C.R.E.A.M. #19 Defender Owners, Running Red Lights and The Perfect Car Size

0:00 Introduction and Rule or Ruin

Why is everyone in the defender always sound comfortable?

Everyone talks about their defender,

they go, it's great, it's great,

it goes anywhere.

Yeah, not obviously not the M40 though.

Hello, welcome back to the Cars Rule

Everything

Around Me podcast, number 19.

It should be 20, we missed a week last week,

very apologies, very apologies.

We were very busy, we can't promise it won't

happen again, but we're not gone forever,

please, when you don't see us,

don't assume we're gone, don't look a dog.

And go, he's gone, he's never come back,

he's done.

I have to get adopted now.

My name is Edwin, to my left is Will,

or to your right, and behind the camera is Benjamin.

Hello.

Lovely.

That was quite a zesty one, it was quite nice.

It's been a week or two, so I thought I'd

break out the big guns.

Change up.

At the beginning of every single podcast,

we asked the question, do cars rule

everything around me, or do they ruin

everything around me?

William.

Rule, it's rule.

Nothing to report, everything seems to be going swimming.

Now, is it rule, partly, for the same reason

that it's rule?

Is it rule for me?

There's something quite special that happened.

I forgot about that.

Clowns for no reason.

I forgot about that.

Oh, that's a huge rule.

That's a huge rule.

You're not our biggest rule yet.

Absolutely.

I think it's rule yet.

Don't give it away.

Let's not give it away.

Is it in the room with us?

He might be in the room with us,

and it's not a Fiat 500 of us.

Why not?

No, is it an M3 GTR?

Oh, yeah.

Up on the screen, before we get to a story,

we've run out of PS2 games, so we've gone on

to a PS3, which has YouTube on it,

so if you're just listening,

in the background, we have someone's YouTube

gameplay of the entirety of Most Wanted 2005,

so we might look up at random points

throughout the podcast, and just see what

we're getting to, what he's buying.

He's starting with a Pinto.

Surely he's choosing the Pinto.

Don't be silly.

Then he's going for the, was it the Cobalt?

That's tough.

Then what you choosing?

Don't know, I was three.

I knew it.

I knew it was coming.

So sorry, please, there is a reason that

there's a rule, we've got a new project,

it's the best.

We were talking, we traded it back,

you know, which says a lot about it.

It makes some pretty rough noises,

but goddamn.

Now, some of you, we don't know if the people

we've met listen to the podcast,

but we, for some reason on our journey back,

we met approximately 3,000 subscribers.

We were like, Rob, we need to get back,

stay under the radar.

Don't show anyone.

No one needs to see this big,

bright thing that we have on the back.

And there's people going, that's TDC boys.

They go, what's on the, is that on the back?

That's not us.

We have bought

something and we are both, the 9-level is

cool.

I know you weren't that into 9-level,

but I'm into porsches.

And even when we are building it,

I was always like, it's a,

it's a work car.

This, I was, I said, I told you the next

day, I rolled over and Ben and showed my

girlfriend a photo

and went, look at this.

And then like 30 seconds later,

I scrolled back after going forward through

my photos to the same one.

And I went, look at that.

She went, that's the same photo.

I'm excited.

I'm going to throw a little spanner in the

works for anyone guessing right now.

It's left hand drive.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Now guess.

Now guess.

Now think now.

I really want to say it.

But we can't.

Not yet.

Not yet.

We could.

In a few weeks.

So basically you're not going to see it on

the channel for a while because there's lots

of work to do to it that is boring.

So we're going to get that boring stuff done

and out the way.

And once we know, because otherwise you're

going to see one episode on it and it

disappears for four months, six months or seven months.

seven years.

So we're going to we're going to get stuff

sorted and then you'll see it.

But be excited because we are.

So what are other rule reasons?

Just general car work.

I'm now eliminating the Clio from all rule thoughts.

You know what?

It now doesn't count.

You know what?

You're probably going to be pretty overall rule.

Yeah.

It's just rule forever now.

Otherwise I'd just be miserable forever.

Yeah.

The unnamed project brought me right back up.

But then sometimes I think about the clear and go.

Is it all worth it?

What was it worth?

But I'm close.

I've ordered pots for it.

I just need to do it to do the thing.

I need to just do it.

I have a mega fuse, a mega fuse.

I think we talk about mega fuse.

Yeah, I think so.

I've got to put that all in.

And then I need to figure out lots of the other random.

Everything else is small.

Starting.

Perhaps the size of a car is a nice start is

a nice starting point.

Okay.

But yeah, one day and

otherwise it's all good.

It's all good.

Ranger was good.

Yeah, it could be better.

Now I would like Ben, I would like you to

tell a story from your point of view.

And then perhaps we'll tell it for us.

Okay.

Well, number one, thank you to everyone who

sent me part numbers.

It might be him last time.

Will refuse to give me the part number that he had.

So where did you get that?

In the end, I actually, well,

actually, here's a little fun story you didn't know.

4:49 Ben's X5 Sensor Installation Fiasco

I had already ordered one by the time you

sent that through.

And was it a different part to what you ended up doing?

That was correct.

I just found it.

How do we know that?

That adds a new element.

I can show you the eBay order and I'll watch

that conversation.

Anyway, last time I was on my X5 and how it

is in ultra high mode or was not for high mode.

And anyway, finally bought a new part for it,

the sensor.

And then the other day, we were here.

We were filming something else.

We didn't really have time.

I thought, quit 20 minute job.

I'll just change it.

So I got world to help me.

And it didn't work.

How much?

It's an interesting way of telling that story.

Interesting.

It sounds quite calm.

Yeah, it sounds quite like nothing went wrong.

Because it was, it was doomed.

Sorry, you have to.

So you have to, okay, fine.

My attitude towards it.

was okay.

But hang on, hang on, hang on.

Every single step of the way,

it went wrong.

It didn't work.

Can I, can I tell the story as someone on the outside?

I was sitting on the computer doing a thumbnail.

So I was, I was third party to this conversation.

And it was, then when could you would,

Will, can you help me install it?

And Will went to it yourself.

So we're off to a good start.

Then when, okay, I'll jack it up.

You get it off.

Will went, no, I will help you and supervise you.

I will, you have to learn.

I don't know what I'm doing.

So, Ben jacked up.

That went smoothly.

The jack up went fine.

Not really.

No, 'cause we did it on gravel.

And also, the XL has nowhere to put a jack stand.

But after a, after a fraction.

That wasn't really the hub.

It was up in the air.

You got through that.

I was worn by Will, don't put you on the end

of the brake disc, 'cause it may fall on you.

Yeah.

And then, yeah.

Meanwhile, we secured it correctly with axle stands.

Yeah.

That's what you're meant to be saying right now.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Not that you just had it on.

Not that we put a loosey of axle stand under it.

No, no, no, no, no, no, don't be so silly then.

We are professionals, Ben.

We secured it.

Okay.

So, and at that point, it was time to remove

the old sensor.

Be honest, how long did you try an attempt to

remove the sensor before you said,

"I'm giving up, Will, you do it?"

Uh, twin minutes?

Sorry, I'm giving that, ooh.

Okay, I'm just--

Not working the whole, the whole,

oh, sorry, before, yeah, maybe.

In reality, I'm saying three to four minutes.

And then it was--

Yeah, it was not possible.

It's not going off.

Sorry, but your method, did it,

did we use your method in the end,

or did we use my method in the end?

We did use it, to say, yeah,

I was mildly wrong.

Yeah.

But I let you get to that point.

Well, anyway, so--

You got it off at the end.

I got the sensor off with great difficulty.

Yeah.

And the issue is right, this is why I get so

frustrated, is because to you two,

who now have to work on cars,

hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on,

hang on, let me just, let me just speak my

truth for a second, and then we'll get some

bullying, okay?

You have the basic knowledge of how to

operate tools, and how to get things off,

and how to do different things.

I don't have that.

So I was already going into it with a lack of

understanding of how to actually take the

thing apart, and also not knowing what I

meant it has to

take apart.

A, not true.

You know how to use tools, more than 99% of other people.

Yeah, but versus you got it.

No, but that's not the point.

Not a good, secondly, there is no difference

between yourself and us, physicality wise,

in terms of taking stuff off,

the only difference,

8:00 Discussion on Ben's Car Struggles

is that we are used to when things go wrong,

having to just try and make something work.

That's the only difference.

Okay, fair, but also like, I didn't know what

tool to use, didn't know what size it was.

But you never do.

Yeah, it's just difficult.

Anyway, got it off, and then there's like a

bracket that's attached to the self-level

sensor, which you have to then reuse.

That was tough.

That was going over for me.

That wouldn't come off.

At that point, that wouldn't come off,

and it was like, that's it.

Car's in the bid.

You said to me, we'll put it back on,

I'm not touching it.

Which is actually, probably would have been the same.

And Ben.

Wait, what, we had to drill out the same.

Yeah, but before we even got to that,

there was a rounded bolt.

Yeah.

You know, it happened to the best.

It happened.

It happened to the best of why things

happened, and Ben was in absolute panic.

It wasn't panic, it was, it was.

He just accepted it.

It just doesn't, I'm not doing it anymore.

So I just want to put it back in,

and he kept reaching for the park,

and he said, we'll just put it back in,

he kept reaching.

Let's just bring it down, let's calm.

The best part is, is that I said before going

and I was like, it's fine, 'cause I bought a

new park, if he isn't right or doesn't work,

I can just take it back out and put the new

on it, but it cost me £80.

That part does not work in the car,

I'm never doing it again, I don't care.

I'll pay a man's do it.

He's kind of worked.

Well, no, yeah, he's now the opposite.

So he was in ultra high mode.

He's all the way up.

And now, so we put the new sensor in,

nothing changed, it was just in high mode

still, we cleared the code, didn't work.

Anyway, drove home, stopped at the services

to get a coffee, and I went into the services

for a coffee, in record time.

I've actually never been in out of services.

I was in and out, so it wasn't like I left it

for half an hour, I left it for maybe two

minutes maximum, walked back out,

and I was on the phone, and I was like

talking, and then suddenly I just went,

what, what?

I looked to the car, and it had gone from

being in max lift to max low.

Hey, am I?

Sorry, no, that isn't what happened,

sorry, no, it went to normal mode,

and I was like, yes, it's worked,

fine.

Aerosol and Dash, I was like,

I don't care, it's no longer high,

and then I went up the next day,

and now it's in mega low mode.

I don't think it's mega low.

I think, yeah, he's not slammed.

You would be dragging your ass,

if it was--

But he is low.

Trust me, I've seen things.

And he's not low.

But can he go any louder than that?

Yeah, if the bag deflates, yeah.

Also, you'd know about it if the bag deflated.

Hey, this is all, this is not interesting to listen to.

He's just low, basically.

So, therefore, it is rule because your car broke again.

No, ruin.

Sorry, he is ruined because of that.

Yeah, it's ruined, and I can't fit,

I actually don't know what to do now to fix it.

I looked at it, I looked at it,

I looked at the forums up and stuff.

Well, we did come up with a solution,

which was that you sell it and lease a car.

Yeah.

I think that's the best solution.

I don't want to do that.

Ben is considering it.

I don't want to do that.

For me, it's, there are so many rules and so many ruins.

I don't know which one I am.

I think today, I think today it's rule

because of the above.

Because the above behind us,

the video might be out by now,

it might not be.

But we managed to get it running and driving

and it works.

And then today we just swapped over a new

door onto it.

It's long, but everything works.

I'm excited about this car price.

I picked up the wheels the other day.

I obviously had to go and buy wheels for it,

'cause why wouldn't I?

For not even my car.

Look, great, things gonna look good.

Once it's cleaned up as well.

Right now it's still looking mucky.

Yeah, it still looks mucky, but inside,

immaculate now.

I've took the

11:10 Edwin's New Project Update and Future Plans

entire car out of it, jet washed it.

It's coming along, I like it.

And then also the guy, the new project,

happy.

And then, yeah, there's a lot of ruins as

well, because I started up the work the other

day and it just gleamed smoke out for a minute.

And then it went, and I'm fine.

Did you just a moment?

Sorry, just a little morning cough.

So we'll see how that develops.

So I foresee some ruins in the future.

We haven't been out in the Merc that often,

but when we go for lunch, every now,

but every time we have been,

I have seen the message on the bash.

The "Please stop up" or else.

Hey, it's once a day.

Please, I'm thirsty.

Please serve.

I'm tired of us.

That is what I'm saying.

So that is us this week.

Make sure as always, you drop in the

comments, your rules or ruins.

We like to read through them.

Do we have any news?

Do we have any news?

If you look with your eyes, if you're

watching, if you listen with your ears,

you're watching, Edwin, please point to what

we have in the middle of the set.

Ah, yes.

We've got our first ever run of cream merch.

Now, this is, you've got cream,

cars rule everything around me in white and

then black cars ruin everything around me.

Now, these, we're gonna edit this design.

So this first ever batch is very limited.

I think there's maybe 100 or 200 of these in existence.

After that, they might change.

There might be some embroidered ones.

There might be some different ones,

but this was just a test run 'cause a lot of

you are asking for it for some cream merch.

Also, the sticker is really quite cool.

Our artist Dan made this and this is cool.

It's a cassette with cars rule everything

around me with cream on it.

Ben, you're already rocking one in your car,

right?

Oh, my car and my computer.

Lovely.

And also, I think there will be at some point

a bundle so you can buy both of the t-shirts together.

Ooh, interesting.

Because, you know, some days your rule,

some days your rule is fair and I have a

feeling you're gonna be wearing the black one more often.

So you can find that on shop,

dot, no, you can find that on

topdeadsea.com/shop, no, just not.

Topdeadsea.com, that's the one I always forget.

So that's the merch plug of the week.

News?

Don't know about much news.

Oh, okay.

But Galardo.

Yeah, Ben was talking about--

I mentioned it, I only just had to look at it.

I hate this.

Now, also, there's gonna be some people

going, it's technically Gallardo.

Listen, what did Acon say it was?

It's a Galardo.

Yeah, he knows.

He jumped up in it.

So jumped up in the Lamborghini Gallardo.

I was like, I'm not gonna get out of there every time.

No.

Also, shut up.

There has been a restomod, which feels silly.

Okay, wow.

Was it 2004?

Yeah, 21, 22 years old.

Can I see?

Do you have a photo?

Do you wanna see?

I'd love to see.

Is he restomod in the way that everything is

decided to restomod now, which means really

big xenon looking lights with angel lights around it?

I'm gonna preload you with something here.

Here we go.

I've just made a hurricane.

Oh, okay.

So the body--

Right, front, not so much.

The body, what?

And then the side.

Do you know what that is?

That's a hurricane.

Do you know what that is?

That's literally, need for speed,

most wanted body kit.

There is a, there is a galado,

but...

Oh, the rear lights are not great.

That's not great at all.

So, okay, right.

Just go buy a hurricane.

My beef.

Yes.

(laughs)

My beef with it is, it's not really a restomod.

Well, maybe it is.

No, that's just a modified car.

But, why don't they just make a galado?

Galado.

Um, gliado.

It looks as it is.

Yeah, but with the updated.

But like, make it more modern.

Maybe you make the interior a bit nicer,

maybe it has car play, maybe they do,

the suspension is better, the tire technology

is better, the tuning is better.

It still looks like a galado rather than

going, you know, like a body kit.

You know what, a restomod of galado is,

it's an underground racing galado.

It just has twin turbos, that's it.

But is that a five liter?

Yes, he's an early guy.

He's an early guy, basically,

it's a five liter, they take the body off of

it, and they put a carbon fire body on top of

it, so it's back down to basics.

So it's like a tiny body, and then they also,

the engine is tweaked, and it is now 10,000

RPM, I believe.

Okay, that's quite interesting.

That would sound mental.

I would quite like to hear that.

15:21 Restomod Lamborghini Gallardo Discussion

Especially on that early V, the five liter.

That's the one, he has his noise.

The only one sounds like 200 kilos lighter,

wow, than one.

I think SMG, like I get rid of the SMG box in

it as well, and put like a quicker box in it.

Interesting.

So you are just making a hurricane?

Yeah, pretty much.

Also, I have an issue with the fact that it

doesn't look like a guard over the front

does, but the rear.

Yeah, no, that's just a hurricane.

It doesn't, surely it should look like that,

maybe with some different rear lights,

and then more modern looking.

Also, a guard over one of the best aging cars

in the last, like, 30 years.

So it says they're going to leave the eager.

Wow, says, "Teds and plans to build just 70,

so this is its name.

Motors Etna."

Etna.

What's she up to?

Etna.

That's, that is a grandma's name.

That's old Sicilian man.

Yeah, he is, yeah, we got the old Sheila outside.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sheila Loughlin, that's Beth.

That's Doris.

Yeah.

That's Doris 2CV.

This is a thousand horsepower,

Shirley.

It says.

It is, it's still SMG.

Adbury.

Admirably.

Admirably.

It says it will prioritize converting

Gallados with the clunky eag,

I'm reading a car throttle article,

by the way.

With the clunky e-gear semi-automatic box,

so it can preserve as many of the rare three

pedal cars as possible.

Okay.

Basically saying they're converting e-gear

cars for the resto mod, so that original manuals.

Stay manual, that's fair.

Do you know what?

Fine.

Well, there may be information further on that.

Now, here's the thing, are they American?

They're landing on the job back to the article.

I'm gonna assume they're American,

in which case, there are so many shonky,

bad e-gear Gallados that they can sacrifice,

if that makes sense.

Like, in the UK, they tend to be,

well, some of them tend to be a bit snotty,

like X rental cars, but if you see an

American ones around, with the,

like, Davanti, no, not Davanti,

well, a Santi rims, we're talking mid-night

club, like, Dubrims Croatian.

So, yeah, no, that's not helpful at all.

(laughs) Croatian,

yeah, cars in, yeah, I think you're just sort

of sticking around.

Okay, all right, fine.

Just hanging around.

Bit of news.

Anything else?

Or they've got the information wrong.

Great.

Any other news?

If not, we've got lots of little anecdotes.

Yeah, nah, no.

Oh, sorry, we do have, oh, here we go,

fake news.

Yeah, I was just thinking this,

'cause I've just literally said they're

converting those SMGs and that's not right,

I read that right.

You know what, Ben, no one listens to me.

Ben, we need a moment where there's no defense yet.

There's no defense, I've already admitted

this, but not in public.

In the last podcast, Ben came to us with news.

He said,

Square Boys again.

I was in my exact words.

Exactly.

And I hadn't seen this yet and I thought,

wow, this is it.

How have I not seen this yet?

Then why hadn't I seen that?

So update everyone, Volvo are not making

square boys anymore.

In fact, someone in their bedroom is making

square boys blender.

Yeah, that is my beef though,

is that, did any of us say that look fake?

So, okay, so to be clear, if anybody hasn't

connected the dots, it wasn't AI,

it was blender and Photoshop,

someone had made, artificially made,

these photos as Nurburgring spy shots,

and then given them to a leaked spy shot,

what do you call it, Instagram page,

saying, here they are.

Okay, so there was, okay, I

believe, because they were, I believe that

you're better

than that, Ben.

They look real, though.

There were

loads of comments about that.

It's like, well actually,

you can really tell that's clearly done.

No, it's not, it's not clear.

Yeah, one of them driving on the,

I don't know what I'm doing that,

the other one of them driving,

was it like on a street, that look fake.

It's like the one that looks a bit,

because you can see the background.

Oh yeah.

Do you want, what's really nice about that,

is that you said that on the podcast,

because you noticed how fake it was.

I didn't get to look at that a lot

afterwards, if I'm being honest.

This is true.

You didn't, sorry, neither of you said to me,

at any point in the production of the podcast

at all, that it looked fake.

Sorry Ben.

Can anyone trust what you're saying with it?

Okay, he's what I'm gonna do.

Wait, you know what Ben?

Yeah.

Tell me if that photo's fake.

Okay.

I'm holding up my phone, four and a half

meters away, with the phone.

This is you, you were sent an edit to watch.

You could've watched it before.

Yeah, it's true, that's fair.

I watched it, I thought it was real,

I was wrong, I'm very sorry,

everyone.

Please, no one ever listens to me.

You know what, we cannot trust Ben.

You know what, fair play throwing up to it.

Thanks, thanks, please.

But if

that apologies even true on me.

Yeah, it could be like--

That's you, apologies made in Blender.

If you are like us and you perhaps enjoy the

final things in life, AK buying used car

parts, you will probably spend your life on

Facebook or eBay.

And eBay has long been the goat.

20:00 AI-Generated eBay Descriptions Critique

He's perfect, bound to the last detail.

Except for one thing.

eBay has recently, so it's probably been

about a year or two now, added in a thing

where you can make your description,

AI generated or helped by AI.

And they get, they're like, you should really try this.

You should try this.

You should try this.

And I genuinely believe it is one of the

worst things in this world.

I'd put it above, I'd rather delete that than wars.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is the most useless, why would I click on

a exhaust for a Mark IV Golf,

does it go?

This contemporary exhaust has been crafted

with a pillow perfection.

It will upgrade your ride with sweet style.

What?

I just need to know that it's the correct year.

Golf exhaust 2004 diesel.

Why is there anything else?

It is the most annoying thing in the world.

And on car listings, it is unbearable.

Sort of place where you want,

I want strong facts.

I want you to get to the point.

information, and it's like the smooth but

classic Volkswagen Bora.

Well, be sure to get you to your destination

in superb style.

You know what it is?

It's bad YouTube car reviewers.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah, well, you know, this is the best car

I've ever seen.

Yeah, what a BMW 3 Series is the suave choice

of course for the gentleman among me.

I simply need to know how many miles it has.

Because it's how much it's a car.

It's 11 paragraphs it with a smelt,

132,000 miles.

I don't care.

Just give me information.

Stop doing this.

If you work at eBay, please.

Because everything else.

Because the thing is, there are unknowing

people, and they say that, and they go,

"Yeah, that's made my description so much better."

I just don't understand.

It is a perfect website other than that.

Genuinely, eBay is perfect.

Maybe in the next episode, we should line up.

We should try and list some things and see

what AI is like.

Some really diabolical things,

and see what AI can conjure out of that description.

Also, if you come across any just ridiculous

AI e-bay link.

They're always so good.

So that's one of mine.

You've got one of yours.

I've got another world.

I can't say something Audi Quattro.

I sort this come in.

I have no idea what it is.

It started out because I did on voice control.

So it didn't quite understand what I was saying.

I was driving to work.

This is a rough roughly around the slough area.

I've actually driven past it many times

because it's not far from where I used to live.

This part that goes over a bridge,

and I'm just explaining a random place now.

There's this place with a bridge and there's

lots of cars, but there are lots of cars.

There's always been lots of very random cars.

It's right next to a trading estate.

So you can imagine it's a kind of place where

they go, yeah, bum that out.

And normally it's vans and just run-of-the-mill stuff.

I'm driving along.

It's just an Audi Quattro.

Oh, my good proper Quattro.

Yeah, but it is an Audi Quattro.

But it's just been dismantled.

But it's black.

I cannot remember if it had wheels or not.

It may have had wheels.

It looked like it didn't have an engine.

Mainly because it had a bonnet inside the engine.

There's inside the engine bay also through

the windscreen.

We're like, no glass.

It was matched.

It was like a parts car.

But literally on a path, essentially on the

side of the road, if we could have that,

that would be quite nice.

It was a big job.

I would love to, not only would I love to

build a show.

I'd really love to build a short wheelbase.

But I think we are probably the least

qualified humans on earth to shorten the car.

You know, if there's someone's got blue tack,

maybe, might be able to make something happen.

Yeah, bolt it together.

We're welded with a bolt.

We're welded bolts.

Yeah, bolts through and weld them.

I'd solder it.

It's just a tin.

I don't know.

It was when I first learned about soldering.

I was like, so I can just weld it,

like melt it out.

It's not quite how the engine is.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

(laughs) Also, turn out quickly.

He did go for the cobalt.

It's a very good choice.

Well, is that what you could call?

He knew he was going to go for it.

You just knew it was going to happen.

Just knew it was going to.

Is that an ice three hundred?

Ice three hundred.

Don't get those out.

What else we got?

We've got Tesla moon dreams.

Oh, this is good.

Well, it's just something small.

This might actually happen.

Last week, I got quite sick towards the end

of the week.

Ben, you were also very ill.

And so I decided, you know, when you get ill,

you go, you know, I'm just going to sleep off.

I'm just going to get in bed,

got to bed at 4 p.m.

I left early from here.

So the first time I've ever done that was

like, I just need to go to bed.

When I got in bed and I had multiple fever

dreams, one of which was that it was an advert.

I was watching TV or something and it was a

Tesla advert and they had just flown a car,

a Tesla to the moon and then driven around it

on autopilot.

Why haven't they done that yet?

Surely.

It's quite a way.

is surely Elon Musk has pitched that a hundred times.

Oh, probably, yeah.

If I'm thinking of it in a dream,

that guy is sitting there going,

I gotta get a car to the moon.

How do I?

'Cause that's the best advertisement of all time.

They have a car on the moon,

yeah.

The first car on the moon.

And it just drives it.

'Cause of autopilot, they could just drive,

imagine it's got some cameras.

Yeah.

'Cause moon Rover does, right?

Yeah.

If it's real.

That is.

Yeah, it's fair.

Car spirit is probably just a very long--

Is Elon Musk's moon Tesla real?

Because he's already got a Tesla.

Tesla Roaster up there.

Yeah.

Send it.

Because you know where it is.

Stop bike, really nice.

Some aliens out there.

Yeah, well, you just want to go down it right

at the Tesla Roadster.

Would you say that?

And then you just-- Some aliens.

238,000 miles later, you should be at the moon.

Someone's whipping that hoe up there.

Someone is doing skids in that Tesla.

Would it be attached to a rocket or are you

saying like, just soul car?

No, no, yeah.

So they'd rocket it up in some form of rock capsule.

And then it would arrive on the moon.

And instead of man on the moon,

it would open the car, drive out,

and then the Tesla would say something quite witty.

It would say one small charge

for mankind.

I'll say him, he's found out about this.

They know.

How do they know about that?

I'm about ready to like a villain,

about to shoot a Tesla to me.

Poor astronaut inside.

The next one is, we talked about this a few

days ago, a defender owners.

So in particular, this is something I've

noticed on motorways, we were talking about

this about just defender owners in general.

But if you see something, I'm

26:54 Defender Owners and Their Uncomfortable Journeys

talking about old defenders,

not new defenders.

New defenders are a different defender.

Original defenders.

Where they're all like, oh, my cousin is a

147 centimeters long, and it's got a pickup,

and mine actually used to serve in the war,

and mine was the kings, and there's always

something about them.

There is a reason why your defender is the

most special defender.

It's the only one that was made,

and I rebuilt it eight times.

But why is everyone in the defender always so

uncomfortable?

Everyone talks about their defender,

they go, it's great.

It's great, it goes anywhere.

Yeah, obviously not the M40 though.

They're in there, some man in a hat,

or something in some green.

(laughs)

His windows are steamed up.

Yeah.

Inevitably, his windows are steamed up.

Or, if it's very hot, his windows are down.

Yeah.

Because he's just getting--

And he's got his front vents open.

He's just getting wind in his face,

and his parlor, or whoever is in the passenger.

His sheep.

Very, very miserable, or sheep,

or dog.

But it's never sheep though,

is it?

No, no, it's never sheep.

No.

Because no one's taking sheep up the motorway.

In the deferral, they jump in,

we just head down London for a day.

Yeah, yeah.

Back and forth services, we'll get chopsticks.

(laughs) But the steering wheel's here,

and it's massive.

It's like they can barely hold the steering wheel.

I bet they can't turn it.

No, in an emergency, they can't,

they're dead.

So the reason that we came up with this,

and B, this is a great game that we now play,

when we're on the motorway, is look at the

Defender Oda, see how unhappy they are,

'cause they are.

But the reason this came up is that one of my

very good friends, it runs a Land Rover

restoration company, and he's got multiple

defenders, and I've driven them a few times.

Keep completely real with you,

I hate them.

(laughs) I can't get the joke,

I usually can understand the character,

also sorry Will if you're watching,

is I can usually understand the character in

a car and be like, I can see the beat,

the beat's not a good car.

It's not useful in any way, shape or form,

but it's somehow endearing enough that it's,

you know, but I just don't get it.

The only things that redeem them,

is that people say the redeemer's them,

is that they're bad.

Ah, it's just, that's just how they are.

Ah, mine's got that diesel engine,

it's got eight horsepower.

We got a voice note from Will the other day,

I couldn't hear what he was saying,

because it was just (mumbles) and then the

other day I went to go and see him and he got

this, there was a new one that he was

restoring and he went, oh, this one's,

this one's quite good, 'cause it doesn't have

a bulkhead, it's got a rear seat.

You can actually slide your seat to where you

should be, so you can sit normally.

(laughs) That's not a pro.

It shouldn't be that 80% of them don't fit a human.

And one of them's, if you option this one,

you might sit normally.

But it is genuinely funny, have a look at the

fender driver next.

Also, if you drive a fender,

you know you're not comfortable.

You're miserable as sin.

I'd say 95% of the time.

Also, because there's a possibility of a breakdown.

Oh, 100%, yes, you might be able to fix it at

the side of the road with a rag and a spanner

or whatever, but it doesn't matter.

Car's still broken down.

But there's always this weird vibe about it.

It's like, yeah, but it's fine.

You know what, it's good off road though.

Yeah.

(laughs) Okay.

Go there.

Okay.

We'll try that off the next episode.

Let's see what happens.

Yeah, if you just come off the M40 Exit 4,

there's just an off road course.

You know, between Exit 4 and 5,

yeah, yeah.

So it's just like a bit green.

You just want to take the jump off there.

You should be all right.

That was a horizon.

Genuinely, have a look at the next Defender

owner you see on the motorway.

They will look measurable.

Yeah.

And then they'll post on Instagram going,

oh my God.

You just went out with Scrongle this weekend

and loved it.

(laughs) Yeah, it's just sinking around town.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you have to do five 25 point turns.

This week, Defender owners next week will

come up with someone else's tail.

(laughs) So, I like the way they look.

Yeah, they're cool.

I think they look cut as someone anyway.

I like the way they look and I appreciate

that they come with very good off road.

Like they're kind of a go-to thing for that

and farmers and what such.

Pass that.

Yeah, that's where we are.

Also, just buy an old brain driver.

If you want sadness and you want to have to

deal with fixing something every day,

you might as well have something that is nice.

So it's like, it's really good off road.

Or so I just daily a motocross bike.

(laughs) Or a quad bike.

Yeah, this is my parry-de-car truck.

It's just, you know, a nice one,

Marla Gallon.

It's my new daily.

Very good.

31:08 Cash Kai Alhambra Story

Defender on us.

If you have a defense, defend yourself,

you don't.

You defend it yourself.

You will have an Instagram page that goes,

you.

(laughs) Right.

Next up, we've got, who's next on the hit list?

Cash Kai, Alhambra vibes.

Okay, well, this is a, I think we may,

we might have touched on it before,

but years and years and years ago,

this was in your E46 M3.

I think we were.

We were in, on the back roads near where my

parents live, which there's really nice back roads.

And I think we were going out to take photos

of your car or something.

And then it was a say at Alhambra.

(laughs) And now talking of parried car.

Or, you know what it was?

He was on an Irish rally stage.

This was, he had a co-pilot.

He was for, he was flat out.

Colin McCray was behind the wheel of that say

at Alhambra.

Also, come up behind it and you're thinking,

right, say Alhambra, he's just gonna hold me up.

Like, I'm looking for a place to overtake,

I couldn't.

No, he was.

And like, the tuck and lean through corners,

I can still see it in my head today.

The momentum in the carry.

All corners was insane.

And we were saying at the time,

it's someone local to the area.

They have been driving that road.

And what it is, it's not someone going,

"We, I'm gonna go for it."

That's just a local person.

He's just getting from A to B.

He's going from A to B, they just know the

roads, like the back of the hand,

they go, "I'm doing 110 through that corner."

Easy.

And I was reminded of it, 'cause I was

dropping the wheels off this the other day.

I was in the Merc, so I have a good amount of power.

And then, say, Miss Ankashkai,

that was absolutely flying.

And I was like, it wasn't as smooth as the Alhambra.

The Alhambra had, you know, four-time rally

driver behind the wheel.

I trusted with my life.

This guy was a little bit more erratic,

but still absolutely going for it.

So I was hanging back a bit more,

but I was like, "I need to kind of,

I need to, I need to see this."

This is incredible.

We came up to a corner and he liftoff

overstayed into like just a normal,

just a bend in a, on a country road.

I saw the back end step out of a Nissan

Gashkai and expected full brakes hazards

through the wind day.

Just adding a bit of a, with a full rally helmet on.

(laughs) Mickie Hackman just absolutely said it.

No, no.

No brake lights, no nothing.

Just pat, pat, pat on through.

No slower into the next corner.

Absolutely send me get.

And it was on the local roads around here,

which can be sketchy.

But I was in awe.

It was like I was at a rally.

I was watching, I was in third person.

We need a Grand Prix for these people.

I don't know how quite how you find them,

because for one you have to catch them.

You can't catch them, you need to catch them.

When I say this, he lost me.

And it wasn't from lack of trying,

he just left me.

We need an unsung hero, Grand Prix,

where it's just a couple of people,

or a grid of like 10 or so.

Oh, Canberra.

Really, Al-Hambre in here.

Oh, our safety car.

Been looking good in practice.

Never touches the brakes, this guy.

Because he doesn't have any.

You've got the cash guy.

And you just have all of these people.

It'd be so good.

But in every town, there is someone that you

see drive again, completely bog-standard,

normal car,

34:18 Running Red Lights at Night Discussion

but just send it, just knows the town.

Yeah, he knows the roads.

Yeah, he did 50 throughout red light,

don't worry about it.

I have a question for you.

And if you'd like to, perhaps,

if you want to read the question,

and also perhaps look at the time at which I...

Is this further up?

So, okay, we've got a message that's come

through at 10.40 at night.

Yeah, so I'm on the way home,

it was a late night.

Do you run lights late at night?

This is a hypothetical.

Why would you ask this question?

This is completely hypothetical,

but I want to know, and mainly from people

watching, 'cause it's a bigger consensus,

but you paint the scene, you turn up to a set

of temporary traffic lights.

Yeah, temporary.

It's now, I mean, call it temporary.

10.14, let's say.

10.14, on Wednesday.

Now it's dead, it's the middle of nowhere,

like this is not in town.

No one's there, it's a two-way,

so you can see ahead.

You can see both sides.

Round the corner or anything like that.

Not round the corner, no nothing,

but it is a red light.

Are you running that light?

Absolutely, yes.

Ben?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dad, Ben said that was a spark.

Ben's been waiting.

Ben's been waiting.

Me too.

I would hypothetically--

You're not waiting.

No, obviously I'm waiting legally,

but hypothetically, if I can see the other

side of it, I'm going through it.

You go, right.

Because also, it's like a witch restriction

at that point.

Exactly.

Not dangerous.

Okay, so now here's my question.

Okay, now it's a three-way control.

So you can see that there's no one at the

junction, but there could be someone coming

down the street, you can't see that there's

no one coming down the street.

Is it dark?

Yeah.

Now darkness, I believe, provides you with

some more foresight.

Yeah.

You can see where lights go.

Agreed.

Now, there may be someone without lights,

in which case,

Then is it dark?

Why are they driving without lights?

Yeah, well, we're driving about like,

see that green light for us.

I'm going through a green light.

What are you lights on?

Red light was green, but it was dark,

so I went.

Yeah, I probably, I might run the gauntlet,

depends on the scenario.

Right, okay, but now same scenario as the

first one, ignore the 30, it's just a red light,

right?

You're at a junction, but it's just a normal

red light at a junction.

Are you doing it?

I'm not.

No.

That's funny, isn't it funny that there's

this weird, because it's a real light,

one's a fake light.

He's not, at least don't cover those ones.

No, exactly.

But you know he's not, he's not like a red light camera.

Yeah.

But you're middle of the night,

red light, no one else is

there, are you running it?

I have, I'm fairly sure I've been,

I have gone through a red light,

but again, I will, again, so there's people

gonna be, you can't do that,

you can, sometimes.

Sometimes you've owned four people.

Sometimes you've owned like,

it's not sat upright, it's not built,

it's not built right, I don't know how they

work, but sometimes I don't know,

why am I waiting for four minutes at a light?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair.

But that's, it's an interesting

concept, a temporary traffic light,

'cause I, if any of you are upset by the idea

that you would run a temporary traffic light,

L for you, that's fine.

If you can see on the other side,

and you're not going, you're full.

Yeah.

But for some reason, socially,

you see a number of normal red light,

you're like,

No.

Nah, I couldn't do that.

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

I would believe that a police car would be,

they'd be--

'Cause you'd be sat there at the red light,

and you would be going, should I?

Shouldn't I?

And then you would do it, that a police car would appear.

Absolutely, yeah.

But for some reason, the temporary one,

never appears.

Nah, I'd be right.

People you go through as well.

But how often isn't, 'cause a temporary light

generally is because they're with the streets

on the road, 'cause they're working on one

side of the road, right?

Yeah.

But how often is a number like making it like

a one way, like how often are you coming up

to one a light where it's your head on with

someone that's just blocking off one side,

not very often?

Usually it'll be like a crossroads around about well.

It's not.

Do you currently run it in the same way?

I have experienced this.

This has just come to my brain.

Near I am currently living.

There is a, I literally 60 seconds from my journey.

30 seconds.

30 seconds.

30 seconds.

There is a T-junction.

Here you go.

And it gets, there was a red light there.

So there was obviously there are three sets

of lights here.

Three sets of lights and I'm at the T.

True.

I'm in the T.

I'm in the leg of the T.

There is always traffic.

Yeah.

Now recently, all those lights died.

The absolute free-flowing beauty.

Oh, isn't it funny?

It was more dangerous.

Yeah, 100%.

It was more dangerous.

I did T-bone for people.

(laughing)

There were bodies everywhere.

But this was for about like,

I wanna say four or five days maybe,

it was like this.

And never traffic?

No.

Everything just moved smoothly.

Because people would just wait,

they would go past where the light is,

wait and wait for the road to be clear.

And when the road was clear,

they would continue.

Now, someone will go and ruin that by

T-boneing a family of five, and then we all

have to sit out of red light.

But, why didn't it work for those glorious moments?

It was so nice.

And you could speed through it.

(laughing)

You got hundreds through that red light.

(laughing)

But yeah, let us know in the comments,

'cause I just had that thought,

hypothetically.

I think we should just turn all the lights off.

39:27 Turning Traffic Lights Off Discussion

Oh, and see what happens.

In my life, the strong will make it.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, 'cause it's like when you're at a

roundabout waiting tenta, and there's someone

who's just clearly there, just

like, oh, I just don't know where,

I don't know if I can go.

Whereas other people are just like,

well, I'm going, you'll deal with it.

Whoever, have you ever?

Have you ever.

Here we go.

One, a slingshot.

Yep, you've done that.

Yep.

Next, right, let's say.

Let's say.

Slingshot is if you, let's say the left lane

is, so you're, so you're in the left,

there are two lanes on this roundabout.

Yep.

The left lane is going left,

but there's a load of traffic in that left lane.

Mm-hmm.

And you don't want to sit in that because

it's going to wait five minutes,

but the right lane is clear.

So in the right lane, you can go all the way

around the roundabout.

Because then, people that are in the queue,

they're obliged to let you in.

They must let you pass.

No, I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do it often.

I would.

Oh, here we go, Ben.

Very often, but even if there's no traffic.

Like constantly, you're just doing it lots.

If there's a queue, I'm doing that.

Oh, really?

It's streaming.

Why am I waiting?

I'm not, no, I don't care.

If you've had that thought, then you deserve

to be able to use that thought.

It's not legal.

If I'm looking at a queue, it's when I'm

going as well.

That's the thing, I think the only time,

I think I've done it twice and it's when I've

been late and I've, like, I'm quite happy to

sit in, if I'm not happy to sit in traffic,

but if, look, if I've made my timings right

and I sit in a bit of traffic,

fair do's, but if I'm like late for some

other reason, I'm doing whatever I need to do

to get there.

And 'cause I don't like being like,

do you know what else I am?

You get too many roundabout and then,

like, there's all three corners.

I'm always going.

All three corners, everyone stops going,

oh, I don't, I'm going, I don't care.

I thought about this the other day.

I don't know that there's ever been a time

that I haven't just gone.

Hey, if we hit, we hit.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Most people, they're not just gonna hit you,

are they?

No, but they all sat there.

Yeah, they might, but I am.

They all sat there, Dilly Dally,

and go, oh, who's right, why is it?

You know what, the first person to go,

it's me.

First person to go.

First person to go.

You said the word Dilly Dallying in the

podcast, quite like that.

It's two lanes, the left lane goes straight.

Yeah?

The right lane doesn't go straight.

Oh, the person at the front is hanging around.

Yep.

Are you utilizing that free right lane?

Now I am, to make the jump.

Now that, I will agree, is shitty,

because you're, it's wrong.

It is absolutely wrong, but I will do it.

Wait, what is it?

So, you have a roundabout.

Congratulations.

Thanks guys, yeah.

I've been awarded a roundabout.

Cost the council four million pounds.

You are approaching a roundabout,

and there is a queue in the left lane,

the left lane goes straight,

let's say, in this time.

The right lane only goes right,

the right lane.

The right lane.

The right lane.

No.

I was gonna go right, but then.

You could swing shot.

Yeah.

Four, because what I'm saying is,

is the person at the front is Dilly Dallying.

For sure.

Used to, is Dilly Dallying, and everyone

behind it's going, "Well, I'll just wait here

then, would I?"

(laughs)

To make it a bit more homely for you.

Is it me in the front?

The person at the front, for all end though,

they're gonna pass away.

People would still sit by behind them,

or are you gonna, I'm not gonna say race,

are you gonna drive up that free right lane

and take your path?

I'm not doing that.

See you at best work.

Unless I'm real late and I am doing that.

What I'm doing, I'm hitting them with the,

oh, this is this lane?

I'm hitting them with the racing line across

the roundabout.

Maybe click the curve on the way through.

Two wheels, straight over.

I'm out of the window time, where you going?

It's a hazard, straight away,

it's a straight, sorry.

If only I could have seen that.

Please forgive me.

I could have seen that you'd sit at the

roundabout for five minutes.

To be honest.

Yeah, I'm doing that.

This is great, you know?

That's the worst one, you've ever met.

The police are watching this,

going, yep.

Add that one to the list, another one.

Hypothetically.

Hypothetically.

You know I did it.

I don't know where.

Yeah, I did it.

You might still be able to get me out of there.

I did it in South Africa when I was 11.

The cream podcast is, I don't know why I

might add a little bit of that.

The cream podcast is merely a thought experiment,

guys.

This is where we can be safe and we cannot talk about.

The cream podcast is a safe space.

It has been hanging.

Hang on, no, no, wait, wait,

wait, wait, we don't condone it.

No, no, no, no.

I don't not condone it though.

No, no, no, no, no, we don't condone it.

I don't condone it.

We're not doing it.

That's the one.

I'm not condemning or condoning.

If I discuss a crime on a podcast,

I didn't commit the crime.

Just discuss it.

Whoever smelt it, dealt it really.

So it's the viewers fault.

(both laugh)

If you've thought about it, it's wrong.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you even let that thought into your mind,

you're as bad as that.

It means you might do it.

Also, I was trying to justify,

no, you're as bad as I.

You know what, games don't have a bad

influence on the

44:08 Forum Question: Talking Bolts to Spec

way people.

Okay, so that's the, I believe forum.

Ben, do

you have a question for us?

Got a couple, 'cause we

missed it last week.

Yes.

I felt bad and we had

comments saying they missed it,

so we have two.

Perfect.

So in every podcast, we like to do a section

called The Forum.

It is a nod to the car forums of the 2000s

where we probably learnt most of the stuff we

know about, and car people can be,

you know, a, what do you call it,

know at all bunch.

So this is your chance to ask us a question

that we will ask, we will answer,

sorry, with no judgment.

Benjamin, lace us up.

Right.

Right, so I can't remember the actual

question I lost it somewhere,

so what we're gonna do is basically someone

asked, is it important to actually talk your

bolts to spec on a car?

'Cause you know that every single bolt has a

torque spec, and you guys work on cars a lot.

That's a good question.

If I'm working on a McLaren F1,

I'm talking everything.

That guy's getting straight talked.

If it's my car, I need a list of numbers on that car.

Yeah, give me numbers.

If I'm talking the tire valve caps,

everything's getting talked.

Key in the door.

But the guy does that one just random house.

Everything, yeah.

But if it's my car,

anything that's like integral to the engine,

head bolts, obviously, I might do a

tensioner, 'cause I don't want to strip the

thread out or block or head,

stuff like that works, and wheels.

I will do wheels.

Never did wheels.

I used to never, yeah.

I used to never, but wheels was like,

I'd just do it up.

I used to do it up with a ratchet.

No, yeah, I'm going big.

If I'm doing it without a torque wrench on a

wheel, I'm going big style into it.

I need a breaker bar.

I'm talking that guy.

Wheels, I would advise.

I never did torque wheel nuts or bolts,

whatever, until my wheel fell off.

After that, I was like, you know what,

that might teach you something,

I think.

I thought that was because when you put

spacers on, you're always told to check your

wheel bolts, like 100 miles,

200 miles later, because I don't know what

the science is there, but why is it,

I put a little bit of metal in and then my

bolts go, I think I'll leave.

I don't like these.

Is this just a wheel?

I'll stay.

If you put a little, you should put a 25 mill

of space or 10, whatever it is,

I think I'm going to back out.

I'm going to head out, which is exactly what happened.

I had like, yeah, every single bolt backed

out and then my wheel came off.

Yeah, that's tough with my girlfriend in the car.

She reminds me of that.

Oh, that's tough.

That's a tough one.

But yeah, wheel bolts, that's a good place to start.

Yeah, very good with talking wheels.

Also, just a good habit to get into,

just talking things.

Get a big one at first that just as your

wheel bolts, does your crank hub do that.

It's very hard, very annoying.

CV hubs, I will do to, sorry,

CV, Audi Call, end bolts.

You know what, CV?

I thought of, so I've just done that engine

thing on the clear road.

And then I was looking at, I was like,

cool, I had a list of talk values for an engine.

I had to go by this.

And then you get ones that go,

right, talk it to that.

And then 360 degrees.

I hate it, I absolutely hate it.

Now, I had to buy that stupid little gauge

thing, which didn't really work.

It was very tough to say it's tough to use.

So that basically means you talk it up to,

let's say it's 180 new to me as you get the click.

And then you need to go 360 degrees or

whatever it is

around it again, which often on that is tough.

Also, why is it never 360?

180, kind of.

I think I've done one that's like,

now do a turn of 130 degrees.

Why?

Make it something that I know it's either,

if I'm at the bottom, I need to go to the top

or I need to go fully around.

I was gonna say, because otherwise,

could you not just mark the bolt?

Yeah.

And then you'd know exactly where 180 is.

Yeah, you could do that.

But how do you know where 130 is?

Exactly.

Well, I'll get the protractor out.

The protractor's not coming out when I'm

working on the belt.

That thing is the compass.

That's the one.

Drawing a circle.

Or a circle around the bolt.

It's not shading the middle.

Yeah, yeah, talk things, but also talk

wrenches can be expensive.

They can be, yeah.

They get like basic ones, quite cheap,

but they may die.

Yeah.

Some of you may die.

But that isn't a sacrifice anyway.

So they do get, you'll realize you get,

"Oh, talk wrenches, 20 quid."

And then you get really expensive ones.

It goes, "Ah, cool, this one's 3000 pounds."

Yeah.

Don't go for either.

But don't get too scared by that.

Just buy a good one.

Halfords.

To be honest, as much shit as we talk,

Halfords.

Pretty good.

What's called products?

Tools.

Yeah.

Halfords tools.

And we have a, what is it, a worth one?

A worth one?

A worth one's good.

And we have an AC Delco, smaller one that was off Amazon.

I think that was 40 pounds for a 3.8.

Now, I bought, I bought a small,

how was that?

3.8?

A

quarter.

Quarter inch.

Yeah.

Yeah, the smaller one.

The quarter inch, very small one.

What was the brand?

I don't remember.

No?

I actually can't remember.

Where was he from?

He was from Amazon.

Okay.

He was from Amazon.

And when he turned up, his name on the box,

I thought, I don't really trust that.

Yeah.

But he's only for very small ones.

Also, yeah.

Here's a, here's a, what's called a claim.

I don't think it matters if it's on a quarter inch.

If it's quarter inch, I just do them tight.

Yeah.

Hand tight, we're not hand tight.

All my engine bolts, hand tight.

No.

No.

It's in hand tight plus a cinch.

Just, just, just, just.

Just a little.

Yeah.

And then once you look at the bolt head,

you go, there it is.

It's kind of like the thread,

yes.

Okay, so I'm happy with that.

What's our second one?

The second form question, which I would

imagine is probably more for you,

Edwin.

This was a man called Ben Molke.

I'm sorry if I messed up that conversation.

That's you.

That's not my last name.

Oh.

Who DM'd me on Instagram and said,

"Form question for you, currently trying to

buy 90 JDM wheels for my LS 400,

where should I look to buy wheels and do you

have any wheel suggestions?"

And LS 400.

Go, go, Kranzys, go, like, you know,

VIP spec for LS 400, if you,

Chrome beats, you know, the kind of twist,

guys.

What do you find, Will's Ebay,

Ebay, Facebook, Ebay and Facebook will be

your best bet for finding used ones.

It depends, if you wanna pay scene tax,

i.e.

someone who's already found them,

you will find people are kind of selling lots

of sets of wheels, like what I used to do at

a good amount of markup.

If you're lucky, you can find what I

50:21 Forum Question: JDM Wheels for LS 400

like to do, like I did when I used to buy and

sell lots of wheels, is find the fitment that

you like, the wheel, kind of,

whatever it is, if it's a five by one 14

point very, join cars that have that fitment

and size that you tend to like,

like I joined a load of Evo groups back in

the day to buy wheels from.

And then you'll just find people going,

I'm breaking this car, here's some cool wheels.

So things that, I think an LS 400 will be

five by one 14 point three.

So, but you want a little bit bigger,

you want like 17s or 18s, I'm gonna assume.

So yeah, doing that, but yeah,

don't pay, don't pay scene tax.

They used to be a really cool website,

it might still exist, called Wheel Hores.

This one called Rob, I was looking on it.

Rims, it tells you, literally lists car and

you can put in

the PCD.

Oh, and what it looks like.

ET everything and it gives you examples.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's one on different wheels.

That is, so that is a Rims.

Oh, why is that, well I've got that.

Rims.

It's a, that is a very famous site.

I've been using that site.

It's really tuck.

Yes, okay.

Rims tuck.

So that, there's that and then there's also

some American ones that are,

I forget what their name, they sell wheels

and there's a gallery that you can go through

and work, those are mega helpful 'cause you

can work out what wheels fit under your

arches and what people have run.

Look, you got to stand on the shoulders of

giants, work out what someone else has run

and improve it.

So it's good, if you know what size,

what your bulk pattern is, what size is,

what that, then search from there.

Yeah.

And rather than going, I have Nissan 350Z,

I want some 350Z wheels.

Yeah.

So you're limiting yourself 'cause there will

be a, I did that years ago and I had an

alpha, I was like, I have an alpha Romeo,

what space, I need to buy alpha Romeo spaces.

Yeah, no.

If you find the fitment and then you go on

eBay and you realize, ah, this is also the

same as a voxel, this is also--

Yeah, you can find all sorts of different things fit.

So do, do, do, do, do, do a learn.

Yeah, also just have a look,

have a look around the internet.

You can use, I use Instagram a lot of the

time for inspiration.

Just put in your calm model and just look at

modified ones.

And then once you've found some wheels,

you're gonna have to do some more research,

then find out what the name of that wheel is.

See if you can find other examples.

You'll probably find a forum thread of

someone going, yeah, these are 17 by eight

and a half ET35.

Look at their photos go, I could fit that,

I could run that.

Make your decision from there.

So yeah, surf the internet, there will be,

there's no kind of right answer.

You have to wait for the right set to come up.

I used to hoard wheels 'cause I never knew

when, you know, another cool set would come

up, but that's 'cause I'm broken.

I can't stop it.

Right, we, we're not gonna end with a car

conspiracy like we have for the last few,

even though we do still love that.

Don't worry, that's not going anywhere.

We haven't had an argument.

for a while.

And there was, the other day,

the basis of an argument to start on.

Ben, I think you-- In the car on the way to

lunch, we were talking about car sizes.

Yes.

And a car can be too big.

Let me preface with that.

Here we go.

And Will, 'cause I understand you already had

a-- I heard Ben say, save it for the podcast.

So, that means you have a-- I've been saying

that there is a perfect size of car,

which, it baffles me because there are so

many uses for it.

53:30 Perfect Car Size Debate

BMW 3 Series, Mercedes C-Class,

that's shape and size, he's perfect.

I don't want you to move a wardrobe.

But also-- Sorry.

Okay.

How often you move in a wardrobe?

I don't know.

When people move into houses.

Okay.

And you hire a movement or a van for a wardrobe.

Did you move your entire house when you moved

recently in your range?

I did a lot of it.

Did you do a wardrobe?

I did a wardrobe, yeah.

In your-- I

want photos.

Small one.

Now hold your horse.

Because you made a statement there.

Six sizes of BMW 3 Series or C-Class.

That's the size.

When?

For just no when did I ask?

No.

So a three class of what generation?

Because a three-- did I say three class?

Crazy.

That's both of them.

A three series?

Oh, roughly that size.

No, no.

But of what-- because if you take in your fit

in E30 versus-- Okay, a new one.

Some sort of modern car that is roughly three

series size.

A sort of medium size saloon car.

Perhaps a medium size wagon.

One day, I'll ask.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's best size.

What I'm thinking you have in your head is

somewhere around E46 E90, that Monteo gen--

Yeah, maybe an S-E class gen.

30.

Okay, that's newer.

That's bigger.

Yeah, but it's not that much bigger.

It's still easy.

If you put my 46 next to one,

that is a much bigger-- that is like an E39

next to E46.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, like Range Rover,

your Range Rover.

It's too big.

That's a crazy statement.

Too big for what?

Why is it too big?

A car that you have to-- Anywhere.

You have to lumber it about a little bit.

You've got to think about how you're placing

it a bit more, parking it's a bit more difficult.

This is since he crashed.

No, he's not.

You really got to think about it.

He's been crashing it into the beat and

went-- it would have all been easier.

I went home in the micro car.

But what do you-- right, so now I can understand this.

In this country, if you own a Hummer H1--

Yes.

If you own a Cybertruck-- A Cybertruck.

--some kind of ridiculous car that isn't

built for these streets, that doesn't go

through width restrictions.

It doesn't fit in car parks.

You know, one of those-- what was it?

G-Wagon 4x4 squared.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Have you ever been getting that in a car park?

No.

There's no point.

There's no point.

Like that, I can get it.

Because then, that's hassle.

You've essentially got super car inconvenience.

Yeah.

Am I not in Range Rover?

It's too big.

Are you a child?

But why?

Why is it too big?

What is too big about it?

I don't like any car that I want.

If I'm driving, I have to think about how I'm

maneuvering it.

But you don't.

The moment you've driven-- But you have an

X5, which is 80% of the way there.

It's too big.

Oh, you're gay.

But that's interesting.

I really, really like it as a car.

Yeah, it comes down to it.

It's too big.

But are you not gaining confidence in that vehicle?

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm more confident driving because of it.

But I drove a Range Rover, and it's fine.

But he's still-- I'm thinking.

I don't want to think.

That's interesting.

But I think that's just time.

You'll get used to it.

I think it's experience.

Yeah.

I remember my dad had a very big crash.

We had a Volvo XC90, one of the older ones.

And I remember him driving that around.

And it wasn't like he struggled to drive it

or anything like that.

I remember sitting there as a child and

thinking, I feel like this just feels big to

drive around.

Like to get through UK roads and stuff.

Why are you laughing?

But also, why is that funny?

I remember thinking that at a young age,

with a raindrops bit.

Dad, my age is a bit big.

Dad, have you thought of a free ship?

Come on, mate, get something you can imagine.

No, because he was driving it fine.

It was just the fact that I remember

thinking, like, this man is having to think about.

Here's what I'm going to say.

You have three siblings, correct?

Three brothers, yeah.

Right.

So you think from your dad's perspective,

he's like, right, I need to fit three kids.

A wife and probably a boot full of children's

equipment and

bags and what such.

If he's pulling up in an E90 saloon,

it's

cramped.

Oh, no, well, he had no issue with it.

I don't

know why I had a thought.

I remember thinking, like, this

is, like, oh, sir, because there's a,

we're going to the beach and I remember,

we were going to, like, little wiggly lanes.

I remember thinking, like, if you had a

smaller car, you shouldn't have to keep

stopping and let people through.

Right, it's too small, right?

It's just too small.

It's too big, sorry, I was saying,

it's just too big.

But you, plus three, that's,

so you've got four children,

right?

Plus, adults, let's just say two adults.

You're not getting any 90.

No, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

No, but this is, this is my,

I haven't got four kids.

Would you rather that?

The solution to that problem is a,

people carry out.

Would you rather that?

We have one of those.

But then, but what I'm saying is better,

but then you agree.

That's too big, too.

He's just a big square now.

So what do you put multiple people in?

A bus, limos.

But then Ben, you agree with Will's

statement, which is, it depends on the person.

Oh, of course it depends.

But I think I would, I don't want a car

that's, well, I do.

I have an ex-wife.

Yeah, I was gonna say.

All you do is you drive back and forth

between the unit with, yes.

And it's because my, I live in the

countryside and I live like,

all right, flex.

I live like, I live like, I live like 40 minutes.

All right.

So are you living in the countryside and

edges and edges?

(laughing) Best film.

It takes me about 40 minutes to get to the

motorway from where I live and I have to go

for a lot of lanes and stuff to get to the motorway.

One of the motorway, fine.

X5, he loves it.

He just wobbles along the motorway,

happy days.

But that, when I get off the motorway and

even it's late, I got a drive back.

I got, I said, oh, and then,

and then you've got to like,

think about not driving it through big old

storm drains and, and like, no one can just drive.

Why not turn it through a storm drain?

Oh, it's a bit crashy.

Even worse.

That's what I mean.

But it would be thinner.

So it would be easier to.

But the Clio, that's trekked through there.

You drive the Clio to work.

Yeah.

You're loving it through those lanes.

It's great.

And then you get to the motorway and you go,

because he's Christ.

Oh, she had something nicer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But so it's a size thing now.

Absolutely.

Such is such is life.

That is a hundred percent of size thing.

No, it's all coil over.

No, that's, that's, that's not that the eight

series is not, is on lowering springs,

which is very crashy.

Yeah.

He's big.

He's a big guy.

He, he's right.

Do you know what he is?

He's too big.

Oh, he is for a coupe.

He's, I, I love that car, but he's too big.

But of course it is, but that's the whole point.

It's excess.

Yeah.

It's, it's built to be a no one else has this.

Also car parking spaces.

I'm trying to get like this image in my head

of this perfect car.

Is it a car that fits perfectly your belongings?

Like, like to a tee.

It's, it's built for bed, mon around me.

It has little like cutouts.

You know what it is?

It's the, it's, it's Mr.

Plough.

Sorry.

The Canyon Arrow.

No, what is it?

The car from the Simpsons that Homer built

and it's deliberately for him.

It's the ridiculous.

ridiculous car.

It's just like a three series.

What's wrong with it?

It's not a small car.

Okay.

But why, okay.

Here's a question.

Why not the micro car?

What's wrong with them?

Well, that's too small.

Okay.

So one size up the beat.

Why?

What's what?

Why does it need to, what needs to be bigger?

We can't buy anything in there.

It's not just a big, bigger.

It's gonna be smooth on the motor.

Okay.

It's gonna probably have a bigger engine if it's bigger.

So it's probably a better gearbox.

It'll sit a bit nice.

So a little dasius andeiro.

Yeah, like a Ford Fiesta.

Sandeiro.

I thought it was about size.

It was about size.

It was about size.

That's not what I find.

That's refined to that.

Focuses.

Focuses, he's getting up there.

I don't think you need much bigger than that.

Golf size is good.

For normal daily ability, golf size is decent.

Smaller than that.

It's

fine.

You get the perfect size and you get too big.

But why

is it perfect?

Everything was perfect.

Balloon or a touring?

Touring is quite big.

But it's the same size as a saloon.

It's just a bit taller.

It's a bit higher.

Okay.

At one bit, it's a bit higher.

Yeah.

That's fine.

But you might struggle.

I'm not saying I struggle to drive the X5.

It's just you have to think about it more

than it's annoying.

I do think that is where it comes from.

Yeah, it has to be.

Ben didn't say any of this.

Ben was hunking

in the castle.

And now he's like, I might just smash him.

No.

I've crashed Harry.

Well, okay.

Well, this might be an argument that we need

to pick back up another time.

This is quite nice.

We'll have to assault them with some more

facts and things next.

But also, thank you, Ben, for being a good

sport as always.

Comment next week.

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