Nurburgring Prep, Denza's Supercar and Cars We Agree On - C.R.E.A.M. #89

0:00 Rule or Ruin: Edwin's New Mercier Margo

I was a shepherd, but I refused to take my trousers off.

He

mouthed at me, use your brain.

Do you know what?

More

cutting than any swear word.

I do regret selling that car.

Or ruin everything around us this week.

Ben, I'm going to rock with a rule today.

Oh, okay.

My one singular car seems

to be pretty happy.

Oh, no, I'm not.

It's a ruin.

Sorry.

I was going to say it felt like it gambled together.

They sneak up on you those ruins.

Also, three seconds.

Yeah.

Three seconds and then went,

that's it.

I realized.

The stats guy went-- Oh, I was thinking beforehand.

Sure, there's a reason to ruin.

There is.

Is currently 35 degrees?

Sure.

Sure.

Whatever that is in American language.

Lots.

That's 6 billion, I think.

1990.

And my golf, which is fantastic,

has no air con.

I think I've heard you on this podcast say my

golf, which is amazing, but more than anything else.

No.

What's it giving you?

Comfort.

I thought you could say something else.

No, but there are so many downsides.

What are the positives at this stage?

It's a great car.

Okay.

There's two downsides.

Chris Harris, let's go.

Three downsides.

All right.

Three downsides.

First one being the seats could be come for you.

Oh, how long do you know?

They could be a little bit, they're quite

supportive, but they could be a bit more like

sort of ways off.

That's nice.

Okay.

'Cause I had my X5 before, it was really comfy.

Okay.

Number two.

So comfort, not great.

No comfort is good, but it could be better.

Okay.

One has to be clear here.

Perfectioner.

Number two, that's number one.

Number two is, it burns oil.

Okay, so reliability, not background.

No, it just goes through a bit of oil.

It's a running cost.

It's cool at a sunk cost.

Sure.

Okay.

And number three is it has no icon.

Now, the aircon is fixable.

That's sure.

It's all fixable.

Yeah, it depends on your budget.

I just haven't.

You haven't done that.

I haven't done that yet.

So it's been very hot.

To be fair, it's very hard to book that sort

of thing in.

Yeah.

Like you have to phone a place.

Some will actually go somewhere or even do it yourself.

Okay.

And that's like at home.

It's a tough world.

It's a crazy world, whatever.

I looked and everyone was fully booked for

the next two weeks.

Wow.

That's weird.

That makes sense.

Well, I don't actually understand this,

but something to do with the fact that they

switched over the actual gas and aircon.

Correct.

In 2013, apparently.

Because my car's 2013.

No site knows exactly.

It may be the one gas might be the other.

The difference in price is that,

and whether they have that same gas and a place depends.

So I might show up and it might go,

"We ain't got your gas, son."

The old one was black and white.

Yeah.

That's a switch to color.

Yeah, it did.

And it's DAB now.

So now all of it will just come digitally.

You don't have to have the aerials.

They'll be able to switch off.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I don't have any reason to ruin,

but I did learn yesterday that the Golf has

launch control.

Yeah.

Like legit launch control.

And how have you found that?

Because I was sat at traffic light and for

some reason I thought, "Does it have launch control?"

I just thought, "How would you use the launch control?"

So I turned traction off, put it into sport,

just mashed the accelerator and put my

thought on the brake.

And it does actually launch control.

Now, famously, I'd like you to do an

impression of a Golf for our launch control,

please.

Yes, it would be.

Can it?

Bit too will, if you could.

Very good, yes.

Very good.

How's the GTD?

It's all right.

So lower, a little bit lower.

Well, because it's obviously,

it's diesel.

Turbo.

Turbo's on the way out.

That was your clutch going, "Ah!"

I haven't actually tried it properly yet.

I just know that it can do it.

But that's not what you said earlier.

Are you sure it's not just a limiter?

You

said earlier.

No, it's launch control.

In gear.

Because it doesn't, if it was in gear,

it would try and jolt forward or you could

feel it on the brake.

But how do you know?

Because you said you haven't tried it.

control and let it sit there.

Because earlier, you said you've been racing

people from lights.

Did I say that?

Yeah, I think you did legally binding.

You told us you smoked McLaren on the way in.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, yeah.

But he pulled over and he said,

"What have you got in that thing?"

And you went to the common rail injection system.

More than you could afford power.

It is the TDI.

No, I haven't tried it properly yet.

I'm a bit scared to because I don't want to

mash my clutches.

And it feels pointless.

Clutch E on its way out.

Not again.

Old school creamers will know.

Okay, so it's a ruin because you don't have AC.

No AC and it's so hot.

And I have to run an hour and 10 minutes home.

But also, yeah, you moved recently,

which means you're commute.

You no longer have this thing to hold on to

where you're like, "I drive so far."

I see you drive quite far, but yeah.

Ben now lives at number seven.

Downings.

Just not in the main house.

Down the road.

Yeah, I couldn't quite get into the main one,

but yeah.

We can now.

Yeah.

Try and squeeze them away and couldn't I?

As always.

What about, well, you might not have one car

for that long, because there might be,

well, it's not going to be your car.

No.

It's going to be a car for you to drive.

But there is opportunity, I believe,

to potentially buy off the business after.

We drive a hard bargain.

Essentially, we're going to the Nürburgring

in two weeks.

And there's a lot of people always go,

"Nürburgring, boring."

Maybe it is to watch it a thousand times on

YouTube, but it's very fun to go.

Also, we're excited.

Stuff yourself.

had it been once.

Also, Will went once in the boring range.

That was your first time.

My first time.

Even I'd been before that.

Oh, good.

I haven't done anything correlated.

You were in the back seat of a golf,

to be fair.

It's not like you were lapping in a GTT or X.

How do you know?

Why was there?

Oh, yeah, fair.

So we're going to the Nürburgring soon,

and we're looking for a car for young

Benjamin to drive.

Build him a little, something we got

literally three or four days to buy a car and build it.

But we think we can come up with something

that might be quite fun for a little Benjamin to drive.

Well, actually, can I say something?

This is the most nervous I've been for a

video in quite a while.

Oh, sure.

I'm nervous for the, 'cause we did two

episodes, but then one episode we buy it and

one episode where we modify it and take it to the ring.

I'm quite nervous for the buying because

originally I was part of this,

but now it's sort of changed to now these guys.

Tomorrow we're going to buy something.

We're going to buy it without Ben,

so this will be interesting.

Which I'm actually, even though it's not my

car, I'm just nervous about it,

because I have to drive it so far.

Well, I've also never driven abroad before.

The highest bidder currently on something.

Now, I can say it because it will be done by

the time this podcast comes out.

We're the highest bidder.

I'm not going to show you a photo,

but please feel free to search it up.

The highest bidder currently on the C.A.B.

Flipper.

Now, just go ahead and search it yourself.

I don't want to say we're following in the footsteps.

I don't want to say we're standing on the

shoulders of giants, but when they talk about

the second coming, it really is.

The C.A.B.

Flipper.

We might have lost it.

We might have won it.

I hope we'll find out too.

That's how I'm driving.

Ben.

That would be tough.

I'm nervous for that.

And the second episode I'm nervous for,

because I originally thought the plan was

that we're not going to do a road trip or

anything, but I think we might have thought a

bit of it.

We're driving from England to Germany,

so most would call that a road trip.

You said like we're not going to film the

whole road trip, and it's like a massive

episode of that.

No, no.

But there is a bit at the end where we think

we'll try and do a little lap of Nurburgring

as nice ending to the video.

Little Benjamin's first lap.

Which I thought would be the boys in the car,

and I'll be there and you'll be,

and you'll be, but then you said to me,

my alarm's going off.

Tell everyone what the alarm's for.

No.

What's the alarm for?

I haven't got any food for dinner.

So I have to buy dinner on the way home.

I was going to forget to buy dinner and I'll

get home and what, how many?

It said all that.

It said buy dinner.

Okay.

I'll sort of give it a context.

I'm nervous for that a lot, because now I've

been told that potentially we're going to go

as a, not like racing at all,

but like just a nice general lap,

three of us, potentially in our cars.

I said it could be an option,

because I, being a passenger in a track car,

really, I know you're not going to be driving

in like a track car.

No.

But it's not enjoyable.

Being a passenger is not great.

It's not fun.

But you know what, we'll do it.

The three of us will go out and then we'll do

some laps afterwards in separate cars.

Like Le Mans 66.

I feel...

But the end.

Because it's not, I'm not scared of,

I'm not that scared of necessarily my ability

in terms of I'm not going to go...

Of course you're not.

No, I'm not going to go that fast,

because I'm just going to go gentle with it.

But I'm scared of other cars.

Of course.

Seven minutes.

Yeah.

I'm not going for a six, maybe a seven,

yeah.

I hate that.

Yeah, I don't know.

I feel really quite nervous for,

I don't know what it's really getting to me.

So we'll see.

We'll see if Ben's alive in the next episode.

Tomorrow's the day, we will find a car.

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So expect there to be great traffic.

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We're seeing a spike in that.

We've got some options.

Obviously we've been looking at some TTs.

Ben knows about those TT mark ones.

Obviously TTs, we looked at them.

It's a little bit like the golf scene.

I mentioned this last week, but where some

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And that's where Car Vertical,

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William, I was going to say Rowan.

Okay, okay.

Because I've got reasons to Rowan.

You have, there are many reasons to Rowan.

But we'll start off with a rule.

Because I think it's an overall rule.

Because on Friday, I will pick up the Mercier Margo.

So my first drive in the Mercier Margo will

be a commute to here.

That's nice.

Which will be interesting.

That'll be the first time that the longest

journey that Car has done in about six years.

But that car now is taxed.

It is MOT.

Can't remember if it was MOT last time we did a podcast.

I think it had just been MOT.

But yeah, so it does have an MOT now.

And it's ready to go, basically.

It's ready to drive.

I think a SBR have fixed a bunch of small issues.

I'm very, very happy about the ham.

The ham.

That reminds us of our preamble.

What is the best type of pork?

Can we

class like a pancetta or like a guanciale?

Of course, of

course.

Is a guanciale.

They

have been some issues that have popped up

that are unsavory.

They're not like day-enders,

but they're sort of looming in the distance.

So there's a couple of things.

It'll be in the YouTube video coming up.

Basically, there's a sensor on that car that

needs to be replaced.

The guys at SBR have spent coming up for

three days trying to remove the sensor.

And the sensor, that's fine.

Like if it stops working, the car can run,

right?

Yeah, no, just if it fails, the sensor.

Worst best case, you just get an engine light.

Right.

Right.

Maybe some slightly dodgy running here and there.

Worst case, the car just won't ever start.

So if I ever get to that point where that

sensor causes an issue, where it doesn't

start, the engine needs to come out.

So they can't remove the sensor.

It's seized in the bell housing,

which is very hard to get to,

because obviously the gearbox is basically

bang in the middle of the car where you can't get.

And to get access to that, you need the

engine out and to get the engine out is

about, I think book times 40 hours.

It's like three to four days in and out.

It can be.

Obviously people have worked there.

I have to do it sooner.

I knew that I would need that job eventually,

just not quite yet.

So I'm going to pick it up Friday,

see how it goes, live with an engine.

engine light for a while.

That's fine.

It seems to be relatively intermittent,

but if it picks up, then, oh,

but there will be a video hopefully on that

car somewhat soon where we went to SBR,

had a look around it.

Oh, so did I talk about my key L?

I don't think we did.

No, I don't think we did.

We had a key L.

So got the car, I won't say who was involved.

People were involved and it wasn't related to

me or SBR by any means.

Had the car taken to SBR, car got there,

didn't have the key there, despite the key

being there, about an hour prior.

So the key went missing, turned out the key

was about five minutes down the road here,

smashed pieces, run over.

So it had been dropped on the floor and the

fob for the original alarm system had been

smashed a bit, which meant that the car was

bricked, like bricked up.

So it wouldn't start dead.

So Stuart had to do some wiring that day to

basically delete the immobilizer,

so that's gone.

What else?

So that should really all be a ruin.

And then I have another, I have a Mégane L

ruin, but I'll get onto it.

to that a little bit later on,

we will get this annoying.

And I actually, the L got heavier.

Just moments before the podcast started.

I came over the crest of the L and was seeing

the next hill, which was a W.

Yeah.

And then

13:13 Nürburgring Preparation and Car Purchase Plans

I fell into a hole.

Pot hole.

Just fell in this like, this booby trap that

was full of Ls.

Out of nowhere.

Yeah, it was an L-shaped booby trap when they

went, so I need to fix that to prep for another ring.

But yeah, I rule over all just because yeah,

mercy on it's gonna be cool.

Trying to work out, I've been trying to work,

I'm 50/50.

You know what, I'm gonna say it's a rule

because in the same breath, same prep for the

Nurburgring behind me, we have the E46M3.

I think we might have talked about it last

week that it came back from bodywork and the

paint is the wrong color and is very upsetting.

But I have now spent the weekend on it

getting a load of stuff done.

So I've done a, it's called a black tag rack.

So it means the steering rack's much quicker

that a CSF oil cooler, because it starts to

get a little bit hot sometimes and a load of

other bits and bobs that more than that.

I asked EBC for some breaks and they very

kind of sent them out and I gave them to

Chris at Imagination Creations.

He painted them cream and I got our new cream

logo, which you'll see on the merch in the future.

I got that put on the calipers.

It looks so cool.

We'll put a photo on screen.

It's, I genuinely the most, most happy with a

mod I've ever been in my life.

So the front ones are on at the moment.

After the podcast is done, I'm going to do

the rears because I've got matching rears.

I love it.

I love also green and cream.

It works.

It really works nicely.

So still lots more to do on the E46.

So that's my rule part.

My ruin is that at the beginning of last

week, I realized I do not have a car.

I have, I have many countless cars and none

of them work.

None of them.

So I thought I'll get my silver E36 going.

I'll take it for an MOT.

That car was pretty nice.

I looked at the advisories from the previous

MOT, rear tires, front pads,

did them both, took it to and they went,

brake lines, they're shit.

They are a second strikes back.

And this was a, this was not a,

a an MOT tester that was supposed to be,

you know, a hard arse.

It was supposedly, an MOT said a lot,

but lots of people we know have taken their

cars to and be like, yeah, finally,

they're okay with old cars.

And they said, no, rear brake lines are terrible.

I started replacing them just fine.

Just completely fine rear brake lines.

So I've been working on that for two,

three days now, finished it last night at

about 10 o'clock.

Pushed the brake pedal.

Everything fine, no leaks.

Went to bleed it.

And now nothing came out.

That's weird.

I kept on doing the brake nipple.

Nothing came out.

Yeah, because the soft lines that were fine

up until working on the brake lines,

they'd both collapsed.

Did one side until, that's annoying.

I'll get order of brake line three days out and delivery.

I'll just bleed the other side.

No, that one had collapsed too.

So there has been any 36 stuck on jack stands

for maybe a week and a half,

two weeks now.

I feel like a credit.

just have all my cars here broken in

different states of affair.

But overall a rule, because I got cream

branded E46 M3 brakes.

Which is cool.

That's cool.

If the green E46 wasn't obviously Edwin's car

anymore, now you'll know.

Now you'll know when you see the cream

calipers coming at you.

The creammobile heading into the side of a

barrier at 120 miles an hour.

So what's that?

Two rules?

That's three rules.

No, Ben changed to ruin.

Sorry, man.

Two rules are ruined.

Everything.

Also, I forgot, actually, there are now

martial auger t-shirts.

They're on the iconbox.com shop.

And then after that, you

have to find your own way.

But they're very cool.

There's

some martial auger t-shirts with my actual car on.

They say generational debt on them,

which is exactly what I've introduced to my bloodline.

What should we start with?

Let's

start.

You know what, Ben, I want to,

because I'm intrigued to know what this is.

Yeah, man.

You've put in here, Ben.

I actually want to say the first two things

you have put in here, I think you did it

after maybe eight biz.

But anyway, this one just says,

Ben right L.

Right as in, what's that mean?

Ben, right.

No, that's for me to write the L to you from last week.

Okay, so, and if you've done that.

I haven't had time yet.

You haven't had time.

Meanwhile, you're sitting on your phone,

you know, first 20 minutes as a podcast.

20 minutes to write with that quill.

Are you joking?

Okay, quill.

So you're going to write me an L.

But for the next week now, Poss will be my

name, Tim Dutton.

How about this?

Next few podcasts, W.A.M.

Well, just below that, we have what says

here, a potential bet alteration,

which so must involve an L.

This came from a commenter, and I don't know

who you are.

I don't know where you commented,

but, but.

Right, Liam Meeson.

But I'm finding you.

So our bet about me saying the S2000 was that

I would have saw it by Summer Solstice.

Happy Summer Solstice, guys.

Yesterday.

Yesterday was Summer Solstice.

Sunday, Sunday.

Sunday.

So that's now been in gone.

Now, on the next bet was that I will not buy

another car, you think, before next year.

Now, originally, you suggested Christmas.

Right.

Here we go.

This is interesting.

Sorry.

Now you.

Strings.

I thought you thought you said Christmas.

I said by the end of the year,

and you came back to me and said,

Christmas.

Oh, sorry.

Well, I want to change it again.

Oh, no, actually.

You could be right.

I want to change it again.

You could be right.

Anyway.

Well, because I tell you there's extra days

to buy a car.

Yeah, extra days.

There's work out that way.

So I want to change it.

in a negative way, but I'll do it to the meme.

Okay.

Winter Solstice.

Why?

Why?

December 21st.

Now, why do you want that?

Because we've done the summer solstice.

Okay.

So now we should do winter solstice.

If we're going to make that,

we should do it a lot.

Okay, so once again, once again,

once again back.

So Will, I will shake your hand on winter

solstice December 21st.

You don't?

Well, I mean, either of them work.

I mean, the birth of David Jesus and also

having, you know, winter solstice,

they work around about the December 20th.

What happens on the winter solstice?

The shortest day.

Was it?

Yeah.

Maybe the longest day for you,

buddy.

Shortest day.

Okay, so you're going to buy a car.

You claim you're all buying.

Before the winter solstice on December 21st.

So before the sun falls in the lowest of the day.

Probably about 3.58 p.m.

You have approved me an extra four days on your bed.

No, nine days or ten days.

Yeah, but I'll do it for the meme.

How?

Great.

Thanks.

You're so generous.

Well, I'm actually, yeah.

We need to know what other medieval calendar

events we can do.

If we can have some sort of pagan festival or

any other, like I'm talking medieval.

Day of the day of the dead.

I want, yeah, that's when we'll start making

bets and they will be, they will be deadlines

and they must be met.

What would you call it?

Medieval National Holidays?

I would like, I would like days go.

I want a church, a church glass window made

of one of the bets.

A stained glass window.

A stained glass window, a Ben holding an L.

Oh, that's fantastic.

You know what, if cream ever does well enough

and we can start spending silly money on that

sort of stuff, you know, after we've paid

Ben's exhausted fee, and we have any money

left over, we'll do stuff like that.

We'll get a stained glass window in the cream

unit and come Christmas.

Oh, all right.

Sleep to yourself.

Perhaps we can get a little nativity set.

Oh, you know, we tried last year,

but you'll never see it.

We actually had the nativity set at the

background, you know, live animals,

Santa was here, all sorts.

Do you know what, a live nativity set,

I do like the idea of if we can,

but we actually do it in one of the stables

out there with a horse.

Donkey?

We, you know, we'd have to do this.

Oh, we should have gone for the Feast of Falls.

Ben, we did late December.

Ben, what did you play in your nativity,

T.C.?

I played star.

Of course you did.

I fell over.

Well, I played, I was a

shepherd, but I refused to take my trousers off.

Why would

you have to do that?

Because I've told me I had to take my trousers off.

I said, I'm not doing that.

So I was the only shepherd in my plate.

I was the only shepherd in my plate who,

well, because shepherds, back then,

you know, back in the day, weren't wearing trousers.

They didn't wear gray school trousers.

Yeah, but it's not meant to be that accurate.

I was a star.

Well, I said, when I think about this story,

I think, was I, was I done over here?

Should I tell the police?

About a teacher saying, take trousers off,

take them off.

I mean, I don't really want to take my trousers off.

I was actually co-host.

I wore it as my uniform.

Co, no, there were two no stars.

There were two no stars.

Now, I may say famously not possible.

Me and my mate, Sam, is enough star and

there's another one.

As in Sam and the Integra.

Yeah, of course.

Me and him were the stars, were the co-stars.

I played star one or two, and he played the other one.

How do you follow two stars?

Yeah.

We'll get

complicated.

Surely, one's moving at all time.

Well, I think you were one very small star.

But it worked because I fell over so that he could go.

So, yeah, once you go on.

Three wise men went, do we need to follow?

Where's that?

Where's he gone?

Oh, that one's there still.

So, we'll follow in.

That's star Justin Plaggard.

Fantastic.

Yeah.

Another end of a civilization.

When you think of the activity scene,

famous animals, you think of...

Donkey.

Cow, I was cow.

You're a cow?

What?

Cows were in the activity.

Which half of the cow were you?

I was the only cow.

How can we...

Well, whoa.

I had a mouse.

Cow famously two people.

No, I was just a boss.

No, I think you were a cow.

You were a cow on two feet.

Yeah, no, just standing there.

Look, cuz shepherds.

And then when they started singing,

I was belting that out.

And then also, halfway through,

got bored, left.

Yeah.

But the shepherds not have cows.

It's a question for them.

What is it sheep they have?

You know what?

I think shepherds.

Something to ask the owners of tractors.

Well, only at night.

Exactly.

Farmers.

Sorry if this is your first podcast and

you're here to listen about cars.

We'll move on to that now.

On the subject of L's, I got...

This is an L related to what I was just talking about.

And I think this might...

We haven't talked about official L's in a little while.

Apart from Ben's one, but it's obvious.

But official L's throughout the year just

related to little things.

Yeah.

And I'm willing to claim one for myself

related to my began wheels.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait.

Official L.

Yes.

This is like an L to be spoken about,

not handwritten.

That has to do between us.

Then it's not a official L.

I'm putting it towards there.

Because where's that?

We have a list of L's.

Yeah, exactly.

You can't refer to it though as official L.

Please, you can't refer to it as that.

That's a separate thing.

I'm putting it towards the forum.

I'm not that forum.

Our forum.

The forum of conversation.

A conversation.

Sure.

Confirmed L.

L.

Thank you.

Confirmed.

Well, not yet.

Because we all need to confirm it anyway.

Now we're past the laws of the L.

Hold on.

Sorry if you're listening and you're hearing

sound

effects.

First Ben was kicking an empty Red Bull can.

Now he is pulling the wires that are to do

with our podcast set.

It keeps getting core.

How about this?

Stop moving.

Are you quite done?

I'm done now.

Good.

I'm quite happy.

Please start your story again.

Ben, the benevolent salesman,

sold me some wheels.

I did.

For a good price.

And I'm John.

I will absolve you of this.

You haven't done any wrong.

You're just an idiot.

It's fine.

You haven't done any wrong on this.

Go on this camp.

I bought your Enki RPF ones,

which are a five by one 14, which is like a

JDM Japanese car fitment many.

But somehow my McGahn is also

24:17 Wheels Fitment Fiasco on Will's Megane

that McGahn's are also a five by one 14,

which is very strange.

But it means you can fit some quite interesting wheels.

The original wheels on my car were an 18 inch.

The Alfa market ones anyway were 18 inches.

They fit very nicely.

In fact, they fit perfectly.

In fact, I should never have sold them.

It turns out, who sold them?

Yes, I've sold them.

I sold them to John at Conrad,

which means I can't now go back because he

turned up when I met him to give him my new

wheels with my wheels on his car,

now powder coated silver.

But that deal is officially done.

And I bought these 17 by nine.

So like width wise, they were good.

Offset them on that extreme 17 inch wheels.

And I'd seen record of one man on the

internet and I had fitted these.

I'd never seen a picture of them on the car,

but he said he had them fitted.

And I will, I will allow myself some blame here.

Because when Ben said I need to sell those

wheels, I said, Will, you could put them on them again.

And I went online and I found this man and

said, look, there's a man that's done it and

sent me the link.

And so Will was like, cool, that must fit.

I love what happened.

It simply doesn't fit.

I gave them to John at the weekend.

Offset, I didn't just buy them.

I then had them powder coated and then bought

brand spanking new AR ones to fit for them.

I got far too ahead on myself on it before

even even testing them.

So gave them to John and he tried to fit them

and said, yeah, we'd have to show down your

calipers, your caliper bolts and many other

things to get these to fit.

They're also peristly close to a control arm

and the offset is insane.

We will need to add probably at least a 16 mil spacer.

Basically, on the hub of the Mégane,

they have like a 16 mil lip,

but the spacer you need on the front is quite big.

But if I add a 16 mil spacer to that car,

my God, I would need a ridiculous amount of

cam, but it's just never going to work.

So I'm going to have to sell those wheels,

either wheels and tires separately or together,

whatever.

And then just by fortune, on eBay,

searched up some wheels and I found some advantages.

Cool wheels.

Way more expensive than the Enkeys,

but they'd recently been refurbished in quite.

I thought this is meant to be.

I'm going to buy those wheels,

agreed to buy the wheels, bought tires.

Again, don't know why I'm doing this before

I've actually got the wheels,

but I have bought tires.

And then just before this podcast,

literally two minutes before we hit record,

the message being said, Oh, mate,

the wheels aren't for sale anymore.

I've tried to fit them to my,

I've tried to fit my new wheels to the car

and they don't fit over the brakes.

Yeah.

It's like that is it.

So I'm now without wheels and we go to the no

buggering in about nine days.

I have no wheels to fit to the car car.

Your two sets of tires deep,

one refurb and two sets of wheels deep and

still without set wheels.

That's tied by a shim for the other one.

The man who has fit them, he says it on

Facebook, he put a comment saying,

when he sold them saying, "Make just need a

13 mil space for them to make them fit."

It would be sketchy to do that on the again

and it's going to the rings that I want to do that.

So I'm now on the hub for wheels and I'm very

upset because there aren't no wheels.

Also, when does this podcast come out?

Just before we go?

This podcast will come out.

It's really the day we go.

Cool.

So if you have any wheels, you can't do anything.

Thanks for listening.

Thanks guys.

Hopefully I will fix this.

Hopefully I'll find something.

But it does, it's exciting because it means I

can find some cool wheels.

But the Ad Vandal had my heart set on them.

Because they were white already,

they were already refurbished.

needed was tied as they were in our big stream.

Off-site wise, anyway.

But they would have looked so cool.

I haven't seen someone else want to do those

on them again.

And I don't want to go like Team Dynamics or

something normal.

I want something not necessarily no one's

ever done, but something a little bit different.

This is kind of a forum question.

But this sort of stuff is why I know wheels

scare people a lot.

Because they go, I don't know if this will fit.

And it's also why people have bad fitment a

lot of the time.

Because either they just guess or they go

really safe with it.

Because they're like, I don't want to get too

far out to be able that much.

But there are, especially if you're going for

something that people haven't really done

before, you'll run into it.

You have to deal with- You are the test dummy.

The fact that it might not work.

And also, if you find wheels that are cool

that seem to fit, but no one's done it

before, usually a reason.

But we saw that one guy that did it and were

like, there it is.

The exact fitment, everything there.

Cool, it works.

To curse you, man.

Basically, they could fit, but you would have to go.

If you were a stance car, it was a certain

car you'd get away with it, but I'm not about that.

I'm not about trimming my brake caliper down

and running mad camber just to fit the wheel.

I'd rather the car drive correctly on a

different set of wheels.

But there's a balance here.

I gotta find a cool wheel.

I must find a cool wheel.

So I have a week to do it.

I like what happened.

What the hell?

Sorry?

I got my wheels sold.

You're horrible.

I didn't even think this was too grand for them.

Not sure.

Think about your friend at all in this situation.

You said they would fit.

I sold them to you for a very capacitive rate.

No, but you just said you're glad about what happened.

Well, yeah, I got sold.

So you don't care that I don't know.

Yeah, please remember.

Just remember what we're doing tomorrow.

I also care because I was looking forward to

parts of the S2000 living on within TEC.

Oh, yeah, sure.

No, I'm not.

Yeah.

Okay.

Remember that?

I'll buy them back off you.

When the money hit the account,

will you?

The lesson

you paid me.

I'll short my wheels.

Oh, it's about 18 underfoot

then.

Yeah.

Right.

What we got next?

But is that an L?

I'd say I confirmed L for short.

Sure.

Sure.

It feels like an L.

Yeah.

has to be an L.

Yeah, big sun.

When it starts to really feel like an L.

Only your heart knows.

As J House said, if it feels like a lot,

if it smells like a lot, it must be.

It must be an L.

It truly must be.

And Ben should know, takes one to know one.

True.

True, true, true.

Ben, you've put in here as part of your late

evening beer drinking.

I wasn't adding to that.

I'm adding things into the green podcast chat.

Single flying.

Yeah.

What does that mean?

What does that mean?

I've been staring at this for a long time.

for a week.

Just wondering.

I did not know about the

30:04 High-Speed Hyundai Insta Encounter

podcast.

I was on the M4.

No.

And I was going 70 miles now.

Of course.

As I do.

Understandable.

Believable.

Bracket's true.

And a, you know, the Hyundai Insta?

Yeah, the really small thing.

Little guy.

One of those flew past me at Mac piss.

Now, gauge me a speed.

I am not joking.

I reckon at least 100.

Like sketchy speed.

So on a top speed run.

Yeah.

I was, I was baffled, like actually baffled.

Did you rock your car?

No, cause I think cause, so I was in my left

hand laying, cause I was just sitting on a round.

So I was just sitting on my left hand laying and.

Lane hogging.

Wow.

It's literally how the road works.

Now Ben, the top speed of Hyundai Insta 93 miles.

So he must, they, he or she,

sorry, must have been on a VMAX.

It's also top NL.

They'll be downhill.

France.

Yeah, I think possibly.

Yeah.

Cause I may be that like, you know,

Hey, listen, it was near Swindon,

Manifactors have been known to sort of,

you know, sandbag on the old number.

It's true.

It's true.

But it was, I mean, maybe it wasn't a

hundred, but it was, it flew past me.

Could be a case of like, you know,

if they, if it actually goes over a hundred,

they'd have to put different tires on it and

then it was cheaper to put.

Oh, interesting.

These tires on.

So we'll cap it at 93.

When in actual fact, it can do 195 miles an hour.

Or we're getting into that thing in the early

2000s where all of the German manufacturers

said 155 mile an hour.

But you could get a delimiter on it.

So all of the, you know, the electric cars

coming out, they all say it's 93,

94.

Let's keep it safe, boys.

You take off the limiter off the Insta and

you're doing 160.

It was a hundred percent going minimum.

It tops a bit.

A hundred percent.

Well, I would say back some of it stops a bit.

Well, it might have been going more,

but it was a minimum line.

It was at least 90.

If you're the person in the Insta,

absolutely sending it.

Please, please, please do let us know what

your VMAX, if we could get a draggy time on

that, if we could get a VMAX.

They knew they were going quick,

because I was in my left hand lane,

and there was no one else around,

and they were in the far right lane.

Oh, so they were in the auto bond spec.

They obviously knew I wanted to pull out on

me, and I

saw Steve run.

I was in shock.

Now, no footage on the dash cam.

Why not?

Why don't you get your phone now?

Would you have a dash cam then?

Would I have a dash cam?

Ben feels like a dash cam.

I feel it.

I would have a dash cam.

But for me, it would be more 'cause for funny things.

Interesting.

I had yesterday, I was driving somewhere,

and I got thrown about, and an entire coach

pulled out on me.

And he pulled out not part of a coach.

He pulled out into the middle of the roundabout.

Just the driver's cam.

And I honked, because I was like,

"Hey, man, let's give way to the right."

How long did you honk for?

Not that long.

But because he

was just pulling out, he was just in front of

me, and he mouved

at me, "Use your brain."

More cutting than any swear word.

I was like, "Did you question yourself for a minute?"

For a second, I was like, "Is it give way to the left?"

No, it isn't.

It's my right of way.

And I was like, "Okay."

It was so baffling that I didn't even get annoyed.

I just went, "What is going on?"

What hand motion did he use?

Did he tap the head?

He tap his head.

Oh, that's tough.

I had no hair.

Did you hear the sound effect?

I didn't know what he said.

So at first, I genuinely thought he was

pointing out the fact he had no hair.

I said, "Why would he be saying that?"

He goes, "I'm bald."

Come on, mate, use your brain.

I'm bald.

But he might have to use your brain.

I was like, "What if I done wrong here?"

I did nothing wrong.

He could be like an East End gangster,

and use your noggin sign.

The best part is that he started pulling out

as I was coming around about.

He definitely saw me.

But then as I honked, he then slowed down to

then do that.

So he blocked me even more, and then he drove

off angrily.

But I was like, "What is going on?"

So yeah, a dash cam flat would have been fun.

That would be lovely.

You'd have one of those dash cams that faces in.

Yeah.

Which, you know what?

I see a lot of people on the Instagram and

America do make the content out of it when

capturing their reaction to it.

I would like that.

I'd like a live stream of any time you're

driving that I could just tune into and watch it.

So by the time I get home, I can watch you

finish your journey.

It would be me seeing purpose.

Purpose, as if you have a crash,

it eliminates like you can see what happened.

So just lie.

That's the issue people would lie.

He was doing 200 miles an hour when he hit me.

No, but I mean, inside that one,

it faces you.

Oh, the one facing you?

Just go look at the way you react.

Well, like taxi drivers.

I cried after we crashed.

Yeah, I don't know what the purpose of having

the interior.

Well, I assume, like, obviously it'd be

useful if someone was on their phone,

but I mean, that's in their car.

They're just incriminating themselves.

But taxi drivers, they shouldn't incriminate

themselves 'cause they should,

but it just feels silly.

Tax drivers always have one,

but I assume it's because it's in case you

have Google and people.

Answer.

Here we go.

As always.

For the purpose of the interior dash cam.

The purpose of an interior dash cam is to

record the inside of your vehicle.

So I think we put this to bed.

I think we can move on.

Google top workers always thank you.

Can you elaborate?

Can you elaborate?

It says it provides, this is a new paragraph

for the way 'cause it thought we might be

happy with that.

It provides a vital layer of security acting

as evidence in the event of an accident,

passenger disputes or break-ins.

For break-ins, I can kind of understand.

Oh, break-ins?

That makes sense.

You know, that's fair.

Or like carjackings.

Sure, notorious in the UK.

Also, what are those?

Car burglaries.

But for both of those things,

it requires someone to then,

after it's happened within like a minute,

press the stop button.

So the carjack have to happen,

they drive off with your car and they have to

go, "Oh, and then press the off button,

take the SD card out."

I'll save that for you.

I'll bring that back to you.

You can do it on your phone as well.

But you shouldn't be on your phone while driving.

No, we've been carjacked, so famously you

have no car now.

So if you're driving, you're not the victim

of a carjacking.

If I get carjacked, I'm not gonna lie in the road.

You are the carjacked, you're gonna be

whatever the brand is, and then press stop recording.

Yeah, cool the police, but hold on first,

there you go.

Always loads, takes a while to load.

Crap in on that one, you don't wanna start

there in there, perfect.

It always baffles me when I see those dash

cameras and it's just facing inside and I'm

like, "Why have you got that?"

By people who have CCV in their house.

In your bedroom, not a fan.

That's a weird one.

What are we doing here, by the way?

It's got cartoon vibes.

What else do we have on this little list of stuff?

Another bold sentence to be writing here.

I'm gonna read it in its entirety.

Edwin put in here, I3 all up in my shit.

I really like the BMW i3.

It is an electric car and we have famously

said we don't particularly like electric cars

36:49 BMW i3 and Electric Car Thoughts

and I'm not trying to backpedal and I know

that there's a lot of people who claim us to

be BMW carballs who just love BMW.

I just really like that design.

I keep the more and more when it was first released.

I said it on the podcast.

I like design, never else, didn't like it.

And then I've liked it more and more.

And then I've found out, I sent a message to

BMW and said, "When's the individual spec

coming out on these?"

And they said, "In 2027, there will be,

beginning of, you'd be able to have an

individual color, meaning they have an oxford green one."

And because of various business things,

we'll maybe talk about it in the future

podcast, you can purchase through businesses,

electric cars and write part that offer on

the business, so you don't actually have to

pay it from out your pocket,

if that makes sense.

So, I've kind of looked at it as I've had so

many car breakages in the last month or two,

that I've been looking at newer cars and more

reliable cars.

I kind of like the idea of it.

I'm happy to--

To preface, though, you would still have the bad cars.

Oh, God, yeah.

You were just, this is just the one to get to work.

I still think, I understand the way people

think, 'cause I think it, I'm starting to

think it less.

I'm just having a tool that is there for traveling.

You literally, that is entirely useful.

When I think, I say the Alfa,

I love it a bit, and it doesn't cost me a lot

of money and whatever else, but having

something that hopefully still doesn't cost

you a lot of money, obviously,

of course, you're a lot more than 600 quid,

but it's quiet, it's reliable,

it does all the modern stuff and you can

listen to your music and you can have Mav and

all that stuff and it has a heat seat,

has adaptive cruise control,

is quite nice.

You don't always have to be,

my commute is incredibly boring,

like incredibly numb.

and I do not need a super exciting car just

to commute in all the time, but I can

understand why someone would have an electric

car for that.

I could never have an electric car that

replaces the muscular or the Mégane or

something like that and which is why I don't

quite understand the fun electric cars.

I don't have one of those Ionic 5N's,

I thought it was incredibly fun,

but I thought there isn't an equivalent

petrol car, especially at that price that I

wouldn't have instead, really.

Ionic over the petrol car or whatever it is,

but over like a diesel or something like

that, like a numb diesel or something

automatic, it does make a little sense,

actually.

And we spoke about this in the run of five of

you that we did, to be fair,

where I said, I don't understand it and I

really hate the fact that you have to go out

and you have to charge all the time.

But if you own an electric car,

you will have a charger at home.

And that is the one upside you will never get

from a petrol car.

You cannot fill up your car at home.

Unless you're a petrol car.

Unless you are a petrol station.

But you use the correct terms there,

which is that it's a tool.

Thanks.

No, thanks, thanks, Dad.

But the new M3, the

electric M3, I like the way it looks.

But I cannot

understand why anyone would want it.

Because in terms of

feel, that's going to be the same as an i3.

I know it's going to be quicker and it's

going to have motors on all the wheels and cool.

But there's no feeling there's no vibe difference.

Let's use the Gen Z word between that and

like an i3.

Whereas if it's just a tool to go back and

forth, and I just like how it looks,

I think they're really cool.

I like this new shape.

So yeah, I have I have inquired with BMW and

say, yo, could I is that how much is

sometimes their individual things are mega money?

And then that's not worth it.

If it's on a cool lease deal that's mega

cheap, hey, man, I'd consider it.

The thing I do a keep coming down to is if

you have fun car as well, one fun car or a

few fun cars, whatever it is,

some project cars, track cars,

stuff using the weekend, that your daily or

whatever you use most of the time,

it doesn't need to do that thing.

And why put yourself through the pain of of

having to deal with that, that car possibly breaking.

You need to modify it.

That doesn't mean you can't modify some of these cars.

You can still do that with wheels and whatever else.

The other reason, like up until we said it in

the Renault as well, up until now,

I've never even looked twice at electric cars

other than the Honda E when that came out.

That was really cool.

I

love the look of it so much that I asked to

have to trial

on as a press car is that any time I left the

house, I

could not make it home.

I would drive 50 miles and my 110

mile range would turn into 70 and I have to

charge on my home.

Supposedly, this has 560 miles of range.

I don't even when I go up to see my mate in

Liverpool, that's about the farthest I do.

That's 200.

make it there and back on a charge.

Even in the dead of winter, that should in

theory keep to there.

That's cool to me now.

Now that's fine.

If it means I only have to charge at home at

night, I'm fine with that.

Again, that is where that's the point I was

trying to get across in the Renault 5 thing we had.

The Renault 5 didn't have much range.

I think it was 200 miles.

But again, you have to remember you're

filling it up basically every day or you can

fill it up basically every day.

So you're not not like a so the Alfa probably

get me five or 600 miles on a full tank.

And I'm probably only filling it up maybe

three or four times a month really,

maybe a little bit more depending on

42:05 Denza's Supercar at Goodwood Festival of Speed

how much driving we're doing.

But I have to then fill up a full tank every

single time I have to go to a petrol station

and do that.

Whereas I can understand why you having a two

or 300 mile range and then you just getting

an extra 100 to 200 miles, you're basically

never having to fill it up while you're out

and about unless you have to go and do a long trip.

So for a car like my commute is I don't know

60 or 70 miles a day.

Yeah, so I've doctors yourself.

So I'm 60 or 70 miles from there.

precise location, spotting the map right now going there.

So the crow flies though, isn't it?

Of course, could be different.

It's entirely possible unless you have to go

and do a long trip.

You may never have to go and use a fast charger.

In which case, it costs you almost nothing to

run that car.

The downside being is that you are driving a

completely numb washing machine appliance,

but it's also quite nice to have that.

And then when you get in your exciting car at

the weekend, or you do take your exciting car

to work one week, it builds even more exciting.

So I just looked at our up, the charge

supposedly overnight, this may be wrong,

EV owners in the comments, please feel free to correct.

This is just an AI, but a full charge of

something like that overnight will cost you

about three to four pounds for a full charge.

Now that's, that's, have to have three,

four hundred miles of range overnight.

Surely that's on some sort of like special tariff.

That's on, that is on an EV tariff.

That's 'cause you're charging overnight.

Over night, in the correct slots.

Because electricity is cheaper overnight.

Correct, thank you.

Because it's cheaper to make overnight.

The hamsters work better, more efficiently at night.

They do, they do.

The lights make them a weird.

Yeah, they don't like it.

So you know what, maybe you see EVs in,

in Crete, not in the future,

not in TDC future either.

This is literally a tool to go places.

You can tell that Denzer have got to you guys.

Speaking of,

Speak of the devil.

Speak of the Denver.

We received a, an email recently.

And I'm not gonna say it's personalized,

absolutely one.

We'd love to say that our Denzer mentions

have meant that Great Denzer,

the Great Craig has reached out.

Denzer is, James Bond.

You're going to Goodwood.

But Denzer, we found out are owned by the Big

Bad Boss BYD, which stands for Ben.

Build your Denim.

Build your Denzer.

Build your Denzer.

Oh, that was right in front of me.

Are you in front of me, Denzer,

will you?

I'll bring you Denzer.

So they own Denzer, Denzer are not in the UK

yet, but they are launching it in the UK.

Not sponsored.

About three months ago, we believe,

but it has been launched.

No, it's coming any moment.

It's first half of 2016.

Which we're in the second half now.

We are.

Are we coming up in 2016?

We are in the second half.

You know, Q3, 2026.

Good things come to those who wait.

That's not what BYD stands for.

But basically, obviously, lots of these

companies are doing lots of marketing and

reaching

out to influencers, which they must have

missed the mark.

So there's a bit of a blanket invite out to many people.

We happen to be on the end of it,

but when they mentioned Denzer,

our ears record.

up, and then we found out that Denzer are

launching a Speedy Gonzalez.

Yeah, that's good one.

So supposedly, there is going to be a Denzer

super car, super car, no less,

at Goodwood Festival Suite.

It is going to have 1582 brake horsepower.

That's for the electric still.

Yes, and 217 miles an hour.

It is supposed to be a rival towards the

Maserati Grand Cabrio type thing,

and it looks a lot like the Grand Cabrio.

That's what I thought when I first saw it.

You know what?

It's not bad looking.

I quite like it.

There's a real shock.

So hang on, I've got four doors.

Is it?

No.

No, I think it's only a two door.

It's got a massive fuel truck.

Oh, sorry, I was seeing the front,

thought that was a door handle.

The rear, I actually don't mind the rear.

That's Bentley.

It's Bentley mixed with the Corvette C8.

Yes.

It's kind of interesting.

So again, look, we haven't been swayed by Denzer yet.

Is it a hard top?

I know, so you can have.

Ben, I'm going to do something I know you've

never seen before.

I've done some research before this.

Wow.

There is both a hard top and a soft top

version that you can have.

But I saw it as it's like a coupe or it's a

retractable hard top.

I believe it's a retracting soft top.

Or a coupe.

Or you can have it as a coupe.

That's a coupe.

So 1500 horsepower.

The coupe is here, it looks a little bit interesting.

The coupe is got big old wing.

I prefer the convertible, if I'm honest.

Yeah.

But that highlights the elegance of Denzer,

doesn't it?

Ben.

Good drive.

Yeah.

How much, any guesses on how much the soft

top weighs or the hard top, either one?

Soft top, go on Ben.

Can you put me out my mind?

Soft top, what, the whole car?

I got an up in my head.

Soft top is going to be, I'm gonna say

relatively heavy, I'm gonna call it 1600.

Yeah, 2.7 tons.

Perfect.

2600, it's 2,650 in soft top form or 250 with

the metal roof.

So you really wanna go for the metal roof,

fat dynamics, a really lightweight,

low to spec.

But it's fine, 'cause all the way,

it's low down.

So then there's said it will be,

do a lot of 60 in less than two seconds.

Less than two seconds.

Less than two seconds, that is insane.

Can we call in then as a please?

Then to make, give us a, so the email is

basically said, yo, we have been chosen.

Yeah.

We have been chosen.

Whether we accept or not is entirely up to us.

So you will see, hopefully you will see soon,

we will confirm whether that's gonna happen or not.

Our people will speak to their people.

Of course, Ben will speak to Daniel Craig.

And go buy me, I didn't know you were that famous.

And he'll go Rogers.

Ben Rogers.

I'll go Aston Martin.

No, Denzer.

But the most famous Roger after Roger Moore.

Exactly.

It's end Rogers.

(laughs) That'll be an event.

Now, the one other thing that I've read that

is quite

interesting, it also has four independently

controlled

electric motors and the same,

Dysus, M, Magna.

Here we go.

Magnetoherological suspension from the Yangwang United.

That's the hopping guy.

That's the hopping bastard, isn't it?

The Yangwang United.

Which I think this is James the name to,

the hopping bastard.

Isn't that Yangwang a bus or is that a Utahn?

Man, this is becoming like watchdogs.

This is really interesting.

We can't keep getting away with this.

If you showed us this podcast section,

if you showed it to me five years ago,

I'd be like, this isn't real.

You can't call cars like that.

Surely.

The Italians need to get involved.

Yeah, well, although I just wrote,

I also read that it's shaped by BOD's chief

designer, Wolfgang Egger.

Does that now bend left because it was the word egg?

But the more car, the car-focused people

among us will know that he's the man that did the H.C.

Did he?

Really?

No.

Did he, Mr.

Egger?

Mr.

Egger.

Now surely, right?

Surely.

You still love that egg?

Yeah.

We are the outlet callers that has given

denser than the most props in the UK.

Oh, you got, we have to be.

Surely.

But also by far,

Marvel ones that understand the electric cars

and Chinese cars, the least.

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that denser,

you owe us a little electric car,

even for the weekend.

Oh, well, did you hear that?

Wow.

They owe us.

We've given them so much power though.

Ben's saying we.

Well, there is no we.

I won't be able to drive it,

but you guys.

How do you know you won't be able to drive us around?

Laws might be different in China.

They're gonna give me a 1,500 horsepower.

No, not that.

Was it a Denzer Z?

Not that.

Denzer Z.

You'll get a little one.

You'll get a little one.

Denzer Z.

Denzer Z.

Denzer Z.

Denzer Z, the Denzer Z, yeah.

It's not, I'm not gonna call it great

looking, but it's not bad looking.

Hey, as far as Chinese electric cars go,

I'll take it.

You'll have one in the class.

I won't pay for it, but if it won't give me

one, I'll pay it.

So you're, Ben's been swayed.

I'm more like Benzer.

Whoa!

Ben YD.

So, you know what, Denzer, let's hear back

from you at some point, all P-Y-D,

one of you guys, let's know.

There's gonna be people listening to this

podcast saying, I didn't come here for electric cars.

You've always hated them.

And now, we can be the one on the podcast that's changed.

All of a sudden, but hey, electric cars are interesting.

Did we talk about the value stuff before?

Yes, many of you.

I've been looking at it, it's mental.

They're like top high level Audi's that are

cheap, and they're like three,

four years old.

But then I looked at the range and L.

It's like how they advertise that stuff.

It says, even like Audi, they say this car

has a maximum range of 200 million miles.

50:21 Electric Cars' Range and Charging Issues

And then you look at people owning them and

they go, yeah, mine's got 50,000 miles,

I'm struggling to get 100 miles.

Is it, what is it, around about 50% after of five cars?

Some of them can't, I think it depends,

I don't know what it, I'm assuming it's charging.

How you charge them, whether you charge them,

I don't know.

What can you, how do you prolong the life of a battery?

You knew about this, right?

It's between 20 and 80.

You don't ever want to do it fully or something.

The Hummer we had--

Oh yeah, you know how much--

Limited at 80, 85.

Which is stupid.

Because our Hummer that when we rented,

when we were in America, was it wouldn't let

us charge above 80.

It was 80 or 85, I think it went no more for me,

thanks.

Which I find, I understand why.

But I find it baffling.

It makes no sense.

So what do I do with the other 15%?

Yeah.

But while you're saving it, what for?

For when?

A rainy day.

If I'm still gonna lose the back,

it makes no sense.

It's like a, just lie to me.

It's like 85 is 100.

It's like at a car where they go,

it revs to nine.

We just put it to six and a half though.

Just like, just don't, I wouldn't use it.

I guess it's like, well it's not quite the same.

It's like how on your, what does he want you

to call that?

Not no domino.

Car rev cage.

Yeah.

Where it'll go up to 10.

But your, but your limiter is at eight.

But they, but they wouldn't sell it.

They would do that on the fuel gauge.

Yeah, they also wouldn't sell it as this car

revs to 10.

I mean, well what, by what?

They go, that's what the rev gauge says.

I guess actually on a fuel, no,

even then, on a fuel gauge you have a reserve

and you've written, like when you fill up,

you could bloody hell with empty,

but you still have 10 liters left.

Yeah.

But still, just lie to me, just say it's 100.

Or 95 or whatever.

And I'd believe it.

Yeah.

I'd be told, I have no way of proving that.

I can't get the 10 count.

Slectricity.

I know there's charging here now.

Just me over touching all the terminals and

seeing whether you get shocked.

'Cause I knew it.

Call it the reserve or something.

That extra 15th reserve and I got,

I might have to use that.

So yeah, I don't understand that.

Electric car people, owners,

makers, hook us up.

We know what we're talking about.

We know nothing.

Yeah.

Sorry.

You mentioned the hammer in the US.

I want to add some impromptu creaming to the

list of the possible.

I want to pitch the cream as this.

Here we go.

We are yet as a gang to rent a car from

Monterey Car week 26.

We are going there for the first time if

anyone was wondering.

Never mentioned it.

Last year, we rented the electric hammer.

We liked it, but I think maybe that didn't

translate what in the video was.

But we're the biggest electric car outlet on

the internet.

This is now called the E in cream.

That's it, it's electric.

Cars, rule the electric every around me.

Cars are electric, actually,

man.

Yeah, that's the scene.

Now, I get a couple of dens out there,

we'll drive those, but in lieu of that,

what should we drive?

Let's discuss it between us and then let's

get the creamers, comment down below,

what kind of vibe we should go for?

Because we've looked at rain drivers.

We have just a few, now we, before we have

the hammer, which is very tall,

I think we need something tall because when

you're car spotting, you want to see above traffic.

I think there is a, here we go,

Will.

The top gear.

The hotel.

That's bad to be ideal.

If we could get that exported out,

I think maybe they could reconstruct it from

what's at the bottom of the beach.

So what we liked about the hammer was because

we spent a lot of the time out there driving

around looking at cool cars.

'Cause actually the best part of Monterey is

that there's just random cool stuff.

There's 92's everywhere.

Everywhere.

But there are also like some,

you'll see like an Enzo, just driving down

the road or F4 and driving down the road.

So you want to be able to A,

C it and B, if that thing's going,

catch it.

I'll be sure, catch everything.

So because the hammer was so powerful and it

was electric, the benefit of that was it was

very quiet, so you could hear the cars in a

distance and then we could zoom off.

Other than the wind noise, which was deafening.

The windscreen, which when you did more than

five miles an hour would go.

So because of that, that must be thought

about in the shots.

So tall and fast.

Tall and fast and also interesting.

Things I describe myself as,

but it's not true.

I've thought of something I'm going to try.

Here we go.

I will endeavor to try.

Here we go.

Anyway, I'm going to reach out to every

single manufacturer I can think of.

I'm going to say, we are going to the quail.

They go, no, you're not.

No, she is going to the quail.

One of us is going to the quail.

What can we do here?

Every manufacturer, and I'm just going to see

how many go back to us.

Obviously they're like UK-based.

Right, I think.

What if all of them say yes?

We're going to have a car for every day of the week.

You know, we do, they do, they do quite well

for us in the past.

Driving American cars on the UK roads.

Sure.

Quite interesting.

I want to do the opposite.

I want to do driving to English cars in like Salinas.

Like an MGB.

And a, and like a Morris Minor.

Maybe.

But driving through a Taco Bell.

Maybe a flipper.

Maybe we need to bring a--

C-App.

Great, sports.

The flipper.

Hey, we don't know, we haven't bought it yet,

we don't know.

Every one of you do that.

But it can be exported, can't it?

So what else could we get?

What kind of cars we thinking?

I think something luxurious.

We've had the few that we found because we're

basically looking on churro so that we don't

have, there are like suburban Grand Wagon

ears that we can get from a normal rental,

but on churro.

Not sponsored, by the way.

Not nothing like that.

There are from looking, there's a Bentayga,

which is quite funny.

I love Bentayga.

Bentayga's funny.

Range Rover's both-

Bentayga.

Elf, very nice.

L405 and L460.

That's the one.

Very good.

And the other thing there is,

NF150 Raptor lifted.

That is cool.

Now I like that.

That'll be quite cool.

There is also-

Ford, Ford are keen on us.

So we could drop them on it again,

that I'm not leaving any hints.

Ford GTs.

We've had a couple of Ford press cars.

They've invited us to some other things that

we haven't gone to with race,

sorry.

But perhaps you will be in my outreach,

for sure.

I'm gonna get flagged as spam.

I think we're gonna go this guy again.

Can we get onto race?

Yeah, we

know.

What can we get from Ford?

NF150, for sure.

NF150.

I think we should get an F350 as well.

Three mustangs.

What are you talking about, Ben?

We're not having multiple cars.

No, I'm just saying it in an ideal world.

Get in the ideal world.

And then I think I must think.

We're renting this tiny apartment.

74 cars are outside.

No, three.

Three.

You want one each?

And three F350s.

What is going on?

Just a big boy.

Also, you tell me you drive an F350 in America.

You anxious little through.

I would drive one in America.

No, you would not.

What are the three cars you drive in the US?

Can you start from the most exciting to the

least, please?

Right, you drove three cars.

Two were other people's cars,

one was rented.

Think of Francisco, mate.

You're mate, Francisco.

Francisco, who we rented a Chevy Traverse offer.

Very good.

He said to me, "Maybe next time we see

Trevor, I'll be in London."

I said to him, "Brothersco, I don't know who you are."

My favorite part of that is that he thinks

he'll be renting a car off of you when he

comes to England.

You're a little GTD.

Your car driving experience in the US.

Was a Chevy Traverse, which was--

That wasn't first though, right?

This was a manual E16 5, which I was

terrified to drive.

Understandable.

Shout out, Peter.

The second one was a Chevy Traverse.

Understood, yeah, cool.

Yep, which I then parked up at a gas station

and I jumped into the Murch Lager.

Yeah, I drove that.

Sometimes you've got to do that.

Sometimes you just have to.

Yeah, but I would be very nervous.

No, I drove Murch Lager in the US.

You would not drive it F350,

absolutely not.

But why would I drive Murch Lager then?

Because you were forced into it.

Yes, there.

And you had like, I'm the other person in the

car, you know, so like for like moral support

where it's on your own in a 3/5.

You're not doing it.

How big are they?

Large, yeah.

Yes.

Isn't the biggest one?

It would feel less like a 4/50s,

but 350 like for customer type things.

Right.

So it might be too, I just don't think you'd do it.

But I think we can get something.

Okay, so we'll update you as this goes on the

outreach to brands.

We're going to start with the Gati.

I think after that, you know,

we'll move down the list.

I suspect Lorda, isn't it?

Forget Audi.

Audi, hey.

Hello.

Whoever else?

Alfa.

Alfa.

Yeah.

Alfa would be cool.

We're gonna get a ticata and then you will

deal with yourself, Ben.

We've thought about that before,

Ben.

We did look.

There was a modified 911 turbo that was like

700 wheel horsepower and you'd just be in the boot.

I will say, sure right now, if you want to do

that, I'm honestly okay with that.

So you'll be in the front?

No, we'd have to get another car.

Oh.

But if you can get something actually cool,

I will drive a Chevy Traverse.

Okay, all right, we'll have a look.

So if you are from, manufacturer,

which you might be, I don't think we've ever

had anyone say there from a manufacturer.

If you are, you know where to find the haps denser.

Yeah, just on denser's booth.

That's where we'll be.

Still not sponsored by me, because we really

need a car.

We haven't booked it.

Otherwise, it's a lot of ubers.

Yeah.

It's not gonna go well.

A lot of walking.

I'm very sorry that the next

thing is also electric related.

Oh God.

This is the E podcast, the Cree E-M podcast.

Cree E-M.

So the Filori wall.

What's that brand there?

All that, that.

Different car.

Ferrari Lucha or the Lucha, whatever you

wanna call it.

Ferrari's new electric thing.

I saw a video of Harry Metcalf doing a sort

of very brief assignment.

Harry Metcalf, who makes very good videos.

I

must say, he's one of my favorite YouTubers,

a very, whether he'd ever come on our

podcast, you might think we're a bunch of

perfumes, quite positive.

I think you just think we're a bunch of silly things.

boys.

But if you ever did come on the podcast,

it would be very cool.

But he got a little bit of time with the

Lucha, no driving or anything like that.

And my feelings haven't really changed.

The interior is exceptionally cool.

Apart from the odd moving screen in the

middle, which feels like a sort of hospital

bed type thing.

But I kind of get where they go.

But they got some really cool,

like some of the toggle switches,

they just look, they have thought about that

at least, but they were talking about

something like, everyone always says,

when an electric car or a hybrid comes out,

it's like, Oh, I had to do that.

I had to do that.

So you said they're at a size now.

So they have to build,

they have to get their own success has come

round and hit

them in the backside, because they sell so

many cars now.

And I think it's mainly related to EU sales.

So I can't

remember how many, how many it is they sell per year.

But if they go over 10,000 in the EU,

the EU start to go, hang on a sec.

Your emissions need to come down by the end.

you need to do something to reduce that or

lower those emissions.

So the Ferrari, the Luchay is kind of a means

to an end in a way of saying,

right, we still want to carry on doing the

other stuff, but we need something to bring that.

So I can understand it.

And if there is, if it genuinely is that is

the main reason, obviously they're going to

push it and promote it and market it or

something they love and it's amazing.

It's passion and it's pure Ferrari.

But I was like, okay.

Meanwhile, the people who work Ferrari,

boring.

Then I can understand it.

Again, there is always, I always have to look

into it a little bit deeper sometimes.

It's like when Aston with the DBX and the

Eurosson, obviously this one's just more

annoying because it's electric.

The Signet as well.

The Signet, that's what the Signet was there for.

Yeah, to the emissions.

They're to bring the emissions down.

So it's just more annoying because it's

electric and maybe they could have done

something different with it.

I think that some people's gripe is that they

could have done, but then it isn't a

five-seater SUV thing.

But I guess if that gives more credence to

the idea that it was potentially bought from

Apple, as a, here's 50% of the work's already done.

Just run with that.

So we don't have to go through development of

making a two-nine-six electric or doing

anything about, just push it out.

Some silly, rich bastards will buy it and

then off we go.

But there is a general consensus that it will

potentially prolong the life of things like

the V12 and the V8s a little bit longer.

So worth it for that.

I have no interest in it, really,

but you know what?

We will let you have that one,

Ferrari.

But they are still making an AV12.

Which has to be appreciated.

I saw a photo on Instagram of the,

I don't think it was a release,

but it was one in the flesh of a testerosa.

I like it more.

The 849.

Is that what it's called?

849?

I actually quite like the shape of it now.

I know that there's this thing where everyone

goes, or someone on the internet made a

render and it looks better.

And they do.

Somehow everyone managed to make it look better.

And again, I assume that there is a reason

why it can't.

There has to be a safety for that.

The

argument for it not looking like,

obviously they used a

1:03:20 Cars We All Agree On - 458 Speciality Editions

testerosa name.

Yeah.

Maybe even more race car from the original.

I think they had a space in the middle of that word.

Yeah, but still.

It was testerosa, which comes from,

I think, it was to do with the cylinder heads

or the rocket car was or whatever,

big red, because it means red head.

So the same thing happened on the testerosa.

Yeah.

On the testerosa, everyone knows they used

that name, which was used from many,

many years before.

So none of the design elements were carried over there.

It's completely different.

Yeah.

It's the, I think they call it a pontoon

thing, but it looks like it's almost like

they have two different pontoons and sort of

the body in the middle type of thing.

completely different cars, all together,

completely different designs.

So yeah, it's a little bit like there is,

there is an argument that Ferrari know more

about what they're doing than most people

than your average ponto does.

Not saying they're doing everything perfect

because there's some of the stuff I think

they've really missed on.

And maybe they go too much towards the nostalgia thing.

Maybe they didn't need to use the testerosa name.

Maybe they could have used something else.

Some of it, some of it just feels like we

need to set a car, we slap a testeros name on it.

It's going to, it has some meaning at least,

but it has some some, some all,

you know, buy it because of that.

And the V8, I can't remember this from

before, the V8 and the testerosa,

that is a new V8.

I don't know if that's the same,

it's just an older version of F8.

Okay.

Yeah, I also like that.

I like that it obviously should be a V12,

but it's great that it's not a V6.

I know that V6 is incredibly good.

Also, we're sitting on a sofa,

we've never driven any of these cars.

It's, we're not, we're not trying to say that

we're the authority on it, but from

anecdotally, I think it's cool that there is

a V8 in it and not a V6.

I'm still not a big fan of how they sound.

I know they do sound like a mini V12.

The V6.

Yeah, was it Piccolo V12?

Piccolo V12, yeah.

But a V8's cool, V12's cool,

that's Ferrari.

So there we go, that's electric news of the

whole podcast, the whole podcast,

mostly electric, but not going to continue.

I'd say you heard it here second on most of that.

I think we're pretty up today.

I think also V8, some V6 is at the end there.

I think somewhat interesting electric stuff.

I think so.

I think we've been impartial.

I think by then, is a...

I've always denser.

But willing to be bought out by denser,

we will say where you need to.

Everyone has a price.

We're still doing a talk shit.

Benjamin, we'll finish off on you.

Fantastic.

You have a forum for us.

I do.

This is from Kurt Albert.

Is it how much strength does an electric car have?

Is it?

Let's talk about electric cars for a podcast.

Hello, cream lords, electric car question for you.

No, Jake.

No, please don't.

I've got a forum question for

you.

Avantime, which was one of the few cars that

Clark's and Hammond and May all liked.

My question is, is there a car at all?

As in one of the only cars that they all liked?

No one they didn't.

I did say that.

I thought it was the Mondayo,

wasn't it?

They all said they liked the S2000 from memory.

Was it a gothant?

Yeah.

Something like that.

Let's

say...

I'm so sorry, Kurt.

This is the sort of thing you...

What was your question?

The question is, is there a car that all

three of us like?

Let's say that they did like the Avantime.

Okay.

I like this question.

We all like equally.

Good job, Mr.

Cobain.

I'm going to go ahead and say...

What are we like?

I think there are lots of cars that we all

like, but not that we're like...

I would have one of them.

Yeah, that's the car that we'd all go and...

What's the entry point?

I think it's...

You wouldn't have an L-322.

I think it's a denser.

Nope.

Wouldn't do that if I'm honest.

Not yet.

I think...

Ben, would you have an L-322?

I like it.

You wouldn't.

I probably wouldn't buy one.

Four or five?

For 60.

You wouldn't have a 405?

I would have a 405, especially after America.

I would use it like them, but I don't...

This is a much easier game than me and

Edwin's play with me.

That's why it seems we had to do it.

It's just no update on my windscreen as of yet.

Haven't heard anything.

Still upset and waiting.

I'm sure there's...

I'm just counting the cost of going through.

Oh, please.

It's actually a limitation.

It surely runs after a while.

I don't think it's that hard work.

No, for a long time.

No, for a long time.

Sorry for the contracts, but sure.

Yeah.

But an L-405, despite my windscreen,

a buckle I would love to own.

Also, I forgot to tell you this.

Well, I found out this is an actual thing.

Also, it's great because I can say,

well, I can say some of it.

I got, when I got to the speed limit,

let's say that on the motorway,

I was driving and everything fine,

normal and suddenly...

And then it stopped.

And I was like, train.

What the hell was that?

And then, so I tried, I tried accelerate again.

They went...

And it stopped.

And I was like, what?

And it sounded like a car's horn in the car.

It scared all of us.

It turns out there's a trim piece on L405s

and apparently discoveries that when you're

facing the right direction where the wind's

blown across and you get to a certain speed,

it will make the loudest howling noise possible.

And it scared the piss out of me.

Is that loud?

Genuinely, like, deafeningly loud.

I want to see if there are any creamers that

have ever experienced it.

up afterwards, there are videos of it.

I'll see if I can find it quickly.

This is when we find out that that speed that

it hits at is 190 miles an hour.

Definitely not that.

Definitely not that.

This is, I've listened to it.

It's a

quieter version of it, but it is kind of similar.

Kind of sounds like I'm letting you know.

Yeah.

Or kind of similar.

Just out of nowhere at 100 decibels.

Really, really quite unnerving.

Well, bees, bees in the car.

Yeah, no, I didn't have any at the time.

I think that's like a swarm of bees.

That's a rough running bee, so.

I'd get your bee checked out if your bees

sound like that.

So this is cars we all, now,

so we're going on cars we all buy,

'cause I don't think the top gear,

a question was cars they'd buy.

It's just ones that they like.

I do not see Jeremy Clarkson or Rich Hammond

driving a Monte OST.

Okay, so it's ones we like.

But they could say they like it.

True, but then I think we have quite a few.

Oh, there's many.

For what?

NSVJ.

Well.

See, but I like that.

I like it, I wouldn't buy one.

Because you'd have an LP700.

I'd have, I think I like the SV the most.

Oh, would you have William?

I would have an SV, yes.

Okay, so we don't agree.

So we don't agree.

Yes, I guess it's then.

It's one that we all agree.

There's TZ there.

A four by the C's there.

Spider for me.

Especially Harley for me.

Oh, will that be all right?

I'd go for a coupe normal for me.

Well, there we go, all three different.