Ranking The Best Ferraris, IYKYK Cars and a M5 Taxi - C.R.E.A.M. #84

0:00 Rule or Ruin: Edwin's New Ferrari

Why do we always make outfits like medieval peasants?

By

the winter's dawn, you won't do this.

Come the first April

shower, you shall not buy a car.

It's been a weird day for

it though, it's been sunny, but just always

good topic for

a podcast, the weather of the day.

Every single podcast, we ask ourselves,

if cars have ruled or ruined our lives this

week, Benjamin, all my by, would you like to

kick us off?

I'm going for a rule.

Wasn't that then?

My last week's ruin was rather lackluster.

Why is that?

I said I had to do basic car things like an MOT.

I had a lot to do last week,

so I was feeling it.

Done.

Done.

Yeah, MOT, fine, advisory.

One of those guys was cutting my tire,

which is not cool.

That's from when I tried to slash it,

sorry about that.

Yeah, that's great.

It's one of the, it's like not,

it's not a big deal.

He said to me, maybe get him changed at some

point, but it's safe.

Did you say, actually they all have cuts in them.

They are for dispersing water.

Yeah, that's where the wheels go,

now they hold the middle.

Actually, obviously I don't have slicks,

I can have those on the wall.

I looked at it, it's less of a cut and more

like the sidewall has sort of split slightly.

It's weird.

Interesting.

It's 'cause you've been haring into those

corners at 190 miles a hour.

Sitting on the M4.

It's like a dreadful fitment of yours.

On the golf.

Then the fitment, I was about to say,

what's the opposite of myster?

A loser.

Well, that being said, it's MOT that

has one advisory.

But fine.

I mean, it's 2000.

I haven't

sold it yet.

I've had many messages about possibly selling

it.

Now we are a few weeks ahead 'cause we have

upcoming

holidays and things.

So by now it might have been gone.

As

the listeners are listening,

it may have been gone.

This is

possibly the one to go.

And you definitely don't have a new car.

You definitely don't.

We know that for sure.

No, I don't know.

That's not even a teaser.

I don't have one.

I've been bullying Ben all day 'cause he keeps going.

I can't.

What happens is they make a point.

I say my response and they just don't listen

and carry on with that point.

That's just simply not true.

We do listen.

We just disagree.

Then that's fine.

Ben is the greatest creator of obstacles.

You are like a game creator.

I've literally told you in plain English

about six times exactly what my plan is.

Well, can you do it in a different language then please?

Ben does 100 meter hurdles.

He gets over the last one and just three

crosses the line.

He turns around and looks back

and goes, those hurdles look nice.

I'm going back that way.

And then just before that, he shoots himself

in his leg.

Goes and gets started, goes and blazes foot off.

I will buy a car at some point.

We have this bet that I won't buy one by the

end of the year.

Well, it's come up Millhouse for you 'cause

there was the bet that you wouldn't move out

by some of Solstice.

But we can talk about that.

No, I'm just saying, in general,

in general, that's looking like it's going to be fine.

We'll close though.

I will say it's close.

Oh, I also hate that.

No, we had this bit of camera that basically,

I said I'm moving and then Will said,

no, you're not going to move by some of Solstice.

I said, cool, whatever.

Why do we always make outfits like medieval peasants?

Why do we choose by the winter's dawn?

He will do it by summer solstice.

And on the first April shower,

you shall not buy.

Car.

And I am now moving, but apparently now

that's not okay because it's too close to

summer solstice.

I just think it's a shallow win.

Then on the flip side, you do have selling

the S2000 before summer solstice,

which you may or may not.

So it's to sell the car, I want to keep S200

then because I like the plate.

So I've taken that off.

And then must, when you do that,

you have to have a new V5 document sent to

you before you can switch over.

So I've now taken the plate off,

but the old plate back on, it fell off.

Nice.

Which was good.

And now I'm just waiting for a V5.

That's good.

Got a little wash.

Someone's going away very happy with that car.

I'll be very annoyed to see that car go all that.

Well, you could buy it.

No, I don't want that for me.

Okay.

I had to, after driving it, I wasn't that

impressed by them.

But not because of the engine,

right?

Yeah, no, not because of your car.

Yeah.

But have we, well, we explained about the

wheels, but we have to get on that in a bit.

But sorry.

Is that?

Is that?

No, actually not.

That's a rule because golf is chilling for a bet.

Actually, a thousand is almost ready to be sold.

And...

And thus end the fleet.

No, I have a car still.

I have a banana car.

I just don't buy it.

I don't think the cream is bad.

We don't buy it.

Ben talking about this car.

I won't buy it.

I'll have an update.

Oh, here we go.

On Ules.

Okay.

Just a quick one.

I won.

Again.

Again.

Is it three, three-wheel bed?

It's a three-round match and I've won every single round.

They keep getting back up off the canvas and

you just keep smacking them back down.

That's got to be TKO now.

That's got to be full.

You're dumb.

I called them and I said, because I

originally called them saying you need to

cancel these extra things you didn't cancel

and now I'm liable to.

Now, what did you actually say?

Please cancel it.

I don't know what I said.

I probably polite.

Yeah.

Nothing wrong with manners, is it?

Being rude won't make the PC and cancel any quicker.

And they said, yeah, this was on the Friday.

They said, on Monday, you will receive an email.

And they said, I'm so sorry.

They're very apologetic and

they cancel them, have an email confirmation.

There you go.

So often come free.

But you've had confirmations before,

have you not?

You've had sort of, you've felt off the hook

before, you know?

Yeah, but and they just, they pulled you back in.

They sent me a screenshot of their system.

Oh, sorry.

I don't know if they're allowed to do that,

but anyway, they did.

Just a whole desktop.

You can see all their files on there.

That's another tab.

Yeah, that would be tough.

I just was saying like all of the list of all

of them, and then it said a bit,

all of them were cancelled now,

including the two they didn't cancel.

And I also found all of the PCNs over there,

and I counted them, and they were 16.

So for now, Ben Rogers is safe from the PCN.

I'm sure they'll come back for some more,

but listen, we fought before,

let's go again.

Round four is going to, you know,

it's like sequels and movies,

where you go, I don't think it's going to

stand up to the first.

And you're like, I'm actually pleasantly

surprised that was quite good,

quite like that one.

Yeah, but we're not making it a fourth.

So four, we should be now PCN four,

is what we should, no, sorry,

we should just be PCN-N.

What would be the first one?

It would be the PCN and the Ben Rogers,

maybe.

If we want to go, yeah.

And then we'd be two PCN, two Ben Rogers.

Parking and the charge.

Then it would be- The parking and the charge notice.

Then it would be PCN, Ben Rogers,

Bristol issues.

perhaps.

And then this one should just be- Then it

should

just be PCN and Ben.

Okay.

That's what we're on right now.

Well, if anyone at Bristol City Council is

listening,

please just leave me alone.

Thanks so much.

Rule.

Despite the fact that- There is still no Escilago.

There's a red car behind us.

That's not yellow.

Which we will get on to.

We worked out what?

Is it going to be four weeks now for podcast?

Come.

Oh.

Okay.

I was not for it.

By the time this podcast out,

we will probably coming up on a

couple of months, I think.

Yeah, it must be coming up for two months.

You should have it by then.

I will have it by then.

Almost certainly.

Yesterday was a very good day.

8:00 V5 Document Issues and Car Payment Delays

I've been going through it for the last week

because there's been some, not issues as

such, just really annoying paperwork stuff.

So with finance stuff, especially with

auction and whatever else, it just gets a bit odd.

So they've been waiting to pay out for the car.

There was an issue with the V5.

I was panicking for a while because I got a

call saying, "Hey, we're going to pay out,

but we found out it's a new V5,

so we don't want to pay out till we see a V5."

So that's annoying.

I didn't know that.

Why isn't there a V5?

That car hasn't had a V5 for the last five years.

And for people outside of the UK,

V5 is essentially like, "Our proof of

ownership, but it's not a proof of ownership."

It's just a piece of paper that says,

"I'm taking care of this car right now."

This is the person who, it's where speeding

tickets would go to and whatever else.

It's your title.

Or where PCNs go to.

Exactly that.

So there wasn't one of those.

Basically, the car's been off the road for

five years and hasn't been taxed for five

years and has had a V5 for five years.

So you then have to go off and do a thing

called a V62, which is where you put a form

out and you say, "This is me.

I've lost a V5.

Here's the 25 pounds.

Please send the new one."

I was told that the previous owner did that

shortly before the auction.

And as it sits, we're coming up on four

weeks, which means that that should be done by now.

It isn't.

But how long is the V62 take usually?

Could take two weeks, could take four to six weeks.

Six is about the most it should be.

But average, what were we saying?

It's probably four weeks, not only.

We've done them before and normally you're

waiting a month.

Sometimes they're very fast.

It depends.

If you've got more details, the better.

If you know the previous person's postcode,

what sort of stuff?

It speeds it up a lot.

But the problem is, I'm not doing it.

I'm relying on the previous owner doing it.

And yeah, they said they did it before the auction.

When before the auction?

I have no idea.

And then I heard that they called me and

said, oh, no, actually, we don't need the V5.

So good.

So they said to me yesterday,

yeah, all good.

We're going to pay out.

And then I caught another call today saying,

oh, no, they didn't pay out.

They just want a couple more details.

Can you confirm that you know the car was crash damaged?

blah, blah, blah.

So I've sent another email and apparently

that is it.

That is all.

And tomorrow the car will be paid for and I

can go and get the car picked up.

So the car has been sat in storage for three

and a bit weeks, almost four weeks now.

I'm hoping end of this week.

So we're filming this on Wednesday by Friday.

You're here, Ben.

I'm here Friday because I'm off next week.

If I can get someone to pick it up on that

short notice in a sort of enclosed thing,

then Friday.

Because also when we got a little exciting

happening next week, all as well.

It will be out.

It's been a great guy to cut weight.

So we'll say it now because it's up in the air.

We'll put this into the ether.

Yeah.

Behind us is the Audi R6.

The power will be revealed definitely by then.

We made a lot of power with this car,

as you've probably seen.

For us, that was just a day or two ago.

But the goal for it was to take it to

Dunsfold to the top kid Hestraken,

race it against some faster cars.

And we wanted the Mercilago and the Tuscan to be there.

Yeah.

Because that's cool.

And we wanted our mate Benjamin to be there

because we said Benjamin, this is going to be

a great day.

It's going to be super cars there.

Yeah.

It's going to be all of our cars.

We're going to have a great day at the Top

Gear Test Track, the place we watch.

We went, I'm off to Barbados.

True.

True or untrue?

True.

True.

You chartered the private jet to go from

Dunsfold as well to block our filming.

Yeah.

And you said to me, why don't you turn it

around and stay a couple more days?

And I said, no.

It's crazy.

Got to go sit on the beach.

The boys are not Top Gear Test Track.

And you're going to miss out on that.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Me and my holiday has been booked for like seven months.

I can't just pop up.

Well, we booked this last week.

By the way, perhaps we had a great time.

Perhaps we didn't

know.

Perhaps only one of us is here.

No.

It's all up in

the air.

The R6 currently got its inlet manifold off.

And

none of the injectors are currently plugged

in.

I'm going to say Ruin, because it's no reason

to rule, but

in a down town.

I've never had no reason to rule before.

Because nothing, everything has got,

not everything has

gone wrong.

A lot of annoying little things have gone

wrong, where, so I wanted to take the get the

wheels refurbished on the Tuscan,

but I was ill over the weekend,

so I didn't have a chance to do anything

yesterday, which means I had to take the

wheels off, leave the car on jack stands,

and take the wheels off manually.

I was supposed to usually just,

I just give it, you could just give it to

them, they'll do it there, I could have it back.

But in order to get it done in time,

because we have a friend's wedding this

weekend, I wanted to take that,

and I have to do an engine service,

and that's now stuck outside in the rain,

in a hail, for some reason.

I was supposed to do some of that today,

and then also when we

12:48 Range Rover Classic Inquiry and Sponsorship Ad

went over to Holland this last weekend to

pick up a car, I kept seeing Ranger ever

classics, I don't have one.

And it's annoying me, I'm still none.

Is there a couple of, there was one,

actually shout out to this week's sponsor car

vertical, as always we use car vertical,

there was one that came up sale that looks

kind of cool, actually Will,

I'll let you please read A, firstly,

this car didn't have much information on it,

it said, yeah, it's just like a Ranger of

classics, black, it's 3.9, it's pretty cool,

just mess with me if you want any info.

Around the plate, if you'd like to look at the mileage.

Okay, we've got 120, oh, 127,000 miles,

and then it just goes down, it goes up,

goes back down, so it's been clocked twice,

and then if you just scroll to the next

photo, if you could look at,

I think it's about in the middle of that MOT

fails, you should see one that I haven't seen

before, it was quite interesting.

Offside front integral body structure is

corroded, but structural rigidity is not

significantly reduced, both body mounts

inside the wheel arch, and then the next one,

it is, body's not connected to the chassis mate.

There's rear brake pads, imbalanced,

main beam telltale not working,

many, there are things.

There's quite a lot of wrong with that car,

so I didn't end up going any further with that car.

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So no Range Rover, just, it's just,

something's happened, yeah, but I'm still

very happy with the Tuscan.

I had new tires to put on it,

so I finished the last of the tires.

They looked interesting.

They finished.

They are finished.

It looked like a T-Rex took a bite out of one

of the treads.

Yeah, and where they went, I don't know,

I don't know where the tires went.

It's tough to say.

You have to ask the local farmers where the tires went.

You must have heard a very small rodent

nibbling away at your wheels,

isn't it?

No, it was that.

You transferred them from a solid to a sort

of like gas.

Yeah, it's their cloud matter now.

Yeah.

You did a marking, a street marking.

(laughing) (laughing)

Perpetary.

Perpetary.

So, not a significant ruin.

But just, so that's two rolled in a ruin.

Classic.

So to bring it down going.

Classic.

Oh well, you know, there's always gotta be one.

There always has to be one.

There's always one.

Let's start off Benjamin.

Here we go.

Beautiful.

In a wild taxi.

I'm going to fire over an image to you in our

cream podcast chat.

A remake.

And look at this taxi.

Crazy taxi.

I would get in this taxi.

Okay.

Is it in this country?

I saw this in the car park on Saturday.

Okay.

So this is a current UK taxi.

Can I understand what car park's just to get on?

This was in Cabot Circus car park.

Lovely.

Oh, that is a big multi-story car park in the

middle of--

I've seen this.

I've seen this.

What, sorry, is that an F-90M5 competition?

It is an F-90M5 competition to drive it

number plate as well.

Now, this is what I'm wondering because I

have seen this.

It was in a Jim's gig in Cliff,

I think.

I'm fairly sure that was.

Not a joke.

Well, hey.

Yeah, no, literally worse.

I haven't seen this.

I think, 'cause there was a story in a video

of a guy in Birmingham who had an RS3 saloon,

who would have guessed, but it was registered

as a learner's car.

Now, I'm wondering if registering the car as

a learner's car in your business allows them

to write the car off as a

16:27 M5 Taxi Incident Discussion

business expense, and B, show that they're

doing mileage in the car and driving around the van.

So, I'm wondering if that's what they've done.

They've registered it as a taxi,

God, I'm using it as a taxi,

and they're just driving this car around.

That's fine.

The only thing that they've had to do is add

a little taxi side to their number.

No, that's completely fine, but I will wave you down.

Yeah, no, if I see that coming towards me,

it's got a taxi plate, I'm waving you down,

you're taking right.

Okay, can you turn traction off?

Yeah, can we do a skip?

Yeah, sorry mate, it's actually just left up

here, if you could just sort of bang it in.

But it was a private bridge as well,

M5, private range.

And it's a, it's a later, that's a facelift

with the sort of later lights and lights.

Just sideways on the lock side.

Anybody who knows finance stuff and what such

and knows why you might do that.

Or is it just, 'cause it, it's not sensible at all.

Maybe like a, I could see like some of the

sort of chauffeur companies maybe having an

M5 'cause some of them have SVRs and whatever else.

Yeah, but none of them have taxi plates,

'cause they're private high vehicles.

Whereas this is taxi taxi.

Yeah, this is, this is.

Which in theory should mean he has to be able

to, or she is, has to be haleable.

Is that what, what a taxi means?

Now, if I, if I order an Uber and I still,

no, it says their name and then like,

like they're coming in a--

He's arriving in Prius.

Yeah, I see M5 com.

I'm like, yo, yo, no way.

It says five series or similar,

it's full of rides.

You go, that's a bloody M5.

Or is it, is it banged up?

Oh, no, surely not, can't be.

I had a little look, it looked legit to me.

Okay, also the photo you've sent is

fantastic, by the way.

Yeah, it'll be an overlay, I'm sure.

That's just glass.

I swear, for the window.

You've sent it through a glass window that

has some opaque drawings on it too,

so you can just barely make it.

You know what, for Will and I,

easy game.

Love that game.

I thought you were gonna talk about the car

on the distance, which I can also see is a one series.

I was busy, I had to buy shorts,

so I didn't have much to paint.

For your Barbados holiday, of course.

Yeah.

Which is when you get that taxi,

right?

I just took this, mad that I've just seen this taxi.

Here's a joke now, I'll take him one week off.

Crazy that I saw this taxi.

Yeah, one week off for the last two weeks.

You're taking two weeks off the week after.

On to our ML63 tow car.

Yeah.

Our ML63 tow car is certainly our tow car and

has been our tow car for a little while.

It's been used for lunch runs,

it's been used for parts runs,

it gets used.

And today we went into a lunch night.

Today, no, no, we didn't, we didn't do that

at all, no, we took a different car.

Because the wheel fell off our ML63 tow car.

It's really the other day.

Smooth, smooth off, not a single wheel bolt

holding it in.

And for many of you will be going up,

but it was the spacers.

It kind of was.

You're kind of correct.

So we have on basically all cars that we run

personally, I will only have used a spacer

which essentially goes in between the wheel,

in between the hub and the wheel.

You have the wheel hub, you have your studs

going out or your bolts going in,

you either get lengthened bolts going in or

you get extended studs going out.

where they have studs coming out can't be

extended too much, so they only have so much

space to give if that makes sense.

So you either have to whack those old studs

out and put longer ones in or you have to put

spaces in that essentially have bolts that

bolt them to the hub and then have new bolts

coming off the spacer that go onto the wheel

and then tighten into there.

That's what we had on the ML.

And I've never been a big fan of them,

I've never really trusted them,

but we were like, oh, it'd be fine.

It wasn't fine.

It wasn't fine.

We were driving to lunch for up as well.

And also the other guys next door or to Alex,

they were basically all out.

So we had no, there was no backup available anywhere.

We were driving along, I was driving and we

just heard this rotational noise.

And every now and then the ML makes a little

rotational noise.

And we were sort of trying to figure out what it was.

And I was like, I kept going away and coming back.

And then I started trying to load it up left

and right to see like, is it a bearing?

What side is it coming from?

Because I had the door open leading out

going, was this nice person on the other side

of the road?

Wasn't that happy?

No, not happy at all.

That I had my door open while driving.

And then I staring left and right a bit.

And I thought, you know, it seems to be on a

left hand turn a bit.

So I gave it a little bit of a left hand turn.

And then I just, we just heard,

I looked in my wing mirror and I just saw the

wheel sitting slightly out of the arch.

So I came to stop immediately.

And thankfully we were doing maybe 10,

15 miles an hour.

So it came to stop and yet the wheel had

completely fallen off.

And luckily, kind of luckily,

I guess, it hadn't fallen off and then just

gone down the road.

It was sitting on the brake disc,

which does mean the inside of the wheel is

completely mashed, although reusable,

it is fine.

But yeah, we had to get Josh,

some of the merch stuff here to run us down a

jack and the, what's it called,

impact gun.

So to remove to jack the car up,

I didn't have to remove the spacer from the wheel.

Luckily, the Mercedes bolts.

They were fine.

No, it's totally fine.

Wouldn't you believe it?

So we had to put two in.

Luckily, three had shared off in the hub were

not luckily, but luckily there were two left.

So we could bolt it to there,

but then we just traded it back afterwards.

Yeah.

And then Josh then gave me a lift back,

got the trailer, which luckily there was another trailer.

Otherwise we would have not been in a great

shape, got a car back here and then you on

Monday got mostly repaired.

So that's repaired.

Now the locking wheel nut is lost.

So I can't take the other spaces off the other wheels.

So the car's still kind of out of action.

So it's nice.

So, you know, ML doing great.

ML's getting, it likes to put,

it works and it has its little foibles with

electronic foibles every now and then.

But then just once every sort of 5,000 miles,

it goes, I think I'll explode.

I'll hit you with something big.

I think I'll smash the back window and I

think a wheel will fall off.

And it's never like that bad.

No.

Because I'm gonna inconvenience you on such a

grand level.

You want lunch?

Not today.

I don't think so.

I think the rear subframe will fall out actually today.

And I think actually the front glass will

smash for no reason.

But so yeah, we need to fix that.

But thankfully it didn't happen at high speed.

So no one hurt, no one hurt,

but we will be removing all of those spaces.

And if we do it, we'll do it properly and get

proper extended studs and then just do a proper space.

Or we will go to China and order some Chinese wheels.

That's what we're gonna do.

Chinese wheels for the ML.

Now 63, original creamer mentioned next up here.

Yes, where is he?

We want to know who it was because we were,

this is early days of cream,

at a railway station come

Airbnb in Bedford.

It was three different train tracks surrounding us.

We had to stop the podcast in between trains coming past.

But on that fateful day, Benjamin read out a

forum from a man who said, what?

Oh, man.

A person, a lady.

Shout out to the lady.

It's in there, if you look at that.

Oh, I was just saying, it's Natalie,

B942.

Now, this has come from Benjamin.

Yes.

I will say, Benjamin's done this research.

How accurate this is, I have no idea.

No, this is what I was going to say.

I can found it.

No, no, hold on, hold on, this is what I was

going to say.

So Natalie posed the question and she said,

do the creamers.

And that's when we said, yo,

no, we're not going to call ourselves that.

Was she the first recorded instance of Creamer?

This is what I want to find out.

That's how it's tracked.

But that's why I think we need a crowd-sourced project.

We need to know, who started Creaming?

Who started it?

24:13 Origin of the Term 'Creamer'

Tough one.

Who's the first use of the word "creamer" in

relation to us?

I guess you could, there are some other

versions of it where some people might have

been saying that they are "creaming" which is

unpleasant here.

Someone might have said that earlier than

saying "creamer" but I think would be quite

nice to know "creamer".

So that's what we need to know.

Are we giving Natalie her props?

Is she the origin of "creamer"?

But then you're just saying,

you're dangling the credit in front of her

and then you're just saying,

"I'm not quite giving you this."

No, no, we are giving her credit because she

is the one that popularized "creamer".

She is the one that brought it to the masses.

And for that reason, that's why I was the

main reason, is I want to crown her "creamer"

of the year.

I see.

History is written by the victors.

She's the dude who made McDonald's a

franchise, but she's not on the Donald's Brothers.

There it is, right?

She's on your musk.

She is an important piece of cream culture.

So, but if there is an earlier instance of

"creamer", I'd like it to be found.

So that podcast--

People can state their claim,

of course.

It's like kings, when there were kings many,

many moons ago.

And people would say, "Actually,

I don't know if this is true at all.

I'm just making up for movies."

So I might go, "Actually, I am the true heir

to the throne."

Okay, it'll be a pauper.

But what I want is the paintings on the cave walls.

That's what I need to see.

I need to see the OG.

So that podcast was "cream number 22".

So you need to go back from there.

If there is any, speak

anywhere of "creamer".

And it can't be, yeah, it can't be

"creaming", it can't be "creamer".

We are "creamers" to be the

beginning.

And I want that one of my DMs,

please.

Get out of my desk.

Get out of my desk by Monday.

Please, lovely.

I want to make sure that we track,

this is very important.

I want to track it down.

Natalie B.

942, you are "creamer" of the year,

you're one of the "creamers" of the year,

and shout out to you for starting it.

Fair play.

We weren't on board, but you couldn't,

you know what?

The kings could not overpower the masses.

It caught on, and it--

You have to give the people what they want.

I like it now, but for a while it was a tough one.

It was really rough.

'Cause then people would say it out of

context, like my family, my brother would say

it out of context, like my grandmother,

and I have to explain, and it never really

translates right.

And yeah, it became quite tough in some situations.

Yeah, also we must apologize for the rapture

going on outside, which I believe is hail.

I think Ben summoned this, this morning.

It's been a weird day for it though,

it's been sunny, but just--

Always good topic for a podcast,

the weather of the day.

It's been sunny, and then raining,

and then sunny.

Well, we've got the weather,

isn't it?

It hasn't been though.

Let's ask, I think we've been having speak

about this, that's not English at all.

Benjamin, you've put in here electric car

prices, unit chat, 'cause we talked about this.

Yeah, we did, we did have this.

Electric car prices, unit chat,

what that was, was we were discussing

casually in between takes.

Electric car prices.

In the unit?

In the unit.

In the unit.

And we were chatting.

No, basically, I think it's Will,

somebody said that they saw,

was it a Taycan or something for sale for

like nine pounds 80?

I think I said, I looked at purely out of

intrigue, what like a sort of fancier

electric car is up for sale for,

'cause some electric cars, and they're old,

but like they're getting on a bit now,

like you can get that's in my head,

an electric car is three years old maximum.

They're like coming up on 10 years,

basically.

I saw, it was some Audi Q something,

but it was like six years old,

and it was 11 grand.

If I look for the cheapest Jaguar I-Pace on auto trader.

I pace, was it?

The cheapest Jaguar I-Pace on auto trader is

9,900 pounds.

Nine grand.

Now, I'm not saying they're cool,

I don't like them at all, I don't think they

look nice, they do look like you have some

air of money.

I think to a normal person, they'd go some

lovely new car.

They were like a 60, 70 grand car.

What year is that?

That is a 2020.

2020?

So that's a six year old car.

That is a 2020 car with two years Jaguar

warranty, 400, it's a 400 with a 90 kilowatt

battery, that is 9,900 pounds.

How many millages does that?

That has 76,000 miles.

So it's not even, but moon miles.

If that one goes, another one for nine grand

and another one.

And another one miles.

103K, 55K and 105K.

55,000.

Again, I don't know, maybe electric cars are

also worse at that mileage.

The 55K one is 'cause it's a private seller.

That's really one.

None of them are cat or anything like that.

No, none at all.

So the one, there is one that is,

one of them that is 9,000 pounds,

that was listed in March.

Wow, it's not selling a couple of months.

So that has been for sale for months and just

not selling.

10 grand.

Yeah.

If we look at,

I know like, again, I don't know the ins and

outs, maybe they have major issues.

That's normally why things like that come

down quite cheap.

But it still feels like a quite a premium car

for not a lot of money.

How would go wrong?

I don't know, it's motors, maybe it's

electronic, I don't know.

But the theory, it's like--

As I've said, a warranty.

It's as batteries go at like 100K or start to

get worse, but even from what I've seen,

it's not that bad.

2021 Audi E-Tron, that is the Q3 or 4.

or whatever it's supposed to be,

shaped thing.

That, if I see you pull up in that,

I'm thinking you're doing, well,

yourself, 11 grand.

That's the one I was looking at.

It's the crossover SUV type thing.

Yeah, 11 and a half grand.

Now it's got 90,000 miles on it,

so I'm sure because of mileage,

it degrades the battery or whatever,

but that isn't pressed.

There is going to be a C of these cars that

no one will want.

And they're relatively premium as well.

They're not talking about the cheapest of the

cheap electric car.

30:00 Electric Car Depreciation Discussion

We're talking about Audi's, the Taycans are

obviously more expensive, but still the

depreciation of that must be insane.

Hey, the cheapest e-tron GT,

26,000 pounds.

Are they just being fired out at the end of

warranties or something?

It must be.

Five or six years old, there's no more proper

real warranties for them anymore.

I have a theory.

At the end of lease deals, that kind of thing.

Please Ben.

My theory is that, remember in about sort of

early COVID times, like early 2020,

everyone started electric cars?

And I think a lot of it was because I think I

can't do the exact law or whatever it was,

but there was no company car tax on them.

That was one of the incentives.

So a lot of people were basically leasing

them for three years because they got

effectively a free car.

They didn't have to have any of the other

payments that you typically get mugged off on

if you have a company car.

But then everyone did that the same time in 2020.

Three years later, there's hundreds of

thousands of cars that now people aren't

going to just pay the balloons on.

with them.

Tesla Model 3 is for the classic.

If you look at like early 2021,

just ever I went, I saw Tesla Model 3's.

That like facelift one, I saw everywhere.

But in my head, surely, Tesla Model 3's,

they can't be at that price.

Yeah, they are.

I just looked now.

They're 10 grand, you

can get one for it now.

Eight grand for a Model 3.

What's going on?

Model 3 being the small one.

The like three series size.

Yeah, the one you see everywhere.

Yeah.

I'm looking at other just random Model 3's.

Now, it doesn't interest me.

It's to buy, but it does interest me to see

if this makes sense.

Yeah.

It's an odd thing.

I wonder if this is what America in the 70s,

80s, when all the Japanese cars start to come

in and just take over the market.

Yeah.

And everyone went, oh, I'll get rid of these

horrible old things.

Yeah.

And all of those old American land barges

that people know, they're just was no need for them.

They just went and sat and died and got sold

a couple hundred quid.

But is there going to be, is there going to

be a meta on YouTube in five years time?

Where it's us buying Porsche TACAMs for 500

quid and crashing them into each other.

Trying to get them started.

Yeah.

Bomb find, Audi Q3 e-trons, sponsored by NOCO batteries.

Can we turn it on?

First power up.

I just

look, sorry, TACAMs, you can give under 30 grand now.

Yeah.

There's, there's, Paul Star twos,

relatively premium looking car,

I think they're about 40 something grand,

17 grand for one here, that has 60,000 miles

on it, loads of, WID3s, one here with 40,000

miles on it for 13 grand, loads and loads and

loads of different electric cars that were.

So surely if you're a dealer or a trader or

whatever, and someone comes in with part X,

'cause they just wanna get rid of their

electric car, or maybe they're buying another

electric car, whatever it is,

surely they must be looking at those cars,

I really don't wanna buy that.

Yeah.

I really, really don't wanna buy that,

'cause it's just gonna sit on the forecourt,

which one knows how long.

Which probably means they're offering half of

what that's worth.

Yeah.

Someone's coming in with like a,

an Easter on Q3 thing and going,

I'll give you a five for it.

Yeah.

I don't want this.

Please just take it away.

A 2022 Mercedes EQC, I'll show this.

That is the, yeah.

That's a car that you think you're making

money with, right?

That's a car that if you own,

you're making money, right?

Yeah.

You're a bread man.

That's 16,000 pounds.

That car has, just for context.

And what year is that?

'Cause it's 2022 and it has 60,000 miles on it.

Now, right, it's got a lot of miles for like,

not very much time, I guess,

but,

But if it's roughly, what's that,

four years, 63, it's not that high.

Yeah, that's, also, balling on a budget is no

longer going and buying a Bentley.

It's going and buying a three-year-old Audi

electric car and go, "Brian,

you make flex culture, "bout to go crazy with that."

Per private regs on that, people have no idea

that's not brand new.

What I'd like to know, maybe I might have a

look at that.

Might have a look at that this evening,

is what a warranty is like.

Yeah.

Well, obviously they will be able to market

warranties, but I don't know how good they

are for electric cars.

They're not very good for petrol cars or

diesel cars, but what is a, four-year-old

car, how bad is it to go to Audi or to Jaguar

or wherever and say, "I want that warranty

for another three or four years."

'Cause if you can still get that for a

reasonable price, it feels like,

I don't want an electric car,

but it feels like a relatively okay

proposition or something you might just use

to get to work in or whatever.

I will tell a personal story.

Okay.

My dad actually bought a Model 3,

it has a Model 3, 'cause he just,

you know, he just was going up on that way

for working stuff.

I bought one in that early time when everyone

was getting them.

And I think in the three and a half years he

had it, he did like 55,000 miles and it was something.

One set of brake pads, I think one set of tires.

Charging for that.

And I think one bit of warranty,

work on suspension art and that's it.

That's the only maintenance cost that a car

had at all.

So I can understand why if you want it to be

cheap, I got it, that wasn't a cute one.

But the thing is, I wonder if,

'cause warranty companies must have to cover

their back in the same way they do with

people, because you can't, on a petrol car,

a petrol car is basically fine.

up until it's not.

You can't foresee issues coming.

Whereas with an electric car,

you know that battery pack's gonna fail at some point.

It's like selling health insurance to a young

person versus an old person.

You know something might go wrong with the young person.

The old person is, we're gonna be paying out on this.

So let's raise the price on it.

Do the battery packs actually go wrong?

'Cause I've never heard of anyone having them.

They'd replace one.

But they decrease, they die.

But I would love to know what the actual,

in the real world, when that happens.

There's gonna be always me someone going

22,000 miles off that battery's dead.

Do they decrease, do they decrease more or

less than an engine?

'Cause obviously an engine loses some.

Not a huge amount, you see cars that are 20,

30 years old and they run roughly the same

power as they did new.

But a lot of old, like higher mile engines

tend to lose a little bit of either economy

or whatever, even our lupo like that.

If that was a brand new car,

it would probably do almost the figures it should do.

But 300,000 miles later, it has degraded.

But I would imagine an electric car,

the percentage is higher.

That was, they were supposed to be 100 miles,

I didn't even do 50.

And that's half the amount of range,

and that was in 10 years.

That's rough.

Then the Tesla Model S, the Alex Nachtlot

bought, that was almost half a million miles nearly.

Yeah.

And that seems, I mean, granted,

it wasn't doing 400 miles on range,

but it was still doing probably 60% of what

it was from you.

Didn't that car have some sort of battery work?

I think it had a warranty.

I thought it was just that it was that was legit mileage.

Oh, maybe.

I don't know.

But yeah, I feel I would love to know what

the actual real world thing is,

if it is, and then if it gets to 150,000

miles and you have 80% capacity,

is it actually that bad?

No, especially.

Especially if there's no maintenance to it,

no oil changes, none of the money.

And if you paid eight grand for a

three-year-old car, hey, man,

why not?

Crazy.

The thing that would scare me is the fact

that it's got all of the modern electrics in the car.

Stuff like there's no, I can't,

if the electrics in the car die on a Tesla,

how do I turn the car on?

I can't do that.

But most of them have a 12-volt battery as

well to power the inside.

Yeah, but what I mean is that like,

in this RS6, right, I don't know a good

example, but in most petrol cars,

you can still start the car and just,

even with lights on a dash, whereas electric

car, if something goes wrong in the main

screen computer, you're done for it,

you can't turn it on, you can't go anywhere.

You know, something we may find out,

pro tip, we probably won't.

We weren't less than four pound eight here

then, maybe we will.

There was still a demolition derby.

Moving on to something completely different.

I've got a game from you, Edwin,

to rank the big six Ferraris.

We did it with the Lamborghinis last week,

Benjamin.

I'd like to start.

So I don't know Ferraris.

Do you know what the big six are?

La Ferrari.

Yep.

F-80.

Yep, 80.

The Welsh, the Welsh one.

An Enzo.

Correct.

An F-50.

Correct.

That's four.

Yeah.

Good numbers.

No, keep going on that number.

Oh, F-40, of course you do.

There you go.

That was the last one.

288 GTO.

We've never got that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Gonna upset some folk kicks,

I don't know any of them.

Well, there you go.

I'm gonna go.

What's last?

Let's start last.

288 GTO, no idea what that is.

I'm setting to hear that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't care as well.

There'll be comments being like,

he doesn't know.

Next one, number five.

Yes.

I'm going to go with an F-50.

Whoa.

Because I don't

care for it.

It's an interest.

Comparatively to the

other.

Oh, no, I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing that at all.

No, I'm not doing any of that.

I'm starting again for this dress.

What do you know about the F-50?

Stop.

Can you just summarise in the F-50 what you know?

I'm not, this is teasing, I just want to know

what you know.

Is a more modern version of an F-40.

Okay.

And I think they look worse.

What engine is it a lot?

It's a V12.

It's a good stock.

No turbos or turbos.

No turbos.

Okay, good.

Manual or automatic?

They're only manual.

Okay.

Are they?

Oh yeah, they're on a 50.

I used to say it is only a manual.

I think.

What I'm going to do is I'm going to start again.

Because I had a thought.

There's one of them in there that will be

going last for me.

Okay.

That's F-80.

All right, okay, so then you guys,

I'd even over a 2.8 that you have no idea about.

But genuinely, as a personal thing,

surely you prefer, because you like modern cars.

I guess by default, I'd have to,

but I don't feel anything to it.

But surely you feel more to it than a 2.8.

If you saw an F-80, you'd go,

"Oh, an F-80."

Whereas if you saw a 2.8, you'd just be like,

"That's an old Ferrari."

Let me have a look at this thing.

Oh, that's quite cool, actually.

2.8's very cool to look at.

Yeah, no, you know what, now I've seen it,

I actually do know that car.

Okay, so you're resetting.

Hey Ben, what would I like to rank your top

six Ferrari big ones?

Hey guys, a great question, I know all of them.

Straight off the top.

Number six is gonna be an F-80.

Okay.

Number five is gonna be a 2.8 GTO,

which I know a lot about, but you know,

for me it's just, it's down the list.

Yeah.

Number four is, for me, it's gonna be an

F-50, 'cause I just don't love how it looks.

Sure.

I know people can go get upset about that.

I wish I get, but I don't.

(laughs) Three, for me,

He's going to be--

Impossible.

He's going to be what's left?

That's completely--

An Enzo--

You haven't done an F-40--

I don't know.

F-40, a la Ferrari.

Okay, I'm going to go for a,

Enzo la Ferrari--

F-40.

F-40.

I'm going to--

Supersemble.

Just three.

I'm going to go for the--

Is your favorite ones as well?

For me, Enzo.

Also, I could have done Ben's forum.

I knew this was coming.

Then it's gonna be in number two.

Yeah.

What's it gonna be?

The F-40, F-40.

And the one's la Ferrari, because--

Yes.

Now, you may be sad by this,

people listening, but for me,

la Ferrari, remember, when that thing came

out, I would have been--

24.

Then what year, 2012?

It's like two.

That wasn't what I was born.

I would have been pretty 10.

Yeah.

So, when I was getting into cars and seeing--

What do you mean, probably?

You know the year you were born.

What year were you born?

I don't know if la Ferrari came out.

2013?

You were born in 2013?

No.

(laughs)

Blimey.

You're looking mature.

(laughs)

So roughly a circle.

2003, your birth year.

No, 2002 I was born.

Oh, right.

Perhaps to Enzo, that's actually quite sad.

Enzo would have been grand spankers.

Yeah.

You wouldn't have no, you would just go,

"Where?"

Well, Enzo's getting around.

Oh, you're still with me 10 years later.

20 years later.

Yeah, I don't know.

I like them, but for me, la Ferrari is number

one, is when I was a butter boy and I was

looking at cars and going, "What the hell is that?"

That came out.

And I'm thinking, "For me, holy trinity."

That's a big thing for me, because I don't

know what it's equivalent for you guys.

Something.

That had a trinity.

It was probably CGT, Enzo and Zonda.

Yeah, that's fair.

So for you, when you were a kid,

you were like, "What are these mystical machines?"

For me, it would be holy trinity.

I think we were lucky we had a more than a trinity.

Yeah, we had--

We had SLR planning a job here.

SLR planning a job here in the six,

fouries in there.

You've got--

I believe--

A plethora.

I believe the early 2000s was the golden age

of supercars.

Fair.

I believe it for a fact.

You know that people will go,

know the 80s and the 90s because we had,

you know, Countaches and diabolos,

but you didn't have this concentration of

just three or four years where everyone went mental.

Let's make the most mental stuff.

We probably don't have a long left.

Put all the cool stuff out, bring the whole ocean out.

And just arrange as well, like,

the muck making stuff and then Lamborghini

coming out on mad stuff and then Pagani

coming up and going, "You know what,

we're pretty big in the game."

Kurnig said coming out was stuff.

Veyron coming out basically.

Only 2000s, that is, that is,

2000 to 2010s probably.

Oh for it.

Probably 2000s are like the early 2010s

'cause when you're thinking of La Ferrari and stuff.

Yeah.

But when the hybrid stuff came in,

that felt like a--

That was the end.

That hybrid Trinity felt like the--

Looking at the end.

It was a peak in terms of performance and

technology, but it felt like that's the last

you're gonna see of that.

Yeah.

'Cause every engine after this is gonna get

smaller because of those hybrid bits.

Last time I felt something.

Fair.

What, 2010?

Yeah, just generally.

But why can I ask?

Why--

No, good.

Well, you can't end up.

Well, I am asking.

Okay.

F40 above end zone is what you put.

Yes, for me.

Because if I'm being honest with you,

and I'll be honest with you right now--

Okay, just be honest with us though,

yeah.

Okay, so honestly speaking--

I'm honest with you.

Truthful.

In a totally candid way, I basically am a

child of social media.

I grew up with social media,

not to the degree that children now are now.

I didn't have real as well as a child,

that sort of thing, but I've grown up--

So that's such a--

Such a gen Z thing.

No, I didn't have like reels.

On God on God, bro, I didn't have reels.

No, I had like social media around,

and as I've become an adult--

I had like vine, I don't know if you guys

heard of it.

No, mine was pretty sick.

Lack of car content on it though,

to be fair.

Yeah, Vimeo is the one.

As I've grown up, I've had social media like

most of my life, and as going into adulthood,

I've seen a lot of the cars that were cool

back then that really come back around and

become really cool now, your GT3.

F40 is one of the--

F40's classic.

But it's Instagram cars.

So for me, the reason I like an F40,

and I'll be honest with you,

I don't know a lot about them.

I've seen a few in person, luckily.

What

can you tell me about Ferrari F40?

It looks like it's sad,

but in a sort of aggressive manner.

Okay, I meant more

like, you know, facts about it.

(laughing)

I don't really see the sadness on his face.

And until the pop-ups come up,

I think you can really think of the giant eyes.

It's a V8, it's twin turbo, it'll wanna kill you.

It's pretty manual, as in like--

Yeah, not Spanish.

Not Spanish, not Spanish, fella.

It is manual, but as in like,

it's a pretty Aurora experience.

But it's a car that I've seen on social media

stuff, so it's more of a far as I know about more.

Would you like to know a fact that maybe you

didn't know that the two eight eight GTO is

essentially the F40.

So the two eight eight was developed as a V8

twin turbo manual, and they just essentially

evolved it to the F40.

They didn't, they weren't that much different.

So why is your my list?

No, because that's where the beginning was.

Okay.

The F40 is not like a ground up with,

we're creating this thing, man.

They just basically took the two eight eight,

read it, read it, read it the body and load

of other bits and bogs.

It's not identical in any way,

but, I think is because it's trendy.

Yeah, I'll admit that.

F40 is a, it's the Instagram retro supercar.

Yeah, it is.

And for good reason as well,

it's not 'cause it's a bad car or anything.

Not it stands up today, but there's lots of

old cars you see 'em and they,

you'd be disappointed by it,

but I don't think anyone would be

disappointed at driving or even being a

passenger in an F40.

Or just seeing an F40 special.

To me, it's just something I've seen a lot.

So I just, that's probably why I put it above an end.

I like an answer.

In my head, I was trying to toss up between those two.

Okay.

And it's funny because also F40 is by far the

most made of all of them.

Yeah.

So I just love it a hundred or something.

So two eighth eights, how

46:14 Ranking Ferrari Models Debate

many, two eighth eights?

Nine.

No, I found.

Will, I'd

say 287, 272, some people sometimes say 270,

you know, F40,

Ben.

272, 750.

I think it's 1100 or something.

1300 under level.

F50s, Ben.

600.

Well, 400.

349.

Enzo.

Enzo's gonna be, I think there's more of Enzo.

I

think there's 750 Enzo's.

Enzo was a weird one, wasn't it?

Where there was a number announced and they

didn't, they went over that.

Yes.

Was it like 699?

They said 399 and then they gave a last one

to the Vatican.

Yeah.

But there are more.

The Vatican.

Yeah, the last one was given to the Vatican,

which they raffled off charity.

Oh, I think we're at the Pope.

I think we're at

the Pope's end room.

And then LaFerrari then.

LaFerrari,

I think I know this.

I don't.

I'm also 500.

I think

it's, I'm, no, I know what it is.

Here we go.

It's 899.

No, that's no, that's 19.

Missed me on supermarket sweet.

No, it's 700.

And there's a purter as well,

so.

Ben, give me a number, stop shouting all of

the difference.

Sorry, sorry, it's 700.

700.

700 and 100 purters.

You, you, there were, it came around a few

times, $4.99 in coupe, 210 purters for a

total of 709.

Okay, I didn't know.

No, but you hit 700, you're like 700.

700, somewhere.

And then I don't, F80, we're still yet to see.

And Ferrari are pretty vague with numbers and

stuff, so they just go, they were gonna make

$499 in these.

Oh, you made four of these.

And then the end, so it was like people went,

we have found more bins than that.

And there's more and more.

There's more and more, they just went,

oh, it's kind of really well,

this ends up.

Will, whilst you're ranking,

my five would be F80s at the bottom by some

way at the moment.

The recent Mustache delete one,

the one that said a little shave,

still doesn't make it go up anymore,

and also on the chart doesn't move it either.

Then I would probably put a two A8,

four fifth,

sorry.

I like the two A8, and I think it's amazing,

I think it's incredible to look at,

it looks good, obviously it's sort of three

O8, three to eight, and then wider,

see the gearbox hanging out the back,

it's very impressive car, but when I see one,

I don't feel the fizz that I would feel with

the others that are coming.

Then I would probably go La Ferrari,

which is, again--

God, I just hate you.

I know, and I love a La Ferrari,

I think La Ferrari is really cool,

but again, it's incredibly special.

I always think of like, how would I feel if I

just saw one randomly on the street?

And there is one, I can't get to it,

but when I saw it, actually,

on my way to DK, I saw a La Ferrari on the street.

And I was like, oh God, wow,

I was in La Ferrari.

But then it was like, okay, that was La Ferrari.

And then it was like, okay, I don't feel that

much towards it.

And then--

Where am I?

Did we tell you, boy, that when we were all

the way back from DK, we saw the La Ferrari

prototype, just driving all the road?

Yeah.

Did you?

Just driving through a little village?

Yeah, just--

Well, a 4/8 thing.

No, not that it was a different prototype.

It's all camoed one.

Wow.

Quite a matte black type thing.

You were like, guys, no, you're demo testing.

Yeah.

It's been a while.

It's been a while.

A left or a right.

I'm going to get back to Maranello.

True, mate, I've done F-80, 2/8,

La Ferrari.

I've got three remaining.

I'm traveling into my numbers.

I would probably go F-40, third.

Wow.

It's a tough toss-up, but in recent years,

I've gone, I would go F-40, then F-50.

F-15 recent years, I've just been,

'cause it was like for a long time.

I liked it, obviously.

It was a popular car, and they've always been expensive.

But it was the car that followed up the F-40.

The F-40 was the final car that Enzo signed off.

It was the Ferrari.

And even F-40s went through a phase where no

one really wanted one.

But still, it was a tough act to follow,

and the F-50 was like, oh, it looks odd.

It had the 360 looks and whatever else.

But when you look at it now,

it's amazing.

The engine is part of the chassis.

It's actually bolted to the bulkhead,

basically, behind you.

You have an LED dash, level steering wheel.

The interior is just really,

really simple and cool.

If you haven't looked at the dash on a F-50,

have a look, it's one of the coolest

speediters on any car.

Yeah.

And the engine is, it's one of those engines

where it's like, it's based on an F1 V12,

but it is not, I'm not going to say loosely.

I think the block is there, but obviously

they had to make it road worthy.

But a V12 manual throw that looks like that

with the wing integrated, and also has the

mesh at the back where you can just see the

exhaust and that through it.

And then, I just think that's so cool.

Number one is Enzo.

F-43rd, F-52nd, first is Enzo for me.

Enzo just seeing one, one of the most special

things ever.

Like you said with the La Ferrari being that

car you saw when you were growing up,

the Enzo was that car.

Yeah.

Maybe it's the Ferrari we grew up with.

Interesting.

It is.

Now, I'm the, I'm identical to Will.

You actually look sort of, when you look

similar by the time.

The, my list is the same as Will.

But the La Ferrari is fourth and the 288 is third.

Okay.

I've, I've demoted the- Right,

we throw it from bottom to top.

Bottom, F80.

Yeah.

Then comes the La Ferrari.

So you've gone- I found one.

I feel nothing towards La Ferraris.

I don't like how they look.

Really?

I don't like, I don't, I don't,

I don't like them.

Which of you list?

I don't like you.

Out of the six, 'cause I think the,

I think this is slightly different to how

you'd rank them, I think.

Which one, if someone said you can take one

for a drive?

Enzo.

We'd still be Enzo.

Because, simply because, and now,

and I, you know what, I think I'd learn to regret that.

But it isn't in that I was 19 or 20.

I was in my golf coming back from Brooklyn's,

I've talked about the podcast before,

Brooklyn's show.

And there was an, and it's just an Enzo that

just crested a hill as I was coming towards this hill.

So it was 20, 30 minutes away from me.

And I, I felt a like a child and I felt emotional.

Like I was genuinely, it was the first time

I'd ever seen one driving.

All I saw was every top gear episode,

I watched every book my dad bought me

everything that Enzo on the cover.

And I was like, it's the best car in the world.

Literally the best car in the world driving opposite me.

So I'd have to, because if I,

I think I'd have way more fun in an F40 or a

50, but I'd always be like, I never got to

drive the Enzo.

Even though F40 was third, it would be a

tough, like toss up between,

because just saying like you've driven an F40.

Yeah.

The car that everyone says is,

is one of the best driving cars,

the last car Enzo signed off and like,

just have a go in it.

'Cause Enzo's, I'm almost happy just to see it.

Yeah, it's true.

Just to see it and just to hear someone else drive it.

I'm like, that's pretty cool.

But in F40, I'm like, when I see videos of

people driving it, I'm like,

I want to have a go in that.

I really want to drive that.

So yeah, that would be tough.

Ben, laugh.

The question is, what car am I crashing?

You know, 'cause it's one of them.

The question is, what car is the Ferrari I'm driving?

You'd be very upset in an F40,

I think.

Yeah, I think that would be,

you know, there's a junction in Reading that

would hate to see me on F40.

(laughing)

I would say, you know what, to me it would be

a toss-up between an Enzo and a LaFroy.

Okay.

Probably a LaFroy just because if I told

young me about that.

You see.

(laughing)

Is that your rap name?

I said it, I knew that would be a joke.

(laughing) If I told myself as a child that I

got to try one of those, I'd be pretty gassed at it.

And I'd probably be like, it probably isn't

objectively as cool as the other ones,

but fine, whatever.

All right, nice.

Now next week we'll be raking off the

favorite sang-yongs.

Yeah, the best lupos available.

(laughing)

Not the ones ever sold, just the best ones available.

Yeah, I'll also drink.

(laughing)

Next up, on the right subject,

to be fair, we were talking about that the

you, the creamers, we, the creamers,

you, the creamers really spread the gospel.

Yes, shout out.

Out there in the world, doing creams work.

Lovely.

(laughing)

Out there in the comments section,

defending, just saying the names,

Attacking the words, attacking.

Doing all sorts of things in the comments.

And I saw it again, at DK.

(laughing)

I was a little bit like, what are they gonna

think of this?

Isn't it a bit strange?

DK Engineering posted about the glardo,

they basically said that they did a post

saying that the car was sold through them,

mild one, and the comments, just fantastic.

Also, one of the most liked posts they've had

recently, and they do quite well normally.

For the record as well, there was no mention,

there was a plate shown, there was no front

plate on it.

I did share it to be fair, so that was a bit

of a giveaway.

But it was, it literally said--

Go, my minion.

The post is of just Will's glardo,

no front plate, so it's not immediately

recognizable as his car, it just says

recently sold a rare right-hand drive from Neil Bowler.

At the top, Caris, we've got 6,600 likes,

we've got this is XTDC car, right?

Someone with 140 likes here,

just says, my name is William.

(laughing) 815 likes, the cream is no,

dot, dot, dot.

Good stuff.

So sad, we'll sold this, blah,

blah, blah.

And then just a load of other comments that

are just related TDC and whatever else,

some not related, but the most liked comment,

the two top liked comments basically are

crema related comments, so absolutely top work.

And no one being too intrusive.

No, that's it, that is the important fact,

this is, you know what, you get it right more

than I think I've ever seen any other

community get it, you're not overbearing,

you get the fine line, 'cause you don't wanna

go there and go, well, hey, creamers,

we, we don't have that one person who ruins

it for the rest of us.

No.

We keep each other in check and go,

hey, cut that out.

I do think that we have one of the best audiences.

And I'm not just saying that because it's our audience.

Genuinely, I've seen, there's a lot of

communities on YouTube and across the

internet who are, who despite the content

being good, the audience becomes quite and suffer.

Whereas our guys.

And girls.

I know, I know.

But the whole gang is just great across the board.

So keep doing your thing.

Lovely.

Also, I've been surprised the range of

creamers in terms of what you do as a job,

what you have as cars, what you're doing.

We've been approached, been approached.

We've been approached by people with a range

of different cars.

I've really been surprised because we have

people who've just got their first car doing

their first mods.

And then I'm now in a Merci Lago WhatsApp

group, which feels totally out of place.

Crazy.

I've said one thing and then not said anything else.

You too is YouTube.

I'm sorry, I got Merci Lago owner and then

Barbados over on my right, yeah?

Yeah, yeah, that sounds good.

You're going the whole day too.

But I entered, I was entered into this group

and then I posted a picture of the car and

said, can't wait to get the car,

you know, eventually in some weeks time.

And then just a couple of people were like,

yeah, no, good luck mate, yeah,

say hello to Edwin for me.

I was like, I thought I'd go into this

57:17 Creamer Community Appreciation and Events Update

chat and everyone go, who the bloody hell is this dude?

And you said, well, where have you been then?

I was driving these cars forever.

But yeah, I just thought it was mad,

there's people with the vendors doors and

Merci Lago's that know about the podcast and

know about the channel.

The cream spreads far and wide.

It does cream in the crop, all of you guys.

If anyone with events don't want to kind of

shelllessly wash and drop the hill,

well, let me know.

We'll just come to Dunsfold because we'll be there.

Yeah, we're going to be there.

They're better not.

We're going to be there.

No, no, you'll be there.

So it'd be fine.

Then we are.

We're trying our best to get one there for you.

I know you are.

Yeah.

Because you can edit that one as well.

Yeah,

lovely.

Oh, I imagine that one.

Oh, that'll be really nice.

You in a dark room with a tear off.

Edwin, I'll show you a bit more Lamborghini

related to J.P.R.E.

and that I saw recently, there is a glaude

manual coming up for sale.

I think by the time this podcast is out,

it may have been, because I think it to us,

it's in a couple of weeks, but it's an

original press car manual, Gallardo.

So the same shape as mine, same color,

I think as well, basically the same interior,

but left on drive, ex-lamborghini press car,

one that Clarkson drove.

And I think it baffled me somewhat,

is that it said in there that Clarkson gave

it a glowing review.

Yeah.

And the photo it's on there that says

Clarkson said this is amazing.

It blows the 360 and the 911 out of the water.

It's amazing.

The handling is incredible.

Now, maybe, I don't know, maybe that's from

Ritten, like it's a Ritten thing when the

Gallardo came out.

But if you watch the review on Top Gear of

the Gallardo, he just says it's bad.

He says the car is very, very good,

but it's not very Lamborghini,

it's a bit boring.

So I don't know, maybe they've just taken the

best bits of it for the auction.

But I thought it was quite cool.

40,000 kilometer car, I think,

and it says the estimate is 170 to 220,000 euros.

But I don't know if they just--

I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say.

Don't say it, obviously, I think,

but you know, you got off a nice money for

your car, but it wasn't 200 grand.

It wasn't that much.

Yeah, that's fine.

Well, no, I was gonna say at the lower end,

it might be closer to, but at the higher end,

and that car's got three times the miles mine has.

Now, here's a question, in the long run,

everyone jumps on the Glado over the Mercilago.

Hey, it's fine, I'll totally call that.

Unless Mercilago prices go down.

No, no, you'll kind of stay,

but Glado prices go mental.

Look, it would be annoying to see,

but I would always know that if I didn't do

it, I wouldn't have that

car.

At the same time, if Mercilago's prices

stayed the same, I could sell my Glado for

more than it would make it possibly easier,

but also they don't come up very often.

Yeah, but you'd still have your car.

That's how you know.

That's how you know that buying the Mercilago

was the right, but if I start seeing them

going for like quarter million pounds,

it's gonna feel like that car that's,

'cause at the moment, I'm like,

I got, that was a great one.

What a great move that was getting in at that

time, and the profit I sold it for,

and then they start seeing it go for ridiculous money.

But it's impossible to ever know that.

Exactly.

But it proves, again, your passion for it,

because I know obviously there is a realistic

financial side of it.

There is money to be made, and money to

potentially lose over it.

However, you're not doing it because of that,

right?

No.

I don't want to speak for you,

but surely your attitude to it is like,

if I make some money, great,

for you it's own the car, right?

If you're not a collector, he's putting it on.

The mercy on go, if I ever see it,

if it exists.

The guy's telling that, bought it as an

investment, which I find it's also,

that car's quite used.

That car was perfect for someone to get fixed

a couple of bits on, and just like pile miles

on, and actually use it.

So, previously Cat D, the body works a little

bit ratty, the history's not great,

but someone bought it five years ago,

stuck it away.

You never drove it, right?

It's done about 30 miles in that time.

That I can't get in my head.

Now, yes, he has made, he's made a good

amount of money on that car,

100%.

He's made a good amount of money,

but it's also cost some money as well.

And I just can't, and even when I was selling

the Glardo, so I had a couple of people that

wanted to buy the Glardo, and I had one guy

who was really, really interested,

and they were basically, a lot of it's via

middlemen when you're doing this kind of

stuff, but they were asking for the original

exhaust, like, is it gonna do that?

They basically, someone who just wanted to

put it away, and I didn't wanna sell it,

something like that, which is why,

when sort of DK said, it's gonna be,

obviously turned out to be JK,

but DK said, the person who wants to buy this

one really wants to use this car,

it is gonna be out and about,

it's gonna be lovely and enjoyed,

I thought, that is, I would hate to see that

car go away and sit in a collection somewhere.

Yeah, they might make a hundred grand on it

in a few years, but I wanna see that car out.

Yeah.

Well, when we do the podcast of JK,

you can ask them what--

Absolutely.

Absolutely, yeah, the invite is certainly open.

We are endeavoring, and we have,

Evan, news open for it.

We don't know how definite it is,

but we want to make it happen.

It would be good.

Creamers biggest challenge yet.

He will be--

Not fun at all.

Other than paying you, Ben.

Yeah, I mean, the lights are still on,

but they do flicker sometimes.

That makes sense.

Edwin, you've put in here, more services,

toilet-based JPRE.

Well, well, well, we're back.

We are so back.

There has been a saga every time I go into a

toilet at a service station,

I seem to encounter a funny story,

and yesterday was no different.

On the way back from MRC with this car,

I decided let me pop into the toilet,

quickly.

This is Oxford services, a classic,

known to many, but I just went to the fuel station part.

I'm into the toilet, you walk in through the

door, now, as you walk in, let's call North,

straight ahead of you, is you've got a--

12 o'clock.

12 o'clock, cubicles.

Okay.

Army instructors, knife the watermelon.

So, on the North wall, we have cubicles,

and to the left of the North wall,

still on the North wall, sorry,

the sink.

Yeah.

Right.

The East wall, nothing.

The West wall, we have the urinals,

and the South is just where you walk in,

it's fine.

We're catching on here.

Now, I've gone to the toilet,

the urinals are full, so I've used a cubicle.

I come out, and I'm using the sink.

I laugh at my hands up.

I wash my hands.

Ben, what's the next step of this story?

Dry those things off.

Gotta dry your hands.

Where's the dryer?

Where's the dryer gone?

I look to the East, there's no dryer there.

I look to the West, and what I see is this,

which is the hand dryer, mounted incredibly

close to the urinal.

Now, keep in mind, it was a full urinal.

There is a man who is perhaps even

overlapping into off the edge of the urinal.

So, for me to go and use these hand driers,

I'm

more than shoulder to shoulder with

this man.

The reflection is a man standing vaguely

towards him with dripping my hands laughing at him.

And to his credit, I didn't even get time to

say I'll just wait or anything.

He just went and just stared straight back at him.

So I just had to wait.

I had to wait for him to finish up.

I didn't just step alongside him.

And no, I thought I will start blowing his

purse across him.

The reason I started laughing is because

those are the sideways blowing jets,

which means if you're ripping a fat purse,

that thing is going everywhere.

That is sending it straight into the man who is left.

So you can just dry your hands at the same time.

Or just inch your trousers.

And that is why I started laughing.

The image immediately of a man being interrupted.

It's just it playing blown everywhere.

So I then again, what does I have to do?

I had to wait till everyone left so I could

walk back in and take this photo.

They actually created a piss in the wind simulator.

That's what I thought.

So M40 services, come on, man.

Fix it.

It kind of looks like it could have gone a

little bit more right as well.

That's a sink I'm assuming, Ben,

right?

You can see all the sink I'm writing.

But that it could have gone just a little bit more right.

The better surely because you then haven't

got a walk around dripping hands.

Yeah, no, that makes sense.

Yeah.

I want to know.

Are they doing it as a joke or are they doing it?

Surely it is like a hard one.

They're doing it as targets.

So, you know, shout out to the man who was

dressed hard to go about his business.

Sorry for laughing at you and standing vaguely close.

I'm throwing piss.

in your crowd.

And from that to some news, which by this

point won't be news, maybe people know about

this in more depth anyway.

Lotus put a post on Instagram saying there's

a little teaser, sort of a black thing that

would, there was a car in there.

The rear one, whatever else,

it was the rear of a car.

So, and the description said Lotus type 135.

And at first I was like, it's going to be electric.

And then I saw exhaust pipes.

Yes.

So, there are towel pipes there.

And then it says hybrid V8, V8,

Supercar.

So, all it said, very cool.

Type 135, hybrid V8, Supercar.

Now, Ben's looking puzzled at the screen,

because, and you're liking how it's looking.

I'm enjoying it.

I don't like the crushed carbon.

So, what we're looking at is,

it's

called the Type 135 is what they're calling it,

right?

Type 135, yeah.

So, you can look this up, this photo up

yourself, or it's on the screen,

it should be on the screen overlaid as well,

is, it looks very futuristic,

but Ben, I'm going to tell you the reason why

you like that, because those are a vented or towel pipes.

That's why you like that.

into the middle, almost it, it just looks,

it does look quite angry, I like that.

So, there is no front reveal,

this is an autocar rendering of it.

Is it, I think that's quite cool.

It is, there's still good comparisons to modern supercar.

I don't like that rear, that rear window.

Ignore all of that, this is all a render,

this is all made up, sort of lazy.

Well, let's focus back on the rear end of that then.

Okay, sure.

That's great.

Yeah, the forged carbon doesn't feel very low

to us to me.

If we could not, but hopefully that's an

option to not have that.

You can not have that.

Or you can not have it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's not the end of the world.

So what else we got, what's about,

what do we, are there any other details?

There was nothing about it, 'cause apparently

it sort of came out of nowhere.

Okay.

I was reading through the comments,

you know, there's people who normally know

things about stuff, like people and what such.

Yeah, yeah.

And they were like, what the bloody,

where has that come from?

Like there has been no rumor,

there has been no spy shot, they just,

loads of us went, oh yeah, I'm not just on a

Tuesday, I went, oh, we're making a supercar

by the way.

Oh, and I have a V8, 'cause as well.

Also, Lotus right now, I believe,

hemorrhaging money, because not doing well.

The Emira, Emira, Emira, Emira,

Emira.

'Cause that's kind of coming to an end,

I swear, we talked about that before.

The Avaya, where that, have we seen that?

Yeah, I feel like it's just kind of here.

That's an electric car, so

it just felt like Lotus are kind of neither

here nor there.

Of course they're owned by a big Chinese

company now, right?

Yeah.

So they're kind of not.

I would love to see them come out with

another, I know the, maybe the Amira was

meant to be that, but an, an Elise or an

Exige follow up where it's a bit more back to basics.

It's got a cool, rev-y engine in it.

It's lightweight, it's about handling.

So I've just, I've just gone on news for

Lotus and the most recent headline I can find

is Lotus offers Lifeline's Trouble UK Car Plant.

The move comes after a year after the Lotus

Reverse plans that it would have ended

manufacturing at Hethall.

So potentially they're doing okay if they're

trying to, if they're trying to bring it back.

I'm about it.

It's an interesting car.

It's not electric.

Yeah, it's hybrid.

I'm just a little bit annoying.

It feels anti- lotus to have a hybrid.

But the V8 thing interests me because there

was a rumor about them doing a V8 for the Amira.

There was a little rumor, I think it was a

year or two ago where they were thinking

about either making their own or finding a V8

that would go in the Amira, which I thought

would have been so cool.

Because wasn't it in that chassis?

Wasn't it rumored to be the Merck four liter?

Those are for some of them, don't they?

So this is in that same article.

The chief executive said that keeping the

plant would be the best option to produce the

Type 135, a V8 hybrid supercar,

due in 2028.

So it's British-made.

Hey, the final supply, the final decision

will depend on supply chain availability,

operational efficiency and cost discipline.

So that's whether they want to manufacture

them, I think, in China, with Geeley or in the UK.

So that would be sad to lose Hethal because

that is,

Yeah.

That's the basis of Lotus.

That is Lotus.

It cut 550 UK jobs last year,

which is 40% of the local workforce.

Tough.

Tough.

Interesting.

And then let's make a supercar,

guys.

If they can do it, there's, you're just

raising up your camera there.

No, I'm looking at it because of the battery.

Sorry, can you just cut the vendor raising up

his camera there?

It was actually wild.

I looked over and there was just...

I was reading what the camera said in there.

It feels like buying an English car

manufacturer is just deliberately playing the

game on hard.

Yeah.

It's everyone that's done it before goes,

there's no point in doing this.

Well, I've tried it.

I've put a load of money in it.

It just loses you money.

Experience company has done it as well.

And the next company goes in and goes,

"Hey, be fine.

I'll have a go."

Same thing happens.

It's not, it is.

It's the going to a cash machine or a ticket machine.

And someone times around and says,

"That's not working" and go,

"I'm gonna have a go."

I'm gonna check myself.

I don't trust you.

I think you're an idiot, if I'm honest.

I'm not.

I only try it and go, "You know,

once in a blue moon."

It works.

Yeah.

But for the most part, they were probably right.

Just have to let them die, unfortunately.

You know what though?

Fair play.

I like, I love that it's the thing,

even like Spiker, where they're just like,

"No, I'm bringing this back.

I don't care."

Yeah.

If Spiker, though, if you do it as an

electric car, and it's at the quail as well,

so we will be there.

Well, of course, we're gonna make it in.

We'll see how tickets, right?

Ben, you've sorted us tickets for that.

I applied and I never heard back.

I also applied.

Have you heard back?

I haven't heard back.

There you go.

Don't worry, I'll do that.

I'll fly tonight.

We'll get in.

Yeah.

It's like buying a British car brand.

You have to give it a go.

Keep going, someone's gonna get there.

Next up, Ben, this is Ben News.

Hi, Ben.

News from Ben and it says here,

this professionally titled piece of news says

ugly ass jag, nearly here.

Yeah.

What's that, Ben?

So the Jaguar concept thing.

Type 01.

Yep, it's now called Type 01.

Oh, sorry, was that the news?

That was the news.

I've ruined the news.

Yep, basically, I don't know what it was called before.

Jaguar.

It's now gonna be called the Type 01.

Would you like to know why it is called the Type 01?

No.

Okay, well, why'd you like to know why it's

called the Type 01?

Is it because they've reset the counter,

and this is the first Jaguar?

Oh.

Oh.

It means it's a zero emissions vehicle.

Got it, didn't it?

And one, it's the first one.

Do you know what it is?

From playing this game, of trying to work out

meaning, we always do far too well.

Think of what you think it could mean,

go, that's you giving them way too much credit.

That's so much more simple.

Children, maybe.

It's 'cause zero is how many emissions it is.

And because, cool.

It's first one.

First one of what?

First one of the new electric zero emissions cars.

So I was constantly there.

Now, what's the first engine one gonna be called?

The E1.

It's gonna be called the V1.

It's gonna be called the seven one for Euro

seven to comply.

The 71.

So you're just gonna go type 01,

then two, three.

I hate that, I really hate that.

It went, what number should we start with?

Let's start with one.

Also, I think I could accept it if it was

just type one.

Don't make me say type 01 now,

that makes it long till I'll say all of this.

I hate it when, like BMW, I like the fact

that it's like, the one series is a small

one, the two series is...

The small one.

The three series is a bit bigger,

and then the five series is a bit bigger

again, I like that goes up, but when you have

like, Polestar did it, they went,

this is the Polestar one, and this one is a

big sort of like, coupe.

Now the Polestar two is a smaller sort of

crossover, Polestar three big SUV,

Polestar four, bigger SUV, like sort of the