone.

I want to skid it around a track today.

That and worthy for me, 'cause I was in

stance getting towards the end when I got my

license on my car.

2014, 2015 YouTube stance edits of worthy.

There's nowhere else in the world I could

wish to be more.

That's what we've done in the UK scene,

as it were.

If you go to different countries,

they were all very specific about how the cars looked.

UK, anything goes.

You have the JDM, the OEM, the stance,

the big body kits, and I think it's coming back.

I saw a post earlier from Adam C,

and I think it was a course.

It was a voxel with the most ridiculous

exhaust, not ridiculous in a good way.

It's a car on top of a snake.

It's a sort of thing that would have been

done back then, and everyone would laugh at

it and go, "That's ridiculous,

isn't it?"

And the whole car seemed sort of,

you would look down upon.

I feel like it's coming back up again.

It's a bit more bolt-on, bolt-on and

stick-on, whereas that was, even though I'm

not saying this was the height of engineering

back about it.

It's absolutely not.

But it was a lot of time, a lot of effort,

people were painting things,

it was a lot of fiberglass involved.

It didn't work.

But there's a lot of work that goes,

it's not just I bought a splitter or I've

riveted on smarches or I've just stuck a lip

on the back.

They have the whole built-not-bought argument

came in, or you've just got on the cover

'cause you've spent 30 grand on it.

But if I could have spent 30 grand on a car,

then I would have.

I'm only building it because I can't afford

to do what they've done.

So you can't, when you were chatting the

other day with Robin about the whole

of what you've done.

Yeah, I've spent 30 grand on it.

Yeah, I've spent 30 grand on it.

Yeah, I've spent 30

grand on it.

I've spent 30 grand on it.

Yeah, I've

spent 30 grand on it.

Yeah, I've spent 30 grand on it.

Yeah, I've spent 30 grand on it.

I found a photo, 'cause it was camera back

then, and I've probably not pronounced it on a negative.

And yeah, it was shocking.

Yeah, but you don't.

Also, we've said a few

times, it's gonna sound quite,

I don't know, choose to say

this, but I think you gain taste through age.

Oh, good,

yeah, yeah.

You have to make those mistakes at 17,

18, 19.

Now, I was, if there are people doing the

same things at sort of, you know,

like 50, 60.

Yeah, then you can't be out.

I think you possibly could that you could

have moved on from there.

I think it comes down to patience a lot of

the time as well.

Yeah, yeah.

I wanted a modified car, so as soon as I got

a car, just throw it all on.

And money, like when you're 17,

18, you've got five pounds to spend on a car.

The first two years of me driving,

I probably had five cars, all modified,

badly, badly modified, but I wanted it now,

now.

You just wanna do something different.

Yeah, once you've got out your system,

you go, right, let's take our time,

and let's get it right.

Get an XFR.

Get an XFR.

Stop it, stop it.

I was teasing me.

I was gonna say, the point where you said

that I think modifying cars better is coming back.

I agree, and I have a theory on why that is,

and it's that exact thing of people learn over time.

I think getting into cars became trendy five

to 10 years ago, where people are like,

cool, modifying stuff, so I can go and get a

lip, I can go and get this.

And those same people who were putting

accident splitters and wrapping a car red and

going, sick build, bro.

I'm now getting a little bit more longer in

the two, so I'm going, that wasn't actually that good.

I will now spend a bit more time learning

about what might look good and doing a better

build and a better build and a better build,

'cause I do think builds are getting better again.

If you go to a car show now,

if you go to a show now, even go to caffeine

in the machine, back, call it four or five

years ago, when we started going to caffeine

in the machine, we could be mean for a good

hour and a half.

Oh, easy.

We could walk around and be like,

"That's horrible, nasty, why have you done that?"

Where as now, I'll go, "That's quite nice."

That's weird, I don't usually like that,

but that's quite cool.

I went to car shows, when would it have been

probably six, seven years ago,

and there wasn't the variety,

it was, "Look, I've got a Focus RS,

I've got an orange one, I've got a blue one,

I've got a white one."

And that was it.

And you go, "Okay, love the car,

but I don't want to see 30 of them in a row,

all working the same."

So the Focus RS, the ST, Fiesta and a Corsa,

and that was all anybody seemed to drive or modify.

And we probably did

go for a stage with it back in the day with

like the Saxo, the Saxo era,

everyone had a Saxo.

But then people found different things to do with it.

They found different things.

The one that we saw, and he submitted it when

we were at Carter, it's the snakeskin Corsa

with suicide doors that are,

that you open the door by pulling the

Ganondor wing mirror back in half and it

popped like M3 style mirror,

you pop that back, it opens.

I now don't care that the base car is a six

grand Saxo, it's now a genuinely cool need

speed underground to looking thing.

And I like it.

That's cool.

That's a long tangent.

That's a very long tangent.

I don't even remember where that started.

I don't remember where that started.

I don't remember where that started.

So back to the news.

It's unrelated.

Yeah, we know I do.

Anyway, we're moving on to the talking points

and things that we've discussed or the way to discuss.

Focus RS8.

I came across this for the first time,

I think it was on Instagram.

Never heard of it before.

Mark 1 Focus.

US Ford, of course they didn't get the Mark 1

Focus, well they got the Mark 1 Focus but not the RS.

And they had an S-E-T which was a ZX-3.

S-E-I-T, yeah.

But randomly, I think there was a new engine

that was going to go into Mustang basically.

So they just decided to put it in a focus.

And again, this is almost in max power.

Even like the course that you're talking

about, you see that kind of thing.

They took that VA and were like,

right, I'm going to take a European Focus,

we're going to put it in that and make it

real, we'll drive.

And there are videos of this thing driving around.

And obviously that just sounds mental.

It is a proper VA.

And it's all factory looking,

the interior is all factory looking,

the engine looks great in there and it works

and there's videos of it driving around.

I just think there's a little cars like that.

There must be a load of manufacturers,

people that have worked manufacturers doing

testing, whatever else, there are those mule cars.

There must be so many of those.

There was also a, we've talked about a few

times in America, a focus of that generation.

I can't remember if it was a ZX3 or some of

all correctly in the comments,

but there was a nitrous, one that you could

buy from the dealer with nitrous.

It was called like an N20 focus.

It was like a mad body kit.

Yeah, crazy, it was Celine I think.

It was Celine or Roush, but I think it was Celine.

And you could walk into a dealer,

buy this car kind of through Celine and it

had a nitrous tank installed in the back.

And out the dealership floor you could go,

press in the button, Waz and nitrous down the road.

That Americans, man.

Why can't we get that?

Surely Citroen should have looked at the UK

sales figures and got, yeah,

we'll put nitrous in a sack.

There was a mark one focus here that you

could get a body kit on.

Like a sort of almost max power,

toned down.

There was a collection, so those focus

collection bumpers are in mark ones.

Like a big kit.

And they've got the very weird looking bonnet.

That's what that's called.

I'd like to set homework.

We do like that.

We do like that.

Some manufacturers don't know always know how

to do it properly.

No, they don't.

I remember looking back now,

I think they'd done a good job,

but they didn't sell.

It was the Proton Satria.

Oh, with the kit?

With the bolt on arches.

Came at completely the wrong time,

horrendous engine.

But at a certain point, it looked cool.

Yeah, yeah.

Because people were doing that.

Yeah.

It's the same, yeah, with the saxos.

If you look at a ditty little normal saxo,

whack.

A VTS or a VTR with the kit,

I will still look at one of those and go,

"That's cool, man, I want one of those."

If I see a normal saxo, I don't care,

but the one with the kit, that's nice.

No, there are still, if I get a sort of D

level, it's like how you get in modern day

kind of equivalent was how you people buy

M140's brand new, and it would come with

lower insprings and spacers and a lip kit.

But it's a brand new car with a warranty,

but it comes with from the sort of stance

package, warranty.

But we used to work with a guy,

Tim.

Yeah, yeah.

We used to sell versions.

They sell versions, but it was quite

interesting when he, these are like brand new

stuff, but they sell dimmer cars.

Yeah, dimma kits.

Which surprise can you explain for,

let's say, an American or something like that?

A dimma kit is a quite wild wide body kit.

Yeah.

It's meant to sort of look like a 205 T16.

Group B rally car.

Group B rally car, mid-engine,

four-wheel drive.

But these were going on, front-wheel drive,

GTI, whatever 205 you wanted,

really.

They were sold on two-wheel drive studios.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but this was a ridiculous wide body kit.

And so they do look really cool.

Well, when you have the wheels to match,

the image wheels, the big-fished guys,

they look amazing.

What numbers would you go for?

106, 205, 306, dimma, the 306.

205.

205, dimma was pretty cool.

306 is the hatchback, like a 2000s tight,

yeah.

Yeah, that was cool.

Now, I like that.

That was cool.

Because it's like the Maxi, the 306 Maxi,

which is like the rally car.

Rally, yeah.

They look faster than they are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're just such nerds.

Yeah.

This is tough.

Yeah.

It's bad.

I'm out of people that are

just, just-

But what are you talking about?

So,

Americans going, what A, what's a Peugeot,

but D, what's a

306?

I feel like I brought the whole era back down.

No, I know.

So, 20 years ago, it's-

There was this thing that we used to do.

Next on the list is, I'm being haunted by

Blue Focus ST.

Okay.

I'm being stalked by this, but it's a Mark II Focus ST.

It's either painted or wrapped,

I think it might be like a satin matte blue.

I'll be honest, if you listen,

I'm sorry, I don't really like it.

I'm not respecting your build.

But I see it every single day.

On the way-

And obviously, on my commute,

I can understand it, right?

Yeah.

Because we might be just be happening to be

traveling at the same time.

But the other day, I was out on my

girlfriend, in a different area.

In a, this is probably only 20 minutes from

Ireland, but still in a different area.

I'm driving along and it drives past.

I was like, "There's no way."

Also, it's recognizable.

Yeah, you know, yeah.

It's very focused here.

It's got like tinted headlights,

black vents, you know, there's no identical other one.

And I see this car every single day.

Every day, I've only been in this place for

like a month, every day I've seen this car.

And it wasn't, I didn't think much of it

until I saw it in a different area.

And he's always going the other way.

Check the plate.

It could be five different ones.

With a common modification.

I'm never following it.

In the other way.

That's what's more bad.

It's not a dick and a Range Rover.

But if you listen, if you know someone in

sort of, I don't know, area that is greatness

and an Amazon, that kind of thing,

you know, as a blue folk city,

tell them to go away.

It's not following me.

But it's also because you, there are probably

10 cars like that every single day,

because they're normal.

You don't notice them.

Yeah, but he stands out.

But where is it, sir?

But it's when it was a different area.

Yeah, it was off the back of his track.

Yeah.

And he just appeared.

I was like, no, you're following me.

So it's a car from my part, it's something

I've owned many times and he's just driving

past me, didn't like that.

Now let's say they walked up to your door and

said, look,

1:11:06 The Blue Focus ST Mystery

I'm trying to get rid of it for granted.

I don't want that car.

I don't want that car.

I don't want any more part in focus,

I need to stop.

That's done now.

Your focus is chapter stop.

It's chapter stop.

It's chapter stop.

Chapter stop.

It's chapter ended.

Okay, perfect.

For £4.80.

Yeah, for £4.80.

The next one, it's a sort of new story,

sort of not, it's just kind of correlated,

it's got four wheels.

I came across a new story this morning about

someone who has their van trapped in London

in the after two years.

Oh, I've had the same story.

It's very like a 40 grand or something.

It's not funny.

It's stuck in a car park.

It's not funny.

It's not funny.

It's mildly amusing.

I don't actually know what it is.

Guy owns a business, bought a van for said

business, drove into London for something.

Again, this is great information.

I feel like you skimmed and scanned over this

story quite a bit.

Someone buys van, owes them lots of money.

Man buys van for something, drive to London

for something else.

But obviously in London, not much parking,

so there's lots of funky, weird parking solutions.

And this particular place has got this really

old parking thing.

You drive it and it moves your car about.

It's almost like a Fast and Furious Japan Tokyo trip.

Oh,

my van?

Oh, my van?

It's lost.

So he's parked his van in this thing.

All good.

It goes away.

He just hasn't had it back in two years.

He plays it.

We're just going to get getting it ready.

When they say the case was like,

"Oh, my van's traps.

I thought it's been in there a couple of weeks."

He's like, "No, it's been in there for two years."

And he's tried to go to the company and they

refuse to do anything.

It's broken, basically.

And they haven't fixed it and he can't get

his van back.

But he said he's paying like three,

four hundred quid a month on this finance

deal for this van.

Nothing you can do about it.

But did the parking company also want payment?

I don't know to be fair.

I didn't read that.

I read the headline.

It was hilarious.

Yeah, you can't have your van back.

Also, you are a 10 grand.

You're going to take this van away.

It's suspended in mid-air.

I can't take it.

I didn't really think it was a thing in

London, those types of things.

No, I didn't.

I wasn't expecting parking things.

If you see a video of it, it's wild.

It's like it's something from,

you know, if you're from the 80s,

that's how you'd imagine 20,

25 would look.

But yeah, that's crazy.

Oh, I would be raging.

Yeah, because there's nothing you can do.

Now, give me my car back.

Nothing you can do.

Because if you go in there and fix it,

it's all better for them.

Yeah, that's it.

That would really, really nice.

I want to know what else is trapped in there.

Yeah, is there anything cool in there?

Maybe we should go and do some investigative work.

It's not the modern day barn find.

Yeah.

Well, that was at a CSL.

It was the M3 CSL and it's similar.

In London in a car park.

I can't remember what the actual story was.

The owner knew about it.

They just didn't really care.

And he caught wind of the fact that everyone

was obsessed about it.

And they went, oh, I'll bring you a fix it now.

Yeah, and it's driving it again.

But it had like 800 miles or 1,500 miles or something.

So, track van, that was the next one.

The next thing, it was a music video that I

talked about in the last podcast.

It's been found.

And would you like to eat perhaps some

absolutely little bit of humble pie?

It's exactly the video you said.

But for context, it's a snow patrol video.

So, snow patrol used the video.

Rondezvous.

Yeah, Rondezvous.

And yeah, it seems like something quite

annoyed by that.

Someone sent it to me on Instagram.

I will tell you the name because you deserve.

of your flowers.

Well, we're at this one.

So, last podcast we were talking about music

videos with cars.

Do you know, can you remember any of it?

Was there any that you remember being like,

"Oh, that's cool."

Tom Baxter, that was the guy.

Thank you, Tom.

Thank you for the closure.

Music videos with cars.

Were you big inter-like music videos?

Big inter music.

Okay, but not so much the videos.

Not so much the videos.

Yeah.

What's your main require video?

No, it doesn't really float my boat.

No, okay.

You could watch it without the sound on it.

Yeah, and then it's great, and it's just like

the top gear episode.

(laughs)

I'm sure there are many that I'd appreciate.

Yeah.

But not, yeah, not off top of my head.

That's all on the, I think, anyone else know

anything about anything?

Anything about anything?

Ben, you're up.

It's a forum question.

Time for the forum.

I think it is time for a forum question.

So if you're listening, first time listener,

first time caller, we like to do a section on

the podcast where you, the viewer,

can ask us horribly affected car nerds a

question with no judgment.

It can be a practical question,

how do we fix the timing chain of our Jagexafar engine?

I don't know what's aimed at you Tony.

Or why do we feel the way we feel about cars?

Ben, you haven't hit the button.

Ben has got the stick of truth.

Tony, I'm very sorry you can't hear that

'cause you're not wearing headphones.

It said, it's a forum.

Did you do that with just silence?

It was Ben just whacking a button with metal stick.

Okay, this is from Spotify from a man called Carl Draper.

Hello Carl, your tools are quite good.

(laughs)

Nice.

I think we actually had Carl before 'cause we

had a Draper before 'cause someone said

you've drove 'em.

Oh, okay fair enough.

That was the question.

It's from Romeo.

At what point do mods become mods that you

have to clear on the insurance?

For example, there's the pedantic rumor that

having a stick on the car will invalidate it

but there's, but do things like swapping,

what?

Do I think?

Bro decide that.

Not sure I can read that guys,

I'm very sorry.

But do swapping things like suspension

components over to more race spec matter?

Surely it's just upgrade and essential part

of the car anyway.

I have always heard that rumor as well that a

sticker could invalidate your insurance

because it's technically a modification from standard.

And if, I don't think they would,

if you have a bump, they're not gonna go,

well that sticker, I mean, they're gonna pay you out.

You're gonna take it off aren't you?

Just be honest.

But insurers are searching for,

I think some way to get out.

I think if there was something big,

you'd done something big and they're really

looking somewhere, they'll of course,

they'll go, nope, that's not originally,

shouldn't have done that.

But the thing I always want,

is how, okay, let's say you buy a car and

someone swapped the dampers from a later car

that are a little bit upgrade,

like a same model, they're OEM,

but they're like an upgrade from a different

car, 'cause that Fiat, the Abarth that we

had, my girlfriend's one, has the FSD,

the later dampers, those being swapped on by someone.

If she bought that car, she'd have zero way

of ever knowing that.

So do you need to, what happens then?

If you crash, then they go, yeah,

just check you got the FSD dampers,

these only came out in 2012,

so can't have this.

Everywhere I saw it, I think it was when

ensuring a car, 'cause they gave it like a

definition of like, this is doing it,

just so you know, this is what a modification is.

And they mentioned that can even be an optional extra.

Yeah, yeah.

So like for example, like this Merc or

whatever, it has an optional actual wheel,

you'd need to tell us that you have the

optional actual wheels.

Yep.

I think in the UK, it's really,

it's just, it's a gray area.

Yeah.

Very extremely gray area.

In the US, I think it's a little bit more

based on what caused, it has that caused the

said accident, where he'd be like,

ah, you've had a crash.

Ooh, but is that a different,

you've got a subwoofer in that?

That's what it made you crash.

Oh, the base actually threw you off there.

Why is it that insurance is,

it's a legal requirement.

You have to have it in this country at least.

You must have insurance, but it's not regulated.

It can be whatever you want.

I'm going one insurance company and trying to

show my car and it can be a million pounds.

The other one can be 20 quid.

I believe, I truly believe insurance in this

country is, this is a conspiracy in a way.

It's a scam.

It is a massive scam.

If you're paying a thousand pounds,

you have a sticker on your car.

That is a joke.

So Alex, sorry, just brushed your shoe there.

Alex is with a company called custodian.

I'm speaking to them at the moment about my stuff.

You see how much of a scam it is by normal

people when you speak to a specialist because

they go, "No, we don't care about that stuff."

They just say, "Okay, if you've modified your

car, how much power has it increased by so we

can understand generally, is it now a 300

horsepower course would be?

you're going to die in or is it just,

or do I need to tell you every nut and bowl?"

You've just done a bottle kit,

you're fine, don't worry about it,

go enjoy your car.

That's fine.

But then you speak to a Viva and they go,

"No, no, optional out of wheels.

That's seven grand instead of one."

So when I built the Corsa, that was one of

the big things.

How do I ensure it?

Because I used parts from 20 different cars

to build that car.

And so I went through Adrian Flux.

It was the biggest, you know,

car out there that we could use.

And they basically said, "Just send us a parts list.

If you were to have an accident in that car,

what would you require to replace it,

to rebuild

it?"

Which is literally what insurance is for.

That's what they're there for.

And it didn't.

But they'd already given me the quote to

ensure the car.

All they wanted was the engine,

the engine size and what car it was.

Anything on top of that.

It wasn't them trying to profit from it.

It was them trying to protect my investment.

They were doing what I'm paying them to do.

They were doing my vehicle.

Are there insurance?

Hold on, I can't understand.

You want to do what?

Yeah.

We want you to pay us lots of money and we

might need to show the car.

I think the way they looked at it was,