Fake Wheels, Francis Bourgeois Is About It and The New allroad - C.R.E.A.M. #88

0:00 Introduction and Rule or Ruin

I think you have a new car on the block.

Love the deep throat growl.

What make is it?

I'd like to turn this back around on you,

turn the gun back on your shore.

Sure.

And then can you pull the trigger if possible?

Yes.

Because you can't drive to watch a car,

but you can car to watch a drive.

That made a new car sense.

Hello and welcome back to the Cream podcast.

The Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast

with myself, Will, Edwin to my right and

Benjamin Rogers over there.

Hello at the beginning of every single one of

these podcasts.

We ask ourselves if cars have rewelled or

ruined our lives this week, Edwin.

It's ruin again.

What the?

Good

save, good save.

Yeah, there have been annoyances.

First, I

was very excited because I got the M3 back.

I was like,

this is great.

M3 is back from paint.

It's all good.

Color's

not right.

I think we talked about it a little bit in

the

last time.

The color's not right.

So it needs to go back off.

So we get back from the Nürburgring.

I have lots of things to do to that car

before we go away in two weeks.

The bonnet won't open now.

Yeah, no, that was interesting.

The bonnet won't open.

And funnily enough, the things I need to do

to it, they're inside of the bonnet.

That's in a car.

Lots of things are in the bonnet that you

need to get to.

So it won't open.

So that's unfortunate.

I thought I could use my E36 silver car.

I'll just quickly put an MOT on that.

And away we go.

No, that failed, nobody.

I just took that this afternoon and I now

have to do four brake pipes on it in before the morning.

So that's going to be, it's going to be a

nice evening for me.

I'm in ruin for this reason.

Benjamin.

I'll be in rule.

Oh, is that okay?

My car, my golf, you know what,

my golf is currently scaring me.

That's not how that kind of relates usually.

Usually it's, I'm in rule.

Here's a positive thing.

I know rule because I only have my golf net still.

That's wild to me that it's a rule because he

doesn't own an S2000 anymore.

I mean, it's crazy that currently only have

one car to sort out, but the engine of it is,

it's not making, not what making a noise.

That's how you know it's going.

It's a rattly noise.

Yeah, it is.

No, it's something I've got,

I

think next Friday, it will be fixed,

but it's something to

do with the Orcs Belt system.

There's like tensioners, I

think, go.

Yeah.

And then, oh yeah, fingers crossed.

That's your problem, mate.

You got no Orcs Belt.

And the, what's that thing called?

It's not a turbo, but- Engine.

Evan Jokes is a turbo, what's it called?

Ultinator.

Ultinator.

That's it, Ultinator.

That's a tough one.

That's tough.

Have you said that, you know,

out loud?

No, because I was trying to think of what it was called.

Ultinator has like a pulley on it,

which has a bearing or something on it.

Yes.

And on that car they go.

So it's just the bearing, it's just the

pulley and the bearing, not the Ultinator.

That's what you're saying.

Yeah, it's a new pulley you can put on the Ultinator.

So having that done, tensioner done,

and that's, I think for the actual Orcs Belt

system on that, there's no other idlers as

far as I'm aware.

So then it should hopefully be stop rattling.

And if not, I'll be quite sad.

I'm scared of, it's one of those noises

where, I know it's fine, touch wood,

but it feels, it's a noise I don't like,

so it feels like it could just go,

cheers, off I go.

It's not actually a necessary issue,

I hope, but it just, it's one of those things

I keep getting out of it, I keep getting out

of the car, and then just hearing it.

I reckon it's one of those things that only

you as the owner.

Yeah, it's only here.

It's probably just fine.

I get out of the car when it's running,

really, is when I, in the morning when I get

here, and if I have to open the gate,

obviously I pull up to the gate,

you open it, as I'm the gate here,

and then, then I obviously walk around the

car past it, I can hear, and once I,

once I did it with a belt start,

it sounds a bit rattly.

Anyway, it's probably, yeah.

I'm terrible for that.

I constantly believe there is a new noise

every time I drive my car.

I drive it and I go, that wasn't there,

that wasn't there before, and then I go drive it again.

I'm like, that's the same size as normal,

but hold on, there's a new noise.

Because this one, it sounds like,

it sounds like a more rattly diesel,

but then also you can, if you,

if you listen to the nuances of it,

you can hear, it almost sounds like

something's like, like an extra little,

like, it will rattle constantly at a concert,

and then you'll hear like a little (mumbles)

Oh, and that's from the car,

not you.

Yeah, I was perry at the car,

a cat.

Well, all your other worries to them,

are you worried it might be something bigger,

like a flywheel or something?

It's not a flywheel 'cause it's on the wrong

side of the engine for that.

Okay.

All right, now I'm worried it would be like,

'cause it's obviously a vibrating sort of

like clacking noise, you know,

engine's making noise.

Yeah.

So.

Now, do you wanna tell the gang about your

potential new wheels?

Yes, I have new wheels for my Golf

4:43 Ben's Potential New Wheels for His Golf GTD

GTD.

Not yet, we haven't.

Maybe.

Yeah, we missed the career price.

Well, I asked your price, and then you told

me, what did you tell me?

We said make you an Afana.

Exactly.

I think an Afana.

Okay, go ahead and get a share right now.

Okay, so for the audience, they are off,

this Golf, that if you're watching,

you can see Cadiz behind the guys,

they are Golf GTD.

Golf Mark 7 Cadiz Wheels, I currently have Nagaros.

Recently refurbished in gloss,

but unmarked with brand new tires.

Sorry.

Shod, please.

Shod in rapid, SP 609s, I

believe.

And the truth part?

The ones you want.

The truth part, they have a very cheap,

will refurb, that's been sprayed fully black

to not show anything, and they're on cheap ditch finders.

Shod.

In cheap ditch finders.

Very nice.

Wrapped.

Wrapped.

So, basically, I would like,

the wheels on my golf, it's just sales talk now.

I want to explain the context.

The wheels on my golf are the one part of it

that really lets it down, I think.

So, let me tell you why my offer is this.

No, but I'm, unfortunately--

They let it down because they're actually

really quite scratched up, and that wasn't

me, I got that way.

Yeah, so, yeah.

And I don't like them, because they have--

Oh, this is going further and further away,

isn't it?

Because they have this, or the design of

them, have you got a very small violin?

Like various pieces.

Am I allowed to speak on this?

This is gone, I just, I just,

I just, not.

This is Ben at the dealership for a new car company.

Am I car's broken?

(Carol laughs)

This is going to work, and please go have money off.

Just put the offer in the bag,

bro.

(Carol laughs)

They have the design of them,

the girls have these weird triangles in the

corner of the spokes, I really don't like.

So I want to get rid of them,

and then we have this go far with these wheels.

Yeah.

So I want to buy them, Edwin said you want to buy them?

Right, so.

And I'm going to buy them off you guys for,

what, off the business, to be fair,

not even you guys.

So I'm just, you know, I'm just having a look on it.

Okay.

I've just had a look on me about what they're

selling for.

So can we make off?

Please go ahead.

You've done your research, obviously.

Yeah.

You took the market, you've done the same.

Off you for them.

You've seen what that goes on.

Because also, we'll do it in another video,

so it's still content for the business.

I'm going to say, 100 pounds.

Okay, there's, that's what the last set sold

for, that's 450 pounds.

Yeah, but, but, but, but how do I know those

ones were sold to one of the boys?

What's that mean?

Well, you get a little mates' rates,

like with discount.

So you're buying one wheel, I think.

So if you were a mate, you'd get a discount.

Yeah.

Cool, so we're looking about 400,

500 pounds.

Ben, the wheels are yours for 200 pounds.

Okay, 150, it's me in the middle.

175, somewhere in the middle.

That's not the middle.

I said 100, you just did.

Oh, you did?

Yeah, yeah.

150.

I thought I just said 200 and you went,

let's meet in the middle, 150.

150.

And I'll gift you my car for content as well.

Giving you my personal car for content.

That's what we do anyway, because you won't

fix your own car.

Yeah, I know, but I didn't know that.

175, let's meet in the middle.

Okay, 160.

Do you want me to find out what's in the

middle of 150 and 175?

Yeah, it would be 167 and a half.

160.

Yeah.

Is that it?

Truio 169, is it funny?

169 is good.

All right, very nice to see you.

It's actually middle points 162.5,

so you've talked to yourself up.

That's complete.

169 pounds, good stuff, Ben.

We'll go with that.

Thanks, Ben.

What a fantastic deal we have done.

Cool, fantastic.

Thank you very much.

Now, also, before we actually get on to my

Rule or Ruin, which is a rule,

again, because it has to be.

But we've also been looking for a car for the

Benjamin, over there.

So as you would have heard on the last

podcast, Ben has sold his S2000,

his dream car, the one he said he'd never sell.

He loved it so much.

He thought he'd go out and make a bit of

profit on it.

He didn't make profit on it.

I don't think that's true.

I spent 5,000 pounds on bushings.

I made a very small profit on it.

It was a very small profit on it.

Ben is in limbo, currently, and we have

another green trip coming up.

Trip coming up in early July,

and we're thinking of buying a temporary car

for Ben to scoot around in at the Niveurgring.

And we've been looking at some options.

Obviously TT's have propped up.

And again, this podcast is sponsored by the

guys at Car Vertical.

So we have been using it heavy on some of these TT's.

Because some of the TT, we're looking at Mark

1's, Mark 2's.

They're an old Audi at this stage.

That's some real sketchy stuff.

We've already been there with the RSX.

We've been there with the Golf R and the Golf GTD.

So it's rough.

We've done loads of reports.

And so many of them you put a report in,

especially on an older, higher mileage Mark 1 TT.

and all boy have they got some assessments.

Yeah, they're tough.

So and they're getting very cheap now,

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Like we will leave for Ben's TT.

Ben, is it your focused on TT 3.2?

I would really quite like the other one.

There has been an update on that.

As you were having your own TT actually,

Rory came in and we were, you know,

Ben was gesticulating all over the place.

At us, pretty standard day.

And he quite enjoys a Mark II TT.

Okay.

Because I believe this, right?

Now people might not agree, but I believe this.

The Mark II TT, if you get a very nice one

and it's got some wheels on it a little bit

lower, you tell me that car is 10 years old,

I believe you.

10:00 Discussion on Audi TTs and Their Appeal

You tell me that car is 15 to 20 years old.

I'd say, yeah, that's when that came out.

They're 20 years old now and they don't look

20 years old.

And I think that could be, they are quite fresh.

Especially the inside, because they're very,

the inside.

Animal and lovely.

Inside is really nice on them.

The only thing is I just struggle to see,

I've never see ones done nicely that don't

have the TTS or a TTRS kit.

Perhaps the standards are challenged for us then.

Hey, perhaps it is.

So we've been looking at all sorts.

We've been, the video and a V6,

which there's going to be, there's lots,

there's going to be Instagram influencers.

influencers out there that will say that it's

not the car to go for.

It's got the heavy front end and the heavy

forward drive system.

The one you want is the two liter diesel

convertible manual.

Exactly.

It's got that pure, the rev range,

it's the torque down low, it's the A to B cross country.

It's the one you want to be in.

Also, if you were a businessman in 2010,

you go for this one, wouldn't you?

You'd buy this for your wife.

Also, hold on.

Instagram influencers, let's stop with the sexism.

It's not the thinking man's choice.

It's the thinking man or woman's choice.

It's just the thinking choice.

It's the think is choice.

Because choice is the name of our pub.

That's quite good.

There's also another reason,

which is I want to manual.

Yes.

And

finding a Mark 1 manual is much harder,

especially in the budget, we're probably

going to have this than a Mark 2.

Now, the Mark 2 as well, the engine is

slightly revised, so you get a slightly different noise.

It's a bit more raspy.

I want to know if this is actually if you

keep saying this.

I don't know if this is a slight difference,

I think, and it's to do with like,

it's just a slightly different exhaust setup.

But what I want to know is if it's easily

solvable, right, you can get that.

I have noticed that if you look at a Mark 2,

they have a deeper thrum, a growl perhaps,

than a sort of smoother Mark 1,

but the engine's somewhat similar.

I just want one very much.

Did we talk about my landlord?

No, we haven't mentioned that yet.

My very kind, sweet landlord lady is very

kind and sweet and old, which is not bad old,

but they don't care too much

about the cars that I bring home.

They live kind of not too

far away from the place that we live.

And I bought the TVR

and obviously I did some modification to the

exhaust and I was a bit like,

are they going to like this?

I had a message.

It was a message from other things,

but at the end of it, it said,

by the way, I think you have a new car on the block.

Love the deep throat growl.

What make is it?

Now, you know, you know, they're mistakes.

We make mistakes, but I read that and I just stared.

I just stared at it.

I said to my girlfriend, can you check my messages?

See, that's what I would say.

And she just started howling with laughter.

So not to be mean to my ladle,

but if anybody says, it's got a real throaty

growl, I can't read that anymore.

That's rough to just throw in extra word in

there and was like, right, see what he does

with that one.

Just missed a why, just a why off the end of

it, changed the whole look of that message.

Deepy, growly.

Right.

So that's ruin.

I'm going to say rule, what my reasons,

I have a reason for all, I have a very good

reason for all.

And that's the only one I'm getting.

But also, because it now has an M.O.T.

Now has an M.O.T.

I haven't seen it since M.O.T.

It's with the guys at SPR, they're sorting many things.

There should be a reason to ruin,

because I got a message from Stuart at SPR.

He said, "All good night.

Car is M.O.T.

Also, the engine that you had is related to

the crankshaft position sensor,

which is, you won't have seen it in the

videos, but it's something I looked at behind the scenes.

So the crankshaft sensor on a Mercedes logo

is about 450 pounds plus of that.

I mean, any other car, 10 quid?

Yeah, maybe, maybe 50, maybe 50 pounds.

Yeah.

And obviously, it's in the middle of the

engine in the gearbox.

So, and the way they're laid out is that's

bang in the middle of the car,

right where you can't get to.

And he said they normally can get quite

seized and nasty in there.

So we'll see how that goes.

That could be quite the bill.

But I knew that car would need a little bit

of money spending with it, but hopefully in

the next week or so, that car is ready to go,

basically.

I have the Mégane, John at Comran is making progress.

That car is now tuned.

It has a new clutch, has a new flywheel,

has a timing belt, a couple of other bits.

And then once I get it back,

we have cage seats, other bits to do.

I'm very excited to see that car again.

It's going to be very cool.

Realistically, the bill for the Nacilago

should be able to win, but not possible.

When I saw that little green DVLA thing,

and it just said pass, and the car's now

taxed, it's insured, it's ready to go.

I'm very, very happy with it.

Yeah, nice for some.

(laughs)

And no advisories either.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Very, very nice.

We were talking, yeah, we were talking about

this off-camera, that it makes sense that

supercars like that, that are so,

like, mainly checked over by workshops,

would have no advisories.

But in theory, you'd look at it and go,

surely you have some advisories.

Surely it's gonna be a couple,

but if it's getting checked over for three

weeks worth, yeah, you'd hope they were numb.

I don't think my cars ever had a fail,

and you'll find out lots of supercars where

they're just gonna go to someone who,

I don't even know who's ever teed it,

it's, I have no idea, and I think it is,

'cause the car doesn't need a friendly one,

if you like, but it's all kind of legit.

Well, 'cause they would typically have,

I have this one there, a car there,

they check it over, right?

And then if there is an issue,

then they fix it before the demo take,

'cause maybe it doesn't make any sense to.

But typically, lots of cars like that will

have a fruity exhaust of some variety,

so you can imagine this, some stuff going on.

There's some, emotee testers with hearing

problems, perhaps.

Yeah, and sight, sounds fine to me.

And sight.

It's all right.

Yeah, and smell problems some times ago.

Rich, isn't it?

I'm very rich.

(laughs) Running very rich, in fact,

I am, yeah.

Things.

What about stuff?

Oh, and stuff?

We've got plenty of stuff.

Good.

We've got plenty of stuff.

There's some news to talk about.

We have, Ben, you've put in here a Taycan eShift.

This is electric, so we'll get it out of the way.

Yeah, they've added the Taycan for next year,

added eShift to it.

You know, it's just the fake shifting paddle

thing where it emulates a gearbox.

So is this like what they, 'cause Audi,

for a long time, had CVT, and they put

paddles in it so that you could shift.

And it is.

And it felt like you were shifting gears.

I think that is obviously still,

is that still mechanical in a way?

Like it limits the CVT, how it actually changes.

Yeah.

Whereas this is like, is it just audio,

or is it?

No, I think you, 'cause it's in the Hyundai Ionic 5N.

Yeah, 5N.

Apparently, everyone says it's quite fun.

Yeah.

'Cause it feels like it's not a shifting,

but it feels like in the motors,

like, joke you about and stuff.

All right, sign me up.

Let's get a couple in.

Sorry.

(laughs)

I'm going to books.

Yeah, I thought that was, you know.

Reach around the system.

(laughs)

Yeah, I thought it was, it was just a small

thing, but I thought that was somewhat

interesting for them.

So out of interest, do you think still no one

will buy it?

Yes, they've also, I've also read that they

have now stopped doing the estate version in the US.

Really?

I guess that makes sense, because not many,

that's not as big of a thing in America,

like wagons.

We're used to wagons.

It's a cool one.

It is, but to an American granted,

like enthusiasts, Americans are gonna go,

"Oh, cool."

But most of them are gonna go,

"We don't need that, I'll have an SUV."

Also in America, where so many people are

driving so far, I imagine it must be a hard sell.

And it's you're living in a city or

something, like you're not doing many miles,

but for us here, like, if you're driving

three or 400 miles, you're doing a massive

trip, you're only doing it every now and

then, whereas Americans are like,

"I'm just gonna work."

Yeah, yeah.

Three hundred miles.

Well, I mean, it's really not that common,

but it's way more common to do that many

miles in a day or in a car.

A couple of days than it is to do that here.

Would Mike Mute be considered like normal in America?

Yeah, you, but so I was speaking,

when I was in America, I spoke to a guy who

said, "I have an hour and 50 commute every

day, each way."

And he was like, "That's brilliant,

yeah."

It wasn't like a, "Ugh."

It was, "Yeah, that's how far I go."

I guess a lot of it is more highway stuff,

so they're actually doing way more miles,

but because most of it is straight line stuff.

Now, I think we said this before when we came

back from Monterey, something we've never

mentioned before, in a place we've never

mentioned or been, that Americans might be

the worst drivers on Earth.

I do believe this in my soul,

you have the ability to undertake legally.

That's your, which amendment is that?

You may have to take.

And yet, you've just put it around at like 35

on a motorway that you're only allowed to do

55 up to 70 on.

They're absolutely shit.

I hope, I bet you there'll

be lots of Americans listing that move to the UK.

We know from our friend Jake,

when he first got here, he was like,

"What the hell is going on on your motorways?"

In the UK, there is a known,

there is a known thing that the outside lane

will be doing between 85 and 100 miles an hour.

That's, look, I'm not saying we're not doing

that, but that's what the motorway is doing.

And everyone knows to stay out of that way.

America, just seven lanes all doing 50,

just side by side.

What are you doing?

Pick a lane.

I'm cruised.

Why are there speed limits so low?

I don't know.

There's some where there's some states,

I believe, are 55 in Mac somewhere.

is something like, I don't know what they're

called, the long roads.

I just don't get unlimited, really.

I'm always

comparatively to Europe, actually.

Well, in Europe, they have some that are 80,

right?

Oh, cool.

So the 55 mile an hour national speed limit

was repealed in 1995.

State maximums now generally range from 60 to 85.

85?

Yeah.

I bet 85 on a long, on a road where there's

20:00 Speed Limits in the UK vs. USA

basically no one else, I bet even 85 feels a bit right.

Yeah, because that's the thing.

Our roads, we have a very small road packed

with three to four lanes at most.

They have five or six and they're hugely wide.

Yeah.

I was, you know, my Range Rover rental car,

of which I haven't yet still found out the

bill, that was doing 70 miles an hour everywhere.

It was doing that.

And it was doing it nicely.

Meanwhile, random back roads in the UK being

60 miles an hour.

A small lane down car's heading house.

Head on at each other, possibly a lorry,

possibly a tractor, possibly at night,

heading out each other at 60 miles an hour

with nowhere to pull in.

The wonders of the UK.

And then every other road goes to 20 miles an hour.

Guys, slow it down.

Don't be so stupid, everybody.

Meanwhile, the entire Wales being 20 miles an hour.

Is it?

All of their residential, well,

it was a thing.

I changed it, but it was at one point,

20 miles an hour.

I think all their residential was that.

I don't know how we got here from Americans.

We got, I don't know how we got there,

though.

But anyway, next piece of news from you

again, Christopher Columbus.

Is it Welsh?

About the Yesco Absolute.

Yes.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow, yeah, so what's happening then?

Absolutely, guys.

The Yesco Absolute has set the production

car, quarter mile record.

What is it?

That's what Wilder said.

I said, I just said there's Yesco Absolute News.

And I thought Ben would say it.

And he instead went, "Yeah, hold my hands off."

Yes, yes, that's people.

Yes, so the Yesco.

So I think from what you're saying,

it's beaten the quarter mile production record.

Which recently found out was the Corvette

ZR1X thing, which did a silly thing.

Yes, I guess.

So the ZR1X did, I had this written down,

hold on.

I saw a video of a man selling,

he's a man that I get served a lot,

he's in America, he has cars and he sells them expensive.

And he was selling a ZR1X $140,000 over

sticker, and the guy goes, "Yeah,

I'll take it."

How crazy?

$140,000.

Did it in 8.675 seconds.

Jesus.

The Yesco did it in 8.54.

Cursor, sorry.

A track and road car.

A track speed of

189.7.

I know we talked about the ZR1X.

Sorry, even the

Corvette was 159.

It's 30 mile an hour quicker.

Sorry, you say that number again?

189, and then the Corvette was 159.

190 miles an hour.

Yeah.

At trap speed.

That's what is trap speed.

What is trap speed?

It's sort of like the speed at which you sell drugs.

But is that when it hits the finish line?

That's when you hit the course mile.

Yeah, that's your trap speed.

Now I wanted to check this because usually a

car that runs quicker than nine seconds

quarter mile, you need and it traps over 150.

NHRA needs a certified roll cage in there.

So both those cars have to have roll cages

put in because they're doing more than less

than a nine second quarter mile.

If they're competing here, do they need parachutes?

But at the end, they're quite close to the car.

I know, some of the eight second like 140

eyes, they have parachutes.

Really?

Yeah, does it say anything about tires?

Everyone's 40-eyed.

There are some very fast in 140 eyes that are

in the eight and they're road cut well.

Oh, is that when the elbows get extended?

Is that what happens?

Yeah, you have to.

But these are the safety thing.

But you're talking like an 1800 horsepower

car and that's just a road car.

Standard Michelin factory street tires,

it doesn't say what ones?

What?

Jesus.

Getting a little bit silly.

They're premises.

(laughs)

Yeah.

There's just an all season.

Yeah.

It's a Toledo that I just put on the basics.

That is, I can't believe the,

so it's making up all of its time in the fact

that the trap speed is insane.

So I'm assuming something like the ZO1 is

much quicker off the line.

Yeah, it is, so it's 2.3 to 60.

And the ZO1 was like a 1.6.

It was a 1.68.

So then after that, it's just,

it's just Mac.

It goes, oh, Macbass.

Before we go in the way, I might as well be 190 then.

Oh, sorry.

(laughs) For motorsport UK/SantaPod,

which is our big drag strip,

a parachute would be required once any

car exceeds 149 mile an hour terminal speed

over the quarter mile.

So you'd have to get a parachute on the back

of the yes go.

Do you think they drilled the brocage into

the yes go?

That's not a bolt in, there's just some dude going.

I wonder if there's a sharpie in the lid.

I wonder if there's something about cars like

that where there was a thing about the P1 GTR.

And I don't think the P1 GTR ever competed as

far as I'm aware.

But where the actual carbon tub was far

stronger structurally and safety wise than a

roll cage, so it never

needed one.

Oh, crazy.

When there was a photo, let me see if it has

a roll cage.

But it might be that, if there'll be a carbon

tub, I'm assuming.

So they might say, yo, don't worry about it,

we got that, we're on that modern stuff.

But did they--

Space age.

It's got a roll cage.

It does.

It does.

So was it done on their runway?

Or did they do it in America?

They did it in America.

It was on a standard runway in an angle home.

Then I think that's theirs.

On a runway?

Yeah.

'Cause that's the thing, I think the ZR1 was

a drag strip.

I think a prep, I don't know whether it was

prepped or not, but usually a prep,

a drag strips usually are prepped in that

they have a very sticky surface.

It would make sense why the 060 was so quick then.

Yeah.

It was a prep surface.

So let's get that, let's get that absolutely on.

Yeah.

That is where they are based,

that's where they have that long runway.

Let's take them out to America.

Let's take them out, we'll bell up Santa POD.

In fact, we're going to Santa POD in a couple

of weeks of filming, so let us know.

If you guys bring the parachute and the car,

we'll do the rest.

Yeah, it's so good.

Chris Yvonne Conan's egg also said like,

so obviously they hit that record,

he was really happy and he went,

"Yeah, that's good.

"The Gamera might do it quicker though,

"so we'll just have to wait and see."

Or you can ask him at the quail,

can't you?

Of course.

Well, you can.

Yeah.

We can't just relay the information.

Wasn't as long as possible.

Well, you'll have to let us know on the podcast after.

Well, and you'll have to dress me though,

for the occasion.

I really hope people missed the last podcast.

They're just wondering what's going on.

Right, well we got X.

Edwin, you've put in here Francis Bourgeois,

he really on that shit.

Now, I saw a video the other day,

you may have seen that Francis Bourgeois

bought an old Merc SL.

Just a normal R129 Mercedes SL.

I thought, okay, it's feeling a little bit

London influencer.

It's feeling this is really the thinking man's budget.

So which one was it?

Which one?

What level of SL was it?

I think it was a 300, I'm not sure.

So it's the thinking man's one that in the 300.

The 500 would be, well it'd be the 73,

would be the biggest one.

73.

Yeah, they made SL73s, 72s, 70s,

SL60s.

But the thinking man's one would be a 300.

It would be because it was, you know,

your highest MDG, it would get you around.

He has put, he then put up a reel recently,

I got served.

He put a slam there on Carlson wheels.

Okay.

With a diesel pump UK, a big mechanical fuel

pump making 550 horsepower and I think 500

native pan foot torque.

And like a catastrophic turbo on it.

Brother, welcome to the club.

Now I wasn't familiar with your game.

We've heard on multiple occasions from people

who work in the car, media industry,

that he's into that.

Now obviously he had the jazz and he got like

K20 swapped, but that's, I'm not trying to

gate keep, but that's quite an entry level thing.

Lots of people will know about a K20 and the

fact that you can put it in a jazz and you

can build that sort of thing.

But to go and buy an R129SL and then stick an

OM606 in it, that's not someone going,

oh by the way, you should do this.

And that's, I like the idea of this.

Let's build something cool.

There's a video of him running it on the,

or they run it on a engine dyno.

Yeah, that's cool.

It's like really cool.

Yeah.

So you know what Francis, please feel free

to, even if you want to promote the Grand

Tour, we'll talk about it.

Do you want us to check over that car as

well, just let us know.

We've got no space on the left right now.

Absolutely not.

So we'll put you on the quick Jack's answer.

We actually have no lift.

And no quick Jack's answer.

He 36 got no brakes.

So we'll do it on Jack stands outside then.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll come to yours.

How do we have two units and not a single lift?

It's the law of garage space.

Once you acquire garage space,

you will fill that garage space.

I'm quickly hoping that we just blow up with

that E55 on that lift.

Someone steals it.

Yeah, just take it.

Someone steals it.

How are we?

You have to do a rust repair and whack.

Take a subframe back in it, but take it.

But either way, crazy stuff from Francis

Bourgeois, very cool to see.

Another piece of noose that I only found out

about just today.

So this is from our boy HexGrafica,

who sends me things very, very regularly.

And again, I'll apologize for sometimes not

responding, but I just take your news and

then talk about it on the podcast.

He's your informant.

(laughs) There is a company called Cape

Advanced Vehicles.

Now, I know nothing about this company.

I've never heard of this company before ever

in my whole life.

And they have come out with thing that looks

like a Ford GT40, but it is based on an R8.

And I'm not sure I've seen anything that

looks quite as

horrific as it before in my life.

It's just called a GT Mark II Resto mod.

There's meant to be a rest of what,

but it's based on an R8.

There is a rear quarter angle of it that

looks so dire.

It's unbelievable.

Oh no, right, I'm gonna pull this up.

Ben, this is your live reaction.

Now, I've just seen, yeah, I've seen something.

Now, could you describe that,

please?

These four audio viewers.

Why don't you say Cav on the back?

Well, it's Jack Cavener, okay.

Oh, he does, actually.

Yeah, he does a little skip and then jumps in

the car and does 24 hours of Le Mans.

Cape, advanced vehicles, Ben.

Why do you think it's Cav?

Yeah, I mean, I did say it, early doors.

Oh.

Gage that brain, let's put the gear in.

Why does it have the same wheels as,

you know, the ones that when you put on your

E36 earlier, the one we put on the Jag,

the slicks?

Yes, it does.

It has cheap looking wheels.

R8, do you think it's based on?

Is it a Gen 1 V8?

Yeah, okay.

Well, I guess V8 makes more sense for G40.

So this is, this is South African then.

I'm seeing that the number plate is a South

African number plate.

Which, does that make sense with Cape?

That would also make sense.

There we go.

Look, we're putting this together as we get it.

Imagine those dots, just lines between those dots.

So

it is a 4.2 liter twin supercharged V8 and

it's all drive, which famously the GT40 was,

right?

Yep.

It's got all the sort of normal,

oh, hang on.

Yeah, it's still got all the electronics and stuff.

So it's kind of...

Now, the thing...

I don't really understand.

It does make sense.

So usually a GT40, when you imagine it,

he has

the lights are kind of, it's a big light.

But then the Mach 2 does have dual lights

that go down.

So they do make sense, but the lights on the

back of this one are, imagine like a Ferrari

4.8 light or just a Ferrari quad light,

but they've been turned 90 degrees.

So it just looks very odd, but it doesn't

have the, it doesn't have, it's not low enough.

Look how much height is between the bottom of

that skirt and the floor and how low the car is.

And it looks super, the GT40's,

it's in the name.

It's super low and super sleek and really low

to the ground.

And it's got huge rear tyres that look

insane, whereas that has none of those things.

From the rear, it's got a real,

drawing a GMAT 50 from memory.

Yeah.

It's a bit, it's just something a little bit drunk.

I can't have read.

And then there you go, there's the front of

it, which is.

What?

(laughs)

Now, okay, the doors, right.

Now, those doors look a lot like,

and obviously, R8 doors will open out normally.

Yep.

And people have fitted Gallardo,

sorry, like a Lambeau-style doors to

Gallardo's, two R8s before, and they tend to

come up and out like that because of clearance reasons.

If that's what that is, so for all your

listeners, this one has, Ben,

tell me the name.

Those are Sizzadors.

They'll go outwards as well as upwards.

Yes.

Which will, or is that dihedral?

Dihedral is...

I thought dihedral was at McLaren when it's

off tilt upwards.

The thing about that, well, you get very

upset with this, then, when they don't go

straight up, Sizzadors.

That's why they're like a Ventsor doors.

Yeah.

They've got to go straight up like a Kuntash

or a Diablo.

Yeah, that is, that's...

Also, it makes a GT40 doesn't have that.

No.

I get it, maybe they're trying to set to do

some kind of effect because the GT40 had that

very famous thing where it cuts into the

roof,

that's not what that is.

Also, I saw a who, I can't remember who this

was, it might have even been a good take from

old Doug DeMiro.

It could be, it was either Hill or Jason

Camise, but someone said that the point of

like a singerized car, a resto modded car is

not to reinvent the car with new parts.

It's to make the old car just a bit,

still look like the old car,

but improved the technology.

That's what I think all of these keep missing.

No one wants a new looking GT40,

just make a GT40 that looks old and then puts

new bits on it.

But it starts every time and things work

better than the 60s.

But that, having huge big wheels on it,

it doesn't look or feel right.

Make a replica, like they're clearly very

good at doing.

They've got, I can see on their site,

original looking replicas that look amazing,

but make a modernized one that has seats that are nice.

Where some rich dooders said they want that,

but it, as a bit of a,

No one else has this, but it doesn't look

good to me.

We're not the target audience,

we understand.

Always, but I still think it looks like ass.

Some other new car things, I've only just seen today.

A6 All Road, hell yeah.

I just saw the article on it literally this morning.

So there is a new A6 All Road,

so the new generation of Audi A6,

they have an electrical version and a

combustion engine version that have different

front ends, this all road is based on the one

with an engine, and my god does it look good.

Now Ben was very

34:05 New A6 All Road Model Discussion

quiet when we were talking about this earlier.

Ben have you seen this yet?

I wasn't listening earlier.

Okay, this makes sense.

I have seen it.

You've seen that car?

Yeah.

So here's the photo and what your thoughts?

I don't love this generation of A6,

but I mean...

Really?

I think the electric one that's considerably

worse, because it's got those Citroen Picasso

front lines.

It does.

But the main thing with this,

the rear of the new A6 All Road,

if you haven't gone and seen it,

or you're an audio listener,

oh my God, the chunk on this thing.

It's got some width at the rear.

That seems got hips.

She really does.

It really does.

Look, I've been

banging the drum of A6 All Road for a long time.

This is good.

Oh, you might know because you could lower

the

minute it would have good.

I'd do this too, do that too.

Yeah, that's why I mean it, but to clarify,

it's not because it's a off-roader.

You want to do the opposite of that?

I like them when they're built for off-road as well.

There's a guy back in the day took an

original road and put 1552 turbo max on it

and it looked really good.

I always wanted one for that,

but yeah, I'm a second generation,

no, so I'm a C7, I'm a third-generational road man.

But that is--

This is cool, one of my favorite new cars

that I've seen and I think they have

two-liter turbo petrol and a three-liter

turbo diesel V6.

Hey, gang, maybe not all is lost.

Maybe they're in new cars that can be cool.

I will say it is an exceptionally

aggressive-looking car for what is actually a

standard A6 realistically.

The old road I would traditionally had was a

tiny bit wider, but it wasn't that much more

mental than an A6.

That looks like a Jack-Tub RS6 now.

Do you know what it feels like?

It feels like a 911 Dakar, where it feels

like this one-off special edition.

It feels like an off-road RS6 that they've

made, but I'd love to see someone now

swapping the four-liter twin turbo into that.

Yeah.

As a thing that you could go and drop your A6

off, all road off of someone.

They swap it out as a service like those M3s,

wagons that we're seeing.

Yeah, yeah.

That'd be cool.

But this is cool.

I really like that.

Fair play Aldi.

Good stuff, Aldi.

Keep it up, guys.

And then onto other wagon news is the sort of

our new Alpina type vibe, the Bovin Seeper.

The Bovin Seeper, they came out with a thing

called the O5 GT.

Not O5, not O4 Rich, or anything like that.

This is the O5 GT, which is essentially sort

of an M5 touring with some ridiculous,

but I think it's about 70 horsepower,

something insane like that, but it's very cool.

Yeah, now I haven't actually read that much

into it, but is the body base just a normal M5?

Because somehow they have made it look less

angry, if that makes sense.

It no longer looks as, I don't,

yeah, just aggressive as the M5.

The new M5, and almost especially the

touring, look, they're fat.

They have a RS6 fat.

They have that, we're just adding because

that, you can see we've got photo up here.

It still does have width in the front and

rear arches, but it looks more,

it looks somehow, it does look Alpina.

Like it, I know that's their whole,

that's their thing, it's their business

still, but they've managed to do it again

without even having any of the identifiable Alpina parts.

Yeah, M5 underneath, I'm sorry,

I've got the power figure wrong,

it's 790 horsepower.

Of course, apologies.

I don't like that.

You don't like it?

In the track shot you're showing,

I do, but then in the, the studio shot I really don't.

Why, what is it that's throwing you off then?

Well, from here it was a scoda in that shot.

But that's gonna be the same as all M5.

But the new M5, I wouldn't have one,

but I do think whenever I've seen one,

they look, they're big.

Oh, so you think it needs that?

Yeah, I think it's, I don't think it's that

good of a design, I think, I think that,

that, that thickness to it, if you will.

There was something about the rear.

Makes that.

Yeah, the rear was my favorite.

So the rear I like the most,

the rear I think looks a bit neat and a bit

tidier than a,

That's F11.

M5.

It does look like an F11.

F11.

Yeah.

Whereas, 'cause the M5 is so,

I don't know what, there's something,

I need to see them side by side in person,

but there's, the M5 as lots of features get

lost, 'cause they've just added lots of width.

I still like the M5, I think they look cool,

but the thing is, this is still,

it's got more power and it's tiny bit lighter.

I have seen, I've worked it out.

It's the, the M5 has the weird mustache thing

at the rear, but it'll up and down flick.

I hate that.

It has on the bumper.

I was actually about to say that.

So, so they've managed, they've basically

mastered in like a 520D SE bumper into the

rear and it makes it look much better.

So I still prefer the normal rear end,

but I would get rid of that.

Wherever I see that weird bulge looking thing.

Oh, sorry, a M5?

Yeah, the M5,

no.

The middle of the diffuser, if you just made

that match the rest of the diffuser,

it would look pretty cool.

They've also brought out a carbon full carbon

body to M4, I think, which is there,

that's their launch thing, the one that we

talked about a little while ago.

The O5 was it?

O5 GT?

'Cause I say that, O5 GT.

The badge they've got on the back,

obviously, they used to be a D5 or a B5.

It looks suspiciously similar,

but the O, I

looked at the R and I went, is it the same B5?

Oh, it's O5, it's the eight,

not B5.

They know what they're doing.

But yeah, very cool.

So that's two cool estates.

Also, considering that estates were kind of

like looking a bit dead, looking a bit dead

in the water, like Mercedes,

I think it'll stop doing them,

two cool estates.

out there and buy them, we're not gonna do it

'cause we can't.

But if you could all do it, that'd be amazing.

So away from some news is for a while,

'cause that might be it, but we'll see.

A question, which we've kind of discussed out

of the podcast ourselves, but we're gonna

throw it out to the Cremers as well.

What car were you taking home in as a new

human being, as a baby?

Benjamin.

We had a small discussion about this and

yours is quietly very cool.

I mesh my dad, I don't know.

And I asked the question and he said a W210E

class, which

is not bad.

Which is, it was an E300.

I didn't know.

And there was an E300.

Avant Garde.

Which is petrol or diesel?

Diesel, apparently.

And E300 diesel usually

means it's an M606.

Which is, your dad was on that.

It might be it, it might be not.

And my dad was an early 2000s businessman.

Now, tell me this, M606 meant to be famously

reliable, right?

Yeah.

He said it was one of the least reliable cars

he ever had.

Yeah, interesting.

It might not be, I think there might be some

different variations of 300,

but if--

I have heard that era of Mark is quite bad.

Yeah, he literally, even to this day,

he says, I know, he actually has a prejudice

against Mark now, 'cause he believes that

they're crap because of that.

Was it engine, or does he not know?

It was a mixture of, mostly engine,

because it'd be like breaking down level.

He used to work in like Maidenhead way.

Did he buy it brand new?

Yeah.

Also, why are you just talking to that about

working in Maidenhead 30 years ago?

Oh, no.

Now I can trace him to you.

I don't even know if it was Maidenhead,

it was somewhere down this direction.

Could catch very much.

I don't know, I genuinely.

And he used to come back on the M4 on a

Ferrari night and the amount of times that he

would just be delayed because his car was

having issues was quite a lot.

And this is like a well maintained,

basically, it would have been probably,

what, at the time, probably two years old?

He should have done, he should have taken it

to Francis Bourgeois and he would have put a

big single, big old turbo on it.

He would have taken it out and put an SL300

engine in there.

'Cause he had one spare.

Exactly.

And the other thing was, well,

he said it was that, I was brought back,

but then the thing I was driven around on top

of that was a--

On top of that.

You had two cars on top of each other.

But they put you on top of the car.

No, but it was, the two car garage was that

and a Renault Spass.

Oh.

Clean.

Which was also famously unreliable.

Okay.

And the Spass of--

Okay.

Yeah.

So you could be a scenic.

Oh, now that changes things.

'Cause the Spass was off, let me look it up.

So when we find out it was an avantime.

It had two doors.

It had two doors.

It was an avel status.

Super rare.

He said--

I don't have a convertible roof.

You get it from the BBC.

Apparently in a Spass.

Crazy.

Do you know if it was a generation one or a

generation two as fast?

Remember, Robin from Viking Detail will be

listening to this.

So you need to be, you need to make sure this is correct.

'Cause that's his thing.

Let me look at the finding outs.

What does that mean?

What does that mean?

In the meantime, Will?

I was, so this discussion came from dad and

my dad asked, he asked me, which was interesting.

What was it like?

Can't you remember?

And he had to predict, again,

this is just car people's stuff.

He was like, what was it?

And I was like, let me ask my mum if she will

know for sure.

And then he was like, I reckon,

I'm pretty sure it was this.

It was a Volvo 340 GL.

Cool.

And I asked my mum without giving it any,

any hint as to what it was.

He went, it was a Volvo 340.

He was my Nan's car, I think or something.

So it was exactly what it is.

He's a Volvo.

So not hugely exciting, if I'm honest,

but.

And the less, that was the car.

But you said, what was the car that you used

to, when you grew up, you had many,

there were many different, there was a van at one point.

My mum had a van, a transit van,

like a sticker that, that's just for a

tipper, that was a tipper.

A tipper is crazy.

I just get picked up from working a tipper.

For what?

Tipped up from work?

I used to get it to a car.

When my mum got a tipper, you got to work.

Five years old.

Well, we're going down a site,

come on.

Right, do you want to do bricks or do you

want to go and be a chippy?

A chippy?

Yeah.

Well, I meant fishing chips.

That's the one, mate.

Blue collar bed.

No, chippy is a carpenter.

Correct.

But I thought...

Well, if you're going to a chippy,

I guess.

Yeah, if you go, yeah.

If I go up for dinner and I...

Do you go to bag a wood?

I wouldn't be that crazy, man.

You've got to calm this down.

It's a family podcast, isn't it?

Yeah, there's many rough looking cars.

From that, Ben?

Yeah.

Ben's just told.

It was a fourth generation.

So, when it...

Wow, hold on.

Yeah.

Is that what I think that is?

Is that the full, not aluminium?

What are they?

I think they are full of us.

I don't know anything about us passes.

I don't know what I want.

No, there was one.

That was a two car garage when I was a child.

Do you mean Ben?

This thing, which is, I think,

a full, full aluminium.

That's the badger.

Bloody hell, I've never known anyone to...

Like, I never see these.

They look very rare.

Because they're very blowy-appy.

Oh, no.

Well, that one was.

As you found out.

As you found out.

The engine blew up.

I have a weird enjoyment of the third gen aspasses.

These ones here, in the middle,

for those listening.

It's a third gen aspass.

The F1 car.

Because of the F1 car.

When I look at the, when I see these on the

road, and especially they have this like wing

thing at the back.

Look, it's not wing.

It's a roof rack.

Yeah, no.

But it splits in half.

Exactly.

So you can pull it forward.

But when everyone would drive around at the

back, I'd be like, it's cool.

That's very cool.

Also the mirror design.

That and the Vectra.

Yeah.

It has to be said.

What was going on?

Early 2000s, everyone went, make the wing

mirror is cool.

Make them vent it.

Like this brick of an automobile,

these aerodynamics.

Everyone saw the E36M through and went,

I have a, that's actually pretty nice.

Nice.

I'm very lucky.

I have, I went home in a Volvo 850R.

That's kind of mad.

It's the coolest one we've heard so far.

So, I think I've told the story quickly

before, my dad had a chimera five litre up

until about two weeks before I was born and

my mum went, just like out of interest,

what do you think we're gonna do?

Do you think, how do you think we're gonna get hurt?

I knew him, we're gonna do a skid.

Yeah.

That's what we're gonna do.

He went, we, he was.

I'm getting you a taxi.

He was in Germany do like on a business trip

and in the middle of the night got flashed to

move over while doing a certain amount of speed.

What came past was a Volvo wagon.

So he walked into the Volvo dealership and

said, "Sorry, what was that?"

Because before, before, you know,

TV or a being able to search it and I said,

"Yeah, my dad's just not in trouble."

And they said, "That was probably an 850R."

And they, he managed to do a swap for that,

for like an X demo, like higher mileage one.

And then sold it two months after because he

said he felt like an old man.

No, how long was it?

I think he said it was black.

Okay.

And I don't think it was a manual,

I think it was an auto.

And it was the family.

It was the family man.

It's the family man.

The thinking family man.

The family thinker.

What else was on your driveway at the time?

I don't know that.

I know that at one point, my dad has a lot of

good car stories.

I think it was just before I was born,

he had a Jeep Cherokee and a Mark II--

Bonxy one.

Yeah.

And a Mark II Golf GTI that was a little bit

old at the time.

And he woke up one morning and car was gone.

And the keys may or may not have been in the ignition.

Nice.

And then when the police came,

he said, he said--

Don't know.

Don't know how they got it.

Stole it.

Gone.

And they said, cool, do you have your keys?

And he went, yeah, I've got them.

He must have broken in.

Yeah, and took the keys.

So I won't reveal a full story,

but I don't want to implicate anyone.

But yeah, there was a lot of funny

resolutions about cars that came and went,

but I don't know

what the other car was, I'll have to ask it.

But put your

cars in the comments.

And don't lie.

Don't go ahead.

Don't go ahead.

Don't say I was going to share on my God

taking that in awesome thing.

Car, that's our car meat, cars and comments.

Cars and comments, there it is.

And everyone's got to bring the car there.

And you're allowed to make really shitty

comments for everyone's cars.

Yeah, it's our car.

That's horrible.

Hey listen, we'll be there doing it.

So just join us.

But I'm very interested to see if anyone's

got some cool, some, do you know what they are?

The cool cars that you get taken home in as a

newborn human, there's a good crossover with

that if you know you know cars.

It's probably not going to be a supercar or a

sports car or something, maybe,

like a 911 is possible.

something like that.

But like a Mondeo V6.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

Ooh, yeah.

That's a bad ST200 or something.

That's someone in the comments,

better have gone over to ST200 or something,

something, just let us know.

And if you have, can you do,

no you can't.

Also, it's like an old band.

Can you send photos of this platform?

No.

Also the best thing.

Email us, if you have a cool one and you send

the photo, you have proof, photo evidence,

and we might talk about it.

If you don't have photo evidence,

don't bother contact.

And you can't send a press image of the car,

please.

Just like this one, I'm not gonna say older

creamers, but the creamers of age,

like Will.

Okay, there you go.

We'll have automatically cooler cars,

because even if you went home in a Ford

console, or you went home in an escort mark

too, that's now cool.

Whereas back then, that was just a car.

If you went back in a Mondeo V6,

back then it would be like, it's just a car.

Oh, he's getting Atlantic.

He's been home in the winter with basketball.

Bugatti.

Yeah.

What color is it?

Clazures.

Yep.

Edwin, you're putting here 550 prices.

It's tough.

I'm not happy about this.

What Will means is that--

50.

There you go, very good.

Why do you realize that?

49:17 Ferrari 550 Maranello Price Trends and Will's Dream Car Dilemma

For how an American would probably say it.

That's the 550.

Oh, man.

As we all know, my side to the coin of Will's

Mercilago is the Ferrari 550.

If you ever get on with it.

Well, this might be the issue.

Ben, this might be the issue.

As many know, old Jezza, he has not been

responding to my text circles,

and that is my who's Jezza.

That's Jezza.

Not Jeremy Clarkson, who I immediately

thought of when you said Jezza.

No, no.

The Jeremy that we all know,

that everyone, the more famous Jeremy,

who's a man in France who owns supposedly a

crash Ferrari that won't reply to my emails,

the plan was to try and buy a crashed one

because I wanna modify it.

The prices are going badly for me.

In the last two weeks, was I sent it to you

while I was away.

On bring a trailer, a Ferrari 550 Maranello

sold in America for $440,000.

No, that is a lot.

Now, what's special about this car?

Nothing.

Nothing.

It's red.

It's got lowish miles, I think it had 13,

it's a 13,000 mile car.

So for Ferrari, not super, like it's low,

but you'll find cars with three,

four, 5,000 miles on it.

And it's gray and it's got red interior.

That's a relatively common spec.

Right.

There is nothing, if there is anything mad

or--

Nothing particularly one of one seat.

Was it a charity auction?

Nope, just on bring a trailer right now.

There's one ending, it ends in a day.

Current bid is $380,000.

This one has, hold on.

But why are they going up so suddenly?

US prices are, well, I don't know what it is,

they're not the smoking in the US at the

moment, but they're just throwing money at stuff.

Just chucking it.

Over time, it will gradually bring--

This car has 6,000 miles.

So half of the other one.

So in theory, it has to sell for more.

This has to be now, a half a million dollar car.

Please, I'm gonna, this is gonna be,

this is rough.

So I, this might now, Jeremy's getting more

messages, he's getting more calls,

shorter in the message.

Hi, Jeremy.

Jeremy, please--

What are we doing?

Please pick up, pick up the phone.

Where are you?

I, I'm worried, is what I am.

I want to ask you a question right now on this podcast.

Let's do it.

Have you considered not by a crashed one?

Yes, now.

But hang on, let me just pitch it to you.

But because of this.

Okay, because William Chandler over here owns

some Lamborghini Marshall Hunger.

Yes, now--

Sounds very open about the fact that he

doesn't own it outright.

Yes.

You could now finance one, and is it a case

of, okay, you either never have one,

or you have one that isn't a modified,

modifiable one, or modified one.

You can't do ITBs to it, and 'cause you don't

wanna lose it.

There's no value on it, but you do then get

to own one.

It's a good question.

It's not worth it to me then.

So then it's not to me, I would argue it's

not my dream car then.

Yes, what?

Because for that will, for example,

he would go, he would stop at nothing to have

the Marshall Hunger, whereas for you,

it has to be one that's closed,

crashed.

No, no, if I was a millionaire,

I'd go out and buy the nicest one I could

find, and then modify it.

Okay.

But I couldn't afford to put myself in that

financial situation, and then devalue the car that much.

Because then I'm on my efforts,

because if something happens and I need to

sell it, I can't pay for it anymore.

But then why not just buy one and enjoy it as

it is for it?

Because I can't enjoy it as it is,

because once I have an idea or a vision for a

car, it has to happen or I won't enjoy it.

So you're telling me on this podcast,

right?

It's very second that there is a chance you

may never own one.

Potentially.

And that you are okay with that,

and you've reached acceptance on this.

I'd rather not than put myself in that

position and then not be able to do the

things I wanted to do to it.

Okay.

Because then you're scared of the thing you own.

So that's never worth it ever.

So then what is the car then?

Well, we'll have to find out.

But what is the car you would like Will?

There's no car, there's no car where I

wouldn't modify it.

Okay.

Lotus Colton's one of the like semi ones

where I'd love to own a Lotus Colton and I

just don't think I'd do much to it.

Really?

And Delta?

Delta and I don't wanna do loads to a Delta.

Really?

Delta's a, they're fun.

This is the one that I was in custodian trip of.

It was slow-ish, it was pretty slow,

like it wasn't that.

It's more exciting car.

That needs to be made like 400 plus horsepower.

Okay.

So this is unfortunately my curse is that I

like modified cars, but I also like high-end

modified cars, which means I can't.

With a 575.

If a rough 575 that you could convert.

That's, I think--

That feels like an avenue.

That is, I think, that's what I've been

looking at recently.

But would you get into it every time and

think, oh, I wish this was a 550.

But if you're changing it enough from its

base, I would deface lift it.

I would make it look like a 550.

And you'd be okay with that.

I, yes and no, 550 is the car that I saw when

I was a child.

It's the thing, it is the object in this

world I've wanted for the longest.

Okay.

Put it like that.

Sure.

So I'd always be like, this is not that car.

But if it looks 99% of the way to it,

hey man, fine.

It's the biggest thing is the dashboard.

I prefer the 550 dashboard and you can't

really convert 575 to a 550.

And then you've got five parts that are,

because even starting on a 575,

I don't know how available some of these bits are.

But as these cars get more expensive,

if you just want to get a bumper or a dash or

whatever it else to convert back,

you're then looking really hard and yeah,

it's tough.

So would a 575 suffice?

I think potentially, because there are like

Stuart from SBR has said, I can manually swap it.

It's something we can, it'll cost you,

but it's something we can do.

So I just want to see that.

I want to see the Ferrari and the Lamborghini together.

I want to see that.

That's TDC at peak, right?

Okay, but then what are you getting?

Where's the V12 Vantage, Ben?

I can't afford one, if I'm being honest.

Well, you can, you've got most of the money

for the deposit in your S2000 fund.

I think we can get that going.

Let's get some financial mistakes going,

guys.

No, how about we get some finance companies

in the comments?

I need someone to sit alongside me.

I can't, without going too far into it,

I can't afford to run it.

But that's, I think you can figure it out.

I think you can figure it out.

It's still a V12 in a day.

If I need to buy some core packs,

all right, I'll call it a 50% core pack,

but then also they have 12 of them I need.

Injectors, don't we wanna think about it?

I'd like to turn this back around on you,

turn the gun back on your--

Sure, and then can you pull the trigger,

if possible?

Yes, because I don't think you want it that much then.

Ooh.

I have the same level of--

No, it's diagnosis as you do.

Dagnosis.

Dagnosis, that's when--

That's when--

Shoes blowing smooth off.

Any kind of diagnosis.

Yeah.

Is that when you worry about those things,

you're thinking too far into it.

It's worth thinking about, and most people

will think like that, but that's when most

people will never buy those cars.

I know.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I could be most people in this situation.

I can't, but that's what I'm trying to get to.

Yeah.

Is that when you start looking,

and trust me, I do it all the time with a

mercy logo, I'm thinking, oh my God,

if that goes wrong, then, but will it?

The likelihood of it going wrong is--

And ideally, you should be able to afford the

car two, three, four times over,

so that you can repair whatever,

but unfortunately, life ain't that long,

brother.

Yeah.

You could be waiting a long time before you

could actually get to that point,

so you got to kind of do it and figure it out.

Do it, and apologize later.

Oh, wow, where's that from?

That's from the company that Ben and I used

to work for, Street Cupid Bloody.

Oh, Will work there, too.

It was across the wall, it was.

Yeah, massive, always say nine feet.

Yeah.

Do it, apologize and then never do that again.

And then if you did it and apologize later at

that company, they'd be very upset at you.

(laughing)

So for me, I don't know what to do.

Is it V12, but V12 is not necessarily your absolute...

I think I've installed now, it's my boy.

So therefore, I think that's before the V12

vintage, just I could not own one.

Okay.

But I could have, well, like I've answered,

so I might, I could go for a V8.

But could you not own an event at all?

Could you live with that on your deathbed?

The different, well, I would.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

If I came into money suddenly,

Yeah.

I would.

You'd have to clean it up first.

You suddenly going and you ruined it.

How about this, Ben?

I would, wait, let me make the first question.

I don't know, I'm just gonna,

just to tee up the question,

on your deathbed from your tropical disease

that we talked about in the preamble.

Cutting out.

Ben, what sort of disease do you think will

be most likely to get a catch?

Well, actually most likely.

Yeah.

You want my honest opinion?

Yeah.

Not disease.

Yeah.

(laughing)

You'd have a tropical disease.

I think I would have.

'Cause you go on so many holidays.

You'll get in malaria.

Far cry too, style.

Could you live with not owning an event at all?

I, okay, right.

If I suddenly came into a load of money,

I would never advise.

One of the first thing I would do is buy a man's store.

Okay.

One of the first things I'd do.

Would now hold on, hold on, hold on.

One off.

Explain.

I bought those couple of things a day.

It's a car podcast.

No, you should.

I buy some watches, man.

Okay.

100%.

That's the first thing I'd do.

And now I go buy some cars.

And you wear them all at the same time?

No, no.

I just wear them one at a time.

Should you buy the car first to go and get the watches?

Oh yeah.

Then you might get the watches.

No, 'cause why they don't take me seriously

by the car from the one watch?

It's that classic adage, you can't drive to

watch a car, but you can car to watch a drive.

That made a new car sense.

You can't live in a watch.

That's the one.

But you can drive a house.

But you can race a car, a pocket watch.

Anyway, I would buy, I'd do that,

but the one on the first one I'd buy is an event store.

However, I also am accepting that I may not

be able to afford an event store.

Where would you need to be?

Probably in the world.

I don't know, maybe in Reading.

Sort of, to come to a Hollywood.

I'll tell you what a good job for you today.

What?

I'm not going to go into finances as such,

but like how--

So is your bank account.

No, no, no, but more like how well off would

you need to be?

In order to go, right, I think I can do this now.

How many more billion--

I would probably, it's a hard question to answer.

In terms of like, let's say--

I would be in a, in a, I've been a more

affording in quotations for an event store

before I did it than say you are right now

for the

merch log if that makes sense.

I would probably need to be closer.

I need to be closer.

Yeah, 'cause you wouldn't, you wouldn't put

yourself in like danger zone to do it.

Yeah, 'cause yeah, I wouldn't do,

I wouldn't do danger zone, but I would go,

you know, I'm a big risk taker then.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think that's true.

Ben the risk taker.

I think Ben would get my point and go.

But of course we're gonna buy it now.

Ben would look at a trillion pounds in his

bank account and go for, can't really spare

100,000 pounds.

Do you reckon you could get my lunch today?

I mean, what if I lose it all though?

Well actually, Will was meant to get my lunch

today, 'cause we lost a bet.

Nothing of interest though.

Nothing of interest though.

So in a few years, hopefully.

I don't know, man.

We just need to make Ben a millionaire.

Guys, how do we make Ben a millionaire?

Guys, everyone watching right now I sent me a

thousand pounds.

Listen pounds, let's ask it.

No, I will, I'll work out a way of getting one.

Okay, and Will support you.

And we'll be there.

Thanks.

We'll fix it for you.

I don't know if I want that.

No, let's do it.

What?

You don't trust us?

Will did some unplugs on us?

Here, here, here, here.

Now, this is another thing to think about

though, when you're thinking about this dream

car thing, is how old do you,

what will you care about in terms of age?

So let's say you wait 'til you're,

I don't know, let's say 50, and you're what now,

15.

Yep, 24 currently, so that'll be 26 years.

So let's go with another, 25,

26 years, and that car will be kind of old at that point.

It'll be older than I have my much longer now.

It will be what I was 24 years old.

Would it be equivalent of a Countach now or a Diablo?

Diablo, Countach, yeah.

So 40-ish years old.

Do you think that would bother you then by that point?

That could be something else I want.

That's true.

Hold on, like what?

What if the Revuelto suddenly takes my heart?

So you need to let go.

It won't.

So you need to let the dream fester a little

longer to see if it's real.

No.

You're too young in the game.

I would need to have it before then.

Will you know, will this all be told when you drive one?

Do you think that's what sealed it ill?

Yes.

Because what was the Mercilogo drive to your,

'cause we are a bit different.

We have that stuff.

Like you're a bit different.

There's diagnosis.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We were

already aware of the fact that had to happen each.

But what

did the drive do?

I need to speed this up now.

The

drive was a, yeah, it was a confirmation of,

okay.

No, I

have to go.

'Cause I know, I've heard of people who've,

there was the, the old Top Gear thing where

on the, it was

40th anniversary of Lamborghini,

where James May drove the Countach and he's

like, I've never driven a Countach.

I'm never driven a Countach,

I've always wanted to do it.

He drives it and he's like, I hated it.

Didn't like it.

It was kind of disappointing,

it was a bit messy.

I was thinking, is it gonna be like that?

So any super car I've driven has normally

been a bit more modern than that and they're,

they're kind of just good at everything.

I thought, am I gonna hate this?

And it was like the moment I sat in it.

It felt right.

That's it.

Yeah.

That is absolutely everything I'd imagined it would be.

I'm just watching it in a YouTube video,

the way it looks when you're near it,

when you sit in it, it sounds everything,

I was like, that I have to make that happen.

Yeah.

And yeah, in a way, it's probably,

might've been better if I got in it and gone,

that's just whack.

Yeah.

That's just whack.

I don't need to do that.

No, I'm just gonna stick to a clear 182,

it's great.

But yeah, that was, it is worth driving

something like that.

So maybe you might feel that.

You might not feel that.

'Cause that was the same for the Tuscan for me.

The Tuscan was something I always loved.

And I wasn't expecting it when I,

when we drove that one, I was like,

that's it.

That's perfect.

I need to own this.

The 550, was, this is really good,

but I can see where I can make this mine and

make it perfect for me.

I feel like knowing you and your reaction to

it, your reaction to the Tuscan was way more

intense than the 550.

You like, I could tell you like this,

but the Tuscan remember you saying for mobile

weeks afterwards, how much you liked how much

you thought about it.

But that's what I mean.

But whereas I know for me, the bigger thing

is turning the 550 into the car,

but I know it could be and making it that and

then going, now look, now look how good this is.

May I ask you a question?

Sure, man.

It's a deep question.

Yeah, whatever you want.

Why, like, what is it?

I don't know about an event at all.

I'm putting you on the spot.

It's really cool, man.

Is it like, is there anything specific about

that or is it just kind of the way it looks?

I became interested in cars around the time

the event still came out.

So I would have only been about 10,

but I knew nothing.

I wasn't like you guys who knew from the day

you were born about cars.

I didn't really know anything.

I still probably don't.

Will came out when?

GLT 34, so it was there.

Do you know what it was?

I played Need for Speed Most Wanted in the

2012 one and I saw it in that.

I was like, what is this thing?

And then watching car YouTube was mainly how

I got the information.

And that was a white event store.

I don't know why I always pictured it being white.

That was always the guy.

With black wheels?

Well, I wouldn't have one black wheels.

No, that's why I asked you.

That's why I asked you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

With the original like thicker spokesmen.

Yeah.

It's not the rose stones.

And yeah.

And then now wherever I think about other

cars, I can, it's the only car I look at,

I still go car.

Yes.

Every time I look, a person like that is,

well, that's the nuts nuts.

Might be a novel idea, but I think it might

be the Lamborghini that you grew up with.

I did grow up.

And I think did grow up.

It works in this, you know, in this situation.

Yeah, it's good.

And yeah, hearing one.

And even now it shows, sounds,

I don't know how it sounds, but we are

almost a little bit desensitized to super car stuff.

Yeah, we are, yeah.

But not in like an arrogant way,

just because we spent so much time filming

them and walking around looking at them.

It's still amazing to see.

But when I see, you know, a GT3RS,

I'm like, that's really, really cool.

But I have now seen a thousand of them in person.

But you always feel, so I'm still gonna

always go stop and go yo.

Yeah.

Look at that thing sitting there,

that thing.

Yeah.

But does a hurricane do anything for you?

No.

Nothing.

At all.

No, it's not something where you think I

could own that for a while and see if--

That's just a rental car to me.

Oh, there's no big billionaire bed now.

No, it is like, that's always a picture.

Ben's keeping the mask on for most of the

podcast, but then every now and then he lets

the billionaire slide out.

I mean, that's like, oh, you mean an airport car.

(laughing)

Oh, you mean like going to a shop store?

Yeah, sure.

You mean love and give you a hurricane or similar.

(laughing)

No, I pitched that as Instagram rental car.

Yeah.

Trying to flex type of thing.

When I was talking to me, it's just,

it's just the boy.

I think it's, yeah.

It might be simple, but it is,

it's 'cause it's quite noisy.

It's quite, there's nothing else that does that.

The equivalent Ferrari doesn't look like that.

No.

If you know what I mean.

F12 is, if you were more grown up,

you'd look at F12 and go, "No,

that doesn't make a lot more sense."

A grand tour, right?

It's probably more comfortable,

it's probably equally as fast,

but, and if it still looks like that.

It still looks mental as well.

I can't really describe it, the Revuelto is

probably technically more mental as I

designed, but it doesn't look more mental.

No, yeah.

I still look at that and go,

"What is this thing?"

Yeah.

Fair.

There we go.

We'll see how it goes.

And you're saying, I think you have said this

before, I pushed you on it by 40,

you're saying?

Yeah.

By 40.

By 40.

So you got--

I said that's 16 years.

I said that's the mind by 15,

16 years.

That's the mind by 30.

Okay, my god.

Any as the mind.

How about this?

What about V8 Vantage?

That's ill for us to go, yeah?

Okay, so it's no longer V12.

I would like a V12, but I also accept the

fact that, okay, it's actually kind of

similar to what you're saying.

Kind of, maybe not.

I would have to finance one,

like, quite heavily.

I don't want to do that for that car.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like an event store, I will consider that.

You do, yeah, because that's the risk.

That's the only way I'll be able to own one,

whereas a V12 Vantage, I just,

I don't know if I want to put myself in that

much depth of that.

I think you need a drive in both cars.

Agreed.

'Cause again, there'd be nothing worse than

going through the trouble of,

obviously you would, ideally you would test

drive it, obviously, you know,

if you're gonna spend all that money on a

car, you would test drive it right beforehand.

Meanwhile, the MOT that started today.

That if you drove it beforehand,

you would have some kind of confirmation.

And at least you would then put it,

you'd put it to rest and go,

you know what?

The drive I had in it, 'cause that's the

thing, you might have an experience in a V12

vintage or an eventador where you get to

drive it on an amazing road,

on an amazing day and you go,

you know what?

That was kind of all I needed.

I don't want the stress of owning it or

having to keep it somewhere and having to maintain it.

I just wanted that one experience that I can

remember of doing it and that might be enough.

But to do that, we gotta get you in one.

And we have had a million offers,

if I'm honest.

But I still believe this that you need to

drive an eventador with a spicy exhaust.

Or an SVJ.

Or an SVJ?

I have to.

Will you have to drive an SVJ?

Oh, I know, I have to.

What a tough week when I have that week.

God, I'm gonna have to drive this.

Or we'll just, you'll be away,

we'll drive it for you.

I will be upset.

When you're in the quail, just a bit of prospecting.

Oh, yeah.

But I can't until next to you anyway.

Surely Valentino Balboa is in there and you

can get him to give you something around in

the valet car park or something.

Yeah, I can work.

I can work on valet.

I can get off driving it.

But next to you, I can't until next to you anyway.

True.

Too young.

Big, too far for Ben.

Ben, you have put a question in here.

It just says,

Yeah.

Wheel question.

I'll wheel question.

Grom.

Okay.

Fake items in the world.

Yes.

Fake handbags, obviously, you're not much about that.

Oh, okay.

(laughs)

Fake designer wear, all of these different

items that are considered to be,

you know, not, not okay to own and whatever.

From the palm.

Yeah, why is it the wheels are okay?

And why is it that when it, it's like,

oh, you got a fake, relax on,

that's a fake.

Whereas when it's like a--

Do you need a like, Rory Mackay?

Fake BBS, that's sort of replica wheel.

Yeah.

When, you know, no one's going,

oh, no, it's a replica Rolex,

it's fine.

Why is that?

Why is it accessible for wheels to be fake?

They, in the community, they're not.

Like, that's there is, there are jokes around

people with replica wheels.

But yeah, there is more of like a thing of

people being like, who cares,

it's just wheels.

Because your M3 has reps, yes,

it sells on it.

And you go, you know, get the reps on the

rest of the reps.

It seems to be bigger in America with wheels to me.

America seems to be, oh, I just know,

I noticed it from that cars and coffee thing

I went to years ago.

And I was like, everything's got a,

got a ridiculous set of wheels on it.

Everything STK7s.

Whereas here it's either you have a standard

set of wheels or you have some form of copy.

Yeah, it'll be either a copy of a genuine

wheel, like the CSL wheels or CS wheels or

it's an OEM copy.

So it's not even a real version of a,

so it does seem to be a big thing here.

I don't know why that, I need to understand

why that is.

I think because a, the luxury good,

the reason that you buy that is not,

is not for the purpose, if that makes sense.

It's because it's a, it's an expensive thing.

It's a thing to show off, right?

Whereas a car wheel is because you like the design.

So you're not like, I don't think many people

are buying Rolexes because they like the

color of it.

I would know that, but why would you go for a

green Rolex over a green anything else,

if you see what I mean?

Whereas the shape of a wheel,

like I'd go out and buy new RPF ones at a

grand, but I'd also very much want T-37s at

six or seven grand.

So you're saying it's a flex thing?

Well, I think the luxury good is a flex thing.

Whereas the wheel is, look, the price is the

price, but I want the wheel.

But I think in America, it is a flex thing.

I've got T-37s on my F-80 and M3.

I don't think they probably like it that

much, but it's the wheel that everyone has

and it's expensive.

So they go for it.

It's like picking a gold.

It's a gold Rolex thing.

I probably don't care that much,

but I want people to know, and this isn't

everyone, but a lot of people that buy stuff

like that, they're like, I want people to

know that this was the expensive one,

because this is the shelliest,

loudest one that you go blind me.

That must cost a lot of money.

And wheels can be similar to that,

but also lots of rep wheels are particularly

in the UK anyway.

They don't look the same as the original.

And if you're into that stuff,

you will notice the differences in it.

It's offset, it's concave.

There's lots of details where you don't,

you would notice it if you knew,

and it's the same as a replica or anything else.

You would notice it if you were willing into

your watches and someone just got a cheap

replica or you bought a cheap replica,

someone you might know, then you would be

deeply put off by it.