Mate Rimac's Car Collection, Daily Driver Choices and The MX-5 Debate - C.R.E.A.M. #43
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- Edwin
- Will
- Ben
0:00 Introduction and Tom Lenthel Interview
Can you tell us a story about a bold man that is small?
I can't actually believe I'm sat here
defending an MX-5 owner.
But undertaking is not illegal.
I think it might be.
Hello
and welcome back to the Cars Rule Everything
Around Me
podcast with myself, Edwin.
Will, to the left, Ben, to the front,
and to the right.
Tom Lenthel, owner of the very creatively
named Tom Lenthel Limited, Jaguar Land Rover Specialist.
He's the man that
saved us countless times, carts,
tools, help.
So he thought,
"You know what?
He's also a very interesting man.
Don't
tell me he said that."
And we thought we should get him on the podcast.
So firstly, first and first,
how are you doing Tom?
I'm all right today.
Yeah, you boys.
Good.
Very good.
Thank you.
At the beginning of every podcast,
we answer with a Cars Rule or Ruin everything.
Everything around us.
Tom, do you want to start?
This week, or last week, as it's the
beginning of the week, isn't it?
I'm ruling at the moment.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
Yeah.
But is it allowed to be a two-wheel thing
instead of a four-wheel thing?
That's fine.
It has to be fine.
It has to be very brief.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it's two-wheel, it's going to be half as long.
I could talk for hours on this.
So I did a track date, Donnington on Friday.
I went to the-- On a bike.
On a motorbike, yeah.
And I've been having a bit of bad luck on my
cars recently.
Track cars broken.
I've done the engine on that.
I broke down on the way to Switzerland and my E-Tart.
It's not-- I've had a few ruins.
Very top-length old problems.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Third-world problems.
And I've been building one of my old bikes
that I've had for 15 years.
And I gave it a complete refresh,
powder coated the frame, rebuilt the engine,
did it.
And it's the first time I used it.
And it was perfect.
And it was brilliant.
And it was great.
And I walked away with a big massive smile on my face.
And yeah.
So it made my week.
made my last, my last five, 10 days is perfect.
Nice.
Did I see that on your Instagram?
Was it the two stroke?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're the vice of woman.
I didn't actually have my two stroke there.
I took one of my four strokes and the one I rebuilt.
You can say what bike it is.
It's a GSXR 750.
Okay.
Those are numbers.
Suzuki GSXR 750.
That one is 2005.
Okay.
And it's a two stroke.
No, no, no.
It's a two stroke.
So I've got two stroke.
Okay.
I don't know if my mates took their two
strokes, but I took this because I literally
just finished it.
And it was actually supposed to be a pre-2000s day.
You just broke the rules.
You just paid them off.
I just paid them off.
They were all right at the game.
They always say it's in the spirit of and I'm
like, well, I'm pre-2000s, so it's fine as it is.
The rider.
Yeah, the rider is pre-2000s,
exactly.
So starting on a rule, William.
I'm gonna go with a rule as well,
if I'm honest.
You got a new delivery.
5 outside, Renault 5 electric truck picked up
this morning, which is a press car,
not our first press car.
No, it's in the same group though.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, it's one of
3:08 Rule or Ruin: Will’s Renault 5 Electric Truck Experience
those cars that I've always found interesting.
New cars do not interest me at all,
but when that came out, it looked quite interesting.
So I just emailed Renault and said,
can I have visuals?
And they said, okay, boss, we can give you
one, but only for three days.
But it's interesting that literally every
single person that's seen that car so far has
gone, oh, I really like this.
Yeah, they're cool.
They're cool.
If someone parks a tester in the car,
up up, which there has been and other
electric cars have been here.
Everyone just walked past it.
But that it might be to do the fact it is bright green.
It's quite great.
But it is quite cool.
So I'm going to drive it this week and we're
going to film a video with it tomorrow.
Yep.
Well, we'll
get on something quite funny about it later on.
And yeah, other than that, yeah,
no reason to ruin for me.
Oh, sorry, another big rule,
which Tom likes.
Yeah, I got excited.
So behind visual people, we'll see a Ford
Mustang behind us.
For the audio people, there is a Ford Mustang behind us.
You might be able to see GT350 on there.
It's not a real GT350.
But subscriber Neil, yeah, 1965,
describing Neil as let's borrow this car for
a video we're shooting on Wednesday and a
couple days time.
He's also a creamer.
Shout out Neil.
He really wanted to have the car behind on the podcast.
And obviously we obliged because this is
possibly the coolest car we've had.
Usually we put the TV on the car,
but we thought, you know, Neil,
let's not scratch up the paperwork.
So sorry, you can't see your car a bit more,
but you know, maybe next time.
That is a cool car.
That is a critical car.
It sounds, we haven't driven it.
Yeah, we haven't driven it.
We've got delivered on a trailer.
That's another thing.
Neil was cool enough to go.
Yeah, basically I live four hours away.
But if someone wants to come collect it on
trailer, you can have it for a few days.
So it's now none of us have driven it yet,
but we're all kind of drooling over it.
But it's like one of his dream cars.
He always wanted it.
So he bought it, I think earlier this year.
And yeah, he reckons it's over 400 horsepower that car.
manual.
Yeah, I'm a bit scared to drive it.
But yeah, looking forward to it.
That's going to be good.
Is it a lefty, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's a proper one.
I've been rule currently.
I've been over the weekend working out the
list of things my cars need to make them happy again.
So I'm about to go into ruin stations,
but I've bought a part for my ex-five.
What is it?
I bought a steering angle sensor.
Oh, you don't know.
Excuse me.
Exciting news on the Grand Tour.
Exactly.
So that's going in this week by me and then.
Cleo gearbox.
Has one.
Sure.
It still has one.
He's in desperate need of an alignment.
So I haven't driven it for about two weeks.
But when that happens, we're back.
We're so back.
We're so
back.
And you like the five as well.
Are you saying that?
I
don't have one of those.
Yeah.
I just can't get home in it.
It joins the very long list of the bikes.
The context of
every single time Benjamin gets in a car,
no matter what
car it is, he goes, I can have one of these.
It's quite nice.
It could be a seat filled with nails.
Is this generally due to a lack of sitting in
lots of cars prior or?
Sure.
I'm going to say it's hard.
I've probably sat in a lot of cars.
I like them.
They're cool.
But we get to meet cool cars.
I'm going to sit in it and like it.
Sometimes.
We're thinking of doing a video.
We probably won't.
But funny is that we find the video Ben doesn't like.
But it could be upwards of an hour.
Yeah.
It could be just in every car.
I like it.
The Renault is nice.
But overall, it's a rule.
Sure.
for now here.
And for you.
It's a road for me.
Because I was driving home in the M3 the other night.
And I pulled up at a junction.
I had the windows down.
And as I pulled away from the junction,
I had pulled over.
Yeah, it was a hole in my tire quite badly.
So managed.
Jamie, thankfully, was
6:46 Benjamin's Daily Driver Choices Discussion
still at the unit.
I was only 10 minutes away.
I stole a set of Alex's M3 wheels.
He brought them over to me.
It's like my back of my car.
They might be still on there a week later.
Oh, well.
So I've had to buy new tires.
And while I was under there,
I looked my rear camera on and there is a
crack in my rear camera on.
So I'm not driving that car anymore.
I need to drive my WiFi 36 home.
So it might be time for an M3 refresh of parts.
There's bits and bobs on order.
I will see.
Also, I might be fixing the suspension by
buying a boot lid for it.
So that won't have anything to do with the
way you drove it.
No, no, no.
What do you mean?
I drove completely normally.
I was going to say, there are photographic evidence.
Yeah, yeah.
It has been slightly abused,
I think.
Oops, maybe.
We have a mixed bag this week.
Have we got some anecdotes and newses?
We are having newses.
Sorry, I'm just trying to find the,
here we are.
The only real news we have is something we
made sure you found this last week.
So this is old news, but again,
this is our podcast and we do old news.
Corvette Chevrolet even have come out with
another Corvette and then they've taken them
to the Nurburgre, three of them,
and absolutely blitzed a load of times.
Actually ridiculous.
But the only, now it's all very,
very impressive and it's like six minutes something.
I can't remember what it is.
And it's this 1,200 horsepower hybrid version
that's, which I think is that one,
the yellow one with a huge wing and blah,
blah, blah.
But the difference between the very,
very, the ridiculous one and the next most
ridiculous one is like a second and a bit,
but it is quite a cost difference.
So they've gone out there and gone,
"Oh shit, maybe it's not worth all that.
I need to do all that."
But either way, ridiculously quick.
So the time, what was the time?
It was a six, something in, so it's 649.
No buggering time, which is insane.
And that's an American.
What an American drove it round?
I doubt it.
I'm going to doubt that.
I bet it was a German.
I doubt it, didn't actually say the driver to be fair.
So supposedly the base price of a ZR1 is $178,000.
The ZR1 X is supposedly going to be around at
least 200 to 250.
So that is a, that's around about 70,000.
$105, $75,000 markup.
That's quite chunky.
That's quite a lot.
The driver seems to be the American.
This is a short American victory.
Not crazy.
But yeah, I just said it was,
it was like big news.
We've done this and they went,
I am.
Very expensive one is only ever so slightly
quicker than the next most.
Normally you'd want it to go right five seconds quicker.
So I would love to throw one of those.
That is an absurd car, a 1200 horsepower car
that you can buy from a dealership.
So they are retailing them in the UK as well.
Well, they are right hand drive.
They are right hand drive.
I think the E-Ray might be right hand drive.
I want to say that there are C8 corvettes
that are right hand drive offered in the UK.
Because there's all the companies that sell
the, yes, you can get it done.
You can get a ZO6, I'm not sure about a ZO1.
Yeah, but right hand drive?
Yeah, actually right hand drive.
Right hand drive.
Which I actually think takes me away from it.
I bet the ZO1 won't be surely.
And that, as it was, it X.
But they claimed when they launched that,
that it would do not 60 in 1.9 seconds.
It does have a little asterisk next to it,
which we reckon is probably prep track,
semi slicks, perfect conditions,
racing jockiers of driver, a nice wind.
Well, not to 60 in under two.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's so the base car is what,
800 horsepower?
Or the ZO1 is still 1,000.
Oh, it's 1,000, sorry.
And then there's another 200 or 300
horsepower of electric motors on the front
wheels in the ultra one.
So that's, I buy it.
I buy a low two.
Around about two.
Yeah.
But 1.9 is that there's enough room for error
there that the wind could be ever so slightly
off and you're going to be in the twos.
Also, I remember like growing up,
watching Top Gear, a car that could go into
three was like, what?
What the hell?
And then just recently, it feels like we've
just got into twos.
And yet now they're like, yeah,
one, we're going to be tomorrow.
They're like, yeah, since then you're at 60.
Yeah, as soon as you get in it,
it's doing 60.
It's gone.
But that was the only news.
I've spotted that was a very--
Sure.
Any use.
So we're going to anecdotes.
And first one we'll start off with is this
terrible car ad.
I'm going to start off with a apology on this.
A man on Instagram sent this somewhere.
Let me pull it up to someone.
And I've forgotten your name.
So if it's you, all credit goes to you,
but you sent us this incredible eBay ad,
which is one of the worst adverts I've ever seen.
Here we go.
Pulling it up now.
That is a photo of a phone on a magazine.
On a table.
On a table.
ITTOI Estate.
So that is the rear shot.
The first photo is the rear shot.
You click through and then you get a video,
which when you click on it, is plays a man
filming another phone of a video walking
around the car, which is ridiculous,
which means he's got two devices to be doing this.
He's holding two devices.
And then we go through it.
Yeah, we've got another one.
The reflection on the glass is quite nice here.
Just really just taking away from you,
being able to tell anything about the car.
And then the final one is just fully on a newspaper.
Justin's flip out phone, Tom,
you got one of those?
Well, the thing is, I'm seeing it thinking,
even someone as IT non-savvy as me,
think that that's ludicrous what you've done.
I am guilty of recording footage off of my
laptop by recording the screen because you
sent me that one.
Did I really?
Yeah, I do do that because I'm a bit,
you know, like backwards with that sort of stuff.
But I mean, does he not have WhatsApp?
No, probably not.
Did you know what I mean?
I don't think he's aware of an eBay app.
How did you work out to even create the
advert on eBay?
Exactly.
You know, maybe he's gone to like a family
member and said, "Can you put this on eBay?"
And there equally is.
I'm struggling with the logic of the whole thing.
Because you have access to two mobile devices.
Surely your brain could make one connection.
Was it the Mustang that we found on eBay the
other day that was incorrectly listed as the Ford Mr.
Tang?
It was listed as Mr.
Ian Ford.
Mr.
Ian Ford.
The eBay ad had expired three times.
He had re-listed it, seeing that the title was Mr.
Ian Ford.
Every single time I'm gone.
That's right to me.
If I'm certified for Mr.
Ian Ford.
Surely you take one moment to look at your
listing and go, "This sounds like a man from accounting."
Not my car.
I couldn't really sell it.
Mr.
Ian Ford.
I was my car not selling.
Why is that?
Because it was listed as, literally,
Mr.
Ian Ford.
Maybe he thinks he's like in some sort of stuff.
No people say like, "Not Mustang,
not this.
I sell it like that.
It'll be different."
Also, quicker side.
Tom, you've chosen.
Yeah, I know.
It's good in it.
You've chosen Driver 2 to be on the script behind it.
I haven't seen it for years now.
I'm just going to sit here watching it.
So this is, someone has remastered this to
play nicely on PC.
So it looks really nice and clear.
But is this in your head how you remember it looking?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because we do it every week.
We look at it and we go, "That looks amazing."
And then I go home and play it on PS2 and go,
"Oh, no, this looks dreadful.
This looks great."
Yeah.
Will you play this?
You play derivative?
I remember this one.
I remember the three more.
Yeah.
I'm having the number three because I'm all over.
But yeah, two is, I played at a friend's house.
There's something about these games that are
just irreplaceable.
So good.
Oh, games were better.
They're not better in that.
They're more advanced than you can do more.
But that doesn't make a game better.
I don't want to get into gaming and stuff on that now.
But I think that's, it's like super cars.
If you gave me a brand new game of,
I don't know, Formula One or whatever it is.
I would go back to this and have more fun
playing this for sure.
You might spend less time on this,
but you can, as in, like, you can't.
We used to spend hours on it.
So we were tight.
Yeah.
So in my mates
shed, so my mate, as I shared where we used
to go around and play cards and drink and,
you know, all that sort of stuff and play.
I played on the team.
I played on the team.
So we would pass, you know, there'd be like
four or five of us in there.
We'd have a go each.
So we'd be there all afternoon,
all day, you know, you know,
it'd be brilliant, you know.
It's also a bit more sociable than all being
in their own houses.
Yeah.
Well, we didn't have, you know,
it wasn't online then.
Yeah.
You know, we couldn't, we couldn't,
you know, sit at home and be unsociable and
talk to people over the internet.
And abuse people over the internet.
And abuse people.
And generally abuse people because that didn't exist.
So you had to get in your car and drive.
So we weren't going to visit people.
It was very, very strange by today's standards.
And abuse them to their face.
Yeah.
Tom's quite good at that.
Yeah.
I've had years of practice.
Right.
Next up, something we spoke about in a recent
podcast, Ben's Daily Choices.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought that wouldn't be very interesting,
but everyone, everyone was commenting on messaging me.
And also that was in the last two minutes of the podcast.
Shut up and creamers.
You guys listen the whole way through it.
Or just go crazy.
Yeah.
So Benjamin, hi, you asked, you said you're
getting
15:54 Daily Driver Car Suggestions for Ben
fed up of using the X5 every day.
You'd quite like a something reliable cheap
that you just run around, but at the same
time you did have a few requirements.
You wanted it to be at least a good,
good MPG and kind of comfy.
Yeah.
What he actually said is he doesn't care.
But and then we started pitching things and
he was, well, I'd like he seats.
That would be nice.
Well, I'd like an automatic gearbox.
But have you seen any of those?
Because there was a lot of good suggestions.
I don't want to admit what I looked at.
Okay.
I was looking at Volvo V 50s.
Fair.
Cause I was not as getting bullied by Will
and Will and Will for that.
Yeah.
And myself.
Quite, quite nice.
No, I just, I just, I had like the X5.
What in a Volvo?
Yeah.
Well, I think some of you probably want this
more demographic isn't it?
Jesus Christ.
Yes, he's all agrees with me.
No, some, I, I like the X5 a lot,
but it's, it's either when it isn't really go
wrong, when it does go wrong,
then it costs a lot to fix.
Got a Volvo?
No, the X5.
Oh, sorry.
I phased down.
So our discussion was, was that whether Ben
buys something boring or whether he leases something?
He looks at getting finance on something.
You know, that he never has to worry about.
And he just munches miles onto it.
And a lot of people responded and said,
I like cars like you guys do buying project
cars, buying old pieces of shit,
but I have leased or financed the car and
it's changed my life for the better.
So we were saying Ben is the perfect guinea
pig, because we're not doing that.
So I've looked at lease in a car.
Okay.
So I like to have one sort of,
you know, sort of normal car for me to use,
you know, that works.
That works.
And drive in the van.
Yeah.
So I looked at leasing it, but then I find
what I do is I buy a car, I drive it around
for six months and then I sell it and then I
change it for something else.
And if I lease it, I'm kind of committed to,
you've got to be committed to like two or
three years or something like that.
And I'd get bored.
I know I would.
But that's my, I'm assuming there are ways
out of stuff like that.
But again, that's what puts me off is I have
never owned a car for that long.
Normally you have to put, I don't know,
a few granddads.
It's a down payment, isn't it?
And then there's a certain amount,
pay per month for three years.
And then at the end of it, you hand it back.
Yeah.
So it's quite an expensive way.
People think it's a cheap or it comes across
as a cheap way of owning a car,
but I think it's quite expensive.
Yeah, especially when if you're,
if you're a wet as aware as we are in our
industry, you can get good cars for cheap.
Yeah.
You can get a £2,000 car that will run for
the next three years with minimal servicing.
So some of the cars that I've bought so
cheap, but obviously actually pumped 30,
40, 50, 60,000 miles on them.
But a lot of people it's a it's a scary,
you know, cost of ownership was literally
zero, you know, in reality, you know,
compared to sawdust in the gearbox.
Yeah, just keep it going.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
But how much did you spend a month,
Ben?
That's the thing I don't want to spend the
money a month.
I have my issue is that you do three years of
paying for a car and then you have enough to
show for it.
Yeah, that's it.
You just renting it.
It's spent money.
Yeah, exactly.
So I don't know.
I would not.
I mean, from what I've seen,
mostly still, on anything half Disney is
going to be able to put a month,
at least.
But so, so Volvo, use Volvo as where you're leaning.
Yeah, probably.
Your other problem is mileage on that thing.
Yes, that's what a lot of people say.
So obviously you come here from,
I mean, how many miles have you done in the
X5 since you bought me?
Since November last year and I've done 25,000?
Yeah, see, they find that somebody's going to
bend you over.
Yeah, they do have a mileage limit over 10 or more.
12,000 a year.
So yeah, if you're paying like 400 pound a
month, you know, that's sort of the thick end
over three years of 15 K plus what you've got
to put down for nothing.
Yeah.
And there's always going to be like a five,
10 grand put down, isn't there?
So I don't know what one of those cars cost new.
Are they like 40 grand?
Are they something like that?
Well, it depends what it depends what you'd
be looking for.
If you did.
Yeah.
Usually it's what 30, 40 grand.
Well, most cars are 30 grand.
Yeah.
So they're now expensive.
So I probably won't do that.
I'll probably buy this for more something else terrible.
And then she used that six months think it's me.
terrible.
Fair.
We all do.
What you have right now is an X5,
which is slightly more complex than the average.
It's a cheap car compared to what it was new,
but it's still relatively complex.
It's still a big four-wheel drive SUV,
bushes, bigger brakes, blah,
blah, blah.
So if you had something that was a bit more
simple, in a similar price, I don't think
you'd have the same.
How many miles has the X5
got on it?
175.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, a lot, yeah.
It's another point where it's kind of around for it.
It's like, you know, you get a buy a car at
100K, it's had stuff done to it.
And again, for that second, give me more
bushes, give me more bits and bobs.
But I was looking at like three series.
Have you got a manual M57 three series?
A manual.
Yeah, because what's going on with that?
True, but also you get an auto,
Ben.
Yes.
The amount of miles you do, just get an auto
and just live life.
Also, they're just scamming.
First traffic jam you get.
A manual, yeah.
It's cheaper and obviously the only real cost
with a reliable manual is a client.
It's very much.
Really?
Yeah.
Are you scared because of the brown barge?
Very, very, very, very scared.
I'm scared because of the what?
So Benjamin bought a, to be fair,
under our duress, we suggested this 530D that
came up on car.
It was on car.
Yeah.
It was like a ground was 1500 quid.
It was, it was pretty cheap for them.
And Ben bought it and literally everyone was
like, this thing is amazing.
Apart from Will, we'll hate it because of the
baseball ball.
But everyone was like, this is a solid car.
It was really good.
It happened to be on my back open one day.
Sorry, before you say that, we went to TRS
Performance, right?
And they have their, they're all like,
obviously into cars and stuff.
And they all came out and we're looking
around the car and telling me how good it was.
And I was like, it's just great.
Cause Will's abusive me about not having air
conditioning, whatever.
And then I was driving home.
You're now feeling good about yourself.
I love it.
One day and five.
And then I just, I accelerate and the color
is, and it just red lines and like gets stuck in gear.
And then just tells me transmission error and
I had to pull over on the shoulder.
And then it kept doing that or it just
slipped out of gear.
So.
box.
Why didn't do anything to it?
It just went.
I don't know if, and so Ben,
Ben sent it off to the big next person next
donor in the sky without telling them.
That's not true.
I think it's been.
So yeah, so that calls God.
So it's not
white.
That's why you're scared of gearbox.
Yeah.
Cause also the gearbox in that is the exact
same as what's next five.
But let me, let me be your devil or your
angle, your shoulder, your manual Clio.
What, what does that need?
What part does that need?
A gearbox?
So we will watch your career with great
interest on whether
or not you're right.
I don't think, I don't think it's that
interesting to me by any deli.
Cause it's not anything
interesting.
It's just, we might have to make a video on it.
Just cause it's quite funny.
On the V 50, even though the final car was boring.
I like a V 50 and our design V 50.
Cool to me.
Get a little D five in there.
I'll show you.
I'll put a pull up now.
Small estate, he's the smallest estate.
If you're not going to lease a car,
I'll budget if you have to buy one.
I'm going to buy a car.
It's going to last me six months to a year.
I'm going to put 25,000 miles of a car.
I'll probably, I'll probably,
cause I need to rely on it quite a lot.
I probably go, quite like three and a half to four.
Maybe if I've ruined ice when we got five.
There you go.
Never liked six.
Nah.
I like those.
I could push to ten though.
I think they're still smart as well.
That's right.
There's some camera going the back of that.
Am I like saying that's for Ford?
A nurse of all things.
Yeah, they're focused.
I've got a really nice L32 camera.
Oh, that sounds reliable.
We can talk into this.
You know, to Alex Towers, that's the base job.
I bought off you.
I want free maintenance for life.
Free maintenance.
Yeah, that's what Alex says to me as well.
Nobody flips a coin on it.
I'll lend you that double-sided coin.
Yeah.
What do you do, Tom?
That Range Rover is what you use all the time.
No, no, no.
The Range Rover that I'm in today is actually
that used to be my daily journey.
driving.
I sold it to a customer.
Okay.
I actually thought you were going to say it's a customer.
No, no, it's a customer.
He's a really good, he's actually a mate of mine.
And I'm just, I've literally just been fixing
it for him.
24:13 Tom Lenthel’s Car Collection Overview
And so I've wanted to drive it and test it
and make sure it was okay.
So my, in the summer, I tend to just ride the
classic cars.
What I've got kicking around.
So the Lister Coupe, the V12 Coupe,
or the type of that was working or just
whatever's kicking around.
But yeah, I don't really and then in the
winter, rest of the time, I just drive the van.
Well, that actually brings us on to one of our questions.
We've got more anecdotes than things.
Yeah.
But what do you own currently?
What cars?
Because people probably won't know that you
have a very cool collection essentially of cars.
I've got a few bits and pieces,
yeah.
One of which is our favorite that we keep
bugging about that's not Jaguar Land Rover.
But what is it that you've got at the moment
that's your stable?
What's in the stable at the moment?
So if I start with the oldest,
1957 Mark 1 Jaguar, which is a Saloon and
it's also a race car.
Which I've been building for a while,
nearly finished.
1957 XK150, convertible, so that's quite a
cool car, quite like that, Meg really likes that one.
Then what do we go to?
A very small photo.
Yeah, it's in that color as well actually.
I knew, yeah.
You didn't know you've seen it.
That's your car, Tom.
'69 Mara Smyrna convertible.
Oh, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't, that doesn't worry.
No, no, no.
That's a brilliant car.
I can't see, I can't even picture you driving it.
I actually bought it for my wife as a present.
It was very unhappy.
So I'm not very good at buying my wife
presents, like, you know, like jewellery and
rings and stuff like that.
So anyway, I bought with this,
I bought with this Mara Smyrna and I wrapped
it up in a, I went to the jewellers and got a ring box.
And put the keys in it, and she thought I'd
bought her a ring.
(laughing) But actually, that is the classic
car that I've driven the most out of all of
the cars I've got.
Really?
Yeah, because we used to use it in the
summers
all the time with the kids.
I'd drive it to Cornwall, Devon and Lake
District and I've been everywhere in that car.
That's cool.
So that was actually, it's really,
really well used car.
What is the fastest you've got that up to?
Ah, that's good question.
So on the A303, going down to Cornwall,
the speedo is going all over the place,
going down the hill, and of course,
you know, the sat-nav in '85.
(laughs)
Yeah, with one, oh, I think they had one,
I think one, three, five times or something like that.
Look at my, you know, 'cause I'm very,
very safety conscious, we've got seat belts
and my 10 year old daughter sat in there with me.
Nailing it down the hills, yeah,
it's brilliant.
Yeah, so Meg would always drive her car,
which is, my wife always drives a Range
Rover, I've never seen one for years.
So she would take the Range Rover with my son
in it normally, and all the luggage,
and then me and Erin would go in the Morris minor.
In the slipstream of the Range Rover.
Yeah, but this is, I
remember being in Padstow, we were staying at
Padstow area,
and we've gone down into Padstow in Meg's
Range Rover, 'cause it was raining,
and it's like, I don't know if you've been in
the Padstow, but it's very pedestrian-y,
and there's lots of people walking around,
nowhere to park, everyone hates you,
in a rainstorm, then the next day,
the sun's shining, and I come down in the
Morris Mine, and it's like, everyone just
smiles at it, and it's a universally,
it's the car that makes people just universally happy.
People are always happy to see a Morris Mine
convertible, and I've pulled into the car
park, and it's an attended car park,
right?
And as I've literally pulled in there,
and mate, he's moved to Kona that way,
he's all you can park like that there,
mate.
And I love it, I just love that car.
So we've got the Morris Mine convertible,
I'm trying to think of what else we've got,
XJS, 'cause I've got other XJS,
so I've got the XJS race car,
I've actually got a couple of XJSs.
The stuff that you like is the sum,
I'm sure you're not about the C.R.E.
Cosworth.
Yeah.
So I've got a 1986 whale tail,
C.R.E.
Cosworth, which I've had for a very long time.
But again, that was a boyhood dream,
you know?
It was from Car for my youth,
one of my friends, Dad had one,
and it's in white as well, yeah.
Just one of the best cars ever.
Yeah, that is a stunning car,
that is, I love it.
We're still going to see that one.
Yeah, no, it's, well I've been doing a load
of work on it.
We gave it a full repaint, and I just haven't
got round to putting it all back
together.
So I was going to try and get it out this
year,
but I don't think it is.
I think it's going to be next year.
You are going to have to be patient.
I've got my balaclava
in my hand.
I am ready to round raid a shop.
That's cool.
Hey fellow owners.
Yeah.
I've got the Peugeot.
That's quite a cool thing.
Obviously the project eight.
Oh, that mother is very cool.
So what is the story of you getting that?
Because that was a customer that offered it to you.
So that journey started with Harry Metcalf.
Right.
So I always knew they were quite a cool car,
and we've actually had quite a few unit work,
but I don't actually test drive the cars that
work the boys do.
And when I was doing Harry's XJ for him,
he came down to do some film.
And he brought the project A,
and he said, "Have you ever driven it?"
And I was like, "Well, no, he's a straightforward answer.
"I've never driven one."
And while he was setting his equipment up,
he just threw me the keys and said,
"Go and take it for a drive."
And I was like, "Oh
God, I need one of these.
"I've driven loads of 5-liter XKRs."
But that is in a whole different territory of
performance, just the way it handles,
the way it breaks, and just the driving.
I'm impressed.
Yeah, it's a quick bit of kit.
So we looked after them for a few customers,
and I just said to my customers,
"If you ever come to sell, please let me know.
"I'll be interested."
So they do two different types of do,
what you call the track pack,
which has got all full roll cage in it,
and two carbon seats in about no rear seats.
And then they do a touring one,
which doesn't have the rear wing.
And then they do the one that I've got,
and I've done even really know what sort of
name they put to that particular model of such.
But it's got four seats, and I thought,
"If you're gonna buy a four-door car,
you've got a four seat."
Yes, I own in the same thing.
The me personally.
It's the, 'cause they do the Julia GT-A-M.
Which is, it still has the rear doors that
you can open, but there's just a cage in there.
Yeah.
What's the point then?
Yeah, I do.
And it's
like, why do they, I know they say they do it
for taxation reasons, but like if you look at
like an XK-R, you know, why did you put those
rear seats in there?
What, you know, apparently it's to do with taxation.
two plus two.
You know, what is the point?
No one in their right mind is gonna get in there.
I mean, even when we're looking at that
Renault 5 earlier, we're talking about it.
Oh yeah, we're struggling.
With the seats for about, I was gonna say I'm
gonna break my ankle trying to get into it.
But it's, so anyway, it's got,
so I wanted the four-seater one,
which they're only allegedly so I'm told and
I, you know, I don't know the full numbers,
but in the UK, there's like 15 of them.
Right.
With four seats.
Is that the car you would keep if you had to
get rid of them all?
Or would it be the Morris Minor?
Is that a drink you want?
So, no, there is, there is a car that I own
that, I can't, I can't sell.
Is it, wait, is this the one that you're not
allowed to talk about yet?
No.
Okay.
I'm not allowed to talk about that one,
but I would sell that.
Okay.
Oh, wow, okay.
So what is the car that you wouldn't sell?
Is the, the Lister.
Is it the Lister?
Is that the?
Yeah, the 1977 XJ Cube.
Yeah.
Only because I, when I was a 16-year-old and
I turned up at the workshop,
it was there.
It was that exact car?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's cool.
So when I was 16 and I turned up at the
restoration company, there was out the front,
there was a green Koopay Lister,
which I now own, yeah.
And next to it was a Jaguar Mark II race car.
And they both belonged to a guy called Derek Pierce.
And then when my old boss retired,
Piercey then came to see me and said,
"Well, can you look after the cars?"
And then I ended up subsequently racing the
Mark II car with him.
So I've raced that extensively now.
he loans that and then I bought the Lister.
That is cool.
That's a very worthwhile car to keep.
Yeah, so I've known that car and worked on
that car since I was 16 years old.
So I can't, and it is still today,
probably one of my favorite classic cars to drive.
Also, I mean, when we saw you drive it,
we saw some lovely black marks end up behind
that, which were quite cool.
Oh, yeah.
We went for carry.
That was quite good.
I felt like I was 17 again.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, I felt like I was in an episode of Minder.
It was a little bit after daily.
It was really quite nice.
I felt like just a moustache,
go pin.
Everything went in sort of
like a scene.
Yeah.
There's a pre-somewhere ring right
around.
So, and then it's obviously the E-type,
which is--
The type, which is--
You don't want to talk about us painting me
at the moment.
Yeah.
Which is a real pain, yeah, but anyway,
I'll fix that.
But yeah, so long story short,
the engine did not end you anymore the way
to--
Yeah, it's really, I don't, I'm gonna take it
a bit, so I've got a horrible feeling that we
had a few problems with the fuel pump,
and I don't think it's an engine failure,
I think it's, well, it is an engine failure,
but I think it went lean.
Oh, wow, okay.
And I think it's nipped up on a piston.
That's what I think's happened,
'cause I pulled the spark plugs out and they
were like, "Why?"
So I know it's gone lean.
Yeah.
Oh, I think it's, so I think it's just--
Fuel pump's not happy.
Some pinks, 'cause I was thinking with a fuel
line, a fuel pump, there's an issue.
Going down the motorway at 18 miles an hour
and just in France and I think it's just
gone, I think it's just gone lean.
Well, I mean, but if there's anyone that's
gonna get the car back up and going,
it's you.
Oh no, we will.
My goal is to get it to food and fuel.
The food and fuel up the hill.
Yeah, and take it out.
You got it up the hill?
Yeah, of course so, yeah.
That's gonna be good.
That is gonna be good.
That will be around about a month.
20, no.
From when this comes out.
From when this comes out a bit about a month.
About a month away, so the other way.
It's the September, isn't it?
There is another food and fuel.
We hosted the last one, this next one.
Walsh up a little bit towards Gloucester somewhere.
I actually don't know.
Somewhere like--
I couldn't point it out on a map.
Somewhere in the country.
But there are tickets to go,
and I think there might still be some tickets
if you want to take your cars up.
So if you're a creamer who wants to take
their car up, please go ahead and grab some tickets.
There has to be somewhat cool.
Also, we have been authorized by Shellsley
Walsh to do a rolling burnout until halfway
up the track.
So I'm bringing the E55.
So we're gonna see if we can do a big old burnout.
Both cars behind us should be sort of jagged
on the left.
I don't know if you can see it,
but that's just had an exhaust,
which, well, we're gonna call it an exhaust.
It's a set of pipes.
It's a straight pipe that come out of the back.
So it sounds the same.
What way did you get them from?
That was from Horsham developments.
Oh, well, a cake on there.
They just knocked him out of the way.
Yeah, they called us and said,
"Do you want pack boxes?"
I just said, "No, no, you're all right."
And it just sounds ridiculous.
But that will go.
And also, I was spoken to Neil,
who ends the Mustang, and he'd also very much
like to take this up.
Also, that would be cool.
Oliver, who lent us the TBR Tuscan.
He's done up the hill.
Oh, really?
Yes, that's cool.
We got some cool stuff coming.
There's some really cool stuff.
We're still like in the process of finding
people on cross.
You said there might be a 918.
It might be a 918.
And there's very might be a P1.
Or a 918.
I just thought that's the same.
918 or a 918.
And 918 or a very, very loud eventable.
Yeah, perhaps a P1.
Perhaps a P1.
Perhaps a P1.
Perhaps a P1, those.
Who knows.
There are invites out there.
Yeah.
So, what else have we got on?
Alec, folks, and what's up?
Alec, folks, and what's up.
Any more interesting cars, Tom,
though?
Oh, yeah.
We don't know about that you think we might like.
Well, the L3-22 that I've got to take to
Croatia, wherever it is we're going.
This is the three litre diesel one.
Three litre diesel one, yeah.
So, I've got one of those.
Do you like
that?
No.
Good.
We add one of those, if you very early on,
TDC.
It's a great, an L3-22 is fine.
And everyone goes on about, oh,
that's a great engine.
It is a great engine, but just not in that car.
It's so slow.
It's so slow.
It's the same engine that's in Ben's X5,
but it's a difference of about 40 or 50 horsepower.
And that's noticeable in a two and a half.
I've driven X5s with those engines and then they're fine.
They're fine.
It's relatively nippy.
I drove the one that we had briefly,
and that one was, it felt like genuinely slow.
It reminded me of my three or six author,
my BMW, where it is literally your nothing's happening.
Why is nothing happening?
I cannot imagine that towing anything.
They can't even tow itself.
It's painful, isn't it?
Yeah.
Because you map it though.
And it's got a gearbox.
No, because they have different elbows,
you know this.
Yeah, yeah.
The turbos are there for something to do.
And also, well, I think the engine
and stuff can be mapped and you can upgrade
the engine blah,
blah, blah, blah, but the gearbox is GM and
is making
cheese.
Yeah.
So we don't do pre-2005 Range Rover.
Really?
Yeah, basically.
That's because that was when the diagnostics joined up.
Oh, interesting.
So before that Range Rover wasn't owned by
Ford, was it Ford?
Yeah, Range Rover, Ford Ford Ford,
Range Rover, which I think, can't remember
who owned Range Rover before,
can't remember.
I'm from the head.
But anyway, they had a different platform for
diagnostics with P38s and all that sort of stuff.
So which we don't have.
And then when it went JLR, when it really
actually merged and the technology merged,
we could only have one piece of diagnostic
equipment, fixes both cars.
Interesting.
And that's 2005 onwards.
So that is why I don't do pre-2005
rangeovers, 'cause I don't want to mess
around with that diagnostics.
Fair.
So if you're a pre-2005 JLR owner and you
want someone to work on your car.
Feels a December 2004 car touch.
So that Range Rover I've got is 2003.
So you can't work on it yourself?
No, you're working on it.
I can't, I've spoken to Tom in there.
Yeah, I touch it, sorry.
Yeah, I can fix them.
Well, it's just more trouble than it's worth.
We've got nothing going on anyway.
So yeah, there's the Range Rover.
Well, this is obviously got a Range Rover.
That's obviously a little bit newer,
that one funnily enough.
That's the 4.4 V8 one, which is diesel one diesel.
Yeah, great car that is.
Do you wanna think, is there any other cars?
You wouldn't know about that 'cause you've
switched to electric cars now.
Yeah, I've got electric, yeah,
just an EV man now.
Sandal wearing slip-flop man.
XK8 convertible, it's just bought.
Oh, I've forgotten about the MX5.
Yeah, I do, yeah.
That was one of the most, that and finding
out that you're a cyclist are two of my
shocks of this year.
I am
definitely, I was, you know,
MX5, hair, dresses, car,
bloody hell, what would you want to own one
of them for?
You know, it's just, you know,
load of rubbish, you know, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
I wouldn't even consider ever looking at one,
let alone buying one, until I got offered one dirt cheap.
I was six or seven years ago.
I paid 400 pounds of my MX5.
Is that car being sat there for six or seven years?
What, the MX5?
Yeah, we know, we use it.
Okay.
Every day.
Okay, but it's been outside for seven years.
Yeah.
Okay, interesting.
And they're still limited on it?
Yeah.
Okay.
(all laughing)
Just checking, you know, the structural
rigidity of it.
I've had to weld it up.
Oh, okay.
(all laughing)
I've done the seals at the back and then
there's a bit on the front that goes.
We've done all of that.
Okay, cool, that makes sense.
But in actual fact, that wasn't bad when we
first bought it.
The only thing that was wrong with it was it
had a couple of dents in it and someone had
slashed the roof and slashed the tires.
So I thought to myself, 400 quid a bite,
stick set of tires on it with a little bit of
paint, we'll flip it for like 1250 quid or whatever.
Yeah.
You know, at the time.
And then I started driving and I was like,
can't sell it.
Ooh, I could see myself in this.
(all laughing) It's funny you should say that.
(all laughing) It was, but it's the 1800 one
and that engine's so revving and great.
It's brilliant.
I was like, I was blown away.
I was like, I cannot believe how good this thing is.
Now, you let me know if you want me to come
around and whack a turbo on that,
'cause I've done that a few times.
So they go much better.
Yeah, I know, but see, now, funnily enough,
my son wanted to do that.
He's not into cars with James,
right?
But him and his mate go, oh yeah,
you can buy a turbo kit for that.
And James is like, oh, can I have the MX-5
then and we'll turbo it and all this sort of stuff.
And I'm like, no, you want me to buy a turbo,
get fitted and then you wanna drive it.
I just, I go on the theory that the chassis
is so short and all the rest of it,
you're just gonna put too much power for it
and you're gonna ruin it.
Nah.
Well, I'm the opposite side of it for it
because I believe that standard MX-5s are
God's worst gifts to this earth.
I hate them and they can only be made better
by doing that sort of stuff.
Why is that?
What, can I ask that?
I actually never ask this.
Why do you actually not like them?
'Cause if you drive anything comparable to
them, especially for the money,
now, when they're worth as much as they are,
there are so many better options out there.
Floppy and slow and whack and shit.
But even back when they're 1,000 pounds?
Yes.
Really?
For 1,000 pounds you go out and buy an E36
through on AIS, you go out and buy an MR2 SW20.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but, I don't know,
wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa.
No, Ben's asking me why.
I'm interested 'cause I, Ben's asked me why I
don't like them, and it's for that reason I
don't like them.
'Cause Edwin's very strong about that.
I've actually never actually asked him why he
doesn't like them that much.
But the biggest reason I hate them is because
of the people that own them.
Because the people that own them go,
well, they're the best thing in the world.
All I've done is suspension under turbo and wheels.
Yeah, you're talking about a modified car now.
Yeah, yeah, but my car is completely standard.
I've done nothing.
No, it's your standard one.
It's not shit.
It's standard ones I can actually kind of understand.
I've only ever driven, well,
I understand the turbo one.
It's faster.
I can't actually believe I'm sat here
defending an MX-5
owner.
I remember driving a Mark III MX-5 completely
standard and being quite surprised.
And it's not amazing.
It's not, the performance isn't amazing.
And it's not, it's not handsome.
It's handling like it's on rails,
but there is something, something nice to
drive about it.
But the only other thing I've driven is a Mark I.
We drove that over my two and a
half.
You remember?
You drove that.
And I did quite like that.
He did.
Yeah.
'Cause I can't speak on a Mark III.
I don't know, I've never actually driven or
owned one of those.
But Mark I's and twos, I just think of whack.
I remember thinking it was, it would be nice
if it had ever so slightly more power.
Like sort of like, like, like,
hot hatch power.
They're like, what, 150 or whatever.
Is that all 146?
The other thing I like about the MX-5 is,
if, it's just that I've driven it away when
I've got the roof down, which most of the
time I drive it is when the roof is down,
'cause otherwise it's just, what's the point?
Yeah.
It's the only convertible car that I've ever
owned, that when I'm sat in a,
sat in my living room, watching TV or at my
dinner, whatever, and I notice it starts
raining outside that I don't care.
You don't care.
I don't care.
(laughs)
But that is, I just think well,
you know.
That's why I kept mine, because it was the
first car I learnt to work on.
Everything is battered, like it is ruined by
me, but that's why I love it,
'cause I don't have to care.
How many times will I slip that into a ditch?
Many, many times, but that's the best part of it.
If I do that on my M3, I'm upset.
It's the cult following around.
Again, I don't mind the actual car of the
MX-5, I can understand it in standard form
and in modified form, but the problem is,
there's the standard form people that are
like, you can't get a better car on this,
and they don't tell you there is not worth
earning anything other than an MX-5,
which is wrong.
You get the modified one.
I would say they're clearly blinkered at this point.
There is the owner's club thing where it's
like, this is the car I have chosen.
I mean, we do have a Jaguar specialist on the end.
But see, this is the thing I like,
with car culture, everyone would expect me to
like, oh no, it's Jaguar's, it's possibly this.
But well, why wouldn't I like a,
you know, I don't know, a Porsche or an MX-5?
There's no point in the typecasting yourself
into a single manufacturer.
No, no, just because there's so many other
cool cars out there.
The raunchy is the spice.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah,
no, I think you can, you know,
you are allowed, you are allowed to like other things.
Agreed.
Agreed.
I'll just take it later.
See, I like it.
It's the sign on the door, currently.
I actually like now it's life.
But that's because you have a personal
connection to them, you're that one.
Yeah, that's completely fair.
That's the first somewhat interesting car
I've experienced, but it's, it's,
I call it them, they're quite cool.
Hey, fair enough.
Yeah.
I'm just, I'm speaking my truth.
That doesn't mean they're good,
though.
No.
But I do call it them.
It's not like they're, again,
they're not the fastest or, but the only
thing I gleaned from the MX-5 that I drove is
that I drove it on a track and I could drive
it at absolute max 10.
Yeah.
And I was, I was never out of control and it
was, it was a good way to learn that sort of thing.
But again, it's, you don't get out of it,
you're not breaking any records in it,
it's just good fun.
Yeah, that's the one thing.
It's hot hatching nature, but in,
you know, sort of real drive sports car for,
it's an old British sports car.
Yeah, that's the one thing I would agree that
the, the turbo loses out then on,
is you cannot then, because it's like the
Honda beat, you can beat the ever-loving shit
out of that, and you're never breaking the
law, and you're fine, or as a turbo MX-5,
you can get into trouble.
So your turbo MX-5 now, has it got like super
lag on it?
Yeah, no, it's like the TVR.
It's built for that, because I like that.
If you buy a TVO4, and you go a little bit
smaller, you can make it.
So you see, the trouble is with what,
as I told you this the other day,
we did this with a VXR.
Yeah, if you go too crazy with a turbo,
it's like, and you do go on track,
or even on the road, even on a damp road,
you go around a corner, and you start putting
your foot down, and you're like,
oh, it's gonna come, it's gonna come on,
I need to get out of this corner,
or at least pass the apex before that turbo
kicks in, otherwise I'm in the ditch.
Yeah, no, I love that.
That's my favorite thing.
Really?
But that's what, that is again,
a thing I will give the MX-5,
that is a beauty of one.
You can build it to whatever you want.
If you wanna stick an LSVA in it,
they make kits for it.
If you wanna do an ITB, if you wanna make it
off-road, people make something for
everything for it, that, I think,
is that there is worth in building an MX-5.
I just don't like the model very much.
They're so rarely modified tastefully.
That is, again, that's my gripe with it.
Whoa, look at Alex's.
But I think that's usually because they tend
to be people's first foray into modifying a car.
It's the only thing they can ensure,
it's the only real-wheel drive thing someone
can ensure, that's what stuff.
I'd be yours as one of the first.
I don't think, well...
I don't think you ever did anything about it.
They were pretty, they were not great.
But I reckon you could get away with it with
the way it was sat and that kind of thing.
Yeah, but with the comparatives and stuff,
that was...
What you'll really say is you can forgive
them for getting it wrong.
Absolutely, we've said it before,
I think.
Anyone that is into cars, your first few
years, you're gonna build something shit,
you're gonna build something that you look back on.
Yeah, I know, yeah.
That was not great.
If you're 40 and building that.
Yeah, then it's tough, then that's tough.
Which actually brings me on to a little
anecdote thing I had, which was I wanna do,
we might wanna bring this in every few weeks.
Is an automotive would you rather?
So Tom, for you, I give you the two options.
Would you?
You can either have an old person at a car
show talking to you about their replica car
endlessly, and they're telling you about how
it's the real deal, even though you know it's
very clearly a replica.
It's one of those 250 GTOs built on a Z3,
it's tough.
Or you can have a person in front of you on
the motorway who slows down to around 62,
63 miles an hour through every gantry,
each, and you can't get past them.
They are stuck in the fast lane no matter what.
Which one would you prefer?
I'll just get stuck here on the car.
Yeah, you can't deal with
the person talking to you?
I'd have to
tell him.
Yeah.
Did you know what I mean?
I can't, you know, it's like even Adam at
work says sometimes my filter's just all wrong.
I'm just like, particularly if you,
it's why I, when four rooms first became a
thing that's kind of like when I was sort of
like in the early days of the business I
thought, oh, it'll be good for the business.
I'll go on there, I'll do the four rooms and
I'll try and give people advice and help,
you know?
And then there's always somebody telling you
that you're wrong and I'm like,
I know I'm not wrong.
What do you mean, you know?
And I'm like, and I'll get really quiet,
you know, wound up by it.
And I think, right, that's what I'm just not
doing this anymore.
It's just ridiculous, you know?
How can you tell me, you know,
how that works.
I know it works, you know?
And I just get really sad.
So when you've got someone there that's,
you know, I've been to a lot of car shows and
I've seen a, you know, I've seen a lot of
fields and listened to a lot of chat.
I've seen a lot of fields is actually a great
quote for cars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's, yeah, yeah.
And I'm probably my tolerance for it as
probably worn away a little bit.
Do you just hit me with like,
Oh, okay.
And then just start to try and edge off.
You try and walk it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, look, look, look, the exact thing that
you'll describe being has happened to me a lot.
You know, I mean, you are in Jaguar.
Yeah.
At least when I'm in Jaguar world.
So like, if we go to, you know,
the, the concourse shows and stuff like that.
So I used to do a lot of concourse stuff,
like, you know, like really big time into it.
And we won, you know, we did,
we did very, very well at it,
you know, but oh my God, some of the people
that do it, you know, there,
there is something wrong with them.
Me and my mate Max and Lee that used to do
it, you know, we would have a laugh with it.
It was good fun.
You know, we'd, we'd rip each other and some
of them are just sort of, why,
why do you take it that seriously and that,
you know, it's like your life depends on it,
you know, and, you know, it's like,
oh, you, you know, you do realize that that's
the wrong jubilee clip on that hose,
don't you?
And I'm like, yeah, but it's,
it's not leaking, is it?
You know, it's like, and, and,
you know, it can become all consuming.
Yeah.
You know, and it's just, and it was,
you know, like, I've always,
one of my customers always wanted to get a
car to Pebble Beach, you know,
and we, you know, we kind of sort of like
something that we still want to do.
Yeah.
It's, but you have to be very dedicated to.
Oh, yeah.
But these people are petrified of driving the thing.
Oh, no, you can't
drive it.
No, no, no, you can't drive it.
No, no, no, no,
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no, silly.
You must be trailer there.
I must be trailer there.
We were trailer than there.
I must put the mirrors under the rear.
Yeah, you can see the other carats.
Three miles from wherever we got to go.
Because the rule of the Concorde stuff that
we did, yeah, they had to be driven to the event.
We didn't say how far.
Yeah.
So we would literally trailer them,
not far from the event.
And then we'd get there and then we'd jack
the thing up, right?
And then we'd take all four wheels off,
we'd clean the inside of the wheels and clean
all the underneath.
And we had a routine where every winter,
the suspension would come out year one,
right?
And then you change every single plate and
that unbolt, du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du.
And this is when we're doing the V12 one.
And then the next winter, we'd do all the
stuff under the bonnet.
Every switching every year.
Yeah.
And I had spare plated pipes and all of these
bits and pieces that I'd have to swap around.
So I pretty much had two of everything so
that we didn't lose too much workshop time.
So I could literally, I could bring the car
in, drop the suspension out,
swap all the plated bits over,
and then we'd do the stuff under the bonnet.
And then if we got to this thing,
what was called Champion of Champions,
which was like, it was invitation only it was
always held up at the NEC and it was
considered like the Jaguar Concourse thing.
I've been five or six times and
I've come second five or six times and it's
like, you know, always the bridesmaid,
never the brides.
And then you go
there the next year and you haven't got,
you haven't qualified that year or you
haven't done the right shows to go.
And then there'll be, you know,
the five or six cars in there,
what I would describe as substandard and then
a car that was nowhere near as good as ours
would then walk away with it and I'd be like,
God, I can't believe it.
We picked the wrong year again,
you know, and because we would be doing,
but then we'd done, it was called all ugly.
I think it's McGuire's now.
The big concourse thing is run by McGuire's,
we used to be all ugly.
So we won the all ugly in quite a few times.
So okay, so you were in those circles then?
Oh, yeah, yeah, we were right up there,
yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, what are you choosing about in that instance?
I'd choose the driving one, but I would drive
into the back of the person.
Which ever one is the violin option.
Yeah.
Or that person and just tell them exactly
what's going on.
We thought of that, or you thought of that,
because we were looking at, there was an
auction however long ago, and there was a Z3
that was meant to look like a DB4 Zagato or
something like that.
And it obviously wasn't.
The interior was dire.
It was a Z3 with some retramed bits in it.
But in the middle of that--
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
But in the middle of the dash,
like card holder, and they were printed out
cards with pictures of the car on it,
and it said above it, please take a card.
And it's like, did you--
I know that--
No, we just went online, but I wanna know
what was on it, but I know what it'll be.
It was the end, they kind of ended up--
Built in 1962, the Fast and Madam,
you know, it isn't.
It's not what it is.
It's the Z3 with a 1.9 probably.
I'm completely fine with if your goal is to
own an unobtainium car, you want to build a
replica of that car.
I get it, completely fine.
But why are you then being like,
come and look at this car, it's not it.
It's fine that you like it and you want it,
but don't try and make me think it is.
Don't force me in, 'cause it's not how it is.
It's not how it is.
It's knocking door to door and go,
have you seen--
You see my replicator, if you picked up the million pump.
Well, people who want to do what they want to
do, but it's--
So would you, you know, are you not very good
at driving down the motorway where people are
being a little bit woolly?
Can you not just sort of like back off and
just go and teach you know what?
It depends on the car.
I am better now, actually.
I would say I'm better now.
You reformed,
but I do a lot of undertaking.
But undertaking's not
illegal.
I think it might be.
(all laughing)
I
was under the impression that undertaking is not illegal.
Under the understanding.
As Mr.
Officer, I was under the understanding that I
could do this.
Like if someone's going, you're less than the
speed limit and then you're not breaking the
speed limit and you just go past them on the inside lane.
That is undertaking.
Which is undertaking, yes.
I do not believe that that is illegal.
You might not believe it.
(all laughing)
Well, I can't believe it.
I don't think they do you for undertaking.
I think that--
No.
They do you drive a vacuum care attention or
dangerous driving or something like that.
If you're not being a penis about it,
if someone is being quite clearly doing 55
and they're not moving out the way and
they've got space, and you as who slowly go
around them, I don't think they're gonna
throw the book at you.
I was driving down the motorway the other day
and it did actually, I haven't seen this before.
It did say don't hog the middle layer.
Yeah, I love it.
And I was like, I've not seen that.
Yeah.
And I was like, did you see--
Did you see anyone make a conscious effort to do it?
It was like an advert for it.
I was driving and there was someone,
a long way ahead, I haven't got up to them yet.
And as they got to the sign up in the
distance, I watched the move over into the layer.
It was amazing.
I was so pleased to see that.
Yeah.
Because I think are in this country,
are lane hogging or driving etiquette in that
respect is terrible.
Oh, we're rubbish.
We are really, really bad.
You can tell Tom hasn't listened to the Cream
Podcast before, 'cause that's basically what
we talk about every
year.
Yeah, but if you go to France or into Europe,
It's so good.
They understand the difference between the
fact being an absolute arse and using the road popular.
The fact that they are taught to have the
indicator on, to remind them that they are
they are overtaking, they are not sitting in a lane.
They are, is that why they do that?
I believe it.
I believe it, what my dad told me,
and they do that in Holland as well sometimes,
rarely.
In France, it's to say, you're not,
you're not sitting in a lane.
I just thought they were all really
forgetful, just to suffer.
They're from there, they were forgetful.
French music on, man.
He said, you could talk good.
Yeah, 'cause it's, 'cause you're not,
it's not a lane, it's not a driving lane,
it's an overtaking lane.
Yeah, yeah.
You're there to overtaking the move back in.
It's great.
The amount of times that I've been late for
the channel tunnel, and simply due to the
fact that people understand,
you can still drive the speed limit and make up time.
You have to be incredible.
You have to be a criminal here to do that.
You have to break the law in order to drive
efficiently in this country.
I think the only place you can undertake
legally is in an average speed check and on a slip road.
So have you actually looked this up?
Yes, I did, yeah.
Okay, I'm fairly sure that was,
as far as I'm aware, someone will know
probably, but it's average speed checks.
You can undertake, obviously within,
you can't just do 90s for it,
but if someone's in a, because I don't think
you're meant to change lanes in like a 50 mile.
So what you're saying is, is you can
undertake in an average speed camera area.
Yeah, 'cause it's normally like 50 or 60 miles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you say you could
potentially get done for speeding if you're
going too fast, but you won't get done for undertaking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
And on a slip road, which makes sense,
'cause if there's traffic on the motorway,
(laughs)
I can't go past that.
I simply couldn't.
But yeah, undertaking is, I get it,
'cause there have been times where I've seen
someone undertaking me, and I've gone to
undertake, and then someone else is
undertaking, but I didn't spot them because
they're in your blind spot.
So I was driving down the motorway a couple
of days ago, and it was, I think,
described it as surfing.
I don't know, I don't really understand,
but basically this guy was just weaving around.
Oh, yeah, crazy.
Like fishing.
(laughs)
I've heard surfing say before,
that's what they call it in New York.
Yeah, he was flat out, I mean,
he was really going for it, and I thought,
oh my God, this is gonna get messy in a minute.
It is crazy.
Oh, I don't hear.
And there was a cut of them.
Really, just.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, once one went in,
then they went back.
Were they all in one series,
BMWs?
No, no, they were, I think it was a BMW actually.
Lots of them.
Yeah, it was a free series, sorry.
I was a free series.
Yeah, yeah, so that checks out.
Yeah, wild.
What else were you doing?
I have some more questions for Tom.
You've put in your quad pipes or what?
Quad pipes, this is just a quick aside.
Okay, early 2000s, I remember when the E46 M3
came out, thinking a six cylinder car with
quad exhaust, that can't run,
that doesn't feel right.
Quad exhausts are for things with the eight,
V10s, V12s.
Okay.
Recently, I saw this that is a mini
countryman, JCW, with quad pipes from factory.
That is what a four cylinder,
three cylinder, I don't know.
And then, I mean, kind of related,
same thing, UBMW1 Series M135I.
Quad pipes.
You know what, I believe, you know what,
I believe broke this trend.
What's that?
It's the Golf R.
That's true.
'Cause he actually can't think of something
off the top of my head, I'm sure there will
be before that, that didn't.
Yeah.
'Cause I remember the Golf R came,
obviously there was a Golf R,
which was twin, like an R2, two tailpipes.
Two tailpipes, cool, fine.
So what is it you object to?
It's too many pipes.
You don't have the balls to back up the pipes.
A quad pipe should mean you have V8,
V10 noise.
'Cause I have a six pack.
Exactly.
There's something wrong about a four
cylinder, but yeah, when you said that,
a Golf R does have four quad pipes now,
and I don't feel that bad about it.
It kind of differentiates it from a GTI,
so there's that thing.
Yeah.
Whereas that just feels, there's no reason
for that to have four pipes.
Also, MCAR, I've got all fine,
whatever, do what you like.
MCARs with quad pipes, that's it.
You can't go putting quad pipes on your one
series M3, whatever that is.
Yeah, it should be a one-air mone.
Yeah.
But I don't know, I just saw,
I saw the countryman, I thought that's not allowed.
Four pipes on a mini countryman,
straight, I'm not allowed.
I don't get that.
I think the one series, they're quite sort of
like, you know, hitting a young cool marker,
aren't they?
Okay, yeah.
So I kind of get it, 'cause it's a star.
But the countryman though?
It's a starling thing, isn't it?
Well, I guess that's what they're going for.
They're going for the ultimate drivers.
The Cersei drivers who are like,
"Yeah, I might pick up a country."
But they're not gonna buy that,
aren't they?
I know.
So now, I kind of see where you're going
from, you know, on this point of view.
You know, a mini, a mini should have a single
little P-shooter, just a little crooked
angle, just like a original mini.
I just love the way that you take real
offense to it.
It's great.
I really do.
It's like, oh, he's really quite,
it's really quite annoyed him.
I was driving on the motor this morning,
Why do you have it?
Sometimes it's nice to have no tailpipes.
On my Range Rover, I have no desire to have
tailpipes, yet there are lots of Range Rover
owners who are like, I need for a source.
Yeah.
And it looks bad.
And it looks bad.
And I'm like, I'm talking more like luxury or comfort.
See, I don't understand, and blinging up a
Range Rover like that.
You know, I know lots of people like the
overfinches and all that sort of stuff.
I don't get it.
No.
I just sort of think, well, why would,
you know, what's the point in having a,
a luxury four by four, which is supposed to
be comfy and wafty down the road and all
that, and then stick 23 inch wheels on it
and, you know, and slam it.
Yeah, yeah, I just kind of defeats the object
at the point of a thing.
Of a thing, yeah, yeah.
But then I also think the manufacturers are
just as,
Well, I think, I think that's the thing.
Back now.
The manufacturers watch people going out and
buying the kits and going, well,
we might as well make the money off this.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's make our car look dumb.
So, you know, don't we, a Range Rover,
sport, SVR, five litre supercharged is a very cool car.
And they've got like bucket type seats and
like, it's very, very, very cool,
you know, but you drive it down the road,
you know, I wouldn't daily my project eight
because it's quite a harsh, you know,
it's not terrible, but it's quite a harsh car,
yeah.
And the same reason why I wouldn't buy an SVR
Range Rover because it's for people from Birmingham.
Exactly.
It's not comfortable.
It's a bit, it's also that it's to show offs Range Rover.
Not that a Range Rover is like that subtle
and devastated, but you can be,
there is an element of taste or class with a
Range Rover that an SVR absolutely demolishes
it in every way.
So do you drive a Range Rover because you
feel as if it lifts your profile?
Is that what you're saying?
No, I like it because I think they are
actually very good cars.
But I do also quite like the fact
that I feel like a Royal, or at least a
driver of a Royal.
Do you drive down a road going?
That's fantastic.
Let
me go, thank you very much.
It's just a brilliant car.
There's a brilliant car.
I agree with that.
Many of you will disagree, but we've got Tom
on the podcast and he just confirmed it.
I want to talk about Mate Remak.
Sure.
Here's one I made earlier.
This is, again, this is a video from a little while back.
Do you know who this is?
No.
Interesting.
Not a Remak is?
Sorry?
Not a Remak is?
No.
How do you think it might be to do with
shaving legs, Remak, but the actual Remak?
Do you read "Mamak"?
Do you read "Mamak"?
Is that not the same thing?
Do you mean "The Manscaped Bull"?
Not sponsor.
Remak is, well, Mattie Remak is CEO of Remak,
which is electric car company.
They make ridiculous--
That's why I don't know about it.
Yeah, but I mean, they are quite insane.
It's a 2000 horsepower.
I think one of them just did a ridiculous
record, the Navarro or whatever.
Anyway, they now own or part own whatever,
Bugatti.
Oh, okay.
So they are currently working on the new
Bugatti, which is a V16 Tourbillon,
but Top Gear just did a video with Remak.
And Remak is a bit of a young prodigy seat,
I want to say he's probably still in his 20s.
And out of interest, what do you think you would drive?
What's the date?
He's like a CEO type thing of a--
CEO of Bugatti, an electric car manufacturer,
Remak.
Anything, do you think you would drive
anything interesting?
You would think so.
I suspect he's, you're going to tell me it's
something, you're going to run around in a
sack cell or something.
Well, I mean, here you go.
So Top Gear, I mean, will you,
you know, the headline stats from before,
but Top Gear, we've got a very good video.
It's, and he 46M through CSL.
Would you have two off?
Other headlines.
For RGT, a E39M5, not, I mean,
it's not, it's not a high mileage one.
It's quite a, it's a nice one.
No, it uses it.
But no means like a show car.
And the basic, most of these kind of,
he said some of these is his friends,
like a Z4M.
He's got a beat all day in there.
He's got all sorts of bits and bobs and he,
and he drives an R32 Golf.
Yeah, the R32 Golf was, it didn't surprise me
the most, but it was like, it's just a blue R32 Golf.
So there's nothing that like special about
it, but he's just, so he's got some quite
normal
But that's, I don't know, compared to what I
saw the other day, which was a,
it was the official BMW plate that's been
owned by BMW for quite some time.
So I believe it's a CLO, CEO of the UK or MD,
sorry, being driven around in the rear of a seven series.
Come on, man.
You are in control of BMW M.
Do something like this.
There's also, as a clip in this video,
where they, I think they're going elsewhere,
so they go out on a RIMAC.
Well, firstly, Maté asks him which way the
camera's facing, and he says,
"Oh, he's only facing into us."
And he went, "Okay, good."
So he wants to go and do some speed,
and then he just doesn't donut them a car park.
So he's one of the coolest CEOs,
because again, he's into cars.
And even he admits that people are not up
taking electric cars.
And that's why the Bugatti, the new Bugatti
is going to have this ridiculous,
it's Cosworth engine.
The, I want to say it's a V16 now.
Is it a high revving, ridiculous horsepower?
It's a little bit lighter.
But it's actually a really, really interesting video.
And you can tell that RIMAC,
he's a CEO, but he knows what he's talking about.
He hasn't been given a spec list and gone,
and this is the car.
He's just a, he's a dream podcast guest,
I think.
So, how long have they been building before?
I mean, it's they shifted and the rest of it.
Of RIMAC?
Yeah.
Or a Bugatti.
No, no, no.
RIMAC's been around since, what,
2010, 2012?
RIMAC's been around, oh, well,
words.
RIMAC has been around for a while.
Yeah.
But even in this video, he admits that they
haven't sold as many as they wanted to.
They said they've sold a good amount and
there isn't an expensive car,
but he's not that bothered by it,
'cause he said that the work that they put
into RIMAC is now what they now put into,
but they sell to most manufacturers for sort
of hybrid and battery tech.
Yeah, yeah.
Some manufacturers they can't even talk about
because they're not allowed to mention it yet.
So, he's a bit of a needle mask,
isn't he's what you're saying?
Yeah, I actually met him.
And years ago, when we worked at Car
Throttle, me and Evian, who we used to work
with, we went down to, I think it was Barclay
Square somewhere, and they had a concept
version of one of these RIMACs,
and we met him.
I wanna say he was in his early 20s at the
time, which is insane to me.
And there's a few bits he talked about there
and whatever else, but I'm fairly sure he
built a, he took an E30, he was younger as a
teen and converted it to electric.
And yeah, sorry, but he's just quite interesting.
But normally when you get someone like that,
they're sort of electric, that's all they
want to do, it's electric.
He also has an interest in...
Yeah, well, then it goes back to all of the petrol head.
You are allowed to like other stuff.
Exactly.
You don't have to...
You haven't got to be one thing.
Yeah, like I said, you don't have to have the
blinkers on in your, you know.
It's perfect, it's funny.
Yeah, sorry, I was just doing quickly a bit of research.
One of the first things he built after his
E30 was an electric VXT 20.
Wow.
And I've just noticed there's a bit of damage
here on the left light, which means he's got
no lens like your car.
Oh, man.
So you and Matta, you've got stuff to talk
about, look, we can get him on,
we're relatable.
(laughs) Anyone listens to the podcast,
the next post he has on Instagram.
Spam the living hell out.
We need to get his
attention.
He's got a book.
Do you think he'll remember you
from all those years ago?
No, not at all.
We were in a room
of a million different journalists,
probably asking the same questions over and over again.
But yeah, he's...
I just wanted to, because it's a cool video.
Very cool.
Go and watch it.
Go and watch it.
Go and watch it.
Right, the Renault 5 that I've got,
we mentioned earlier that we have from Renault.
It has a funny feature that you may have seen.
It is quite quirky inside.
It's very retro, but it has an AI feature that we...
I'm going to say we've abused it.
We have...
We took it out to lunch for the first time today.
And actually, you mentioned it.
I'd forgotten about it.
Yeah.
It doesn't have the AI thing.
Because there's a clip of Johnny Smith and
Radio DJ Greg James talking about it back at the launch.
I thought, "Oh, I wonder if it still has it?"
Looked up on Google.
Yes, you just have to say, "Hey,
Renault, which we were saying Reno."
Yes, but it did understand us.
It did understand it.
And we pushed it to its limits and we have
realised there are certain things it won't do.
But there are many things it will do.
We spent...
I'm going to say it's about 40 minutes.
About 40 minutes in the car.
No music at all.
We didn't do any music.
We were just asking the AI questions.
We'd say, "Hey, Renault, can you do this sum for me?"
Or, "Well, what do we have to do?"
Well, one of the best ones was,
"Can you tell us a story about a bald man in
Jamaican-Patois in the accident of Jamaican-Patois?"
And it did it.
It won't do the accent.
I think it's a bit touchy, but it will speak
as if it's...
Anything phallic doesn't want to do it.
It will say, "I can't do that."
But, Ben, you managed to get around it by saying...
You tend to...
Yeah, medical terms it's happy with.
Robin asked about a fart earlier,
and he said, "Flatulence."
Okay.
And that worked as well.
Yeah.
It also quite likes if you just ask it to say
things back multiple times, it will do that.
So, Ben got it saying the word "egg" perhaps.
15 times.
And beans was said a lot as well.
Yeah, lots of beans.
But it will just do anything you ask it to.
Anything you ask it to.
And before this, I was asking Tom,
do you use AI for it?
I don't understand that.
Well, Tom briefly saw it earlier.
I liked the Renault 5, by the way.
Even I was like, "I like this as a car.
It's quite cool."
But, yeah, me and AI, I was just like,
"You're not mates yet."
No.
You know, it's one of those things that are
potentially that we may be using it for
something, but I just wouldn't know.
Yeah.
You could be AI yourself.
You know, who knows.
Yeah.
You know, I just was at home.
Yeah.
I'm just, you know, I don't do this dump or cost.
Yes.
Yeah.
I struggle with, no, I don't struggle with technology.
That's not true.
But, you know, I'm also probably at a stage
where I don't really want to learn anything new.
No, I can't be asked.
Yeah.
Well, what you said earlier about just
sending clips of you recording your PC
monitor, you messaged me and asked for to
check out a Kafka vertical.
So I did that, sent it to you.
The immediate response to that was a clip,
which was a video of you racing,
which I noticed was you filming your screen.
Yeah, it sounds right.
Yeah.
Not the most tech savvy, but I guess you
don't need to be.
No, no, no, no.
I'm just, no, man, this is easy.
Yeah.
You need to know people who are tech savvy.
Yeah, that's it.
You know, if you're not good at something,
let's just get someone else to do it.
It's fine.
You know, I'll just get on with what you're good at.
Bro, there's a, I've got a link.
So we actually got DM'd this by a gentleman
the other day who said, "I was watching an
old episode of Wheeler dealers."
And round of me enough, I was on an old Jaguar X-K8.
I was reading this question.
I was like, "What are we talking about?"
So I clicked the link.
And there it is.
There's a young Tom Lenthel in this video.
That was a few years ago.
2009, 2010.
Yeah, cool, crumbs up old XJS.
Yeah, it would have been about 2010,
2011 talks.
It was about 15 years ago.
The funny thing was there was the guy that messaged it.
I wish I had his name.
He messaged the TDC account and said,
"Yeah, there's a young Tom Lenthel in a
Wheeler dealers episode."
He said just the episode.
I remembered, because when I lived in South
Africa, the only real car program that they
had on TV was reruns of Wheeler dealers.
And I remembered vividly.
I already knew the episode, meaning I was
just in Africa.
was just watching Tom Lenthel as a child.
Look at this guy.
In about 10 to 15 years, that man's going to abuse me.
Look how slim I was there to Jesus Christ.
So was that your first media,
in what do you call it, appearance?
Yes, it probably was.
Yeah, definitely.
And was it a bit random?
Did they just ring you up and say,
"Yeah, we just need some parts.
Can we come film you?"
It was weird because they'd already bought
the parts off of someone else,
right?
Oh, interesting.
No, this is, I can tell you,
it doesn't really matter now because it's
such a long time ago.
So back then, Wheeler Dealers was run by a
company called AtaboyTV, which is the production company.
And they had bought these parts from one of
my suppliers who was up north,
but they didn't have time to do filming.
So then they said, "Oh, well,
Tom's near you.
Give Tom a ring, he'll blah,
blah, blah, blah."
And that's what happened, right?
But then it subsequently turned out that do
you remember that there used to be a guy
called Paul that would always get up out there?
Yeah, Paul Brackley.
Yeah.
So I know him because he lives just down the road.
So I've known him for years.
He's the guy who never speaks at all.
Yeah, he can speak.
I promise you.
So then we helped them out with that.
So we basically got them out of trouble
because they, the filming thing all went up.
So they said to me, "Oh, you know,
do you do exhaust?
You do this.
You do that."
So I said, "Yeah, yeah, I've got it all setters."
And then they came down and we,
when we did the filming, yeah,
it was quite but that took, this is the
difference between doing stuff with YouTube.
I had to shut the workshop down for a whole
day for that.
Really?
The whole day.
The whole day, right?
And then what happened was then,
I think they messed a bit of the footage up.
I don't know why, and then they had to come
back and they had to film again.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
And he's going, "Oh, have you still got all
the same cars there?"
And, you know, it was a way to sort of set it up.
So, you know, it looked similar.
It looked similar, and I had to wear the same
clothes and all that products.
Yeah, but it was all, it was all complete rubbish.
I didn't sell a benefit.
Breaking news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I reeked on TDC bump up a few years later.
But then, 'cause we kind of got on with it,
then they did, they did a few other jags.
They did a Mark II jag and they did a coupe.
And all those cars ended up coming to the
workshop and we helped them out.
Interesting.
Did you see a boost from that ever?
Or was it an area of sale?
Day.
Right, so this is literally the phone lit up.
Really?
It went bonkers.
Right, so they came to me, it was about,
it was a grill that I had at an exhaust system.
Yeah.
I sold so many exhausts.
Really?
It was just
bonkers.
And it was just, 'cause don't forget,
there wasn't really the outlets that you have today.
Yeah.
So, you know, like you say, if you were a car
nerd and you wanted to watch content,
you literally, you had, you know,
top gear, fifth gear, wheel of deal,
you know,
Yeah.
But you're limited, you know?
Yeah.
And most of us didn't really,
no, I wouldn't spend money on Sky TV,
so I could see wheel of dealings,
you know, they, someone had to record it for
me and put on a CD so I could watch,
you know, so, but then the next,
I think it was about, must have been about
three weeks later, I'm a car show,
a Jag, you know, car show, so,
and then that was when I, it freaked me out,
because everyone's like, oh,
that's the bloke off of, you know,
and that's the first time when I actually
realized I was like, oh, that's,
this is a bit weird, you know,
I didn't feel a bit.
I'm looking famous.
Well, it's not even, no, he said,
I've got no desire to be like famous famous,
I'd
find that quite scary.
Yeah.
Where you literally walk down the high street
or whatever and you can't, I don't like that.
No.
I don't, you know, I don't mind doing the car
stuff, it's all right, you know,
it's a bit of a laugh, isn't it?
But yeah, I wouldn't, wouldn't have had that
kind of,
Yeah, you know, within your circles.
Yeah, I've always, I've always wanted to be,
you know, I'll say, no sort of,
no, just, just, you know, people know me for
being able to do my job well.
You know, that's, I've always wanted,
I've sort of like, craved that sort of,
yeah, yeah, you know, notoriety or whatever,
you know, for being a good mechanic
basically, you know, but as for any other
reason, well, you know, not really,
you know, not secondly.
Ben, you would have been seven when that
program came out, two dozen mine.
Yeah.
That's a crazy one.
A young boy.
A young boy, Ben.
Where else we got?
Anything else?
There's a couple more questions for Tom.
Now, obviously, you talked about your car
collection that you have right now.
Is there anything you would still like to add to that?
Oh, God, yeah, loads.
Was on your list that you'd like to add.
I've called it one of the week.
Yeah, so I've, now I've said we're not,
I've got too many cars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what happens is if you get to a certain
level of cars, then you can't actually
maintain and use them.
It
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becomes almost comes a full-time job to wanna do that.
So, yeah, if you notice.
Yeah.
(laughs)
So, now I've sort of like set myself a limit of cars.
So, if I'm gonna have another car,
then one's gotta go and, you know.
So, for a daily, I'd really,
I'll keep on going on about this.
I'd like, I'd quite fancy daily in an E46.
Oh, hello.
Yeah, just in three.
Yeah, yeah, 'cause I've never had one.
I've never had a BMW.
What color?
You don't care.
I don't really care.
I was coming.
I was really waiting for that.
The trouble is, all the ones,
I tell you what, I don't want a silver one
with black interior, right?
And it just seems to be an awful lot of those about.
I see that.
That's like 60% of them.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm just thinking, well,
were they that unspired?
And then I think, well, you know,
look at your average BMW owner.
It's hardly surprising this silver with black interior.
So, you know, I mean, come on,
you know, anyway.
So, I do quite fancy one.
I've never really done that thing.
Yeah.
I want a 911 at some point.
Of old variety or new variety?
I think
probably 997.
Okay, so late 2000s, early 2010s.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, 2016, '70s.
Yeah, okay.
About 20 year old.
Well, I think I don't wanna--
You're not a Porsche man in my head.
Really?
No, but I do quite, I've proven a few over
the years, and you can't get away from the
fact they're good.
Yeah.
Yeah, they are, they are a very,
very good car.
And I wanna own a Ferrari, at some point.
I was about to get into that,
because we spoke to you recently,
about you driving, and you're driving a
couple of Ferraris recently.
I've been test driving a few Ferraris.
Yeah, as you do.
Any further with that, or any more Ferraris?
Well, no, well, what happened was,
I then got off of the car, car,
which I wasn't expecting to get offered,
and it opened up an opportunity,
which is basically chewed away the
Ferrari fund.
Oh, this is the thing you told us about.
Is this the thing?
Yeah, yeah, but I'm not really,
Yeah, you don't want to talk about it.
Yeah, I can't, yeah, it will be,
I will, once I've got it in the garage.
It's rather special, though.
Yeah, yeah.
It's worth not having a Ferrari for.
Yes, I was prepared to sacrifice the Ferraris
for a few years.
That's cool.
Yeah, there are, but then also,
you know, I don't know, other things that
happen, like, you know, we've looked at the
cars that we've got and said,
right, okay, we definitely want to keep that
for a bit.
We're happy to sell that.
So let's shift them around.
So it just depends what gets sold and how
quickly stuff gets sold and what's happening.
So I've sold with, oh, I've got an Aston
Martin as well, have I?
I forgot, I forgot that.
I've got an Aston, DB7?
DB7 Vantage, but I've now--
You sold that.
I've taken a deposit on it, so someone else
has said, that's one gone.
Okay.
So anyway, once things start going,
then I'll--
Then
you can look again.
Yeah, I've promised, Meg, that I will
not buy any more cars until this is sold,
that's sold.
So I've also got an Evoque and a Disco Four
and some other bits and pieces kicking
around, which are just sort of general stuff
around at work.
So the question is, where are you gonna hide
the cars that you buy from her when you buy them?
Well, this is the problem that I have.
Right, okay, this is, this is a,
so because Meg does all of the administration.
Oh, you can't hide anything.
You can't hide anything, right?
And she learned really, I mean,
we've done it to ourselves, right?
As in the male race.
Yeah, because we can't help ourselves but lie,
right?
Because we're just natural born liars,
right?
And for lots of different reasons,
normally Jews who are in discretion somewhere
along the line, they'll be physical or,
you know, so, so the amount of traffic gaps
over the years that I've had come into the
workshop and are like, right,
I want this tuning down and that down and
whatever, you know, it's always the toy cars as well.
Yeah.
Not, not, you know, oh my God.
Not the daily.
Oh no, I need new set of tires of what I was
gonna go mad, you know, on the daily,
it's the toy cars and they'll pay 50% of the
bill on a, on a, on a credit card or whatever.
Yeah.
And then 50% of the bill in cash.
Yeah, to hide it.
Or they'll pay it from two separate accounts
and stuff like that.
And Meg was initially, Meg was like,
"What are they doing that for?"
And I'll go, but you don't know,
Meg, I've got no, I don't know.
God, I do all the time, I don't work.
Yeah, I just couldn't possibly think why
they're doing that.
So, obviously clearly, you know,
she's worked out, you know, quite,
cotton on quite quickly that,
you know, these chaps were hiding the bills
from, or the true expense of this from their wives.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I remember once I was,
I was working on this guy's old Mark II Jaguar,
right?
And on those, you pulled it,
I needed to, the seat out, I needed something
to do, something to the seat.
I've pulled the seat swap up and it's like,
so it's a metal frame, and then the leather
bits sits on the frame.
I pulled it up and underneath there is a
plastic bag with 10 grand in cash in it.
And I'm like, "Oh, I'll bring him up."
Really?
I'll say, "mate, your 10 grand's gone,
I don't know where he's gone."
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was going, well, I didn't know it was 10
grand at the time, I was running out,
I was like, "There's, you know,
I just found a load of money."
And I said, "Oh, yeah."
"What have you do?
Don't mention that to the Misses when you
bring it back."
And I'm just like, you know,
so, yeah, yeah, so Meg's very,
very aware that, you know, of this sort of stuff.
So I can't get aware of it, basically.
She knows, but bless her.
She does support me.
She said, "Apparently, she says,
'I know what I'm doing.'"
Oh, fair, fair enough.
She seems to think that, you know,
that sometimes we, you know,
we do make good decisions with the stuff that
we buy, and it goes, and we do a right of it,
so.
So Ferrari incoming, then.
Yeah.
She didn't flinch when I said about a
Ferrari, you know, she was like,
you know, okay, fine, well.
To be fair, when you're used to Jaguar Land
Rover problems, I don't think as much that
can make, you know, scare you.
Ferrari,
I finally are allowed to go.
(laughing)
So you drove a 550.
I drove a 550.
And a Tesla.
And a Tesla also.
Yeah, it's very cool.
My summary of it was that a 550 is a really,
it's a very,
very nice car, but I just found it boring.
You know, for me,
if you're gonna spend that much money on a
car, it needs to,
it didn't grab me and excite myself.
It's a very, very,
very good car.
It's a very, very nice interior.
It's a nice
space to sit in.
Did it have a stainless exhaust?
Yeah, I think it was totally standard.
I've seen a lot of people mentioning,
for people that don't know, we are on Monday
next week going to drive.
Will's gonna drive a glardo.
I'm gonna drive a 550 Maranello as a,
do you meet your heroes or not?
We both would like in our life to own one of those cars.
I've been doing a lot of research and a lot
of people say they've got a standard exhaust.
They don't sound like anything.
It wasn't, look, it's got plenty of punch.
You can drive a manual.
Yes, yeah.
Yeah, they're all 550s a manual.
Are they?
Only 575.
You can get the order.
See, I didn't know that.
Okay.
Yeah, there's something about,
it's cool about driving a Ferrari with that,
you know, the gate there.
Yeah.
And it's, but I actually found it quite slow
to change gear.
Yeah, I've heard that too.
It wasn't, you know, I could change gear a
lot quicker if it wasn't, you know,
to set up with difference.
But again, it's part of the romance of it,
isn't it?
It's part of the driving experience.
And when I got on the motorway and I gave it
some punch, you know, it did everything that
Ferrari should do.
And the, no, the clutch was all right.
The clutch wasn't too heavy.
So it was awesome.
It's a front engine, big V12 Ferrari.
So it's not, not that it's not designed to be exciting.
It's just, it's not one of it.
It's not a big engine car.
Yeah.
It's a GT cruiser.
Yeah.
It's a GT car.
It's a different.
So then you go and drive a Testerosa,
which is not a GT car.
It's, you know, it's a fire-breathing V12.
And I just, I like old cars.
Yeah.
So, and I thought I wanted I used to think I
wanted a 3-2-8.
Yeah.
You know, so, so why do you,
why are these poster cars for you?
So a 3-2-8 is a poster car for me because of Magnum.
Yeah.
Yeah.
TV series.
All the time.
Yeah.
And then of course, you know,
the Testerosas, because of Miami Vites,
isn't it?
You know, that's, that's, you know,
and they were poster cars for us.
So I, but I didn't really, I don't think I
could live with the Testerosa.
No.
No.
Not even as a special occasion car.
I'm really glad that I got to drive it.
It's, it's, it was a real experience,
but I was, I was just surprised how,
how,
how noisy it was, you know, but I don't mean
as in like
engine noise.
It's just, it's just, you know,
I was literally, you know, I drove,
I was Harry Metcalfe, I was like,
Harry came to see me and, you know,
I've spoken about drive in the testosterone,
so I only very kindly brought it down and we
went out for a drive together.
I'm, I'm literally with shouting against
everybody goes, he goes,
he goes, he goes, this is, this is the full
testosterone
experience.
And I'm like, yes.
And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm
so glad that I drove it.
And as a, but it made me not want it,
which I mean, which I wasn't expecting to
happen at all.
I really wasn't.
Very worthwhile, a point for testing a car
before you buy it.
Yeah.
Before you commit to it.
Yeah.
Especially something older.
I mean, don't get me wrong, if I had gone to
buy a sales one or whatever,
I would have taken it for a drive and I would
have got a bit of, I would have felt
embarrassed actually, 'cause I would have
felt, 'cause I would have wasted their time.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
You know, like the, you know,
as they people say the adverts,
you know, no one wants test pilots,
do they?
Yeah.
You know, so, but you do need to test pilots
certain things to make a, a buying a decision.
Yeah, but you're on a expensive car like that.
Oh yeah, you can't just drop,
drop, you know, drop it at a whim,
you know.
And so, but then, so then where do you go
with the, whole Ferrari thing if you want to,
something red and shine with a black horse on
it, you know, it's, so.
What is it you want out of the Ferrari?
Is it something that's a bit more exciting or is it?
I just, I just think it's an itch that needs
to be scratched.
It's got that kind of thing,
isn't it?
But, so it feels like you, something mid-engine.
Yeah.
I, I think that, so I've, I've decided that
the next one that I need to try is a four-fay.
That's what I was thinking.
So, if, depending on how the fuck the budget
goes, 360 challenge.
No.
I've given cut the 360s, I don't like 'em.
No, but what about challenge for Dali?
Is there supposedly a completely different animal?
That's true.
Dali, though, still have that gearbox.
That's the, that's the,
That is always the problem with those.
Everyone goes on about the 355 being the last
of the sort of like proper Ferraris,
as they say, you know, but I drove a 355 20
years ago and I wasn't impressed.
Well, I'm not impressed.
No, I wasn't that blown away.
I think at 430, I think you'd probably like,
I think, yeah.
Would it be it, would it, a spider or a coupe?
Oh, coupe's got a roof.
Interesting, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they, and I'm less fast about it being a
manual at the moment.
Well, you'd spend quite a lot now for a 430 manual.
A 430 manual is about 120.
I think they're a bit more now.
I think we have 200.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I think they are.
No, they're not.
I think the last time I saw,
anyway, but anyway.
Yeah, they're now so big money.
I've looked, I've looked that way.
Okay.
(laughs)
120, 130 will get you into a 430 manual.
'Cause that's double.
Yeah, for 480 stage, yeah.
Yeah, but you can get into an also,
or whatever it is.
F1, yeah, F1.
But that's a good, well again.
For like 70, it's not that, it's an old
gearbox, but that era of Ferrari F1 gearbox
is leaps and bounds ahead of the old F1 gearbox.
The 360.
Obviously it's no
dual clutch auto thing, but they're not as bad.
So I nearly bought a 360 10 years ago,
'cause one of my customers, everyone for
sale, I let it go over to grandi.
for it anyway, 42 and then I walked away.
But you're happy with the fact you walked away?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, I don't want that.
Well, no, no, no, no, no, you have to,
I'm a firm believer in setting yourself rules.
Fair.
So I went to an auction to go and buy a P8
and I was like, right, I'm not going over
100k, that's it, 100k absolute tops.
And it went for, the guy out bid me,
well, I was, he was the next bid up and I
thought, well, that's gonna make it,
if I now bid, he ended up paying 98 grand for
it with premium and I would have been at
like, if I'd have bid, I would have been at
like 103, 104, and I was like,
no, that's it, bang.
So it's good to be strict on yourself like
that and not.
Yeah, green, 'cause also, the thing with
auctions is you never know where they're gonna stop.
So yeah, you tell yourself, ah,
fine, I'll go one, but they might be willing
to go five or six bids more.
You might get way out over your head.
Oh yeah, yeah, you realize.
Oops.
Whenever I've gone to an auction to buy
stuff, I've always been right,
that's my limit.
Top limit?
You know, but unless I've done it for
customers, a couple of customers have sent me
to an auction and they're like,
ah, so yeah, I bought it, I just spent a
little bit more than we did.
(laughing)
We're not like that.
We haven't gone over anything we've done.
What was the Clio?
We said, what, 12 and 15 pounds?
Oh, yeah, the Clio was--
The Clio V6 we bid on, which was,
well, I get it, there was a non runner and
whatever else, but that's a 30-40 grand car.
10 was the beginning of the top end of bid.
I think we were kind of saying,
I mean, it's absolutely no more than that.
Yeah.
I think we bid up to about 18 grand centiseries here.
I'm getting from what you're doing next week
that you're into the Lambos then.
Yes, yeah.
Really, so I wouldn't have put you as a Lambo man.
No, yeah, yeah.
To me, that is super car.
Ferrari is good super, again,
that is the super car, like,
name that everyone think of,
but to me, that if you think of a super car,
if you ask a child to draw or think of a
super car, they're gonna give you something
and he comes out as a Lamborghini.
So what about when it comes to design and
stuff like that?
What's your, what are you?
Broi's a prettier and, or older and probably
classier, but Lamborghini has that.
Not modern stuff, I'm less bothered by it.
Well, that's, I was about to say,
old stuff, well, Lamborghini is the king of
making stuff look mental and cool.
Yeah.
Ferrari's, for me, lost 10 years of Ferrari
that I can't really think of other than an F8.
It's just nothing that even makes me feel anything.
Yeah.
I mean, like an A12's cool, I'm not,
I don't know, I don't look at it in the same
way that I look at like an Enzo or something
from older, you know, 2000's,
but sort of pre-2010.
But Lamborghini still tends to put out stuff
that even an event at all, I'm not an event
at all, man.
I look it out and go, whoa, that's cool.
If you see an event at all, coming down the
road, you know it, you hear it before.
Si, you're a covenant Ferrari,
I don't think it has the same effect.
Yeah, there's always this thing,
Enzo Ferrari turned around and said that he
thought that the E-Tart Jag was one of the
most beautiful cars ever made,
and I agree with him in that.
I think a mirror is just an absolutely designed classic.
I watched the beginning of the Italian job on
YouTube
regularly.
I don't want a little movie,
I just watch that
opening scene and then I'll turn it off and
that's it, 'cause that car, I just think
that's one of the prettiest cars of all time.
Yeah, just captures my imagination.
But Lamborghini is definitely the one for me,
but I've never actually really driven one,
so next week we are.
So this is real hero drive.
Genuinely.
(indistinct)
That's our end goal.
'Cause we will get to with the guys from Rat
Dog, but this, yeah, this will be interesting.
This will be good.
Too fair, kind of moves us on to a section,
one of the week.
One of the week.
Now, Tom, you're one of the week,
but this is, so the car we've been thinking
about, we'd like to own.
You might not
1:34:17 One of the Week: 550 Maranello Research
buy it, just thinking about,
you just had a 430, is there anything else on
your list for this that you've been thinking
about that you woke up one morning and
thought, you know what, I need to buy one of those.
No, but...
Tom's like, "Nah, I got more."
(laughs)
Well, yeah, I've been lucky to take a lot of
boxes, yeah, but there's...
So, if budgets, you know, 'cause the stuff I
look for is, I think for so far,
you know, can I actually achieve that?
Yeah, yeah, realistic.
Yeah, yeah, realistically, can I achieve that?
You know, and can I sell this,
do that?
Normally it means, you know,
sort of like getting rid of a few bits and
pieces to make it happen.
And then you've got anything that I really
desperately want at the moment and the answer
to that is...
Nothing that you've just been thinking out
through the week that you've gone,
"Oh, I'd like, that's kinda nice."
So, you like my...
I mean, I'm assuming you're like,
"You are literally looking on the internet."
Oh, I've literally, every morning and night.
But for me, this week, it's the 550,
because I've been researching it for not only
that, well, to be fair, it's the 550 is
always there, but this week I've been
researching things you can do to a 550 and
Gen V make a set of throttle bodies for a 550.
For a 550?
Yeah, really.
So you had to run standalone everything and
your dials wouldn't work and everything wouldn't work.
So it's not really feasible,
but I was just looking into it going.
But why wouldn't your dials work?
Because you'd need to run a standalone ECU,
so you'd have to chop up the wiring harnesses.
Because that means it doesn't,
that just means it's a challenge to make it happen.
Yeah, Tom is offering to make it happen.
I love Gen V throttle bodies.
I've got Gen V throttle bodies on quite a few
more bits from these.
Believe me, when I say that I was
researching, I mean, I was looking at pin
outs and trying to work out how I would
actually wire it in to make it work.
But it's, yeah, no, I just want that.
But there was something, oh,
the other thing was a BMW M6,
because one came off on Copart that I've done
the same thing I've said to myself,
normal cars that I fix some,
I sell some.
But then a BMW M6 came up on BCA with 210,000
miles, as the notoriously unreliable BMW V10
has done 210K.
Yeah.
And I was like, surely, surely we chuck a
bit, or something like that.
In the auction, there was an odd auction like
discrepancy as an odd mileage discrepancy
where it dipped.
It was just a year where it went,
it was clearly going up and then it,
the energy just put it in wrong,
'cause it just went straight back up.
So it's not likely to be higher than that.
No, there is one car that I keep on looking
at this week, which I've, so I'm actually
thinking about going up my next winter daily.
Here we go.
Okay, so, you know, I know it's not quite
winter yet, but I'm thinking of,
I'll get rid of this car, that car,
the disco floor, and this is a bit of a
cliche, really, but only because I've not
really owned one is I've been looking at a V85L Defender.
Okay, the new ones.
The new ones, yeah, there's one I'm
collecting cars, only done 14,000 miles,
and it's on a look yesterday,
nine this morning, actually.
It was on 61K, but it was also that
qualified, which is great, 'cause it means I
could buy it as a company hacking V8L.
even more appealing, you know.
Meg's like, "Why are you looking at that
Defender so long?"
'Cause it's that qualified.
So yeah, I have actually been looking quite a
lot.
So a V8 Defender?
That's quite cool.
Yeah, yeah,
obviously.
You said you quite liked those.
I do quite like Defenders, yeah.
Obviously there, it's a Land Rover product,
so they're just gonna depreciate like a,
you know, four ounce guy, like a lead balloon.
But every time I see a Defender,
I don't like the long ones.
No, no, no, no, 10, I think.
Well, the 130, the 110 or the 90.
Yeah, 110 and the 90 are the ideal,
the 110 perfect.
Yeah, so I just, I wanna live with one for
six months, 'cause I see them in the workshop
and we fix them and stuff, but I've never
actually lived with one.
And then buy yourself an octa,
get yourself that in the life field.
What's yours, Will?
I'm yearning and trying to work out how on
earth I could buy.
Well, I've said Gallardo before,
many, many weeks, of course.
We're still talking about one of the week,
aren't we?
Yes.
But now, it's the Gallardo Super La Gera,
which is...
How much is one of them?
They're a file.
Yes.
That's what I don't know.
They're in the region of sort of 80 up to
whatever, plus, basically.
Okay.
But the problem is, so there's two different,
there's an early Gallardo, which has a five
litre proper Lamborghini engine,
and then the...
See if...
Face lifted it and it's got an Audi,
not Audi engine, but an Audi sort of derived.
I never see the problem with these things
with, you know, like you can,
if you really wanted to, you could probably
go out and get a banker and get the money to
get with to buy that.
But that's, yeah, yeah.
Yes.
I'm now looking at what is...
It's not worth...
It's not worth...
What my girlfriend is worth.
It's the running.
It's the running.
This must things looking quite valuable right here.
Yeah.
(laughing)
It's the running cost of that,
isn't it?
That is, again, we're gonna talk about this
in the video, we're gonna film.
A Super Ligera in particular is obscene.
So most of them, if not all of them are Karl
and ceramics, Karl and ceramics are meant to
last the life you know about carbon ceramics.
I can tell you that the brake pads are very,
very expensive.
It has very expensive, but in theory,
the discs are meant to last the life of the
car really, depending on its use.
But if they don't, you get something in
there, they crack, you get some kind of mark.
So the real, all the brakes on that are 20,000 pounds.
Yeah.
Which I almost fell out of my chair.
What was the door card?
A door card is about eight grand.
Eight grand?
A door card.
A mirror, 'cause it's all like carbon door
cards and the mirrors are carbon.
Oh, clutch change.
They're about 10 or 12 grand,
are they?
It's about 20 grand.
Yeah.
And they go through them quite quickly.
One of the selling points of Lamborghini.
Yeah, but you could do it yourself.
You could do it yourself, thank you.
It's so big.
(both laugh)
You can work it up on the ramp,
give it a go.
Come on.
Ridiculously maintained by me.
If the clutch costs 300 quid.
Yeah.
I would be up for it, but a clutch is about five grand.
Oh.
So I'll be doing this, putting it in the car.
(both laugh)
You see, with the figures you never drive in
them,
That's the problem, isn't it?
No, that's what, yeah.
But I would seriously, I'm trying to figure it out.
I'm doing the numbers in my head.
Do the maths in your head.
Do the man maths.
And it's all coming back as green ticks,
even though it shouldn't be.
You did like a car vertical check,
too.
(both laugh)
But in my head, the Colorado Super Lajera is,
'cause they're, again.
You're not losing money.
It's not a cheap car, by any means,
and it costs a lot of money,
and there's a lot of risk involved.
But it's rival at the time, which is the 430
Scuderia, the lightweight version.
Well, look.
Skyrocket.
If you buy it, and the clutch blows up,
and you can't afford to replace it,
I'll do a good deal for you.
I'll buy it off you, obviously.
You'll fix it for me.
No, no, I'll buy it off.
You'll buy it off you, and then when it's
fixed, you could buy it back for less.
Yeah.
For the same price I pay.
I'll pay the loan off for you.
There you go.
As long as you've made a decent damn pay,
I'm
gonna get a top-length loan.
(both laugh)
That's mine.
I've been watching videos of them
researching, it's just one of the best noises
because again, like I said, they only made
that engine for a sort of fine number of
years, but that also makes it more unreliable
because it's purely Lamborghini.
Perfect.
I think we haven't got time for a forum or an
argument or a car conspiracy.
Or any of those things.
Because this is running on quite long.
Tommy talked too much, man.
Yeah, sure.
You have to come again and we'll do it in
episode two with Tom.
Was it another one?
When we've all got our Ferraris in Lamborghinis.
(both laugh) But thank you very much for
listening to Car's Rule Everything Around Me podcast.
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