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C.R.E.A.M. #34 - Ft. Richard Porter | Grand Tour Rumours, Top Gear Secrets, And The Nerd Off

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  • Edwin
  • Will

0:00 Grand Tour Comeback

There's been Grand Tour rumors.

Are you involved in the new

Grand Tour?

And is there anything you can tell us?

Anything?

I've got to be quite careful because I think

I am still

under an NDA.

We get a schedule.

And we finally sorted out a date.

If you visually, you can see two beats behind us.

Two under beats.

One of those R-rit is Richard,

so we'll get to that in a minute.

Smith & Sniff.

We got one half right here.

And there's a little bit of a nerd-off

probably going to happen today,

and we're really looking forward to it.

So, Mr.

Richard Porter, could you please introduce

yourself other than being a car nerd?

What are you?

That's all I am.

Beyond that, just face.

Yes, my name's Richard Porter.

I am a writer and a podcaster now with Smith

& Sniff, which you just mentioned.

Thank you for that.

And I do scripts, I suppose most notoriously,

I was the script editor for Top Gear from

2002 until 2015, and then I did the same job

for The Grand Tour in the Clarkson-Hammond & May era.

But I also do sort of script-y stuff for

other TV shows that I don't really talk about

because they're not how interesting,

or I'm not allowed to.

And I write books.

You've owned?

I've owned.

Only two of the books.

I've never actually moved on to the third

boring car trivia.

But it's one of my favorite things that I have.

I never, so Richard has a book called boring.

It is called boring car trivia.

It's called boring car trivia because the

first one was done during one of the COVID

lockdowns when I was bored.

And I just punted it out on Amazon's

self-publishing platform, which was great

because you can just do it yourself.

One of the things that was particularly

joyful about that was because I've written

lots of other books for sort of proper publishers.

And I could imagine if I went to a publisher,

I'd like to do a book called boring car trivia.

It's a bit off-putting.

Could you think of something else?

But it's like there was no one to stop me.

So I did it.

And the other thing about calling a book that

I think the first one was called a

medium-sized book of boring country.

It was not a really stupid title.

And after that, they've just been boring car

trivia two, three, and four.

But the great thing about having that title

is it's liberating because then nothing is off-limits.

So I was doing one for the last one or the

one before when I was just listing the engine

orientations of successive generations of

Volkswagen Passat.

Because if you remember, they sort of went

long ways and then crossways and then passed

long ways and then crossways again.

And I stopped myself.

I was a bit like, oh God, this is a new level of boring.

Maybe I should take this out.

Actually, no, I shouldn't take it out because

the book is called boring car trivia.

Of course, it's going to stay in.

It's like this is almost the perfect fact for this book.

So also we as car people are quite aware.

We're quite self like we will admit how,

I don't know, whenever someone,

if someone had been a party or something,

someone would be like, oh, you're into cars.

I'll be like, I'm going to stop you there

because you don't want to talk about it.

It's boring.

We're boring.

Let's move on.

Well, I always think with things like that,

that, you know, those, those high charts they

have at the entrance to roller coasters that

say you must be this tall to ride this roller coaster?

I always think when someone like,

I used to get it for, there's a period in

your life, I think, when you end up going to

a lot of weddings.

And for a period in my, I guess early 30s,

I would form myself at a wedding sitting next

to some random guy and he'd go,

you know, we'd sort of get chatty and he'd

go, you like cars and I'd go,

yeah, I do like cars.

You'd go, I like cars.

I'd want to go stop.

You must be this nerdy to ride what it's

about to happen, okay?

If you go, yeah, I've got a 320D,

I really love cars.

You know, my favorite car I've ever owned,

Cavalier GSI.

And I'd be like, a cab.

Right, I'm going to stop you there.

In the 80s, Mazda sold the Mazda 323 under a

made up name because they were built in South

Africa to avoid input restrictions.

What was it called?

If you can't tell me, we're going to

talk about something else, anything else.

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And they go, I'll read this.

I read you this.

Which speaking of, I have a fact for you,

we posted a video, perhaps you might know this.

A Mark II Ford Focus RS came in which colours?

Ultimate green, frozen white and,

oh, frozen white and ultimate green and

performance blue and then Panther black and

then Panther black, but why was it called ultimate green?

Because it was the best green because Ford

were rallying with BP, BP ultimate,

they made ultimate green.

Wow.

That's the fact that someone posted their

comments in a day and that is the sort of

stuff we love.

I'm not as keen on the colour now.

No, that's just a BP, it's just a marketing exercise.

I don't like that at all.

Ultimate green was great until I knew about that.

It feels a bit dirty, doesn't it?

I'm corporate marketing.

I'm driving around in shell,

yeah.

Hang on, was that car not in orange as well?

That was the ST.

Oh, yes.

Electric orange.

Electric orange.

Asbo orange as it now is.

Yeah, yeah.

So for any of you listening who are apps more

casually interested in cars,

yup.

This is what it's going to be like.

And also, unfortunately, if we cut to Ben by

the camera, oh, wait, we can't,

Ben's not here.

Ben's not here.

So unfortunately, we don't have any,

any muse to stop, to stop the car.

No, because I saw one of those code rotavia

medical cars out on the road and he was just

preparing to ram it with a bulldozer for some reason.

He's out on the streets.

He's on control.

Stay vigilant.

So we've done a little bit of a preamble,

but we haven't answered the question.

We haven't.

single Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast.

Also, Richard, you said you've listened to a

podcast or two.

Yeah, I listened to your podcast.

We also, we actually both do listen to Smith and Smith.

I also listened to the other shots,

because God, you're really dedicated.

So, but at the beginning of every single

podcast, we answer whether they rule cars,

rule or ruin.

Perhaps, Richard, would you like to start us?

Sorry.

Also, a bit of ADHD.

You have chosen on the screen behind us,

Colin McCray rally.

Yeah.

So last game that I sort of seriously lost

vast tracts of time to.

And you've got, I don't know what's going on here.

One of those things, you know,

the sort of little earworms that are in your

brain, and they may pop out at any time,

years later.

And they're often triggered by something

completely unrelated.

But in sort of, what was it called,

like, learner mode or whatever in this game?

You had a scoda fabric, I think,

or a...

Okay, the old one.

The boxy one.

No, no.

Fabia?

No, it was pre-fabia.

That's the thing.

It was a...

Oh, shit, me.

What was the...

It was called...

Fabia, anyway, it doesn't matter.

Those front wheel drive, small scoders,

in a car park, basically, with a lovingly

rendered sort of eight-bit portacab in on one

side and cones.

But if you just started plowing through all

the cones deliberately, Colin's voice would

come on and go, "Stop messing about."

And sometimes I'll be going about my day now

in much older adult life.

And for something will make me think of Colin

McRae's voice going, "Stop messing about."

I'm

quite a superstitious man, so this I don't

want to be

too cocky, but I am in maximum rule.

Okay, interesting.

When is this podcast going live?

Not this Thursday, next

Thursday.

Oh great, so I can talk about my new car,

then.

A new car.

I love the way you're faced with you.

I bought the beat here.

I meant to describe that.

You also own a Honda beat.

I also own a man over six foot.

He's also decided to insert himself into a Honda beat.

You're a man who, like me, who is constantly

asked, how do you fit in that?

In the other one.

So I bought the beat a few months ago,

weirdly from a place like just round the

corner from here.

Really spooky.

I didn't know you were here and this guy sold

me the beat.

So obviously that means that rules.

It's lovely.

And I just had a, I mean, I did,

I set my Google Maps to avoid motorways.

Yeah, I do the timing.

Exactly.

I do think it will sit at 70 miles an hour.

And it is weirdly steady.

Do you know what the, have you got the factory limiter?

I've not checked.

Mine is 83 miles an hour.

You can't go anymore.

Oh, no.

Yeah, it's interesting.

Yeah, you watch that.

That is an E60 M5.

I thought that is.

I thought we were being invaded.

It also sounds like a boiler on its way.

Now.

So, but you've got a new car?

Yes.

Let me take it from the top.

There are, I think, four reasons why cars

rule for me at the moment.

One, the beat.

It's sunny out and I've got a beat and that

makes me happy.

You're beating.

Two, I have just secured, I think,

some new car storage, all valuable,

which is in itself a delight because it is dry.

It's nothing fancy and it is quite cheap,

but also crucially, it is 10 minutes from my house.

That's nice to have.

This leads me on to three, another reason,

which is a rule, but it's a rule based on

excitement because I have an end of days old

Land Rover Defender, so one from 2015 on the

heritage ones.

That's very nice.

That's been in a very expensive storage place

near London for three years because I put it

there temporarily and then never got it back

because it's so far away.

I moved house further away from it.

Yeah.

And then for forgot to go back.

Yeah.

But you know, when you leave something in an

old house, the new buyer or renter or

whatever will go, you know, you've left this

CD rack or something.

That's just to happen to me.

But the car storage place, they're happy to

keep taking my money.

And I was a bit like, I'll find somewhere

nice and dry to put the Defender because I

don't have a garage at home.

And once I've done that, I'll get it back.

And it's taken me three years to do that.

So point three, I'm getting my Defender back.

I'm going to go and get it probably next week.

So that's great.

I'm very excited to have that back because I

love that car.

The children love that car.

I can't go anywhere then.

Randomly, my daughter, who's seven,

will go, Daddy, when's the green car coming back?

Because she knows we still own it.

She just knows it's gone somewhere else.

It's gone to a farm.

It's a far away.

It's a play with the other different people.

It won't be around anymore.

Yes.

We have abused defenders on this podcast.

We have, very briefly, the Defender community

got briefly angry at us.

Yes.

I vaguely remember that.

Are you ever comfortable in a Defender?

Yes.

Really?

I don't have a problem.

When people go, "Where'd you put your right arm?"

next to my body in the usual place.

Yes.

I stack them.

No, I don't have a problem.

I think I'm just a defender,

because I'm quite tall, but I'm not particularly broad.

Yes.

I just, I mean, I've done loads of miles in that car.

Like, you know, sort of motorway trips up north.

But in the late one, right?

It's a PMAP.

So, Puma.

It's a bit nice.

It's a lot nicer inside.

Yeah.

Not they still make it.

I was on the Land Rover website the other day

for some reason.

I think I was trying to figure out their range.

I was just going through it and I was like,

"What's what?"

here.

Let me get the layer of the land.

And I was going through it and I thought,

"It's an old defender."

I went, "Sorry, what?"

It just said, "New classic defender."

And I thought, "Have I stumbled upon a piece

of news that no one else has found?"

But I think it's like Land Rover works.

And it says, "Based on a year 2012 to 2015

defender, the price is off of the ridiculous."

It's like two to three hundred thousand pounds.

It's V8, do whatever you like.

They looked at the car and he went,

"Hold on."

There's some money in this.

He just never stopped.

Guys, we have stopped.

We can carry on.

You mean making new ones with the same name?

Keep making the old one?

I like the sound of that.

So yes, they do, don't they?

They're V8 and they're auto.

And I know someone who bought one and sold it

very quickly afterwards.

Because they're not very good.

Apparently, I'm not driven one,

but I was told that he's just not a good dear

disappointment.

Mine's not that.

So 2.2 Puma, six-speed box.

It just bumbles like it's a 90.

So you constantly just think,

good thing, good thing, good thing,

moving back and forth.

But yeah, I can fit in it fine.

I don't have a problem.

My mate restores them and I've tried so many

times to get rid of them and I just never have.

No, it's probably because I've only ever

driven a series two that's held together with

tin and wires.

But it feels like that's what they are.

Whenever I see a defender man,

woman, anyone on the motorway or any road,

they are steering wheelers here.

Their arm is pressed like pushed up against the window.

A little bit of fog on the wheelchair.

Just fog everywhere.

And there's just three other people in it

looking equally as miserable.

Wishing that journey would just end ASAP.

But yeah, maybe I haven't driven one.

So maybe I need to.

Maybe we have to do it for a video.

Just actually driver.

I don't know.

I'd be interested either.

You'll just go.

Okay.

Yeah.

I get it.

Oh, more likely you'll go.

This is bloody awful.

And you'll never drive on again.

Yeah.

But that's fine.

I'm not going to pretend it's a good car.

It's not.

But you like it.

Yeah.

It has a personality.

And I think it also, it is in whatever mood you're in.

Because on a day like today,

when it's nice and sunny, and this evening's

going to be, I think, a lovely balmy early

summer evening, driving across the English

countryside in that defendant with the

windows down is somehow just a

moment of zen for me.

Liquid England?

Yeah, it really is.

Yeah.

It's like, I don't want to sound as all

brexty about it.

But it is.

And American couldn't do the same thing in

America with a defender.

It wouldn't work.

It wouldn't make sense.

Americans would get that warm and fuzzy

feeling from, I don't know, maybe a Corvette

with the roof off, or a pick up.

Or a pick up.

Yeah, yeah.

So, or a Jeep Wrangler or something.

Yeah, yeah.

No, absolutely.

But the defender makes me feel warm and fuzzy

in a way I can't explain because it is

technically a crap car.

But for me, it's the same thing with the beat.

The beat is not a good car.

No, it doesn't make any sense.

It's very slow.

It's shit, really.

Yeah.

But I love it.

And if any, and I never want it to go

anywhere, because I love it.

Would, have you ever, or has anyone ever

asked to drive your beat and you've sort of

gone, I am, we, you've talked about it a few times.

There is a, Misha in, in Germany,

he reviews cars.

Yes, yes.

We have, he is essentially a car cuck.

Sorry, now he is not the people that give

their cars a car cucks.

I never thought of it like that.

But yes, you're absolutely right.

I'm asking a man who's a professional to

drive your car as hard as possible.

Yes.

So I don't wish to sound front of you.

Exactly.

As you, while you watch.

But I, but with my cars, I, I'm,

if someone is interested in driving it,

I'm happy for them.

And have a go in it.

Yeah.

So I let everyone, literally the beat,

the beat is for anyone who wants to have a go.

They may have seen many drive the beat.

But there is one condition is that they must

touch 9,000 up here.

And it is the only deal with it.

Yeah.

Otherwise you will get out and go,

what's the point in this?

I don't get it at all.

Hey, you say that, but I, I don't say the

novelty is ward off.

But what has happened is sit in the,

in the few months I've had my,

I've realized you don't have to drive it like that.

No, you don't know what the water falling on me.

But I, I, I drive it around town shortly.

shifting.

Yeah, yeah, around town.

Yeah.

And it's amazing how I'm going to say

tractable, which is one of those words that

people only ever use in relation to cars.

Yeah.

Low refs, but tractable is like good.

That's only one reason you say it.

That's only one reason you say tractable.

But yeah, I was, I've, I've finally got into this.

I've realized that I can just row the beat.

Yeah.

It's fine.

It's, although I was, I was thinking this on

the way here this morning's the first time

I've driven mine in the wild.

Let's, we won't make this a beat podcast,

don't worry.

But the, it punishes you when you're on it.

Yeah.

It punishes you for doing anything other than

shifting at nine.

I shifted at seven and it went,

eh.

Yeah.

Sorry.

I just shifted at seven thousand off the air

when you're going, that wasn't enough.

Not for me.

So I love it.

It's, it's great.

I haven't had the cam belt changed on mine yet.

I've got the kit from Japan.

Okay.

And because I'm not as handy with cars as you

two, I'm not going to do it myself.

Right.

Even close.

So I've got a guy lined up to do it.

I just need to have it.

Okay.

Because when I bought it, I said,

the guy I bought it.

Do you know when the cam belt was done?

No.

No.

It revs to nine.

I think you need to probably be

aware.

Anyway, fine.

I'll get it.

So, so part of it was like, I won't rev it

too hard until I've had the cam belt,

but it's so hard to resist.

Oh, please.

If you'd like to, is yours, does yours go to mine?

Or is it the eight and a half?

Because there's this, an ECU upgrade that

essentially allows it to go fuel cup up to the top.

I was led to believe, no, I haven't.

I'm too chicken because of my cam belt.

I'll go to.

probably eight, four in the road,

every so often.

No, I was led to believe that they will

happily go to nine.

I didn't realize you had to mod them to do that.

Well, I think it was basically a,

like the equivalent of like pulling a fuse in

an SLK back in the day where it's like

everyone did it.

So it's, they're all basically ready for it.

Right.

But some of the early ones, because this

still has its electronic limiter at 83.

Yeah.

So it won't go further than that.

Be able, it will happily go to nine.

Could it?

Could it?

How troubling do you think it would be beyond 83?

I think it won't do much more.

I think you might touch 92, 93.

What sort of revs are you at?

You work like seven and a half.

Okay.

So you're getting...

So it's got revs left.

Yeah.

Oh, absolutely.

You're midway through.

Exactly.

9K at 100 miles an hour.

That's the thing about driving on the

motorway is not that it's not good for it.

Cause it will sit at 70.

And I did it on a dual carry's way today.

It was, and I took my hands off the wheel and

it just tracked absolutely straight and true.

And it's like, that is quite remarkable,

really.

Cause there's some cars that aren't very good

at that and they're supposed to be.

Yeah.

It feels cruel that you're keeping it at one rev.

Absolutely level.

I don't like to personify cars,

but I

have multiple times thought,

I'm sorry.

I will go for an overtake.

Someone's doing 68.

I'm not dealing with this.

So I'll go around them and go,

oh no, you're just sitting at 8000,

please.

What I'll do is that I'll slow down a bit for

a while and then speed up again just to try

and give it a variety.

So that'll hold you for too long.

You've been a good boy.

You will be rude.

revving.

Yeah.

So the fourth thing is that I've bought a

new car, which I was going to announce on our

podcast,

which will have come out Monday just gone.

Okay.

So we're

allowed to know.

And people will have seen this car,

perhaps, on Johnny Smith's late break show

all over last

weekend or last Sunday night when it's gone live.

Johnny, you better not have screwed me on

this because we go, it's where that organ is,

particularly because the late break show is

obviously Johnny's solo thing.

Basically, Johnny did this barn final car.

He knew it would be right at my street.

He video called me from.

Oh, you mentioned this on one of the podcasts.

Did I?

You've said that you called him for,

and I can't remember if he said what it was.

I don't think he said the car.

Because it was the same person,

sorry, this is very, you got to be worrying

on both channels now, where he had the car,

the house was full of memorabilia.

Yes.

That's right.

Oh, I can remember what it was.

Okay, well, please put the car.

I need to know the car.

It is a 1985 MG Metro Turbo.

Oh, that's very good.

Yes.

Oh, that's very good.

It's sat for 30 years in a dry garage.

Color?

White.

Oh, it's the

good one.

Our room white.

Because remember those turbos,

like it's a pre facelift.

It's an only one.

Yeah.

So it's a box here.

Yeah.

So it's a box here with the bigger

headlights, the amber indicators.

Personally, I think I prefer that look.

It's like OG Metro, I just like that.

They actually get a bit more old person.

Yes.

The closer they get, the sort of 90s,

that's when they get a bit old people.

They also become a little bit chavvy,

the later ones, the early ones.

Even if it's a GTI or anything.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

That's cool.

So it's white, but then the turbo has the

black lower half with the wheel extensions

and an air dam, as they used to be called.

And the graphics down the side.

80s, fantastic.

It's also got an LED turbo boost gauge inside

the instruments.

And for some reason.

Yeah, it's a glan cleanser.

So it's...

Baron, I've not even seen this car in person yet.

Johnny's vouched for it, and I just made the owner died.

So the family are clearing out the house,

they needed the car gone.

This is why they contacted Johnny to dig it

out from the garage.

So I made them an offer, essentially.

and I'm going off photographs and the good

word of Johnny Smith, which is,

you know, he's got an eagle eye for rot and

he's got it's clean as a whistle.

So he sent me one of the first photos he sent

me was just a close up of the turbo boost gauge.

And I noticed interesting typography choices

they've made.

It's turbo in lowercase and boost in uppercase.

Turbo boost, which I really like.

Yeah, that is, oh, that's very cool.

We both, we both like those.

I mean, you have, you have an attachment to

metros anyway.

My dad is building a six or four replica tow thing.

So he has a chassis, which has got all the

sort of difficult stuff done with the big

strut towers at the back.

And he's got the doors from a metro and I

think a 20,000-odd mile metro gave his life.

Oh, God.

Many years ago for it.

And he bought it on eBay to build.

So that's in Italy at the moment.

But yeah.

It's in Italy.

Yeah, it was a, I don't remember if we've

mentioned this on the podcast.

It was one of the scamiest sounding things.

Sorry.

I just realized that.

The reason I have my computing is to pull up

photos for you guys.

So that is, is that?

Yep.

That's the one.

Oh my.

Yeah.

Mine's a B-reg.

So it's a late Mark 1.

But that's exactly it with those turbo

graphics on the door that sort of the letters

overlap really 80s and red seat belts.

Nice.

That's all I've ever wanted.

You are, you're an English car man.

Right.

Well, I mean, you are wearing a BL shirt right now.

I know I am.

And I would like to have this exact logo.

as a tattoo.

To scale in the middle of your chest.

No, no, no, no.

But it's just that it remains.

On my back, because I'm going to have Nigel

Mansell on my chest.

With chest hair as eyebrows,

obviously, isn't it?

I have a manscaping job, but it's durable.

A mansalscaping?

Yes.

So, am I British car?

I suppose I am.

I mean, I don't.

Well, obviously the Honda's not British.

True.

Although I was told on reasonably good

authority that some thought was given by

Rover in the '90s to importing the beat as a MG midget.

Oh, that's interesting.

I actually had no idea.

I don't know how seriously this was taken,

but they definitely had one.

They had a yellow one.

I know specifically they had a cool.

And when they did this project,

they had this idea, they'd modernized the old mini.

And the first iteration of that had,

I think, a bike engine in it and a modernized interior.

I can't remember if it was that one.

Oh, definitely the second one.

That got thrown away.

Because they decided that BMW came in and

went, "No, not sure."

But they did a second one.

These cars were called the Minkies and the

second Minkies still existed.

So the museum in Gadia Minkie.

Nice.

And the second Minkie, they took a mini shell

and they widened and lengthened it.

They let metal in through.

They caught cross-bundered.

And then fitted a K-series engine.

Oh, really?

Okay.

And they gave a

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new dashboard and it had the instrument pack

for a beat.

Really?

You can find pictures of this online or you

can go and see the car.

It's in the Gaiden Museum.

Oh, that's really cool.

It still exists.

We've been...

We've been to Gaiden a few times.

I've been there.

Well, I'm trying to think I would remember first.

Yeah, I would.

Well, I saw a beat cluster.

I'd be like, in fairness, first of all,

as though it's been wind and lengthened,

it's such a subtle job.

You wouldn't know it.

Yeah.

It's called Minky II, I think.

And it just looks like a mini with a...

The only thing that's different is it's got a

weird sort of front, like below the bumper,

it's got a little bit of extra metal work.

So I don't think it's always on display.

It might sometimes be in that,

you know, there's like rare groove collection

they have out the back.

that you can get tours off, but it's not.

Is this the way the workshop bit is?

Yes.

I think so.

We normally, if we're over there,

which is quite often, it seems,

we go through the window.

It's in that Minky II, and it's got a Metro

or one hundred, Rover 100 wheels on it.

And it's got a case series.

I remember when this was 2014,

you will probably know this.

They were doing a clear out of the factory,

and they found the R53 prototype that BMW

have claimed we designed from scratch.

Yes.

And yet, the Rover Pro prototype was

literally a mini coupe, the new mini coupe of

the 2000s, but with a riveted on supercharger

scoop and halogen headlamps.

And that was, I remember seeing that and

going, you've passed it to BMW.

The smoking gun was that it had Rover branded

glass in it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that was the original plan.

I guess then they sort of went to a phone,

Pilkington, have that redone.

But yeah, I don't think it's not a massive

secret that Rover engineers did all the hard work on.

There is that.

Yeah, that's it, isn't it?

That's ridiculous for BMW to go.

That was what Rover to pre BMW had come up

with and they'd be able to both hit and then

went, "Nah, we got to redesign this,

Alfa."

I think so.

Well, they, BMW already owned them.

But what they did do was just go to Rover,

get on with it.

Yeah.

So all that, that's a pre product,

a prototype, a hand-built car.

That was all done at Longbridge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's other photos online of like a bunch

of bunnies standing around the first body

shell they made.

And it was all done there.

Yeah.

And then BMW Gwen.

Yeah.

We'll take the credit for that.

Yeah.

So yeah, no, it's a bit, 'cause obviously

those first minis drove really nicely as well.

And it was like, well, that's 'cause Rover did it.

Obviously BMW's drive very nicely as well,

but better on go.

Well, of course it drives.

I see it's a BMW.

It's like, no, no, they don't know what they're doing.

Yeah.

I'm Bridgion Gaiden.

It was a bit unfair, I thought.

But in the most roundabout way,

you're a rule.

Sorry, that's gone on for about two hours,

doesn't it?

But yeah, no, I'm on maximum rule because I

love my Honda.

I'm really excited about my Metro.

As a sentence, lots of people don't a lot.

I'm excited about your Metro.

And I'm really happy to get my Defender back

and I'm really happy I've got some dry storage.

Nice.

To be fair, that is a rule week.

That's a big week.

It's a big week of rules.

Will you?

I'm going to go with a rule.

I can't remember where we were last week,

whether I was on the GAN breakdown.

Yes, you had had them again.

I've now fixed them again, it now works.

And it has a nice race car looking shifter so

I can go and do big down shows.

It's like a tall one.

Yeah, it's like here.

Nice.

Yeah, it's neither the white knob on it as well.

William McCrae.

Yeah, it's great.

I showed my girlfriend and she looked at it in dismay.

She just couldn't understand why,

because you can see all the linkage.

Yeah, she's like, why is this?

Objectively, it's worse.

For living with in a car that drives on the

road, it's worse.

It's better for changing gear if you're one

of us, but it's harder.

Yeah.

I was at the middle of a drive and I went to change GAN.

I noticed, I just realized I was putting a

lot more effort into changing that gear than

I usually would.

I was like, that's not really the point,

but it feels a bit.

It feels a bit.

It's great.

I didn't want to change the gear.

I know what, two hands for reverse.

I'm

pretty, I'm a similar, small,

but rule is

the E36.

I managed to get my final bits of bodywork

done on

it and I lowered it down on the weekend.

I managed to achieve 90s BTCC fitment and I'm

so very pleased and

excited for it.

I can't wait to get the engine.

There is an engine just over there somewhere.

That's going to need to get built up and

thrown in that car.

No more buckaroo.

No more buckaroos.

No, that was, I got very lucky with that.

It was someone commented, I need to find it

for the video and put the screenshot in

because I

need to pay your dues.

Yeah, you got it right.

Someone in the comments section was right.

Surely not.

Surely not.

Surely not.

Surely not.

I leave you to it while you insult

the listeners.

I guess what, I'm going to delete that

covenant credit.

Very often a week to have.

I'm still, this does make me nervous though

because the beat's going to explode on the way home.

Well, just to spite me.

There'll be a parts car here,

you can mix them out.

You can just harvest it for organs.

I need as many parts as I can get.

You're going to be on the way home and go,

what about $9,000?

He tricked me.

It turns out they only go to seven.

Just keeps going and you find your cam belt in orbit.

So we have come up with a list of questions.

We do feel like we're in a job interview with

two laptops.

We're kind of a bit millennial,

Gen Z.

I was going to say normally it's prepared to be normally.

We don't have questions for each other.

No, but we thought we'd prepare some

questions for you so that because we've got

lots of nerdy stuff and questions we were asked.

And obviously there's top gear questions.

We've probably been asked a million top gear

questions before, but we want to know things.

There's always questions that surprise me

that I haven't been asked, though.

There are some here that I'm confident you

haven't been asked.

This one possibly not, but what cars from top

gear didn't turn out either how you wanted or

you wished it was in a different way or a

different car, either for a challenge or you

put forward a car and they went,

no, a changer.

Oh, God.

I mean, we did that thing.

It's not a very well remembered item because

it wasn't very good where we tried to make a

Renault Avon Team lap faster.

Sorry to interrupt Trevor, the owner of this

we've talked about at the podcast was in the room.

He was working on the car with you guys.

He was there.

Oh, okay.

He was the TVR specialist.

Right.

Okay.

Now, I have a link.

That is an interesting link.

Well, it's definitely not Trevor's fault.

It's just not a very good item.

I don't know.

I don't know what was going on there.

It's very well known amongst if you are

hardcore car nerd people.

Yes.

That was amazing because they did.

But again, also, you probably have car nerd

people picking holes in it going.

I bet they weren't running minus three

degrees in their hand on the front.

Yes.

I can't believe you didn't do that.

Yeah.

I know.

I mean, that's not the car's fault.

That was probably the right car for this item.

I suppose it was the item itself.

Just didn't quite hit the spot.

I don't know.

I haven't watched it for years,

but I don't remember

it being very good.

But cars, cars that didn't, I don't

know.

I mean, what was the special?

Was it the, we're going

to find the source of the Nile and they had a state car.

The 850R WRX and it was a 528.

face.

And that was just one of those things where I

think I wasn't in the office for a week or something.

And I came in and they went,

right, we're going to do a state car.

And I went, why?

And I think it was Jeremy to just come,

we should do a state car.

Let's do a state car.

Everyone likes a state car.

And I just don't get it.

I just don't get it.

Can we think of something better?

No.

I was like, no, but seriously,

we could just, we could do, I'm sure there's

something a bit more exciting than we want to do.

And then it was like one of these things quite often.

The presenters just got, you know,

the bit between their teeth and they got all

amped up about stuff, which was one of my

favorite parts of making the show is when

we'd suddenly settle on a type of car we

wanted for something.

And then we'd just sit there,

quite often just the four of us and just be

on auto-tradio.

What about menaros?

How much you can get a menaro for it?

It was almost like, sort of,

we needed one of those kind of,

like, what am I thinking of that,

like sci-fi type sort of minority report war?

But we didn't.

We probably had our phones.

And we're all there, go, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Hang on, we haven't thought about Elisas,

no, they're too expensive.

What are you talking about?

Just this frenzy of excitement,

just four car nerds, just getting over

excited about what you could buy for something.

To be fair, the literally is describing

exactly what we do.

Yeah, pretty much.

Which is the same thing.

I mean, that's it, isn't it?

It's just Johnny Smith, my podcasting

partner, was staying at my house the other night.

And we stayed up late just on auto-trader.

It's like, it's the only way it's kind of a

wholesome way to spend your time as a car nerd.

But the other hand, just go,

are we wasting our lives?

Because I got to the point where for some

reason we were on, you know,

on Australia, you could do the drop-downs.

Anyway, I was on Toyota and then I just did

the drop-down because there's lots of models of Toyota.

Once you take account of all the JDM stuff

they have on there.

Yeah.

And I was just trying to find the most

obscure JDM Toyota for sale in Britain.

It's just like, why am I doing this?

What is wrong with me?

I sometimes look for cars for sale.

I just look for all cars and then look nearest.

Yeah.

I want to know who has cars for sale near me.

Yeah.

I can drive past and go cars for sale.

I know your game mate.

He's selling up.

He walks out.

We do it quite often.

It's how I think I know that we're probably too far.

God is that we'll go, I saw this red Calibra.

The one with the in front of the car park and it's there.

You know the car already.

You've seen it independently of each other.

You've found the advert.

It's that's ridiculous to know someone else's advert.

Yes, I know that feeling.

And also obviously auto trader as well.

Sometimes you really bought just go all cars

and then set price low to high.

Just to see because obviously it's a load of

spares or repairs stuff.

I like the ones that are normally a price typo.

So you know, they will never sell it because

they haven't checked.

They've got a 45 grand Audi A4.

Yes, 2003.

Why?

I've seen it.

Well, I tell them.

I don't think so.

It's a Bentley Continental GT mate.

I'm pretty sure it's not for sale for £39.

£95.

You've put the dot in the wrong place.

You guys talk a lot about doing auto trade stuff.

Do you frequent Facebook Marketplace,

the best place on earth?

Is it the best place?

It is quite for us.

I feel a bit mucky going there,

but yes I do.

I was saying, I can't remember who I was

saying it to the other day.

Facebook Marketplace now is Gumtree back in the day.

Okay, that's interesting.

I think Gumtree was worse.

Gumtree was worse, but Gumtree now is

literally No Man's Lamb.

We will do it where we're looking for a car

and we go through and classic,

we go through eBay, we look at the auctions

and one of us will go, is it time?

Yes.

All right, I'll go, I'll do it.

I've remembered me and go into Gumtree.

We actually bought a Civic Type-O last year off Gumtree.

And the mileage was rolled back.

There was more filler on it than bodywork.

He was Civic Type-O.

And when I turned up to look at the car,

he went, now here we go out in it and he hit

the limiter four times.

Oh my gosh.

He literally went, yeah, look.

And at this point, the only stone cold.

Yeah, no, he was like, I'll give it a minute

to warm up.

And it was a minute.

And yeah, but I went, cool, I'll give you a gram.

Just to save the car from you,

I will give you a gram.

It's, because Johnny told me a thing about

how prostitutes advertise themselves on

Facebook marketplace as the guys of ladies

dress for sale or something.

You don't have to click on those though,

Richard.

He's got these dresses, trying to fight these

damn prostitutes I'm looking for.

But no, it's, I think like going on to

Facebook marketplace, when you're doing one

of those just idle counts around the

internet, it's sort of, it's like being at a

house party and you go, well,

we've drunk all the beer and we drank that

blue nun wine that we found.

And Facebook marketplace is like,

oh God, should we open that weird purple

spirit that someone brought back from all day?

You know it's not going to end well,

but here you are anyway.

Yeah, to be fair, we buy most of our stuff off Facebook.

Yeah, it's great.

It's not, but it's great.

The car I saw in the recently,

it's probably still there actually,

'cause if I hadn't just bought the Metro,

the next thing that was in my sight was a Toyota Century.

Some slightly obsessed with them.

I think I saw it today.

Was it 15, 4, 9, 5?

Yes, I think it is.

It's got the feather duster and stuff.

Did you see it on Facebook?

I saw it on Facebook too.

It's on auto trader as well.

And I think I only discovered it was all

traded belatedly, but I saw it on Facebook

marketplace and immediately thought,

well, that car looks great, but it can't be

'cause it's on Facebook marketplace.

Then discovered it was on auto traders,

a bit like, oh, that has a veneer of

respectability to it, which makes no sense.

It's still on Facebook marketplace,

but it's almost a bit like, I guess the

owner's just trying every avenue,

which is sensible, but somehow it makes it

grubby that it's on the marketplace.

Yeah, that's the one.

Look at the driveway, the neat driveway for us.

Also, the taper, the take out across the road.

Exactly.

It's actually working out every morning and

going, what the hell is across the road?

Oh, no, I think it's no.

Or is it?

Okay.

We are.

Only on sea, big importance,

in essence.

Now, only on sea can be quite posh in places.

This looks to me like a nice street.

Everything about this car, to me,

says that you could trust the person who's selling it.

But obviously that could all be smokering.

And for those of you, just because it's on Facebook.

Yeah.

That's seeded the daras in my mind.

If it's on Facebook, you're not buying it.

Yeah, it's been used in two robberies in a murder.

That's where TDC comes in.

What kind of century are you saying?

I quite like it.

Okay.

So this is another one.

Nice tangent on that one.

Yeah, big tangent.

This could go on for a long time.

Another question.

I don't think you've ever been asked this.

Did you write the joke?

Charles Peugeot 405@Sitron.com?

No, I think James May did.

Oh, okay, that's good.

I can't.

That's one of our favorites.

Yeah.

I can't remember.

But my instinct is that that is a very James May joke.

Yeah.

James May has a wonderful sense of the absurd.

And when we used to write, that was in the

news, I think, wasn't it?

There were lots of bits in the news that are my favorite.

Oh, bless you.

If we keep going, we'll find one that was mine.

Because we used to sit and watch the show,

and I watched my now wife, and I would sit

there and watch show on a Sunday night.

Which sounds a bit egotistical,

but you sort of had to watch the show because

the edit would only be finished sometimes that day.

Usually the day before, yeah,

because we shot.

Shot studio on Wednesday and they would be

sort of all bolted together.

Oh, of course, yeah.

There's a lot of fiddling and finessing.

And so there was no opportunity to then watch

it before it went out.

And it's fun.

It's like, for me, particularly,

it's like, well, it's out of my hands now.

There's no script needs done.

This is the editor's and director's department.

So you watch on a Sunday night because then

on a Monday morning, we'd be all in the

office to discuss the show, do a little bit

of a debrief.

So you needed to be sort of up on.

Yeah, you mean ever you were out because it

was like you're at a wedding or a party or

something, having to go, yeah,

yeah, I don't like that.

That part where it exploded and everything

that you have.

He said power and everything.

But we used to sit and watch it.

So there would be some line by my

girlfriend's time we'd go.

That's funny, was that one of yours?

Did everybody have to go?

No, Richard thought of that one.

Only last.

I only loved him at their joke.

Yeah, it was.

And I said, I think she's finding out which

bits I've written so she could just do this

to annoy me.

So no, I should have just take credit for it.

But a legal right to measure children,

that is one.

That's a classic.

Without doubt, that's...

What was that in?

It was car seats.

Yeah, I just remember the full context of it.

Yeah, it was, there's news that the police

cannot, they're not allowed to enforce it

because they do not have the legal right to

measure children, but James can't get through

it because he keeps laughing at a single time.

I can't say no.

There are so many, we've talked about it.

There are top gear compilations,

obviously, online.

There are millions of them, but there are

some that are just some of the punchlines and funnies.

And we have said that that is...

Oh yeah, I'm not, so there's a compilation

called Top Gear Lofts.

The guarantee it has now five to 10 million views.

And I've watched it at any time.

This might sound a little bit sad.

Any time I've ever been down,

I'm not joking, I will go and watch it

because it will instantly put you in a good mood.

I've said it before, if it doesn't,

you're broken.

Yeah, you're broken, you're broken.

I'm like that with that

compilation of Hackettie dog things.

Do you know him, the

dog puppet off CBB's links?

No.

Go, Hackettie, Little Dog bloopers.

He's a dog puppet who's very sassy and a lot

of the time he copes, one, I can't remember his surname.

It's just the famous "We're normal men"

thing, if you don't know that meme.

Which is normal men.

And it is in the bloopers, 'cause she

completely loses, obviously does that brilliant snort.

But there's a whole load of them where,

'cause it's obviously the puppeteer,

I can't remember his name, Phil,

something that puppeteer is doing the voice.

I think he's just a very freewheeling guy.

Do whatever he wants.

And there's one bit where she goes,

"What are you in for your tea,

Hacker?"

And he just goes, "Goose."

literally blindsides her and then she loses it.

And it's lots of that.

That's my cheer up.

So this is now on 4.2 million views 13 years ago.

This has been around for a while.

So I get a quid every time someone watches

it, I remember.

I wish.

I absolutely jacked idly nothing.

But there is, 'cause I went on a thing with Ben Collins.

And because he was the stick,

he might have mentioned that I should look up

the stick intros because he'd said something

to me in advance about, "Oh,

I wanna talk to you about the stick intros."

and I found that someone has comped together

every single stick intro.

And I put it on on my laptop while I was making dinner.

And it was a bit like, at the end,

you know that bit in Father Ted where Father

Dougal just goes, "Ted, I'm going mad."

It was like that for me.

I was like, "Oh my God, I'm having such

flashbacks to a vast chunk of my career."

So those were mostly your...

Those were mostly mine.

It was one of my responsibilities was to

assemble a draft studio script on a Monday,

I'd usually do that.

And I'd choose to the presenter would come in

and we would do sort of fleshing it out,

we would do the news which we'd have for sort

of a stack of press releases and we'd just

sit in a room and try and make each other laugh.

But there was all this sort of housekeeping

stuff like we need to introduce the stick,

we need to introduce the guest,

we need a menu at the top, we need to get in

and out of these films.

And I would do all that and sort of then show

my homework to the presenter on Tuesday

morning and they would kind of go,

"Yeah, I like that, but what about this?"

Or, "I don't want to say that,

can I say this?"

Or whatever, then we'd just dismantle it and rebuild it.

So my goal was always to try and make the

presenter's laugh as soon as they read the

stick intro, and maybe the guest intro as

well, Jeremy, because he had to do those bits usually.

And if he laughed, then it was a bit like,

"Yes, I'm in there, that's okay,

we can leave that now, that's done,"

and move on to other stuff.

So it was a good sort of, you know,

test.

The menu at the

top was that tonight.

Now, how far in was it before you realized

you could just do absolute bullshit?

Well, those together as well.

I can't remember.

It was an

ongoing thing.

It was almost that entire thing was a bit

like an in joke, because our executive

producer Andy Wilman,

the running gag that Jeremy was just saying

was, Wilman believes that the menu at the top

of the show, the show is like a green

grosser's shop, and the menu is your freshest

and shiniest produce on the table at the

front of your shop.

You draw people in with your shiny green

apples and your luscious red strawberries.

You need that there.

and you two are putting manky potatoes and

light bulbs and dog turds there,

'cause you think it's funny,

and it's not drawing people in the shop,

and we were like, people are coming in the

shop anyway, so you don't know what top gear

is by now, and they'll either like us or hate

us, so it's time to dick around.

And the more we dicked around and the more,

because what we'd do is we'd get the script,

the presenters of me, we would get the script

to a state, we were happy with it,

and then on a Tuesday afternoon,

we would do what we called the read-through,

the whole office would gather in a room,

and the presenters would read the studio

links out to see if the joke sort of landed,

and it would start with the menu,

and Jeremy would start to make a great

theatrical thing of it, juggling his script

and then go, "Tonight, I wear a hat,

James smells a rabbit, and Richard stands by a wall."

And Will would just go, "Oh,

for God's sake."

And we would delight in that,

and next week we're gonna make it even more stupid.

But were there more laughs for that than when they were?

Yes.

Look at the early shows, it is quite

sensible, isn't it?

In fact, I saw one.

I don't know how I saw this.

Maybe I was watching a compilation of intros

or something, but there was a bloody awful joke.

We had Jordan on in the first,

second, third series, maybe.

And I think we used, in the menu,

we used a clip of her going off the track,

and the line was something like,

"And Jordan makes a boob on our track."

And I was like, "Oh my God."

It's like 1973.

What the bloody hell?

I mean, I know it was a long time ago now,

but not that long ago.

That is a bad one.

line.

And I hope I didn't write it.

I don't remember writing it,

but I would have been in the room.

Maybe I did go, maybe I was off the track.

But generally, they were quite,

you know, they were the green grocery shop

with the nice shiny green apples at the front.

It was, and the Ford Focus ST,

rips it up on our track.

It was like meant to be a sales pitch.

People go, "Oh, I want to see that."

Whereas, laterally, it would have been,

"And our orange car!"

Or something stupid that just doesn't really

sell it all.

This thing, or lots of people always think,

"Oh, YouTube is so different to TV."

But that is essentially what you have to do on YouTube.

You have to have it in the first 10 seconds,

whatever.

You've got to keep people in.

But we always wonder, how does that work on TV?

It's not on YouTube.

You've got everything.

You've got people commenting below.

You can see how many views it's got,

how many people have liked it,

all that kind of stuff.

I guess TV is slightly different.

Yeah, you just have to trust.

Well, that's the thing.

I suppose the cameras are very lucky that I

probably worked in the end of a golden era of

television in terms of going with what you

thought was right and not having constant

feedback from viewers because although that

can be useful, it can also, I think,

sell you a dummy sometimes.

Jeremy used to have this thing where he'd

say, "Nobody

hates you more than your biggest fans."

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think that's very true.

And it's because they're rooting for you,

but then it's almost like you constantly disappoint them.

Yeah, exactly.

If they expect something of you and then you

don't deliver that thing, that is not exactly

what they expect, they go, "What the hell?"

We used to have this with Top Gear,

and I have it now with Smith and Sniff,

where I sometimes go, "Why do people like us?

When were we good?

Where's this mythical, excellent episode we

did that just sold someone on us forever?

We never got better than that,

Ben."

And it's like, there wasn't one.

I just don't know.

And I felt the same with Top Gear.

It's been like, "What do these ultra hardcore

fans who love us but criticize us heavily for

what they see as failings to live up to this high bar?"

"Where was that bar set?

What's the perfect episode of a perfect item?"

And I'm sure they could tell you that a lot

of them could in a very sort of thoughtful

and lengthy way.

But we never get that in the comments.

The comments are short and punchy and critical.

And we only sort of came in on the tail end

of social media and comments.

And I count that as a blessing because,

do you remember there was a website?

Well, still there's a website called Final Gear.

Yeah, I remember being on it.

I was like nine or 10.

Oh, wow.

God, I, well, that, I mean, it was,

when did that star then?

I was in the UK, so that would have been pre-2008.

Oh, okay.

I think is when I remember seeing it.

I don't think we knew about it for a long

time and then discovered it.

And, you know, that is your hardcore fan base.

But obviously then it's your most critical fan base.

And I think for a while, we did almost

sometimes, you know, a new show ago,

and then someone in the office would

foolishly look at final gear and go,

"Oh God, they hated."

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they would, you know, we'd think we'd all

be collectively have more confidence in this.

We'd do this for years.

But then we'd be a bit of like,

"Why did they hate it?"

And then it just knocks you in that slight way.

We have the same conversation with everyone

who's ever done YouTube kind of ever is that

you will get a million comments saying,

"You guys are smashing.

I absolutely love you."

But the one person that says,

"I hate you for no reason."

You go, "Why?"

"How can I win you over?"

"Yes, I want you to like me."

"Can I come to your house and make you move?"

"Yeah, there is some reason."

"I mean, I talk to other people about this.

There was a great oatmeal cartoon about it as well.

That's exactly what you're saying.

You know, sort of million likes and million

people going, "You're the best thing ever."

And one person just goes, "Yeah,

didn't like it much."

And your whole ego comes crumbling down.

It's preposterous, really.

But I don't know.

I think as human beings, very few of us are

actually built to exist in this environment.

Oh, yeah.

It's, yeah.

The YouTube's even worse.

But yeah.

Actually, on that subject, do you get annoyed?

I don't know how much of YouTube you watch or

sort of keep up to date with,

but at the sort of Top Gear clones,

if you like, if you know what I mean?

'Cause I mean, I guess in a way,

it's, they're inspired by it,

but there's a lot of content that we see.

I mean, there's stuff we've done.

Of course.

That we've done because it's us reliving a

childhood watching Top Gear on the telly,

but I think we're in a different realm where

we can be creative enough, we do our own

thing, but there are a lot out there that go,

we're the new Top Gear.

We are now Top Gear for the social media generation.

Does that bother you that there's not as much creativity?

It doesn't bother me, 'cause obviously it's

very flattering, and I think it's a reminder,

for those of us who worked on the show,

of its resonance, which goes beyond anything

we'd ever have imagined, when we were just

making this show for a Sunday night on BBC

Two, doing the best we could,

screwing up quite a lot.

But getting away with it, mostly,

we hope.

But no, I watch your stuff, and I think this

is a nice possible way.

I think I can tell that you grew up watching Top Gear.

Absolutely.

But it doesn't feel like a tribute act.

No, yeah.

And I'm not saying that just 'cause you've

got my car blocked in person.

I need to leave tonight.

But genuinely, there are other channels as well.

The same thing, I kind of go,

I think I can spot in the nicest possible way.

I'm quite proud that there is a certain

amount of influence here, perhaps from

something that I was involved in.

And obviously, it wasn't just me as well.

There was a whole massive team of people.

And so I can't even go, well,

they're ripping me off here.

But...

In the comments.

There are a few.

There was one or two in particular where I

have watched it and kind of gone,

well, now hang on a sec.

I know how this sauce is made.

And I think you've nicked the recipe.

And I find that a hard watch only because A,

it's a bit like, come on.

Could you not have thought of something a

little bit different?

This feels like a real tribute act.

You know, this is, this is by Jovey as I

want, sort of sized in the window of a pub.

And it's like, I don't know.

I just wish you'd been able to take what

you've absorbed and put it through your own

lens, your own filter, your own

personalities, rather than slavishly copying.

Because some of it is slavish.

You kind of go, it's almost shot by shot.

And I know there's a guy in the US that I

know who said, that they, it was quite open about it.

He went, we were making some car YouTube.

We sat down and we analyzed,

almost frame by frame episode to top gear and

went, okay, then they cut to this shot here

and they use this shot here.

And this is what they do.

And this kind of music here,

they basically like, you know,

did a tear down on an episode.

So they could then like, you know,

like a sort of Chinese car company from 20

years ago, dismantling a Citroen ZX and go,

right, now we're going to make our own Citroen ZX.

And then you go, that Chinese car looks a lot

like a Citroen ZX for some reason.

And it was a bit like that with a couple of

things I've seen on YouTube where I did sort

of this thing.

You clearly, you know how to make good quality videos.

Why not use that power to sort of do the next generation?

Because there are loads of things and I'd

include you guys in it and plenty of other

people I've watched.

So I've been really impressed and kind of

gone, you know, it's sort of good that Jeremy

Richardson James have stepped back from car

TV now because there is a new generation

doing lots of really good stuff.

I think sorry to keep blowing smoke up your

glasses, but I love the fact that you two

know how to actually work on cars.

Well, yeah.

Well, you're better than me.

I'm massively impressed by somebody who can

even dismantle brakes or anything like that

and not die immediately when they set off in

the car later.

So that kind of thing where you're sort of

harnessing your superpowers and then using

that as your spin is really interesting to me

because it is not a clone of top hero or grand tour.

And there's loads of other stuff like that.

People who've sort of gone, we like that

show, we're inspired by that show perhaps,

but we are also us and we will do what we do

with a due sense that perhaps without,

because there were other car shows on sort of

when Top Gear was in its pomp.

I don't know.

We've said before that it's between kind of,

we are kind of a mix of Top Gear and Wheeler dealers.

Yes.

Realistically, that's our kind of other facet

that's quite similar to what we do is backing

around with cars that shit, making them a

little bit less shit, doing something with them.

But yeah, no, I think we said even this was,

well, we were behind the scenes at Carter at

all before, I don't think there was ever a

day at Carter at all where either of us

thought, at least for me, I'm gonna end up on

that camera.

No, it was literally a thing of,

hey, we get to mess around with cars behind

the scenes while every now and then we get to

help out on a shoot or something.

This is worth it.

But there was a thing beat down that I think

both of us were like, great to be able to do top gear.

And I think anyone that is into cars will feel that.

After watching any episode, they will go,

God, I wish I could do that.

Yeah, I mean, what you watch really guys

doing, whether it's the shit cars in Africa

or cheap cars or whether you're super cars in

Italy, people are gonna watch that and go,

if I had two mates to do that with,

it's this aspiration that if that was my job,

this is the greatest job in the world.

And obviously now people have YouTube,

they can sort of copy that in a way,

on the budget, and also I think comments a

lot from the audience, they will see two

people or three people on camera and near

cars and they go, "Bloody, oh,

this is just like Top Gear."

Yes, there's a bit of that.

And then sometimes people see that and go,

"We're just like Top Gear."

Yeah.

We should just do the same 'cause people are

scared to go outside of what they see as

successful car content and they go,

"If we do exactly what Top Gear did,

we will be a success."

But I don't think that's the way of finding out.

inspiration that we have from growing up,

but we do the stuff that we wanna do.

And I think the other thing that anyone who's

ever understood anything about Top Gear is,

at least that I think is 20% a car show,

10% a car show.

Yes.

It's mostly just mates sticking around.

And it's what--

It's causing the excuse.

Yeah, it will always boil down to if Will is

a stranger next to me and we don't get on,

it's not gonna be good 'cause I'm not gonna

be able to make the joke about the fact that

you like a shit car and I like one that's

also shit, but I think mine's better.

It won't work.

It needs to depend on you being friends,

not necessarily friends, but having chemistry

enough to make the car's beef people.

We get this with Smith and Sniff because,

again, I'd say it's supposed to be a car

podcast, but I think it's 20% on a good week.

But if we talk about cars too much,

we get complaints.

Really?

Yeah.

Bit car-y that episode, wasn't it?

It's like there are people, whereas if we've

gone, oh, there's a new, Renault 4 out and

then gone, but you know, the thing about

herons is, they're bastards,

aren't they?

It's like, people are a bit like good,

I'm glad you talked about herons being

bastards, 'cause they are, aren't they?

And it's a bit like, you weren't interested

in the Renault 4 though.

And we have a people go, look,

if I want to know about the Renault 4,

I'll go to a proper car podcast or a car website.

That's good.

But that, whatever you're doing is something

different, so roll with it.

And I think it's, yeah, the same is probably

true of top gear.

It's like, the cars were, no pun intended,

a vehicle for.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's funny you mentioned wheel of dealers

though, 'cause I think wheel of dealers is

the unsung hero of car shows.

I genuinely--

Doesn't get the credit it doesn't.

And also, 'cause I've got family abroad,

I also like, I grew up, I lived in Africa for

a while, but everyone abroad knows wheel of

dealers just as much as they tend to know top gear.

Really?

It's really weird, especially in Europe.

It's huge.

They are all, all my Dutch, yeah,

it's your China.

What?

Why do you know in China, why are you

watching wheel of dealers?

They're just in Holland, just watching a,

you know, a Mach five, Mach four Fiesta get

restored and get always put on it.

Why are you doing that?

Because they can't understand a word Mike

says, but they just sort of guess and they

look for the clues.

I think you would say it's 'cause Ed China is

the Dutch word for like lavatory brush or something.

It's so funny.

It's really possible.

I was thinking, and I did sort of have this

sense that, you know, even when we were

making top gear and it was a bit like,

we're the world's biggest car show.

And I was thinking, are we though?

'Cause I was kind of aware wheel of dealers

is covertly massive, just 'cause it's sort of

there, isn't it?

And it's been there for years.

And God bless him.

Like, Brewer just, he just gets on with it.

And he's very patient on social media with

people still giving him flack,

but where was Ed?

He's like ridiculous.

Leave him alone.

He's just trying to make a little bit of

entertaining TV for you every episode.

And I think they are sort of just there

flying under the radar.

Also, we've joked about it for what it's,

it's the meme that he doesn't for the love of the game.

Honestly, whenever Alex talks to him,

he's like, "I just like messing with cars,

man.

I'm just here to mess with cars."

Which is literally, I think that's basically

what we'll end up being.

I don't care if four people are watching us.

There'll be some sheds that I'll be under,

changing your good ball joint now.

And Facebook marketplace.

They'll be something new by then.

It'll be even more sleazy somehow.

There's openly prostitutes on there next to a

K11 micro for 300 quits.

And I'm here for both of them.

Someone's stop shop.

I'm sure we will have some more.

We'll move on to a section we have written

here as General Richard questions.

And top of that list, we have,

do you name cars?

No, good.

Fantastic.

No, I don't.

And I'll be honest, he's gone home,

hasn't he?

Yes, yeah.

I cringe when I hear Alex doing that.

It makes me, I just, I mean,

no, brass isn't too confusing because someone

will come in here and go, can you move Richard?

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know.

Why do you just ask him?

Richard, I don't know which it is.

The first time I ever met Chris,

our merch guy, it was with Alex at an event

and he had unknowingly sold a percette to

Chris and Chris.

Chris, Chris, what?

Chris, Chris, he was sleep-percettied.

So it was from Car Throttle and Chris,

I cannot remember the life of me what it was,

but it was like, "Oh yeah, I'll come down in Gregory."

And I stared at him and went,

"What?"

"Okay."

And Chris said, "You know, Gregory,

you worked with Gregory."

I was like, I'm afraid mate,

I don't know what you're talking about.

You went to Passat.

Okay, I understand.

Let me be clear, it's not called Gregory,

it's called Volkswagen Passat.

They named him before you.

They named him with names.

Taken care of.

I'm open to a nickname sometimes,

but when a car has a nickname,

if it has a cup, it's a widow maker or it's a pink pig.

Yes.

I'm open to that.

Where it earns a name.

Yes.

When you just go, this is my car,

his name is Dave.

No, no, no, no, his name is Volkswagen Passat.

I sometimes get in my beat.

I go, hello, little car.

Yeah.

No, yeah.

But I don't call it little car.

That's just what I say to it,

because it's a little car.

You talk to it.

I don't go, hello, Steve.

If you thought I would get a terrible name.

Steve, mate, you're a little bit cold this morning.

A friend of my mum's was half Japanese and

she called her daughter, Sakoru.

It was a Japanese name and I was put as a

really pretty name.

And I was always like, "Oh, if I ever have a

daughter, which I now do, I'd love to call her Sakoru."

But it feels a bit like sort of cultural appropriation.

But maybe I could call the beat,

if I was so.

Sakoru, that's his legal name.

Yes, exactly.

But the government name is possible.

But no, I can't, why do you not like people naming cars?

Like, what's the root of it?

For me, it's more, it's actually more the

type of, because of the name.

It's because it tends to be like this cutesy,

like, "Oh, no, that's just my little Joffrey."

No, no, come on, it's a car.

I think you can, you can make a car a person.

Again, like you said, like, if a car doesn't

work, you can talk to it.

And it's perfectly normal.

But when you start giving it a name,

remember, we talked about the advert of the

Jaguar and the man was selling two Jaguars.

Oh, it was.

And he had names for both of them.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

It was Jenny the Jag.

And I can't remember what the other one was

called, but he basically said,

I have to, he did the whole ad as if it was

the Jag in 12 years.

Oh, good, thank God.

I am called Jenny.

No, no.

I have to leave.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no,

no.

And if, yeah, I can understand it,

name and car.

I think it's something that you like to do to

solidify car in that way.

But that's what I get.

I've seen too many adverts of that to not

think instantly of, yeah, like instantly like

a shrivel up inside.

If you meet someone, you go,

oh, is that your MGB?

And they go, yes, that's Jennifer.

And I just want to go uni therapy.

It has a name.

The other thing I have a funny is the

equivalent of going, introducing your child

and going, this is my son James,

then I'm going, no, it's not,

I agree.

And just changing your beat.

Yeah, that's a different thing.

That's the thing, the guy selling the Jag,

'cause I once went to see a lady who was

selling some puppies, she was a professional

breeder, that sounds very seedy of a genuine,

some duck telling retriever puppies.

And she said, and if you adopt one of my

puppies, you must tell me its name

immediately or I shall give it a name.

It was a bit like, no, you bloody won't,

you're asking it, you're quick for these things.

But with the Jag guy go, and you must keep

calling it Jenny.

Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure you would.

Like, here you go.

Thanks mate.

I didn't keep meaning to ask because that

was, it was a car my granddad genuinely bought.

Yeah.

So I need to, he would have gone to see it.

I need to ask him how that went down because

that would be my name.

Even if the car was amazing and it was a

great deal, you still have to go and speak to that man.

Yeah.

Or woman or whatever it was and they have to,

they will say, Oh, my Jenny is for sale.

You won't take John away as well.

You wouldn't separate John from Jenny,

would you?

Well, John's a cry.

Those are headlight washes.

I wonder if their car gets crashed into?

They must be.

We were talking to Tony and I don't know if

it was in the video or anything,

but he said, well, I think I wasn't that in the podcast.

Well, they said they considered their smart

cars as their kids and the woman cried when

she left it.

It's getting serviced.

So people do, you know, people form bombs

with their cars.

That's completely understandable,

but I just can't.

I think you should just get like a dog for that.

Yeah.

A dog you can name and you can call it John

and no one's ever going to question it.

Yeah.

Because you can't just call it Ridgeback or Labrador.

You're like, I have to give this to you.

Make an model is no good with dog.

This is my great name.

What's his name?

Great.

Thank you.

I'm not in 83.

I think you're right, though.

It's

the Keatsiness, isn't it?

That's what's cloying about.

Yeah.

No, but and the manufacturer has given it a

perfectly understandable.

A group of people have, despite some of them

being quite poor.

At great expense and time as well.

They sat in a boardroom for hours and hours

and years and then you've gone,

"No, no, I've got them."

Not always great.

What was that thing we saw?

The symbiote.

Oh, the symbiote?

Oh, yes.

I said it.

I thought it was some sort of custom badge.

I didn't know this car existed and I looked

up and that is our thing.

It's the zed where they've gone,

"Oh,

the zed will make it more useful and exciting."

What are the kids doing?

But they have something to get a disease.

Moving on, we've got another big question.

Could, what specific car smell could you

identify immediately?

Oh, I don't know if this could either be,

you need to identify the maker model and year

or perhaps, you know, a specific glue.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, because that's the thing,

rather than type of specific car smell like

burning clutch or something,

but I mean, but you could smell and go,

"I don't know what that is."

Well, yes, definitely BMWs, I think.

Okay.

I think they have a, they still have a smell.

Fiats, '90s and 2000s fiats have a smell.

Do they smell like, is that the one that

smells like crayons?

What's the, there's something that smells like crayons?

Oh, yes.

That's quite well known.

Do they?

It's got these Volkswagen, it's Mark III Golfs.

I think they smell like crayons.

There is a waxy sort of smell to them,

yes.

It's funny, isn't it?

'Cause you don't, your brain can't really

memorize smell and you sort of,

you're trying to summon it up somehow

virtually, but, and definitely,

like, probably '80s, but '90s,

Rover Group stuff.

And in a way, it's a bit sad,

isn't it?

'Cause things like that, like '90s Rover or

'90s fear, what if it's all gone?

That smell no longer exists on Planet Earth,

'cause it's all worn off.

Yeah, the last bit of his best offer's gone.

And it's literally impossible to recreate,

because it's such an amalgam of specific

plastics and glues and fabrics,

and you just go, it would be,

I mean, you'd have to be deranged to spend

the money trying to recreate it.

I'd go into it, hell of a documentary,

if you were a rich eccentric person,

just go,

The quest was to recreate the smell of a '98 Punto.

Also, a Chinese car thing, that market enjoys

the new car smell, so they have to engineer

in using whatever glues and whatever to make

sure it smells like a new car.

Yeah.

Because if you wanted to, you could make it smell nice.

Yeah, nothing.

Arie was told that Chinese buyers generally

don't like new cars,

Oh, really?

And Dave worked really hard to engineer it

out, and Chealy, I think, were very proud,

only about two or three years ago,

of a new model that used no glue in its interior.

Yeah.

Because the glues are obviously a big

contributor to the smell.

They looked at you.

There's only E36 headlines at the 90s.

Yeah, copy that.

Don't need that.

Whatever it is, yeah.

Whatever a new car smells like is a new car smell.

Yeah.

You can never get rid of a new car smell.

No, no.

But here's our new car.

It has no new car smell, and you smell it and

go, "That's a new car smell."

Yeah.

"This smells like a new car."

Oh, god damn it.

Should we try for old cars smell?

Oh no, that's worse.

I mean, it's nothing stuck together.

Yeah, it's fine, doesn't smell of anything.

When I put the roof off of my Honda,

particularly, which I've only driven it like

three times with the roof up,

it definitely has a sort of old car smell,

but it's not an old '70s car,

even '80s car.

I think it's a very specific '90s car smell.

I agree with that.

There is a, we drive a lot of '90s stuff.

My next five inside has the same smell as the beat.

It's the same.

Yeah, it has a weird '90s smell.

'90s Roadster smell.

(laughs)

Yeah, and that's it.

Why is it not aired out?

I drive that thing everywhere with the roof down.

How is it not aired out?

What is in there making the smell?

There is something in there.

It's '90s plastics and glues,

definitely.

But I did, I tried to look into this.

I wanted to do a feature and it just couldn't

make it stand up and also probably it's too

boring even for me.

But into new car smell, what's causing it?

And it is plastics, it is glues.

But I did get to talk to some engineers who

said it's even because actually,

I think it was a guy from Toyoterie said,

we realize, and this is ignoring China,

that some customers find new car smell

actually a bit overpowering and unpleasant,

but chemically.

So the target is actually as little smell as possible.

And we have identified that even the

warehousing conditions where like the

dashboards are stored when they've been

molded, but are waiting to be shipped to the

factory can somehow affect, I guess maybe

because of the off-gassing of the fresh

plastics or whatever, the smell that results

in the car when it's finished.

Oh my god, this is so complicated and yet so boring.

Hermetically sealed dashboards needed from here.

The Chinese, the Chinese, China is just

filled with warehouses with vacuum-packed car

parts where they're like, I won't smell an

inch of that.

Boy, they hang the dashboards from a line,

like washing.

They air them out or like cured meat.

Exactly.

It's your dashboard.

There you go.

That doesn't smell at all now.

It's got a breeze through it.

Another one here we've got, what is all

litmus tests working out if someone is a car

nerd or not?

No, not really.

I think you've got a feel for it,

haven't

you?

But you can tell quite quickly.

Depending on their speciality.

Yeah.

I think a really easy, what would be the

opposite of a red flag, like a blue flag or something?

Green flag.

Green flag, the breakdown company.

And also the way in which you know you can

chat to somebody at a wedding because they're

not an idiot about cars.

It would be just very casually use a model code.

Yeah.

So I'll put that question in.

That's part of what made me think of that.

Someone who uses a model code or a mark,

a mark to or a gen two or whatever.

Yeah.

It's just, it's just the subtle codes.

And I think a model code, it's the unself

conscious way that you'd say it.

If you, I can smell somebody who's just learned it.

Yeah.

If they went, yes, I believe it was a W124.

Yeah.

Not buying it.

But this goes to confidence.

I don't want to form before that.

I want to.

You've dropped the W as well.

You know, because you know, I know.

You know, I'm not assuming it's an S.

I'm not.

It's not abbreviating the chassis code.

It's a B&W.

It's a 46.

Yes.

On E46.

Well, that's implied, isn't it?

Yeah.

It is an E46.

The other thing for me is a subtle paint code drop.

Oh, gosh.

If it's a, especially with BMW,

B&W people are bad for it.

We're like, yeah, the hair is black,

E92.

Like, lovely.

Lovely thing.

I'm on board.

I know what you talk about.

We're all good.

We did it to bed the other day with him

talking about the M4.

We're like, was it San Marino?

What car are you up to?

Is it a comp or not?

I can't, I'm not good on bidders.

I can do Techno Violet at 20 paces,

but otherwise I'm not.

I'm not strong on bidders.

Old, you know, BL stuff.

Someone showed me a picture of this Range Rover.

They bought a 70s Range Rover and I was straight away.

Is it Bahama yellow?

Yeah.

I knew it.

Tuscany blue bar.

If someone uses the wrong sort of designation

for a mark, like, if it's a BMW and they go,

that's a mark two, three series.

That's not, no one says that.

But it's, but it's so wrong.

So, so, so wrong.

So, so, so wrong.

But I hate you.

Please use these numbers.

It's so weird how that is absolutely unacceptable.

No one says mark two, three series.

And yet, I would say if you went,

oh, you're mark two micro, that's okay.

Even though K11 would be the correct higher

dog whistle of car nerdry, but mark two micro is okay.

You're not going to call them out on it.

But it's like a cultural thing where it's

like, yeah, okay, you're fine.

But you must learn that there is a way that

we say it that it's correct.

Yeah.

are only in marks, please.

Yes, they are, aren't they?

Even though, you know, you sort of would,

you know, or polos or whatever,

and you'd go, yeah, it's a 9N.

But you don't need to.

It's okay because it's super.

They're marks.

Yes.

Yeah.

Everyone knows a mark for super.

I might start doing the marks now in the

wrong way, just to be annoying.

Just to be annoying.

It's a mark for the S class.

We were talking about the Ford ones the other day.

And we were talking about no one actually has

no nose, a particular generation of Fiesta.

Yeah.

So I'm going to go to mark five.

You go, I was at the mid 2000s one.

They go, no, one about the early 2000s.

Well, because there's, there's great sort of

civil war about these things,

aren't there?

But at the same time, no one really knows the

model codes properly, do they?

Yeah, that's interesting.

No one's assumed a chassis code to solve it.

Mark one, one day.

Oh, there's, there's the original and then

there's the big headlight one.

Yeah.

And some people might call it a mark two.

Yeah.

But nobody goes, no, look, I'm still talking

about CDW 27.

Because, which I, you know, it just is,

but it's like, I don't know.

I always think marks in Ford's it has to be a

can actually as a complete chassis change,

but no, because Mark two Fiesta is just a face lift.

And also internally in Ford,

the Cortina Mark five was never called that by Ford.

It was the Cortina 80 because it was just a

big facelift for 1980.

So they just decided now we're not.

Yeah.

I'm not following this anymore.

Ford themselves don't know.

We're in no man's land anywhere.

The manufacturers go.

I love that Porsche have just gone.

Yeah.

We're just using chassis codes now.

You've got to have to learn.

Yeah.

We go by number.

Yeah.

That's number all the same number.

And they're all very similar numbers.

Yeah.

We might throw a point two in there just to confuse you.

We don't care.

It's not point two.

I wondered if Ladbrooks or Betfair or someone

would take the odds on what the next 9/11 will be.

I had this exact...

'Cause they're running out.

A few years ago.

Yeah.

'Cause there's no way of knowing.

We had a discussion the other day.

My girlfriend went for a job interview at

Porsche and they're just behind the scenes on stuff.

I was teaching her the model codes,

which was tough.

That was pulling teeth in the nicest possible way.

She was going, "So is a box that is as convertible?"

"No, no, no, a 9/11 can be convertible too."

"Oh, what's going on?"

But in the end, she went, "Okay,

so a 9/8 one is the same as a 9/9 one,

but a box to version."

And I went, "Hold on."

Yes!

That's exactly correct.

Whatever the 9/11 is, minus 10 is what the

box during Cayman is, except for the 718,

which makes no sense.

And then I came in and told Will and Ben,

they were like, "Yeah, yeah,

that's the thing."

I've never realised that before,

am I?

I actually can't remember what our client is,

but someone's a 9/5 one.

Yeah, and someone used a number on that,

and it was alien to me.

We shouldn't be using that number for the

Cayenne, I just go, "Is it the ugly Cayenne

or a 9/5?"

Well, under there have been W's,

I'm okay with the saloons in the E numbers,

but X5, I have to really think about that,

because I just sort of like X5.

Is it?

Is that the second one?

That's the second one.

X5 A.

It's much easier marked it.

X5 is always like that, it's allowed,

because I can also picture them quite clearly.

But yeah, I don't Porsche, have you ever been

so bored that you've started at 9/01 and

tried to go up and see if you can think of

every four people?

Every single one.

It's harder than it looks, isn't it?

You get very drowning in the teens.

I did it the other day for just Audi's.

I was like, okay, so you can get,

I think you actually talked about this every

recently on a podcast, that you can get A12.

3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

And then Q, you've got no one,

but you've got one.

There's a Q1.

Is there a Q1?

There was an A1 and now it's gone.

So it starts a Q2.

There is a Q1.

Q2 is the, I don't like the Q2,

because that's the one with the really far

apart tail line.

Two, three, the slot.

There's two, three, four, five.

Yes, six, no.

No Q6.

Yeah, there's a Q6, isn't there?

It's one of the each one.

Because they had this thing where it's like

odd numbers are going to be petrol and even

numbers are going to be electric.

Anyway, no, that's too confusing.

Sorry, we've changed it.

It's like, you only started doing it last year.

I had zero, zero understanding.

I don't know that's the thing.

There is this danger now that that's just a

quantity of Audi, isn't there?

Do you feel, I feel this recently.

I feel like I'm losing my touch.

It's like a pro basketball player watching,

you know, the young bucks come in,

you know, you deserve him.

There was a time, again, like top gear

generation, where there wasn't a car on earth

that you could confuse me.

Yeah.

I was going through libraries,

I was looking at cars only sold in Argentina.

Yeah, I know.

And now they will regularly be a car that

comes past me on the motor and I'm like,

I've got no clue.

Yeah, no.

I don't know what it is.

I'm glad you said that because I'm the same

and I'm losing my touch.

My powers are failing.

The other day you said it was the new Audi A6

and it was only because I had seen one that

morning pulled over and searched up what it

was so that I could work out what had gone past me.

And then you went, what the hell is that?

How do you think the game was?

It's worse for me because I have a white whale.

And in fact, if it's literally a white guy,

it's a white SUV.

I saw it once around where I live a few weeks ago.

And on the way here today, I was leaving town.

It was behind me.

And I actually slowed down in the hope it

would catch up so I could have a look at it.

And then it turned off and I got to see the

side of it.

It has a grill like a Jeep, but it is not a Jeep.

And I have no frigging idea what it is.

And it is driving me nuts.

The side profile, modern enough to be like a Chinese car.

It is brand new.

Yes.

Okay.

So it's a Chinese car.

I have been on every Chinese car company

website that I can think of that is sold in

the UK at the moment.

I cannot find this bloody thing.

Now I live in Bath or Bath of anywhere you're from.

I don't think they are testing pre production cars.

It was driven by a lady in her 50s,

I would say.

Yeah.

I don't think it is a top secret car or even,

you know, sort of sometimes you'll see I've

seen random Chinese cars not sold here in the Midlands.

And you see, I guess, Jenga Landreaux with Bourne.

Yeah.

To have a little test out and it's left on drive.

This is right hand drive.

In Bath as well.

I have no idea what it is and it is consuming me.

This is where it turns out it's just an '05 Wrangler.

Yeah, and really I'm losing your touch.

It's got a tower, Wrangler.

It's a five door and behind the back doors

there is enough contrast panel,

which I think might be silver.

The car is white, so it's hard to tell.

But I looked on a brief glance in my mirror today.

There's a panel between the rear window and

then the rear sort of window.

The boot.

There's a contrast panel.

So it's quite distinctive.

Unfortunately, you have now implicated us in this.

Yes.

And I will think about this forever.

Pray for your comments.

Maybe someone there go out.

But please, if you do find out,

please, can you actually let us know?

I'm not joking about this.

No, absolutely.

Me now, because I now can't,

I can't do my thing, which is up max of this.

And I can tell you what it is.

I can't do it.

It's, I promise if I find out and I may go

home tonight and have another.

I'm not like a man possessed.

Why am I being tailed by this very small car?

Pull over.

I don't know what he's squinting doing like this.

He's like, what's that?

I'm shouting through a megaphone.

Come out, come out.

Wherever you are.

Give me your play.

I need to run it.

I seriously, if I see it again,

I may just have to go over to the 50

something lady driving and go,

what is this?

Explain your status.

I don't know.

I made it.

She says round, like, wow, great pal fits.

So question here.

This is actually more to do with automotive

YouTube actually.

But is there anything that infuses you or you

don't understand about automotive YouTube?

Because I guess there are some things that

pass over from TV in terms of content.

But is there anything on YouTube you see?

Why the hell do they do that?

Why does this happen?

God, I'm sure there is.

I can't think.

I mean, I sort of understand.

And I notice how artfully constructed a lot

of YouTube videos are to grab your attention early doors.

And I notice, actually, there's something I

wanted to ask you.

Your channel, this center is spelled the American way.

And you often put prices in your,

yeah, title cards in dollars.

Not, although that's, yeah, we change that sometimes.

Right.

So because obviously on YouTube,

you have the power of being able to just edit

things later on.

We're normally launched a video in pounds,

because obviously we're mostly UK.

So if we launch in dollars, everyone in our

comments goes, what are you doing?

Bloody Americans, that's what you ask.

But you can change it later on,

because our US audience is quite helpful.

So this is, I've watched your stuff and

thought, I wonder if Americans sometimes know

what earth is going on here,

because it's quite British.

And you're British, why would it not be?

But you know, it's sort of, I wonder whether

they actually sort of watch it and enjoy that

aspect of it in the way that,

you know, perhaps I think the US audience,

for top, here is a case in point.

And there are lots of other examples of

British stuff, I think, that's quite one of

the US, because in the same way,

I remember when I used, you know,

I loved The Simpsons, and I used to watch

episodes of The Simpsons and go,

"I don't get this reference at all."

But if I did, I bet it'd be really funny.

And you just, if you like something overall,

you'll roll with the bits you don't get.

Now, of course, for the most part,

you can Google it and it'll come up.

We kind of, the outset, decided we'd like to

go for a bit more of a US audience,

A, because it's more valuable,

it's more helpful for YouTube,

but B, because it's just a bigger market of

automotive enjoyment.

So many of them.

You know, you have, was it 350 million,

400 million now, something like that?

versus our realistically less than 20% of that.

It's nice to be able to access those,

but then as we kind of went on,

we realized, I just like making dumb English,

like Max Power jokes and things.

So the name, we don't want to change the

name, we'll do the name.

We have to, we run with the UK style and everything.

Some of it might be ever so slightly US,

but I think when you start to tailor it

towards an audience, because of views or

whatever, you probably won't get it,

because then you lose, you lose out on the

people that are actually watching every week.

I think you make the thing you want to make,

and that you believe is good,

and that gives it an integrity,

and integrity is very watchable,

and then it comes from a sort of honest place.

It's dishonesty, and this is,

I suppose, one of the things that I,

sometimes with YouTubers, I'm a bit like,

well, no, that didn't really happen.

And obviously I might want to talk,

because I used to work at a time,

I'd talk about that.

But I guess, again, it's because I know how

the source is made.

The thing that I probably don't understand

about YouTube, is stuff that I think is

visibly crap, like badly made,

low production values, but also low editorial content.

And then it's got massive views.

And I a bit like, who's watching this?

And do they think it's good?

Or does that not matter anymore?

Is there a general sort of slop pile that you

just get served something and you go,

I like porsches or whatever,

I'll watch that.

And it's just someone who clearly hasn't done

any research whatsoever, doing a bit about,

hey guys, and you're a bit like,

you could have spent five minutes looking the

name of the car up.

So you're not going, is it called that?

I don't know.

Well, anyway, well, never mind.

Let's go on here.

It's got this done.

Well, that does.

Look it up.

It's easy.

Also, you have the wonder of an edit.

Well, that's the thing.

We're not saying we've never made a mistake.

Sometimes things you don't know or you didn't

realize or whatever, but we don't think

there's an amount of research that you can

look at an edit before it goes out and go,

oh, I've said that.

It's not correct, but you get some that just

put it out.

And then the comments go, how are you?

Have you just called that the Ford 330CIE-57?

Well, it's just, you know, you pop a little

thing on screen just to go, sorry or whatever.

And I've seen lots of that.

And that's fine.

There's almost an accepted sort of way of

dealing with it because nobody's perfect.

And also you're not gonna go back and refilm

the whole thing just for one mistake.

You just admit you're mistaken,

you carry on.

But I have seen some people who seem to be

proud of their ignorance.

And that to me is always, and that's one

thing, but it's when they've got loads of

subscribers and or loads of views.

That feels unjust because there are lots of

people who are making really good stuff out

there and deserving of all the attention they

get and more.

And it's a bit like you seem to be grunting

more on them.

I don't think we should be listening to you.

But anyway, thankfully, there's a lot of

really good content out there.

Yeah, I think you have to filter through a

lot of, and YouTube's good where it goes,

ah, you liked this.

I'll try and give you some more of that.

Yeah.

You just have to avoid the slop.

When you get annoyed sometimes,

when I discover something I really,

really like, and I'm like, why did you not

tell me about this YouTube?

It's a year old video.

Yeah, it was just so up my street.

Basically, I just get surfed like car videos

and retro synthesizers, and I can lose hours on both.

Sometimes it's a bit like, I can't believe

there's this Italian man who owns over 400 analog since.

Why was I not been following him?

I know he came following me 10 years ago when

he started his channel.

Anyway, but yeah, apart from that,

no YouTube is, you know, it makes me feel old

because I kind of go, you know,

there's certain things I think even in the

very earlier days of YouTube when there's a

lot of jump cutting and things like that,

or just people doing things in wannas,

my old school telly head would be like,

do a retake or do a cutaway for God's sake?

And it's a bit like, that's just old fashioned.

I'm wrong and they're right because look,

they've got five million views and

everybody's like this video.

And actually, you know, what he's saying is

good and it's fine.

You just live with it.

But when Johnny Smith and I used to do

videos, originally edited them and I tried to

edit one in a much more kind of like,

just, yeah, I'm taking that bit out there.

That's just a jump cut.

And I couldn't live with it.

I used to have to barter us around,

finding a cutaway to cover the cuts just

because there was a little, you know,

little bit I wanted to take out.

Ben, we are quite happy to cut up a video and

make it not a streamline for the sake of

shortening it and making it more,

you know, easy, easily.

The story without being as polished.

I mean, shout, Ben, shout to you.

You do have to deal with it a lot.

Ben's like, no, it won't flow as nicely.

I will, I'm like, we don't care.

Yeah, just kind of.

And it is troubling for Ben sometimes.

You can tell he's like, I just want to make

it nice, please.

But I think having the confidence or having

the, you know, the courage to take out

something that maybe you don't really want to

take out, but you know for time and clarity

or whatever it is, it is the right thing to

do to take it out is part of the skill and of

being being able to edit it.

And it leads to a better thing.

Yeah.

Even though, you know, you're sort of

probably going, no, I really like that thing.

I said, but it's part of that sequence that's

a bit long and pointless.

So you've got to take it out.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, good.

And that's the thing.

The discipline to do that is I think what

makes good YouTube and some people.

Same thing.

Yeah.

It is the same thing.

Otherwise you just have an uncut one hour of

us walking around the car pointing out dumb

things and saying things we shouldn't.

So yeah, we were just talking about

automotive YouTube and moving on to something

related just to that is what is favorite

bullshit tire brand.

Oh, like bullshit as in made up or just low quality.

What is the tire brand you've looked at and gone?

I've never heard of that.

I can't believe they named it.

Whatever.

I think I saw one called Road Champs,

which I thought was, you know,

they're trying there, but it just doesn't

quite cut it.

Also, yeah, a little bit of Americanism in there.

Yes.

The champ of the road.

Go champ.

You got this road.

I don't know.

I mean, obviously Ling Long is the one that

everybody references and always I think if

you don't realize that is real,

it's now being fitted OEM to the dacha spring.

Really?

Yeah.

I know.

You know what?

They do not have a lot of grip in the bed.

Let me tell you.

You know what?

I actually, I'm actually quite happy for Ling Long.

I know, just like they did it.

They fought for a really big legitimised.

Well, I, you know, weirdly, I'm sort of a bit

happy for them.

Do you think that's a Renault?

It's an alternative.

Renault has internal standards,

even on a very cheap car.

There are certain, I know how big car companies work.

They have certain benchmarks for suppliers.

Yeah.

I cannot believe they just went,

oh, screw it.

Can't get the lingers, what have you got?

Oh, car things with just barely,

you can get your finger into the tread.

That's fine.

They've tested these things.

Yeah.

And obviously the attractive price would have helped.

Yeah.

But I believe that they must have hit certain

internal standards at Renault.

Yeah.

Fair play to Ling Long.

Yeah.

But the problem is you go, oh,

that just brings on Ling Long tyres.

And China, people go, it's a bit racist.

It's like, no, they honestly are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But now they've got something to back up the name.

Yeah.

As seen on the dash of spring.

Give me a good tyre brand that you've seen.

There's one recently I found.

Actually, my dad told me about this.

He just bought an L4O5 Range Rover.

Oh.

And it came on only one of the tyres was this.

It was called Batman.

Batman.

And I didn't believe him.

And then I looked it out.

I can't remember what the actual brand of it is.

Batman tyres.

are an Atlas Batman.

That's Batman A fit.

I mean, I don't know if sort of like Warner Brothers or.

Yeah.

The S3 that

we had that was on Charm Who's.

I love it.

I love with all

my heart and soul.

That was Will found out when we were credit.

He went, have you seen what I've got?

And I was expecting the Ling Long,

but no, Charm Who.

It's not a, it doesn't fill you with much confidence.

No, Charm Who.

No.

Yeah, one of the Charm Who's out back.

It's almost comedic.

It's important.

Here's a who.

Yeah.

It's a comedy book noise.

It's not.

Yeah.

That is one of my favorite things is to look

at tires and go out.

Quick tires yet.

Yeah.

I only sort of collect them from other people

mentioned them.

I should be more, pay more attention.

100%.

If you go on trying big tires.

Tiger websites.

Yeah.

I've

seen triangle and soul buy doesn't inspire confidence.

triangle.

Yeah.

No, that is a, that's a look at someone's

tires past time.

Yeah.

That's just it.

Well, again, I suppose going back to what you

say about how do you quickly know that

someone is sort of one of us?

Look at what tires they've got in their car.

Yeah.

Because if they're mismatched in a horrible

way, can you go?

Can you see?

Can you see from there when I'm running on this?

You have got.

No, I can't read what they are.

I'll be roadexes.

Is that what it says?

I could see an ex.

They have a roadex.

They were the cheapest tires I could get on

eBay for the video.

They cost £120 for a set of four brand new.

I've been robbed because I had some fancy

pants, hankooks put on mine.

You know, these were just because I thought

they were probably rubbed through on the

arches and the first day.

Okay, these are just official.

Yeah, just to get through it.

Well, that's it.

Because that was on three different brands of tire.

Oh, nice.

And I couldn't even find the date markers on them.

So I was a bit like, right, job one,

they're going.

Yeah.

Because I am a bit faster.

I don't trust this.

No, they didn't want to give us the

date.

Yeah.

We don't know the date.

No, you have to email

our factory to find out the code for the code.

Turns out it's Roman numerals.

It was built in 14 AD.

Yes.

Used to use

that on the chariots.

So lovely.

Moving on from bullshit

tires, a question we've been wanting to ask.

Now, in the news, there's been Grand Tour rumors.

We're not going to say anything yet.

Obviously this is two weeks now,

behind that.

Are you involved in the new Grand Tour?

Is there anything you can tell us?

Anything?

I've got to be quite careful because I think

I am still under an NDA.

I've separately signed something at some point.

I was involved in the Grand Tour.

I am not anymore.

But when it was...

So when we knew that the show was going to

come to an end with Richard Jeremy and James,

that had been pre-ordained.

There was a contract.

That's the right TV work.

So it was a commission that said you will

deliver X number of shows over X amount of time.

We were coming to the end of that particular

commission and Jeremy, Richard and James had

all decided that there was time to call it a

day, try and bring it in to land with a bit

of dignity and on our terms,

because they're just all getting old and tired.

It's a physically demanding show to make.

So we'd sort of known about that for a long time.

It then became clear that perhaps the show

would not end at that point.

And that was interesting because in a way you

look at it and go, well, it's a brand name,

it's owned by Amazon.

Why would they just want to bury it?

It's been a hit for them and it would,

in TV terms, if you have a sort of a big hit

show, why would you not want to buy at least

to keep it going in some way?

So it was interesting in that respect.

But then, yeah, so I'm probably not supposed

to tell you this, but I have been involved

for the past year with what was officially

kind of developing a possible comeback for

the Grand Tour.

And then I've got lots of other bits and

pieces going on.

I'm trying to finish another book and I have

my Smith and Smith podcast, which I think we

do all right, but we could do better in some way.

ways if we weren't so chambolic and if we

weren't so busy on other things.

And it's a bit like, I feel like I should

give this more attention because it's clearly

got some traction.

I've worked on Top Gear in the Grand Tour for

22 years up until the end of the last special.

And that's quite a long time.

And maybe it's time for me to go and do something else.

So there are some other things that I would

like to do.

There are some other things I am already doing books.

The podcast.

And I have a really half-assed idea for

another sort of YouTuber thing that I might

want to do.

And I got all excited and bought a camera.

Oh, nice.

And then I went, what am I doing?

So that needs some work.

But it's

something I just thought, it's a little itch

I need to scratch.

And I had a long grown-up chat with my wife

about this and sort of, you know,

because she's recently got a new job.

And it's like, it's a new chapter for her.

And she's very excited about it.

And she was like, so, you know,

what about you?

What's going to happen?

I was like, I don't know, but I feel like I

should get off my arse and do more stuff.

And not just keep doing a thing in another

form that I've done for a long time,

because it's almost like, what do I have to

bring to that that's new?

I am perhaps the last person that should be

working on any reinvention of the Grand Tour

that might happen because I'm just bringing

all the bad habits from the old days.

And it would be nice to think that some

younger, fresher blood would come in and do

some interesting stuff with it.

So yeah, I was working

with some people on a thing to sort of see

how it might be

brought back.

And then I just went, you know what,

I'm

going to step off and wish you the best of

luck with this.

Which fair enough, after 22 years,

you can't nobody can say

you didn't try.

No, exactly.

It's a bit like, well, you're the only one

who knows how the photocopier works,

you dick.

It's not that, because I don't.

And yeah, I just feel like I've done my time.

It's more interesting to me to see what other

people might do with it.

And I just think, because apart from anything

else, there are different things you could do.

And I don't know what the answer is.

I suppose nobody does.

But admitting that I don't know what the

answer is, it's almost like,

well, maybe I just shouldn't be involved.

It's not your problem to do.

Well, that's the other one.

I was like, oh God, I don't know this question.

Oh, that's great.

I don't have to answer it.

Yeah.

It's a question meant for people training to

be physiotherapists.

Oh, wow.

I don't need it.

Now you can be in the comments when it does.

Exactly.

It's just dreadful.

It's a pretentious.

It was a pretentious.

And that writer, he was amazing.

Yeah.

That's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to be in the comment going,

don't think much of this script.

Yeah, writing's got down him.

Totally written.

No one thought that it's in the original Top Gear.

If I had someone who knew that they were

doing on this project, I'd be really pedantic.

I'm not noticing there was a split infinitive there.

Is that a reflexive pronoun when one wasn't necessary?

Oh, yeah, that's a sloppy, cut a Q50 and half.

A split infinitive.

No, getting away from some questions.

We would like to share some names with you.

Yes, you are a man of names.

Yes, you've posted on Twitter a few times.

I think it was during the fuel crisis.

It's something you've done on your website

for a while, miles per gallon.

Perhaps?

Yes.

What we have, we actually mentioned it last week.

We revealed it that we have 1,500 of these

names over the last few years.

A group of us have created a list.

Oh, what's a real people with?

Well, these are names that are names.

Oh, okay.

But when you say them, they are actually names.

Okay.

Yes.

Oh, my God.

Super unleaded you had.

Yeah.

And I just like, because in my head,

these were always, you know,

Mills and Boone novels, those romance novels.

These were always characters from Mills and Boone.

Evil Vicar was called Rev Counter.

Yeah.

Well, so the reason that I brought this up is

that I, well, preparing for this,

I thought, let me go through the 1500 names

and play out some automotive ones.

Yeah.

And we'll run them past you as someone who's

also a connoisseur of doing this.

Yeah.

So these are just a few of the automotive related

ones.

So we thought we'd, will, would you like to?

I

struggle to read these.

Would you like me to?

We've got

Susan Perchager.

Brilliant.

We've got Ronny Bering.

Yeah.

Yes.

Well, Bering.

We've got this one, the Chief Lee Services.

Wait, what was that TV show?

I've not watched it, but there was a TV show

where one of the characters was called Lee Delamir.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

What was that?

And it was an American show,

but with a British writer, a friend of mine

told me about it and he went,

that is a British person having a little

intro to expose the Americans.

Lee Delamir is so good.

Yeah.

Chief Lee Services, who he's in the military,

obviously.

Yeah.

And right around the A-34, that's where he lives.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've also got Major N.

Jim failure.

Some of them are a little bit contrived.

That's going to say,

because there's major service,

not in there as well.

Spike

strip, Polly Bush.

Maximilian Defrost.

Yes.

Yeah.

Lisa Carr.

Lisa Carr.

That's again, sorry.

Very boring, but there was a advert.

Do you remember the Cadillac Terror in the US?

The launch ad campaign for that in America

was it ended with Lisa Cateira and someone

going, who's Lisa Cateira?

That's a joke.

Yeah.

And then in the TV

series, God, is it Chicago Hope?

I think it might have been.

There's a character called Lisa Cateira as an

in-joke back-reffing that advert.

We have dreams of seeing these names in the stars.

Yeah, because Lisa Cateira goes through it.

We've got Leah, Lisa Carr, a Reginald number,

and Reginald plate as well.

Yeah, Braden brake lines.

That braided brake lines.

Some of them are, you know, your name.

This is a great one.

I love this one.

This is Dale Lee Driver.

Dale Lee Driver, Alan

Tomato, Russell T.

Arch, Rusty Arch, Laurie Driver.

Okay.

Pierre, really?

Yeah.

So then we've got a couple of brand names.

Michelle, Michelle Lin, Michelle Lin,

Hannah Cook, Cameron Pervan,

households, Axel Stand, Andy Roeballs.

He's double-barrel.

He comes from money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just a Roeballs, yeah.

Ruth Rack, Raymond Singh Driver.

Dorothy Four.

Oh, my God.

Dorothy Four, Deirdre Greaser,

Penny Trant, Katherine Boltai,

Lewis D, Peter, Peter Cruiser.

Peter, Peter, Peter, Maria Bumper.

We must have a Maria View mirror in this.

I think so.

This isn't all of them.

This is just, I went through the first five or 600.

Curtis E.

Carr.

Yeah, too.

L.E.D.

Lights, Solomon Dering.

Oh, I love that soldering.

Okay.

Must be going here.

Rufus Scoop.

L.E.D.

Bus.

Gary O'Lean.

Gazzoline.

Love it.

Yeah.

Walter Pump.

Tyler Ming Chain.

Valerie Van Peston.

Val Van Peston.

A facelift.

Slift is a little bit of a control.

Some of

them when you isolate the surname,

it starts to get a bit contrived today.

And what's our last one?

That was the last one.

We got other ones I've missed in there.

Any favourites in there?

What do I like?

I'm sure I could give you a compliment,

maybe.

No, I do.

Did you have Ray Sing Driver?

Rayman Sing Driver?

Yes.

That to me is.

Because it's sort of you go,

I mean, there might be someone out there

called Sing Driver who called their Kid Raymond.

It's like our favourites are the ones where

that is potentially a real person name.

So for instance, one of our favourites is

Patrick O'Heter.

Now, O'Heter is a little bit patio heater.

Yes.

Now, that is the word patio heater,

but also feasibly, Patrick O'Heter is a person.

Who do you think contacted by?

There was a name.

We got contacted by, I can't remember.

I can't remember.

It wasn't a laugh because it came up,

it was like a suggestion for like a friend or

a message and it went, so once the message

was, it was ricochet.

It was ricochet.

It was ricochet.

It was ricochet.

It got in contact with it.

And he's on the list.

I mean, that's extremely plausible.

That is okay.

Yeah.

Because the ones I used to get were like Rev

Counter and I used to live near a street

called Spencer Rise.

And it's just like, well, that's a guy.

And then there's some good that I put in my

hair sometimes, which is just called Matt Paste.

And I was like, Matt Paste, yeah,

that's the sort of stuff.

Years ago, because I collect these and I take

pictures of a manager and use a mate of mine

who likes them, but I was going to start a

Twitter account called I Went to School with them.

Because I think all of these start like you

go, Matt Paste.

Oh, yeah, he was in the year above.

Like, didn't his dad work at the airport or something?

It's just like, you know, when you're a kid,

you've just got all these people that you're

not friends with them, but you know the name

because they're at your school.

Yeah.

And it's like, oh, I went to school with them.

And so, yeah, you just, you find walking

around going, oh yeah, Rick O'Shea,

he was in the year above me.

In a similar vein, I was planning on,

I don't know if I actually told you this,

once the list had reached a certain amount,

I was going to go and either buy old

yearbooks from chair shops that you could get

and make a book that had like a school,

it was a full school with different,

so the different, like the Pierre-Ellie,

your hand cook, they would all be part of the

automotive DT.

This sounds like the first top dead sense to

a "slash cream" book.

It's a coffee table book with Karl,

no?

Exactly, yeah, there was also,

there was like cooking class of '78,

would be like, what was it?

I can't remember

it now, it's going to come to some.

"Fate heaters" like,

people like that.

So you'd have food in the food category,

Karl, and the Karl.

"Case-a-dea", yeah, that's all stuff.

Because I also slightly collect,

like Ricochet, if we assume that's a real

person, I kind of collect real people with amazing names.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Someone I know worked with a guy called Steve Smoohar.

Oh, that is a great name, yeah.

Someone else I know worked with someone

called Tracey Ticcom, a real person.

And the same person, she worked,

she's not a housemate, she worked at Renta Kill.

And she worked with a lady at Renta Kill

called Gay Spray.

At this point I went, "No way that you're

making this up 'cause you know I like amusing names."

She went, "I will get you her business card."

And also the parents is forward thinking to go.

I know.

The alliteration is lovely on this.

We're gonna try that in this one.

Well, I wonder if she married a spray.

Oh, interesting.

Maybe she was like getting a Jones.

Surely that's a solid name.

Surely that is justification enough to go,

"I'm not taking the last name."

That's a double battle.

Yeah, we'll go with double battle on that.

Gay Jones spray.

Gay Jones spray.

Sounds weird.

There's many on there.

We might have to share some of the answers

'cause we could do a two hour long podcast of there.

Richard Chanari is a classic.

Richard Chanari.

Richard Chanari.

Oh God.

He is who our Facebook, we have a company computer.

Our Facebook is Richard Chanari and he's who

messages people on Facebook for carpets.

So if you ever get a message from Richard

Chanari, it's one of us.

If you never revealed that before.

No, no.

We're gonna have to change that.

He's gonna have a new name on the list.

He's gonna have to be changed.

Richard Chanari is now retired.

What about Richard Tefone?

There's a couple of really dumb ones.

I'm gonna put this one, Ben,

'cause he can't fit himself.

The ones that Ben came up with is Richard and balls.

And then balls.

That was another one, I can't remember.

There's Douglas H.

Balls.

Yeah, it's a visual one, rather than you know.

It's dough balls.

It's dough balls.

It really doesn't work.

That might be our, you know,

not our finest moment if I'm on this one.

I go through the list, I laugh,

but I go, Doug, you really shouldn't be on

the list mate.

But Doug, Doug Balls is to be out there somewhere.

Whether his middle name is Henry.

He's Henry, yeah.

Douglas Henry Balls.

So we move on to a couple months.

Yeah, you've really taken us off track here.

Yeah, I've done this.

We've been waiting to show this list for ages.

Really, anyone that will listen.

I feel so special, 'cause I know you've had

other guests and yet somehow the list remains.

No, we figured you would appreciate the list.

I do like that.

The list is pre-way beyond TDC.

19 or 20 is when the list started.

Yeah, it's going like one day,

this list.

The list will come in handy.

It's the light of day.

'Cause I haven't got my phone on me because I

was gonna say I've got my real life amusing

names slash made up, but stupid names lists

in my phone for the same reason,

which I never really share with anybody,

but it's there.

It's for you.

Yeah, again, it's for the love of the game.

It is for the love of the game,

and also sometimes we'll just have a little

look at it, you know, if it's making up,

just go look.

We'll do the same thing.

We'll do the TDC book, and then it'll be a

guest feature at the end.

It'll be the post-credits scene.

We could just be a little list of thanks,

but they're all made up names.

Thanks, section could see.

We'll do like trading, what is it,

in football, what are you called,

trading day?

When you sort this out.

Transfer day, yeah, we'll do a Smith and

Snifty cream, transfer day, where we sell you

ricochet in exchange.

Yes, that's it.

We'll take Benjamin D.

Bus, thank you very much.

We'll finish up with a conspiracy.

We love it.

We haven't had a proper one in a while,

because we've realized the conspiracies have

become big X, what's you to buy big X,

and therefore--

Big X, yeah, but this one, I actually quite like.

We spotted a number plate on a green Alfa 147 recently.

It was just T8.

Oh.

So that's a very, very expensive plate.

We don't know how much that plate is worth,

but we looked at similar ones in there

anywhere from 100 to 400, 500,000,

that's ridiculous.

And we sort of got talking about how the hell

are people spending this much money on number plates?

Even on longer plates, people spending 10,

20, 30, 40, 50, grand on number plates.

But we had a few comments about that,

and people have suggested that it is for inheritance tax.

I know a bit about this.

That's making me sad.

I know about this because we mentioned it on

our podcast and we had a guy right in.

Oh really?

Certainly spoke with a great deal of authority.

I mean, he could have been making it up and

he sounded like, so yes, it's the high value

plate on low value car was a classic way to

tuck away a bit of cash for your kids because

in your estate declaration of the value of

all of your goods when you're dead,

it would just say Alfa 147 800 quid,

'cause it's a bit rotty and ignore the 400

grand plate on it and you and your siblings

can trouser all that money.

But apparently HMRC have got wise to this and

you have to declare the plate because the

argument in the past was that the plate is

never truly your property because the DVLA

could revoke it at any time.

Interesting, yeah.

So you go, well, why would I declare

something that belongs to an office in Swansea?

Yeah.

It's like maybe else to sell for 400 grand,

but what if they took it off me?

I couldn't.

So it's pointless putting it on this floor.

It's very difficult.

It just comes from a lovely green outfit.

But now they're wise to it because it was

such a little loophole.

Interesting, yeah.

And so you are advised to declare the plate

because otherwise if the tax man finds out,

then it could be in a bit of bother.

I think they went a bit too far with it,

maybe, because they went right when it's both

the cheapest car.

Yeah.

We will have a £1,147 and a half a million

pound number plate on it.

It's like, if you'd just got maybe like a seven series.

Do you know what?

I can see that it's not a little bit old money.

Yeah.

It's feasible that, you know.

This is where you two and me,

in fact, we could form a business where we

provide a service to these frankly tax dodging felons.

Yeah.

Where we recommend a car that looks flash,

but we know it's not

It's not actually worth that much.

So an old seven series is a great case in

point, like Celeste, a Jack XJ.

Yeah.

The Taxman, hoping they don't know about cars would go.

Ooh.

Yeah.

Big Jaguar, someone's doing well.

You know, when do you've got the plate A1?

It's an E38, but it's a 728i.

Yes.

It's a 728i.

Get that badge off.

Get that badge off.

It's one individual.

Ooh, okay.

It's 750iL.

Yeah.

Because I do think, not to cast aspersions

though, that I think you do see sort of older

cars, particularly sort of older Range Rovers

and Subaru Outbacks and Things that do have

not super flash private plates on,

but they may just have three or less of three numbers.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's just old money.

How old are you car?

None of your damn business.

Because they know it's 12 years old,

although actually, I think real old money

doesn't give a toss.

No legacy is like 15 years old and covered in

Labrador hair, because they don't,

you know, talking about money is vulgar,

but there is, I definitely are sort of quietly wealthy.

They don't want to speak about it.

Like those, do you ever read about those people?

I don't think they still exist.

Who would buy like a new Bentley Turbo R or

something every year, every two years,

but always get exactly the same spec.

Yes, yeah.

And have the same very vague,

unmemorable private plate put on it.

Yeah.

So no one would know.

It was it.

Only they would know they'd got a new car.

And I was just like, wow, that's kind of cool.

Yeah.

Again.

Sort of pointless though.

I mean, the Turbo R, they've not changed very much.

Why are you doing this?

For the love of the game?

Yeah.

Have you ever seen?

Same again.

That was delicious.

Can I have another one, please?

Yes, please.

It's like, weren't you in here last night?

Yes, I was.

And yes, I will have the chicken address again.

It was so good.

I like what I like.

Yes, sue me.

So that's a solved conspiracy.

That's incredible.

Sorry, I feel like I've not played the game properly.

Well, no, we went away and asked our old mate

Chad, Chad GBT about it.

And it said the same thing.

A loophole back in the day, but nowadays

they've got wise to it.

And if the plate is anything,

well, is around 10 grand or more,

they will be on the lookout for it.

If it's before that, you might be feasibly,

oh, I didn't know it was just on there when I

bought it, but if it's anything more than

that, they will go.

You knew that was worth money.

Yeah, so I wonder if we won't see this

around, because I used to enjoy seeing like

tap to a good plate.

Really sort of like a man-keaching quichento

or something.

Yeah.

But it had the plate like royal wine.

Or something, you know.

Now hang on a sec.

That's not Princess Margaret in there,

'cause she's dead.

So what's going on here?

TA has since moved.

As long as we mentioned TA, we mentioned it

on the podcast and a load of people went,

that's not on a 147.

I was like, no, we searched it.

We searched it on the spot.

Oh.

And someone said, no, it's literally just

moved onto a Vauxhall Adam.

I checked it.

She must have been on the way to train it in.

Yeah, yeah.

Or they heard the podcast and then they went,

it's getting hot with it.

How should I see her on to us?

Get it in and add them.

Good morning.

I'd like your most valueless hatchback,

at least, as a place to store my plate.

I've got a quarter million band plate that

needs going on.

Do you think the owner is called Tate?

Oh, that's a good, yeah.

Or not.

Or it was in the 1410s when the DVLA issued the plate.

Yes, I always wanted how many of them

understand the meaning or have a meaning

behind the plate or whether they go,

this is two digits and I'm exceptionally rich.

And the fact I have two digits,

I suppose you that.

It's simply my grand uncle Alfred's plate

that was on his Bentley Blower,

and I just put it on mine now.

He has the fourth car ever.

We were talking about there is an Instagram guy.

I can't remember it at all.

Very, very posh.

He's exceptionally posh and all he does is

talk about another plate and he will say,

this is number plate B3 and this number plate

was registered in Oxford in 1927 to the Duke of York.

Because of his accent, I believe him.

Yes, you know, that's your mate,

right?

You grew up with him.

Yeah, that's where he gets his information

from, but it's very interesting.

Very carefully and making it up.

It's like there's incredibly long car adverts.

You see it a lot where they'll go,

"She was purchased by a doctor,

Wilson Carothers of Elle de la in Lamington Spa."

You're like, "Oh, you know, just tell me

about the actual car now."

Yeah, it feels like lies.

Yeah, it does feel like ours.

It's too elaborate, isn't it?

It's like that foot 'cause you go,

"How do you know this stuff?"

My favorite part is almost just jumping

halfway through out of context to see what

you get 'cause it more often than I would be

like, and it was in that summer that I was

just examining.

Whoa, this is a Cortita for sale.

I don't know exactly what it's coming from.

It's worth four grand, and you're going,

Berlin was no time for lovers in 1964.

Yes, Colorado, but just tell me if it's rusty.

Oh, it's got no motive, by the way.

Yes.

Viewing on appointment early.

I forgot to put the mileage in,

but it's got basically a novella.

About his youthful exploits.

One last question to end, a short and sweet one.

You're, as well say you're older than us,

that's quite a just to come out.

You go like that, sorry.

We are around the age of 30 now.

Yes, yes.

Are car nerdisms around now,

versus you at 30?

How do you think we're tracking?

Are we on for some badness, or are we kind of

tracking with you, how you were when you were 30?

I mean, I don't know what you mean as it says.

How desperate of a, yeah, of carballs.

Car nerds, do we seem at least?

Well, the worst thing is you seem like normal

people to me.

Okay, well, that's not something that's

probably not right.

That means you're freaking weirdos.

I don't know, what was I doing when I was 30?

Is it the same thing?

Well, I think 30's good.

I mean, you've got a YouTube channel.

Oh, yeah, no, I'm absolutely not unhappy at all.

I'm just interested to see where's the show going?

Well, you also, where's the ship going?

Yeah, I don't know, you probably,

I'm going to tell you what I did,

which is I got married and had children moved

to a different house.

Well, I guess we need to get all--

That's actually--

That's my normie character doing those things.

Car nerdery, just buying more books,

just indulging.

I think actually, and probably YouTube and

social media generally has helped me to

appreciate this and actually people like,

we didn't mention him earlier,

but sort of tacitly did Francis Bourgeois as

someone who's just absolutely unembarrassed

to be a nerd about something he cares passionately about.

I found, I don't want to sound like someone

giving an Oscar speech, I found it inspiring.

I do find it inspiring, just go,

don't be embarrassed, because your tribe is

out there, your gang is going to find you if

you're out and proud about--

Yeah, I bloody love this.

The creamers know.

The creamers know.

It's vital isn't the car, boring.

You've proved this because you have an

audience and they've not gone,

don't do that, they've gone more,

please.

Which tells you you're doing the right thing,

and I suppose, again, smolts you,

but if you follow your heart and your

instinct, then as long as your instinct isn't

so, I don't murder dogs, then,

you know, you're probably going to produce

something other people will like.

Yeah, fuck.

And I think that's quite cool.

Yeah, we should shut down.

(laughing)

Well, speaking of thinking that we've had

enough or not, I hope you guys have enjoyed

coming up for probably two hours--

Oh yeah, I'm so hungry, yeah.

Of course, of course.

Apologies to you, Richard, 'cause it is now

815, you need to drive back to bar at 200 feet.

But thank you very much for coming on,

I hope that we will see you on here again.

I hope we'll see you around on other podcasts

and stuff, 'cause it's been very good,

no.

Well, thank you for having me.

I'm genuinely a fan of your work,

and I was delighted when I got name checked,

I didn't expect what I'm checked,

and I think it's mutual, 'cause we're both

big fans of the Smith & Smith podcast.

Please go ahead and listen to the Smith and

Smith podcast if you haven't as well,

'cause it is equally car nerdery as us.

And by boring culture, yeah.

You actually will enjoy it.

But genuinely, you will learn things that you

can bore other people about.

I mean, it really is valuable.

Always

hit him with a pigeon now.

You're a nuisance guest in your

house.

You wanna get real.

Thank you very much for

listening.

As always, cars rule everything around me.

Cream,

get the money.

Well, I don't wanna build y'all.