We React To The Ferrari Luce, Morgan Owner's Hats And Top 50 Cars - C.R.E.A.M. #86

0:00 Rule or Ruin: Edwin's New Ferrari

Technically, that's illegal.

You must destroy the old V5,

bury it in the ocean and then blow up the ocean.

You have, like, well-to-do jobs.

There's so many things you could do instead

of listening to this drop.

That makes sense.

It's

sort of like going and seeing apes at the zoo.

He's picking

his bum.

Hello, and welcome back to the Cream Podcast,

the 86th Cream Podcast where you're joined by

myself, Will.

Edwin, to my right, and Ben Rogers,

back from Barbados, still, he hasn't gone back yet.

But yeah, because we did the last podcast

about 10 minutes ago.

At the beginning of every single podcast,

we asked if cars rule or ruin.

How?

God.

This week, a lot's happened.

Last 10 minutes, I bought a Sandisk SSD for

Cream to back up things.

For me, it's a rule.

I love it.

A rule.

I needed a piss on my last podcast.

Sure, towards the end.

I thought that out.

So for me, it's a big rule.

Lovely, Will.

Do you know what?

There are things I forgot.

Okay.

That's not what.

Let's call it a ruin.

Last week was a rule.

Right, which was yesterday.

No, no, which was 10 minutes ago because of this car.

And it is still kind of a rule.

But what happened in 10 minutes?

Earlier on today, I found out I bought the

wrong tires for this car.

Oh yeah.

I've been connecting part.

What is this car for all the others?

This is my mum, Gini Maschlago.

It was insane, really.

To say that.

But it needs to go back on the road and it

needed tires, I had to buy tires at great expense.

He bought a car with an MOT,

right?

Yeah, of course, it hasn't been on the road

for five years.

So, you know, no MOT.

So I had to buy tires.

I did that.

It was very, very expensive.

I thought I had it done.

And I was watching some how-to videos.

A man calls things named Ben Zina on them.

That's not like-- That's the Italian version

of fuel, I believe.

He's got lots of really good DIY how-to stuff

on Maschlago.

And it's actually quite-- therapeutic to watch.

Also, it's very useful for me.

He was talking about his wheels.

And I just saw the picture and I went,

I said, "Two, four, five, 35,

18."

I was like, "Okay."

That doesn't sound like what I've bought.

And I checked my receipt for the tire I

bought and have fitted already.

And I bought the wrong size.

And these cars are very sensitive to sizes

because it's like a mechanical,

forward drive system.

And if you have something that's too slow or

too fast, you can start chewing stuff up.

So I now need to buy no tires.

And it turns out those tires are very hard to find.

And I've found some sale and they're 500 pounds each.

So I'm not paying that.

I'm not paying that.

Stealing it instead of paying that.

So yeah, I'd call that a ruin,

but I'm actually just going to call it a rule

because it is still there.

Yeah, no.

Okay.

So it should on any other car,

all of those costs and all of those annoying

things would be a ruin.

But it is, yes.

It's big M, it still is rule.

I'm enjoying looking at it so much.

I'm not just trying to say that like to be

like, "Oh, because what it is."

But genuinely, I've been commercial with me

isn't my own Lamborghini.

But I look at you guys and I keep just

drifting over and staring.

Yeah.

When we were at Dunsfold, I kept,

I was out on a lap in the Tuscan and I just

finished a big old slide.

I looked around and I just saw it sitting in

the corner and went, "God damn,

look at that."

We heard one of the world's worst takes last

week when you weren't here.

Ben, I pulled it outside very briefly because

we had something.

Oh, cleaning in here.

By who?

Who had the worst day?

Of course they go.

Andrei.

I mean, that's enough to give him a

Jermero-Quiléric and he says,

"Is that Peter Andrei?"

Punishable by death, come on.

Pulled it outside and the rear,

I think, is possibly the best angle of this

car and the vents were up as well.

It's thick.

It's wide.

It is just the most unbelievable angle.

And he went, "Well, it's a bit controversial,

but I think the Galada look better from the back."

Crazy.

I don't care what Rory thinks at any given time.

But that annoyed me because I know everyone

has an opinion,

but you can't think that.

And I tried to start analyzing and trying to

work out how he could vig more.

And I think it comes from this.

When you look at this from mind,

this looks like an old car.

Whereas the Gallardo actually has quite a fresh design.

When you look at the rear of an LP640,

it looks as modern as a Gallardo.

That makes sense.

That's my only thing I can think he's thinking.

It's just so vast and wide and the wings are

up and it's yellow and it's got massive,

wide rear tyres you can see and you can see the exhaust.

I don't remember what car's he owns.

Exactly.

He has his taste in automobiles.

So it doesn't matter.

And what shade

of green the next car will be and from what

British company

it will be from.

Listen, we respect you.

We do.

I think we

do.

Okay.

Just put just on this one.

Come on.

Also great.

He's not here to defend himself.

No, exactly.

The perfect time to abuse.

I want to change mine to a ruin.

Oh, sorry.

What the hell?

I'm going to bring in, not much about my personal cars.

I'm going to bring in some work stuff to this.

Okay.

There are six, man.

Yeah.

It's just, it's just, I hate it.

No.

I went away for a week thinking and genuinely

thinking when I get back that we're done with that.

I like the car.

It's cool.

It's good content.

But actually filming it and try to produce

content with it is so difficult.

Like that video is going out for you.

It'll be out by now.

But for us, it's in like five days time when

injectors, we can't get injectors.

How is deal with this?

The video will on track on this fold ruined.

Yeah, completely ruined.

I did ruin it genuinely.

And I've been thinking about this for the last week.

And this is the only reason I haven't been

deeply upset about it.

Yes.

We had the perfect lineup set up for that car.

The weather wasn't the best,

granted.

But still, we had little patches of sunshine

and we had to perfect line up to race that car.

And the car said, "Not on my watch."

And it wasn't a cheap day.

No car top gas check is not cheap.

You don't get any refunds.

So, yeah, it sold that car.

It also wasn't, you told me that it had broken down.

I was like, "Cool."

Not a problem.

It will be probably what?

We got up hands, four out of the five cars

and the video, it breaks down quite a bit.

No, it's like, it's not even halfway through

the first run.

I edited that section of the video and it's,

there's not even enough to really build me tension.

It just literally, it takes off three seconds later.

Oh, dead.

That's it.

Yeah, it's just dead.

So, you know, shout out the RS6,

great.

So that's a ruin in my week.

6:58 Will's Ruined RS6 Experience

It's like we're trying to restore a 250G.

Yeah.

I think it might be easier to do that because

at least there's stuff available.

Tomorrow morning, I'm going to call

Lamborghini to try and get cheaper parts and

more available parts than from Audi.

That's a good point.

Yeah, that's a good point.

So Audi, sort it out, please.

So, but you're a ruin.

If I have to come into the unit one more time

in the morning and film you taking off on

Inlet Man, I thought, on a V10 RS6,

I will just put the camera down.

This will be the last time, I believe it.

Do you know what?

I'm just going to stay rural with my SSD.

So, you know, we'll just keep that a little bit positive.

We've got a white one, right?

Yeah, we've not seen before.

No, no, no, two terabyte SSD for cream,

you know, backups.

So, issues keep filling my one up with us.

Bumper week for me.

Shall we move on with us?

Just some attic boats.

As always, leave your rules and the ruins in

the comments.

We like reading through them.

We might read some.

Shout out the creamers.

Read the good ones.

How do you know what's going to be a good

one, isn't it?

Exactly.

You just got to predict it.

Will does that thing where he puts half of it

in the bed and says, "I don't work with a lucky people."

I've never heard that.

There has been a rumor.

There has been a rumor.

Not again.

No, no, no.

Just second week in a row.

Hold on.

Things keep happening.

I don't know who starts.

Who's spreading this?

Someone starts a rumor and it just spreads like wildfire.

Dodge are coming out with a car.

It's cool.

It has an odd, I don't know if this is a code

name or a secret thing, but it's sort of an idea.

They did a thing recently where they

announced, "We're going to make a hundred million cars."

It's like a hundred and something models,

but they're like, "Sorry, this is what we're

going to do."

As in new cars or what?

Some of them are based on current things or

whatever, but they did announce in there.

I think called a Copperhead SRT.

Now a Copperhead, is that an old thing?

Now the Copper, if I must refresh my memory,

is it a hideous looking red thing that I've

seen in photos?

Yes, which was, if that is what I'm thinking,

I used to have a model car of one.

It was the basis, yes, of the Viper.

And then there was also, or this is going to

upset me and fellow nerds are going remember

it, the base for the charger.

Basically, when Dodge went back to that big

kind of cross grill, they had this really

cool, it was called, I think I want to say it

was a charger concept, it was cool,

I just didn't look up.

It was a 1999 charger RT concept,

which was in Midnight Club from memory.

It was this really cool looking,

swoopy

charger thing.

But I remember the Copperhead concept from before.

I didn't realize, because all the photos I've

seen, I've been on this slightly odd looking

very 90s concept that kind of looks like a Viper.

that someone's forgot to finish off.

But apparently they might bring that name

back, and it'll be based on the current gen

charger, and it'll be kind of a muscle car,

but a bit more than that, so it's meant to be

like a low slung two door thing,

which that's meant to be a little bit mad.

It'll be like there, it'll be Dodger's Halo car.

Oh wow, because yeah, Copperhead is like a

snake type beat.

So is this meant to be the Viper turn of the Viper?

But it doesn't sound, because they're saying

it's going to be based on the charger,

which I think it would be like a how you

would have, it's like a lower version of the

same name, that makes sense.

He's in the family of a Viper.

He's not quite a Viper, he's below that.

But that could be interesting,

because I don't think it's going to be quite

as crazy as a truck, V10 or whatever,

but still, because I imagine it'll at least

be a V8.

Even the base model Viper, when it came out,

you can't really compare that to a Corvette,

I think.

I think the Viper's a step above it,

whereas if it's a Corvette fighter,

that's kind of cool to have a base model,

because if it's meant to be their halo,

big boy.

Maybe it is meant to be their...

I wonder if they're just saying that,

because they're like, we don't have anything better.

We don't have a halo.

Right now their halo car is a charger,

they don't.

And with all the changing in restrictions for

emissions, are they just going to go mad with it?

Please.

I'm looking forward to that.

Let's start this American war that we had

before, where it was Dodge Chevrolet and

Ford, all going at it and going,

yeah, we make 400 Now, we'll make 500.

And then it's going to get to a point where

they realize actually the emissions aren't that great.

And then they'll have eight leech engines

making 190 horsepower.

And the cycle will continue.

And America continues forever.

And it will come to the UK and we'll buy it

and scrap it.

Yep.

Then you put in here, the creamers making friends.

The creamers making friends.

I want us to just do a shout out to the

creamers, because I read through the comments

of the last podcast.

And not the last one now, quite a while ago.

One of them.

I don't know anymore.

A podcast.

where we said, "Have you guys made friends

via being creamers?"

Or TDC or whatever.

And they were actually quite a few comments.

Yeah.

I read quite a few.

And it warmed my heart.

Genuinely.

It was nice to hear about people making

friends because of the podcast.

And it made me think, "You know what?

It's worth doing."

Fair.

Which I think anyway.

So what other than the incredible amounts of

money you're paid to do?

Well, it does.

You know, that certainly helps as a bonus,

isn't it?

No, no, genuinely.

I enjoy the podcast as it is,

but that made me feel even more positive about it.

I was not expecting it.

I thought there was going to be people be

like, "Yeah, man, this is just a podcast."

But there are a lot of people like,

"Yeah, I met people.

I know people from it."

People being like, "Yeah, I made friends in

my local supermarket because somebody mentioned TDC."

That's pretty cool.

That's wild.

And then I forgot what I was going to say.

Oh, that's it.

There you go.

There you go.

You had no main ones that stood out.

That one was more than just people who seem

to, a few people that are saying that they

met people in online forums and stuff talking

and they talk regularly.

It's cool.

Oliver, who takes care of Nixing Carter's

collection, who we will by now have gone and

done a tour of, he said after he had listened

to the podcast, said, "I met while waiting

for my baby to be born, another couple who

had just had a baby or were waiting for theirs."

And he was

like, "Yeah."

Or she says, "TDC."

And they were like, "Oh, yeah,

me too."

And then just makes crazy.

Wow.

That's cool.

Crazy.

Yeah.

No, it's just nice to hear about.

It is very odd when I hear about people talking.

about, because it exists.

People listen to this.

No, weird.

There are people that listen to this podcast somehow.

In my head, we click stop, we put on the

internet, and then that's it.

It gets deleted.

It's just that one dude who's obsessed with

Ben's feet, but that's it.

That's the only person listening to the podcast.

There's no one else other than the three

people in this room that listen.

Oh, well, three views.

Amazing.

We get a guess.

It goes off four.

That's Ben listening on his way to work.

Back from work and to work.

That should you listen to it.

That's weird that you listen back.

No.

into that.

I can't.

I can't.

Sometimes if I've needed to,

if someone's commented on something or

mentioned something to me on Instagram,

whatever, I'll go listen to that back.

But yeah.

I don't always.

I don't remember anything we say.

That's why I listen to it.

That's why I'm worried.

Yeah.

We refer back to it.

And obviously, usually if people don't know,

we'll film on a Monday or Tuesday and it

releases Thursday after.

Yes.

It's probably, realistically,

a week to 10 days out when you listen to it.

At the minute, we're pre-filming stuff.

But because of that, I fully forget what we talk about.

And then it makes it hard to reference it

afterwards because you have no idea.

So I do try and listen to it just so I know.

Also, to the creamers who have listened up to

date and then go back to the beginning,

that's a crazy one.

I've only ever heard of people doing that

with the Ricky Gervais podcast,

which is amazing.

I still go back and do that as well.

But crazy that you do that for us.

Shout out to you.

Very odd going back because everything is so different.

Yeah.

Everything is so, even just like the visual,

some of

14:23 Creamers Making Friends Through TDC

you odd folk watch this podcast.

Just keep doing it.

It's just a little bit strange.

But anyway, you can do what you want.

for the podcast.

But yes, come a long way.

The podcast.

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Now, obviously, we filmed the last podcast minutes ago.

So we haven't looked at any other cars,

but you did run one on the--

Yeah.

So obviously, when this car came up for

auction, I found the screenshot of the image

when I sent it to-- I see you guys.

The mercy logo.

Sorry.

When it was, I think it was 3rd of March was

when I found out this car was coming up.

And there was no information.

So when you buy a car from an auction like

this, they often don't have any information

or they didn't put any information on this

car until about three weeks before.

So there was like a month and a half of nothing.

So, but I did have a VIN number.

There was no ridge.

This car didn't have a ridge on it.

It just had a VIN number from the plate in

the engine bay.

So I took that, ran a car vertical check,

and it actually came up with one,

the damage that this car had back in 2007,

about a mileage discrepancy back in 2000.

I can't remember when, but it went up to 98,000 miles.

Oh lovely.

9,800 or something.

And then it also had previous photos for this

car was on collecting cars.

However many years, five years ago,

and it had photos from there.

And that then meant I could go,

okay, and it said that's from collecting cars.

I then went on collecting cars,

found more information from it.

So having the car vertical check gave me a

load of information that probably most other

people looking at it wouldn't have had.

So we're just waiting for more information.

So I had a little bit of a head start just by doing that.

And again, my stones were being turned over.

And I was finding information that you can't,

you can't even get this information.

We can't even get these.

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No, I don't know what it is.

There'll be some psychology behind it.

But none necessarily even shorter product

plates, just any number plate suits cars.

My Clio, which was WK55 TMX,

I like that.

It looks kind of angry, but edgy,

you know, this doesn't suit.

I do keep looking at it.

The later letters don't, the JYW doesn't,

but an O2 plate, I feel like I'm five again.

When you see a Mercilago, it's usually got

some sort of silly plate, like some short

plate, some private plate.

There aren't many running around on their

original plates, but when I first saw them,

it was in dealership windows or driving

around when they were brand new as press cars.

So they did have just normal plates.

So an O2 plate, this feels like it feels a

bit O4 rich where it's, you just got this

thing, you haven't even got a private plate

on it yet.

See for me, that is what I don't like,

the FBO too.

I don't know what it is.

It's not my great Facebook.

If it wasn't O4, God, I might have to keep it.

O4 rich, it's not.

I do have plates for it though.

So there's a choice of two plates that I'm

really torn between.

So the Galado had V10 TDU, which was a yellow

mark one albeit a spider, I think,

on the cover of TDU.

And also the car was in the game and whatever else.

And then the moment I saw this car come up

for sale, I had no idea how this would ever happen.

And I went straight on the DVA website,

and I saw V10, 12 TDU.

I knew it was for sale before,

but I didn't know if it still would be.

Saw it for sale, same price as I paid for V10 TDU.

I just bought it.

I was like, I'm going to try and manifest

this a little bit.

I'm going to buy it.

And even if it's not this car,

it'll be one of them one day.

And I have that plate now, but then you set

me a plate on collecting cars a few weeks ago.

That was Y1LLW.

Yulu.

And it was expensive.

It was about 1,000 pounds or so with fees,

but for a plate that's just got a single one

in it and just looks like the word yellow,

basically.

It wasn't that bad.

And I test fitted it on here.

It's quite cool.

And it does look cool.

And also, nerd fact is the episode one of the

new top gear, so 20 or years ago,

they raced a 6.2 in most of the year.

Purple.

Viola.

Really cool color, which was,

I think it was a HR rowing.

It was one of the dealer.

It wasn't a Prescott.

It was a Lamborghini Londo.

That was it.

And the plate on that was Y1.

And then the plate I've got has Y1 in it.

So there's a little thing in there.

But I don't know.

It was in the game though.

That was one of the first games where I played.

And that car was on there and you could open

the doors and you could spec it.

It's the worst model you've ever seen.

Also, Will's got photos of the Glado with V10

TDU and then having some more photos that has V12.

I like that.

I like that plate on this car,

but I don't like the fact that you've now put

V10 TDU on your Alfa.

'Cause I can imagine your driveway.

That's funny.

But I don't think, I think it's like a whopper.

It's gorgeous.

But also I'll never have this on the driveway.

But yeah, I would be having them next to each

other is, you know, someone would think,

oh, what's his ridiculous initials?

Yeah, it just does.

What's his U surname?

It is a big, big one for energy.

No, it's not, but then it goes,

it like, it sort of comes around and meets itself again.

If you had the Glado still and you had both,

then it's kind of cool.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But yeah.

Yeah, that is fair.

I'll probably, I'm leaning towards Y1.

Yulu is funny to me.

Okay, I'll do V12 for Yulu.

'Cause you could have fun with Yulu as a,

like the excitement of first having it is there.

And then when you mature a bit.

Yeah, then you'll show the V12 TDU 'cause

it's, you know,

20:03 Plate Choices for Edwin's Cars

specification.

I've matured.

This is a game I played as a child.

I've been surprised that how many people knew

it, though, from just going as TDU.

And a lot of people that go,

that's not TDC.

Is it a U?

Is it a C sideways?

I didn't, they actually wasn't TDC,

so.

What do you want, TDC?

Probably not.

Yeah, that sounds bad.

But I don't know, TDC is what it is and

that's going to accept me.

A cream plate still cool, still want a cream plate.

Yeah, missing, it's really hard word to form.

I tried to buy years ago C12 and NT,

'cause I thought it was funny.

And it was cheap, it was 250 pounds.

And I'd never bought a private register before.

And then towards the, like maybe six months

ago, I was like, (gasps) Is that a plate

still for sale?

That'd be funny to buy, it's gone.

It's not on the, not on the TV.

So either someone's bought it or the

government went, "Hey, get rid of that."

It's disgusting.

I made a decision last week.

Here we go, sports about plates.

I own S200 BNN, which was from S2000.

And I took it off because I didn't want

anyone to have it.

Right.

That's my guy.

You're what's called, you're that person that

refuses to sell a car and they're like,

"I'll get to it."

No, that's mine.

No, I just, I don't know, it's mine,

'cause it's not my name, it's BNN.

But I like it and it became like a podcasting

and I was like, "I don't really want to sell

a car with it on it because it's my plane."

So I've kept it and you've got to pay to keep

it or whatever.

But I thought, "You know what,

I'm just gonna run it on whatever car I have

that's my fun car."

There you go.

'Cause now it's car like cream law.

So for me, I'm like, even though it isn't an

S2000 and it's to be fair, the plate isn't an

S2000, I'm just gonna run it as it is.

Yeah, 'cause I have it.

You've got other options.

You've got a Hyundai coupe S2.

You could put that on there.

Is it a Honda, isn't it?

No, there's not an S600.

S600.

You could put it on, God, you don't really have many.

No, do you know what I did look for though?

So when we first, just after we started to

see it, I bought my silver clear off wheel.

The plate available was CL10,

Ben.

Clear, Ben.

Clear, Ben.

But I can't put it on that because that car

was a 2005.

And you can't make a car like you in a minute.

It was just sale.

It was for sale.

It was on the D.R.E.A.M.

website.

That's gone.

By the way, now that you said that's gone.

Oh, well, no.

So now I want to buy another clear.

It's 200.

I thought eight times you better buy that.

That would be cool.

Well, you got about a week.

It's gone, gone.

But what I did then look for,

I thought, do you know what?

I don't really want Ben.

Now surely not.

Ben is a bit whopper, but Ben is fine.

Not available.

Really?

I want to know who has CL10,

Ben, and I will buy that off to you.

What's your max price?

Not a lot.

Not because one of us has got it.

Not a lot.

Thanks.

Now, you know what, plates are something I

never understood.

We've talked about it a few times before,

but it's weird how at first you're like,

this is stupid.

And I do think spending silly about like

spending tens of thousands of pounds,

even a few thousand pounds feels ridiculous

for what is essentially owned by the government.

It's not yours.

You don't own that.

You just have the right to display it so the

government can track you.

Not to get too tinfoil hat on you,

but that's essentially what they are.

You're so skipping them thousands,

tens of thousands of pounds.

And if it's not a car.

And if they don't like the way you display

it, they just take it away.

If it's not on a car, then it is a piece of

paper you get.

For 10 years, you basically license it for 10 years.

And then if you don't renew that,

it's not your same.

You also can't transfer them properly.

The plate I bought for the Y1 plate I bought,

I never bought a plate from someone as if

you're buying a car or something.

I used to play it, I guess.

Couple of owners on this one love mileage though.

But I bought it, I was like,

how do you do this?

I think you get a retention form.

So when you have another plate and you take

it off, you have a retention form,

that retention form lasts for 10 years until

you put it on a car.

But I thought on that form, it would say,

oh, you can transfer ownership,

you can't.

You have to put it on a car.

And then for me to then put the plate in my

name, I would then have to take the plate off.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, someone tell me if

wrong, but for what I'm reading,

there's no way.

So I've just got a form at home and another

man's name on it.

And I don't know, he might have a photo of it.

I might come to put that on the car and it

goes, oh, sorry about that.

That's an old form.

And every time you do it, they re-issue your

V5, your document, not a keeper slip,

which is your registration certificate,

right?

When Will saw me his X5, so you had a plate

on it, right?

And basically, what he wants to do was go

from willowing the car with his plate to

meowing the card, my plate on it.

Will had to take the plate off the car.

So he's already got V5.

the car gets a second V5 with the original

plate on it.

He then transfers it to me.

Yes.

I didn't get a V5 with the original plate.

That's a third V5.

And then I then put my plate on it and I get

a fourth V5.

So that whole process is four V5s.

And each one takes five days to come.

Yes, so many V5s at the time.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

From like selling the Clio and the Range

Rover, that's taking the plate off the Range

Rover and then having the original plate on

the Range Rover, selling the Clio,

but keeping that the same.

And then the Gallardo one, my God,

the amount of V5s I have for that,

I've just kept one.

I was like, I just wanna keep it.

That's just so I have a glardo V5.

Hey, technically that's illegal.

You must destroy the old V5.

I love that when the government puts that on things.

You must destroy this now.

It's not been it, it's destroyed.

You can throw it into the fires of Mount Eun.

That's what it feels like.

It feels like, if you rip it in half,

they go, that's not good enough.

That's not gonna do.

You could put that back together.

I want you to set it on fire.

I set your house on fire.

It's the only way to be sure it's gone.

Stop it into the ground.

and then blow up the ocean.

What have we got next?

We have some things and stuff and news is

that are, will be old news is,

much like last week.

You heard it here.

The old news is, absolutely last.

Just the last place you heard it,

but you know what, we'll do our best.

The Chimera, K-39.

So that is a thing that looks like a 037.

Ah yes.

So it was, I think they already came out with

the version of it, but at this,

the Villa desk, that's the one.

That's the one, yeah.

They revealed a new one that has a Koenigsegg V8.

What?

Yes, it has a Koenigsegg V8 with

1,000 horsepower.

And it's real drive.

It's a real

drive.

I don't know if it's a manual,

I'm gonna assume it is.

And it weighs.

I can't really see.

It doesn't weigh much, but you know what,

I did see it, some Instagram

videos of it driving past, and I thought,

you know what, that does look unbelievable.

They're cool.

Because it looks like, what's the,

it's not the 037, what was the racing,

was it a manual?

Monte Carlo, there was a super wide one with

a massive wing, maybe that's what this is

going for, I don't know.

No one I'm talking about.

Of the 037, it was, it might have been a,

I think it might have been a racing version

of the Monte Carlo.

Okay.

It's probably nerds out there.

Don't think you're talking about this,

and that is what I'm talking about.

Okay.

Whatever you're talking about,

that's what I'm talking about.

Photo on the screen.

We'll put photos on the screen of both,

but it has like 037 vibes as well,

but it just looks cool.

And with the Koenigsegg v8.

That's kind of crazy.

Also, what flag?

Now, is it, is it, 'cause we've talked about

this before, is it from Koenigsegg?

Yes.

Well, there was a picture of him shaking

hands with Mr.

Koenigsegg himself.

That's how you know.

He hasn't just taken like a,

he's got a used one on Facebook.

He's got a 4.6 Ford modular,

stuck some four rods I've got.

Koenigsegg of this one.

It's a collaboration between chimera and

Koenigsegg, 1,000 horsepower,

1,200, 1200 new to meters, twin turbo v8.

What's the cost on that?

What's the cost on buying an engine from Koenigsegg?

That's, I want to know that.

It looks cool.

Just, is it, what is it?

Half a mill?

Do you have to go, Christian?

Send us over one.

He's buying them in bulk.

If I buy two, do I get discount?

'Cause I think I can't imagine,

I don't know how many they're making of these.

I can't imagine it's a mass produced car.

So again, it's, maybe it's easier to do when

it's like that, but they can't be,

no, they can't be cheap at all.

More Ben's price bracket.

Yeah, but yeah, Ben, how have you got an order?

I can't count.

Well, you have to have one to go alongside

your

27:53 Chimera K-39 and Koenigsegg V8 News

Koenigsegg, of course.

Well, yeah, of course, but I mean,

they're all in, they're all in buy.

(both laughing)

Edwin, you've put in here.

What's all that sound then, actually,

again?

Oh, what car, what was that?

(both laughing)

That's Ben's back.

Yeah, because I didn't

think it was gonna be happening 45 days

later, hold on, let's see.

That's why, how I feel.

Should we jam on to

ourselves, will we?

We'll carry on, let's see if I can remember that.

We'll move on, we'll let Edwin think.

This one's for you, Benjamin.

Here we go.

Hit me with it.

This one?

Is it news?

Is you, you said you swore, in this one,

I can't say that.

Did I?

You said what the F is an A on?

Oh yes, well we're gonna discover together.

Okay.

I was driving to work this morning.

No, no bloody.

On the M4 motorway.

There's rumors of that.

And I saw a big old truck.

Okay.

You know when you have the ones carrying many new cars?

Yes.

And they were all the same car.

And it was an AI on, what's the brand?

Okay.

I've never seen a powered by AI.

I don't know.

I don't know the answer to that.

It's an AI I've got AI on here.

I'm on there.

It's garlic sauce.

I'm on their website right now.

And I'm seeing the name of the model I'm looking at.

I don't know if it's what you're looking at.

It's sort of a crossover thing.

What's it called?

It's called the Aon, Great Eight.

And that is because it's a great eight.

And it says, oh, it's Aon, eight,

great.

But I'd read that Aon, great.

Aon, it's reloading.

Aon, great eight.

That's because it's got eight year warranty,

eight year servicing, eight years roadside

assistance, eight years of MOT as standard.

It cost eight pounds.

Eight years of MOT.

Eight years, you can't do that.

Is that eight years after the three year period?

Or 11 years of MOT.

I think they're limited.

So, so you bring it towards for free MOT.

Oh, okay.

But how are they assuring that it will pass?

But they don't need it for the first three.

Yes, that's three.

Oh, so it's five years then.

Yeah.

You scam those.

I'm not buying one now.

But, yeah, no, that's true.

Or is it your first eight MOT?

Yeah.

It's for a total of 11.

I don't know what this is.

It just fails.

It's by a company called GACs.

That's G-A-C.

Okay, right.

Crazy.

What does that sound for?

GAC.

No, no, I want you to tell me.

German automobiles can do one.

Is what it stands for.

Okay.

I don't know, but it's by GAC.

Okay.

Well, it's, yeah, that makes sense.

So they got two cars.

So that's the GAC AO.

So what's that one called?

The AO?

Well, the website says AO and Cray A,

and I've just gone on their models,

and that's not listed.

So there's the AON-V, which I'm going to

assume is five.

AON-V, and then there's the AON-UT.

As far as I'm aware, it's not a Roman.

You see, I saw the AON-V.

I saw the AON-V, sorry.

All right, sorry.

This is a really bad website.

We've got the AON, AON-V, and the AON-UT,

and then an SUV section.

We have the AON, no, I just had the AON-V.

No, we've got two cars.

That's it.

No, we don't.

We have, I'm on the website.

It's a great website.

We've got...

Right.

A little bit of Trump, quickly.

(laughing) No one knows more about AON than me.

It's the AON Grate is on the front of the UK website.

I've just seen, it's not called the great A.

But wait, then beneath it.

Oh, that's the marketing.

It's great.

Yeah, okay.

Although it sounds like a sort of thing I

would get from a new Chinese car brand.

The AON-V is what I saw.

Okay.

Then there's the AON-UT, which is launching...

I don't care.

No.

I put it on screen, but it looks like a Kia.

Okay.

No.

Or any other car on the road right now.

36,000 pounds.

Okay.

Which feels expensive for a Chinese electric car.

I feel like they were like undercutting most

cars, and it seems like they'll be for that.

I think that is undercutting.

I

think that is undercutting.

Dear Lord.

Yeah.

18 minutes.

18 minutes.

I read the first bit, I didn't say it,

so I just pretend 18 minutes.

18 minutes!

Oh my God, it's got 18 minutes.

Great, 18.

Okay.

Up to 250 miles of charge in under 20 minutes.

Okay.

And then with a little asterisk.

There he goes.

There he goes.

There he is.

317 miles of range.

And beneath it, it just says London's

Newcastle on one charge.

And then it has two asterisks.

Oh, no.

Is that the exact distance?

No, that's not London's Newcastle's got to be what?

250, 200, 200.

So specifically, where London?

Yeah.

Is it the shard or is it Shoreditch?

Yeah.

So they're different places.

Oh, of course.

Ben thinks of London and goes,

Shoreditch and the shard.

That's how you know this big money.

Big money, Ben.

Blimey.

That's a big old city.

What would you have thought?

I'd measure mine.

Mine goes from the stream to the Hobbit.

I'd say, I don't know, Big Ben,

not Shoreditch.

The shard is like the biggest building in

Europe, I think.

I know Shard and Shoreditch are relatively close.

is somewhat central.

It's just you went for two very posh

locations.

The C.R.E.T.

Top.

New Castle comes closer.

It's the Newcastle, the one by Stafford.

It's the one halfway up the country.

Yeah, did they say Newcastle upon time?

Is it lime or something?

Yeah, Newcastle underlined.

London to Newcastle on one charge.

He didn't say they didn't specify smart marketing.

This is good.

There's going to be another London along the

way somewhere.

There's a few more points here that are good.

500 liters.

I would assume of storage space.

The power of liters, and the many that it

says, that's five big suitcases.

Oh my God, crazy good marketing.

Times like this makes you really wish for a denser.

Yeah.

And then beneath it, the asterisk says,

so this is the one that says,

up to 250 miles of charge, under 20 minutes,

asterisk.

The asterisk for that is from 30 to 80%.

So that's half charge.

But that is when they charge fastest.

I know.

But that's half charge.

You've got to be like, this thing charges in.

Oh yeah, it charges from eight to nine

percent in two minutes.

Oh wow, how impressive.

And then after Newcastle, London Newcastle

thing, it says provisional WLTP.

So they're just guessing.

That's not actually what it is.

It's kind of interesting inside in a way.

It's kind of meant to look a bit like a

Mercedes and it says it's got heat seats in the back.

Wow.

And you can fold the seats flat so you can

sleep in it, they say.

Do you know what?

It is quite interesting how quickly these

Chinese cars have taken over,

not taken over, but how quickly I've started

to see them everywhere.

I'd say this time last year,

it would be, if I saw one, I'd be like,

oh, that's kind of weird that he's here.

One a day, one or two a day I now see.

a cherry, or a, well, BYD, there's loads of

BYD, you've got a lot of jacos.

A couple of jacos, car motors,

couple of leap frogs, leap motors,

leap motor, that's the one.

Yep.

Do we have Neo here?

Maybe, yeah.

I think we do.

We've got X-Peng, X-Peng, we've got the

Xiaomi, I think that's a phone.

Yeah, but they also make cars.

Of course they do.

Why would you just make one thing?

We've got, look, let's not forget who pays

the bills, who keeps the lights on.

Stenza.

Boys at Denza.

Oh, boys at Denza, keeping the lights on,

can't wait for the sponsorship.

Do you know what?

This is just a forwarding to Creamers.

If the day we ever get off a Denza

sponsorship comes in, we might actually

consider it not for the money,

simply for the meme.

Also, if Denza is-- They are for us,

but he can't.

We're gonna take it.

Sure, I'll give it a therapy.

Now, hold on, we were looking at Denza's at lunch.

With sheer, just random interest.

They've got some cool stuff.

Yeah.

Hold on, hold on, we're not gonna,

they're not paying yet, so let's keep the Denza done.

They might have some cool stuff.

They potentially might have some cool stuff.

We'll give it a therapy.

We're waiting to find out.

We've heard from Daniel Craig.

They've got crab mode.

Yeah.

That's how you sell it to us.

Now, Denza always makes me laugh because it's

now become, not just cream law,

but like off-camera, I was three-law.

We were just joking about Denza today.

Just like we are now.

Hold Denza with Danny.

Yeah.

'Cause they're not properly in the UK yet.

So our pitch to you is we can,

we can integrate you into the UK market.

And culture.

Using our audience of car people.

I've switched on electric heads.

Now, the thing we've been with last earlier

is that they're not in the UK yet.

And our website, it says launching early 2026.

Now, last time I checked, the next week is June.

Yeah.

So you've almost missed the car point of halfway.

It said launching in Europe in November,

cars starting to come to the UK in the

beginning of 2026.

Where's Daniel Craig?

Well, he's, he loved them so much.

He's got orders going to hit us.

But he does.

I bet he does.

I think they spunk the budget a bit on the market.

We can't make cars.

Daniel Craig, you had James Bond.

We can't even pay the employees anymore.

You've put in here people in Morgan's wearing hats.

Why is it that I every time I see a person in

a Morgan, it's an old man wearing some sort

of wicker

hat.

Like it's always like a raffier hat.

Like Willow.

What?

Willow plan.

It's a Panama style hat.

Okay, right.

That's what I'm seeing.

But I think I was driving the other day in TVR.

I saw two Morgan's and both of them had older

gentlemen wearing hats.

And they always have, they're always a

statement type hat.

It's not just unfair about it.

This is my hat.

It's a Morgan hat.

Big.

And then we were driving on Friday,

going to look at one of the golfers,

Morgan.

Man in a hat.

Man in a hat.

I need to know what it is.

Other cars, other cars, just normal hats.

No one feels like they have to wear it.

Like if you have an MX-5, you're not feeling

like the need to wear it.

It feels like a performative hat.

Yeah.

It feels like.

Wow.

I'm trying.

You're going to see me in the Morgan.

It's a big stuff.

We got the roof down.

Because only, you know, I haven't put hats off.

No.

So because of that.

Famously.

Famously.

Will come.

Will could have Morgan.

No.

No, that's what I mean.

What would you do?

Oh, it just wouldn't.

I couldn't.

Just wouldn't wear the hat and then I

wouldn't wear the car, would I?

Or you have to go for a three wheeler.

So it's out there enough that everyone's

like, well, he doesn't need a hat.

Although I've never tried on a hat like that.

Like a Panama hat.

Oh, well.

So maybe.

Trevor Landlord loves them.

Oh, he comes whizzing around.

And he suits it.

And he suits it.

No, he would suit.

I'm Morgan.

Well, he's the company that he used to work

for was called something Morgan Engineering.

Wow.

So that's why the moment he started working

there, they went, get that hat on old boy.

I bought a hat last week.

What was it?

I bought a, what was it called?

Like a safari hat in the ones where you can

like fold the sides up and it's got a little

buttons on the side.

Crocodile don't do you?

Literally, that sort of thing.

Yeah.

And it's got the dangly, like,

the dangly neck thing.

You can like, yeah.

Yeah.

With a little cork swinging.

No cork swinging on it.

But it is cool.

Where do you plan to use that?

I wore it.

Where?

When I was a whole day in Barbados.

I wore the hat.

Okay.

I bought the hat.

Do you have a photo of you in the hat?

I will take one.

We'll be needing one of those.

I can take one.

You brought the hat home.

You brought the hat home.

It's hung up on display.

Now, what that allows you now is the ability

to buy a Morgan.

If you walk into a dealership wearing that,

they'll go, "Sir, what kind of car can you get?

What's the spec that you'd like?"

What I'll do is I will take a photo of me in the hat.

We can overlay it on the screen.

Morgan, do you think Morgan sell hats?

They must have it.

They must have a merch like that.

Maybe it doesn't come with a hat.

It comes with the car.

It must have a hat line of, there is a

Morgan, it's like an option of extra.

Yeah.

Do you want the V8, sir?

Do you want this?

Do you want it to be automatic?

Whatever.

It depends.

Do you want it?

It depends on what type of car you buy,

you get a different style of hat.

So you go for the kind of base model one,

they go called Panama hat, all good.

You go for the B58 style one,

they're like, right, baseball cat backwards.

They say it's what you're going for this one.

A bald man walks into the store room and they go,

yes.

And it's a guaranteed sale.

Once we get him in that hat,

he will know he's not getting that.

Morgan is the only way to go.

But I brought this up also to pitch it to the creamers.

Keep an eye out.

You just watch.

Anyone with the roof down in a Morgan,

they got a kind of interesting hat on.

Just check out our hat and note down.

As long as you're not driving.

Mentally note down the hat, if you're

driving, if you're the passenger,

actually note down the type of hat that they

were wearing.

Please.

And then match it to the Morgan.

That's what we need to know.

Is it an older Morgan?

Is it a more modern Morgan?

Because

41:21 Morgan Owners' Hats Discussion

I'm going to guess it.

The more hat we're also, there's an older Morgan.

Yeah, aero eight people, I think are not in not hat.

No hat.

But I'm talking the old style hat.

Morgan, Morgan.

Yeah, roof down.

Yeah, big hat.

Big hat.

That doesn't match the car either.

I put it here, F50 Spot.

And that is because I saw an F50.

And I just felt the need to talk about it.

Actually, you just don't see them.

We're quite fortunate where we are.

The area we're in, there are many car things around.

We have GTO engineering, not far down road,

which are they do lots of, I guess you'd call

it a resto model.

They do like the big V12 Ferraris where they

make the modern and the 250s.

So often driving that, I think we mentioned it before.

But driving down that road, you'll often see

a 250 Ferrari, not GTO, but a 250 Ferrari of some sort.

Driving down the road, you won't know.

I've seen a few of those.

There's Noel Hill, which is a cold dealership.

Don't think it's that.

They don't sell that.

It's a car dealership, they sell some cool stuff.

And then they just dotted around,

there's some storage places and just some

really cool bits.

And at the moment, on the A4,

there's traffic that I avoid and have been

avoiding for quite some time.

And then one one day, I thought,

you know what, I'm going to try it and see

what it's like.

Sure.

I came through the green light on my side and

waiting on the other side, just two cars in.

It was just a black Ferrari,

a 50.

Crazy.

And I was standing, I was just looking at my

rear view mirror to check.

I was like, it was just a black F-50 in traffic.

And I said to Will, when he told the story,

he said, I saw an F-50, I was like,

oh cool, what color was it?

He said the black.

And I was like, there are how many F-50s Ben?

I don't remember.

There are 349 F-50s.

Oh wow, so that's how many black?

Four.

Four.

There are four.

Black F-50s.

Now there are, I think the Brunei cars are

added on top, so there are two black,

two silver, one yellow, one chirretto red.

But they are, the black cars are super rare.

I've double checked it.

Four black, four in silver, eight in dark red.

Sorry, it's Barchetta, not chirretto.

31 in yellow and 302 in red.

So it's just a super rare.

I don't actually remember.

Ever seeing an F-50 in the wild?

Yeah.

I've seen an Enzo in the wild once and maybe

an F-40, but like, it's cool to see them when

it's not near a show.

It's not near an event or leaving an event or

like, if an event is on and you see it in the

area, it feels a bit like cheating.

But that was a raw F-50 spot.

Organic at rush hour as well.

Just a rush hour.

So I'm like, I'm just going to take the F-50 out.

I'm going to take it out.

Why not?

Who cares?

I'm sitting traffic in the F-50.

That was cool.

Also, it looked really small compared to it.

It was boxed in by lots of electric Chinese mobiles.

So it looked tiny, but in black.

They're so good in black.

Silver also really the colour for F-50s.

If you're listening and you've got an F-50.

Just start a snow, you know?

We can look at that snow and just get it out.

Okay.

Get it out.

Have a cold first.

Have a look at it.

It's possible.

Can I get onto some more Ferrari news?

Here we go.

In the last minute.

Is this hot off the press?

Hot off it.

The Ferrari Luce.

Luce has been revealed.

Now, it's just a front shot.

I just saw it.

I went on YouTube to look at the stream

because it was happening as we were speaking.

And here it is.

Oh, no.

My pace.

Oh, no.

Now, for you, this news will be crazy old.

Yeah, two or three.

We're literally finding it out on the spot.

But I can't, I'm going to pull up the,

pull up on my phone.

It's 11 minutes past nine.

Now that was released like five minutes ago.

That's really tough.

I'm not a fan.

You have any information?

This is the electric Ferrari.

Yes.

Almost a thousand horsepower.

Quad motors.

So be quick.

But it's quick.

It's quick.

It's just quick speed.

And this is the thing that's going to have

that old school steering wheel with the

paddles and the old school biles and whatever else.

Something we looked at before.

Designed by Johnny Ive.

So this is, it's like an SUV type thing.

It's some sort of like, I would.

Oh no.

I guess it's kind of like, it's not SUV.

It's not crossover.

I think it's meant to be more like a,

a super saloon type thing, but in the shape of a.

Now I've, I've just got, I've got a photo of Will.

You're going to actually hate this.

That is tough.

That's what that is.

The, that's the actual car.

That's Ferrari.

But what I do have, what I can see is the wheels.

Now they are like, what they are is they

appear to be basically like Ferrari 555

spokes, but with a dish.

Now this is

interestingly, now I assume because it's

going to be a crossover, they'll be 74 inches

big and they won't fit.

But that's kind of cool.

I don't look into that.

But that's a horrible looking thing.

That actually, the picture you just showed me

that is vile.

No, a Ferrari can actually like,

Ferrari, this got me a lot of upsets.

Ferrari that Ferrari have decided,

right, we're not making

46:04 Ferrari Luce Electric Car Reveal

enough money.

Let's buy up all of the good old Ferraris.

Like Ferrari just out here buying up F40s,

F50s, those, all that sort of stuff.

They're then going, now let's sabotage ourselves.

We'll make horrible cars.

Now the value of all of these original cars

that we made that we've bought have gone up

so massively that we can sell them on a

profit and make more money than we would have

if we had have just sold good cars.

It all makes sense.

They're going, you know what,

we're in it for the long game.

They're like, no one's thought of this yet.

They're like, we are, we're not even one step

ahead of you.

We're so many steps ahead.

You don't know what the next step is.

We're all playing checkers and they are playing chess.

The rear wheel, except there's no pieces on

the board and they're just staring at it.

Sorry, I'm just in shock.

Throwing darts at it.

The rear wheel, you know where it looks like

there's a car parked on the car.

That gap that you can see, which we'll put on

the screen, is you can see the tire.

Right.

That's shooting a rock out the back of your car,

surely.

And it's bringing a scratch at your paintwork.

But they don't care.

You're a car maker.

Is that a concept or is that a thought?

That's it.

That's it.

That's tough.

It reminded me, because I forgot to add it

in, so we need to talk about it very briefly,

that Muc came out with that AMG 4-door thing.

Yeah, what's happening, man?

We have praised Mercedes recently by saying

some of their modern stuff is better than BMW

and they've had a couple of little like,

"What's going on here?"

But that thing, it's not an actual AMG GT,

it's the 4-door, which was never that great looking.

No, but it always looked quite aggressive.

It's horrible.

It's completely different to everything else.

Again, that makes me think that they're doing

it just to go, "Look how good the old stuff is."

It's someone stabbing you

and then giving you something sweet

afterwards and going, "It's not,

I didn't know anything about it."

It's they give you something really horrible

so that when they give you the next thing

they go, you go, "It's not that bad."

this one because you've just seen something

absolutely heinous.

It makes me look at the G8, what is it called?

How do I forget?

It's G8M3.

It makes me look at those and go,

"You're bad, but you're not that bad."

At least you're not Merck at this point.

It's tough.

Just Merck had something relatively good going.

I saw that.

I could barely believe it.

It's crazy.

I saw the rear because that reminded me of

that rear where it was sort of like that

weird dark panel with the of the round lights now.

That's not a Merck.

Again, when I see it, it makes me think about

that Hyundai Genesis thing, that wagon.

Man, feel free to take over from here,

Hyundai.

If enough companies do that,

if enough Hyundai's Kia's things come out

with actually just not subtle,

but the word would be understated by angry designs.

Like we've been enjoying for the last 20,

30 years, they could capitalize quite largely

on enthusiasts and performance car buyers.

Just over designing everything.

Why, Joe, man, do you get rid of it?

They keep adding stuff.

And just logos.

Yeah, logo, logo, logo.

Everywhere.

Light, light, make that light up.

Now, I had three more lights,

make it green, make it make more lights,

make the badge light up.

Yeah, so I don't get it.

Going back to the mold cars,

we mentioned a few weeks ago,

I think at this stage, that there was the

original five litre manual Gallardo press car

was coming up for auction, I completely

forgot, but the date would have,

by the time this comes out, would have been a

long time ago.

Now, the estimate was 150 to 180,000 euro,

170,000 to 220,000.

Oh, wow, okay, euros.

And this was like, it's a 40,000 mile car,

I want to say, might have come to this car.

So, but like, it's not like a super low mile car.

No.

It's more about the fact that it was the

press car, it's the one that Clarkson drove

on top gear, it's the one that everyone kind

of drove, it's really cool.

Italian, it would have been originally

Italian registered.

It sold for 140,000 pounds.

Wow.

So that is near their estimate.

Like low estimate.

Yeah.

But I mean, just the prices of those Galados

are just flying.

Yeah.

Not long ago, they were 50,000 pound cars and

people were struggling to get rid of them

because it was like, "Oh, why the hell do you

want one of those?"

And it feels like recently, they just had

that like, this resurgence where everyone

goes, "No, that's the Lamborghini that saved

Lamborghini."

And I'm not saying nothing.

But no one was saying shit before.

And I bought one.

And then I was like, not because I bought

one, I'm not saying that, but it just

happened to be that right timing.

And it's worked out perfectly because of what's behind.

But yeah, it's just weird that they go in

those cycles where no one cared about it.

It was, you couldn't give them away for some

like

manual cars.

You're like, "I can't even sell this.

No one wants this.

They want a hurricane.

They want this."

And now everyone just desperate to buy one.

Yeah.

It feels like what we said with Johnny Smith.

With 2000s is now, it's the coming up to the

late mid to late 2000s is the place to be for

investing on cars.

You can't buy the cars as they bought in games.

Maybe it's the cars you grew up with.

It's the cars you've gained with along the way.

And then they'll put you into horrific debt.

So older.

I want the Ferrari from Simpson's hidden run.

Who can make the one?

I want the rocket car.

No, you crazy from handling that from him.

Everyone knows the handling was terrible.

car.

Ben, Simpson's hidden run.

You have a wasted childhood.

I was like.

Bart's rocket car was one of the most

disappointing things.

Yeah.

Because it looked like a rocket,

like a NASA rocket, like a space craft,

we haven't got it.

And it didn't drive like it.

No.

No.

Well, you didn't know how those drive.

Well, I just think if you transferred that

into a car, it should be really good.

Yeah.

It's great.

But it wasn't.

Yeah.

And it wasn't.

It was bad.

And it did.

Yeah.

It's just not good at all.

But hit and run.

What game?

Great.

Speaking of games.

It's for the rise.

Again, it will have been out for some time.

Now I will, I will make an admission.

I did not have an Xbox and I went out and

bought an Xbox to play this game.

And mainly because it has a Honda B.

It has a Honda B and you can put a mutant kit on it.

So you can make it look exactly like my car.

So I was happy.

But I was quite pleasantly surprised by this game.

It's been out for a little while.

We didn't get invited to any of the promo stuff.

I'm a little bit salty about that.

Not saying we deserve to be there.

I think we don't.

But we like car games, man.

It's usually the only reason we've got the

only reason the car game is not here is

because there's a Lamborghini Mercilago behind us.

But we like car games.

I want Mercilago and Tuscan to be scanned

into the game.

I want it now.

Also, you got those models.

All you got to do is bring ours in so you can

get the colors and all the little details,

right?

And you can just have it.

53:00 Forza Horizon 5 Game Impressions

would be cool.

But I've been quite impressed by the game.

The map, if you are, I know a lot of you

aren't gamers, so we won't spend too long on it.

But if you are, and you've been considering

you have an Xbox, I actually think it's worth a try.

There are lots of downfalls.

The car list is basically the same as every

other Forza Horizon you have ever played.

Most of the load of the car list is still the

same from motorsport too.

Like there's a lot of eh in there.

But the map is incredibly good.

They've done a very good job with that.

I've probably put 20 hours into this game and

I don't still don't think I've driven every road.

I'm at like 200 out of 600.

And he's a big boy.

And they've ended some, but it's just like,

they don't freshen up the car list.

It's quite a down mark to say the worst part

about it is the car list on a car gate.

But the mods as well, Delta,

you still can't move the rear wing on a Delta.

That's basic car person stuff.

All you need to do is get someone some nerd

like us, not necessarily even us to come in

for a day.

Sit down and go, yeah, on a Delta,

you're going to want the rear wing to be able to move.

Just be able to have that at different notches.

On, I can't remember what it was.

There was something else that I drove that

was like, there's a basic mark that's been

missed here on not having this modification.

Like even E46 M3 having CSL body parts.

Stuff that people do to cars should be in there.

Like need for speed 2015.

That's now a 11 year old game.

And it kind of blows it out the water in

terms of getting car culture.

And there's a just a few that they've updated

some models.

So like the way most of those games work is

they will scan some new cars when they make a

new game and that you will see that that

those cars look incredible.

But they often take other models from other

games and they only sort of slightly improve them.

Some of them, they have improved.

I think like the S13 or 14, I can't remember S15.

I think it's one of them.

But the 46 and three is in there.

One of the best, it still has the wrong wheels.

Yeah.

So like wrong wheels has the wrong,

they've just someone is picking the front and

put them on the back when it's not how is

quite an obvious design difference.

That's my other big issue.

Again, I don't want it to sound like we're

sitting on this because it is actually quite good.

Also in photos to all the events.

They have something has gone wrong with the wheels.

As a wheel boy, every wheel that we used to

be correct and not many of them were correct

are now convex.

They have weird like spokes that move in and

it means that now most of the wheels that I

used to choose are not usable.

They do have a decent T37 now though.

They've got used to the flat T37.

and then that's not correct.

But that's the big thing.

That's just me because I'm obsessed with the wheels.

Most people go, that's fine.

Just like exhaust, whatever case,

just stuff like that.

I mean, also I was deeply upset because you

can customize your garage, which is actually

one of the best things because it's a bit

like test drive or project golf and racing

back in the day where you could you can lay

your cars out and go look at my cars instead

of going out and doing real world things.

I'm going to look at my fake collection of cars.

I was like, this is amazing.

And I've spent many hours removing rocks from my out.

And I finally got to the point where I could

get an SV,

Mercy Lager.

Nice.

And I got in it.

And it sounds like shit.

Yeah, completely.

And they've had almost the perfect Mercy

Lager in Nice for so many years,

even more so back in like, Bowser,

Thor, and even some of the early Horizon games.

Perfect.

Down to the last detail.

Perfect.

Mercy Lager in Nice.

And it's now just completely generic for you

to have nice.

And also there's a while other rant with it

is they have a, there's a noise of like the,

if you have like vents or a wing that goes up

or something like that, it's the loud,

have you heard that?

No, it just goes, but it's constant.

So if you're in a car that, where it goes up

and down all the time, it's constant noise in

an event store, it's awful.

I think you can change your setting,

but it's just done.

But as far as Horizon games go,

I would definitely try it out if I was you.

I think it's the best one for a long time.

I was gonna say for me, it's the best one since two.

I think.

Just two in general.

Just two.

Just two.

No, since Horizon two, I think it's the best one.

I haven't played it.

I really want to play it, but--

We should have a little--

Ben, come over to my house, completely.

Oh, cool, man.

I went to play St.

Cruz.

I went to play St.

Cruz once, which later this year,

apparently.

But I haven't got an Xbox.

Can we play?

Can we play if that's the--

We can play.

We play Warzone till a couple of times,

didn't we?

Yeah, it's good, yeah.

Yeah, we can make a club, we might make Creamers Club.

We can work that out.

'Cause can you do car meets,

is that a thing?

Yeah.

Yeah, we have a little Cream car meet.

Well, before the real one, which we have been

promising you for a very long time,

we'll have an animated game one.

Well, most of the Creamers are listening to this.

What's going on?

What's going on?

Skip, skip, skip, skip, skip,

skip, skip, skip.

Okay, we're back, we're back in the

room.

Edwin, you have said here that the GMA spec

can be talked about.

Yes, we talked a few weeks ago about a GMAT50

that you'd find on the page worst spec.

It was IKEA type beat blue with yellow.

And I said, I reckon it's not real.

I think someone's having some Photoshop based

japery with us.

And unfortunately, I got a message,

I will leave him anonymous.

He said, I work for GMA.

I can confirm that.

Gordon has finally messaged.

Gordon's back.

He's finally reached out.

Gordon slid in my DMs and said,

just so you know.

No, he said, I work for GMA and I can

unfortunately let you know that car is 100% real.

Wow, crazy.

And is spec for that exact way.

IKEA.

So shout out to the creamers listening from GMA.

Well, I didn't know.

Some of the places we've seen creamers work are working.

It's Pega's belief.

Why you have well to do jobs.

You're knowledgeable people and you have choice.

You don't have to listen to many other pop-ups.

There's so many things you could do instead

of listening to this draft, but you seem to enjoy it.

Maybe they pity us.

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

It's sort of like going and

seeing apes at the zoo.

He's picking his bum.

Ben does do that quite often to be fair.

Brilliant.

Sometimes we help.

Just wanted to go through this.

This is something top gear released,

just on the website, not like new TV or anything.

Saying that this is the top 50 cars of the 2010s.

I'm not going to go through the full 50,

but we'll speak about some, but I wanted to

go through the top 10.

'Cause I thought 2010s in my head,

I was not meant, but 2010s is actually peak

autumn appeal.

This is 2000 to 2010s or 2010s almost?

2010 to 2020, I guess.

Okay, okay, okay.

Now what do you expect to be in there?

Okay, we've got a ventador has to be in there.

A ventador is an eventador, I believe.

I just saw it.

It is number 23.

It's all in 918, La Ferrari,

gotta be near the top.

P1 is number five.

Very good.

Good to hear.

Good to hear.

Good to hear.

Is that for us?

Number four.

Oh, don't like that.

918.

Number six.

Fine, fine with, would you want me to go with

the top 10?

P1 has to be, yes, sure.

So starting from 10.

Is it, now hold on, let me ask this.

Is it going to be very diplomatic where there

are normal cars in there?

Where it's like, this is very important.

Some of them, the Golf Mark 7.

The Fiesta Mark 6, so for a few.

7 ST is in there, at number 13,

GT86 at number 14.

So let's get the top 10 then.

So the top 10, number 10, is the 675 LT.

Okay, I think that's not about you.

Let me have a, what I think is a,

yeah, it's 997, 911 GT3 RS4 liter,

at number nine.

Okay.

This one, not sure.

Okay.

Number eight, and I8.

Now, now, now, now, now, hold on,

now, hold on.

Now I'm not saying I agree.

But for what it is, remember,

carbon, we, I did a load of research in this,

for this series, we have a coming up,

coming up, coming on another channel.

You'll find out about that soon.

On an I8, they are incredibly special.

Full carbon tub, they were BMWs,

like Halo car, I get it, but in terms of,

it's not that special.

I guess from like an impressive point of

view, that their point of view is saying that

most hybrids or electric cars are incredibly

heavy, whereas when that came out,

it was still a relatively lightweight sports

car, it's got doors that go up,

it does look, I'm not that keen on the way

they look, but they have aged incredibly

well, back across 12 years old.

But better than a 675 LT, I'm not sure about that.

It is a bit odd, and they did tank in value,

big time, I don't know, maybe they were

popular, I have seen a lot of them.

1:01:24 Top Gear's Top 50 Cars of the 2010s

From when I did, I think it was 2000 came to

the UK, I think it was something like that.

So, and then if it's like the 4C,

there'll be another 25,000 somewhere else.

A110, and I'm seven, I actually think that's

kind of fair.

That's fair, I do think.

Of course, to be quite popular.

There were, also, remember, that's basically

that, well, that was their first car back.

And there are lots of A110s around,

but I see A110s pretty often.

Also, Alpine coming back felt like the sort

of thing where no one would buy it,

and they would die.

Yeah, like Lotus spec.

I see far more Alpeins than I see Exieges,

Lotus, that sort of stuff.

I think that's fair.

Number six, nine on eight.

Number five, P1, number four,

La Ferrari.

Not happy with that.

I would move the P1 and the La Ferrari around.

Number three.

Number three, hold on, hold on.

Number three, this one, just think about it.

All right, 29 to eight.

It was a shirt on, I'll be sad.

No, I think--

No, don't be so obvious that it was a silly.

I think it's got a beef, the Land Rover

Defender in there.

Defender's in there, it's not number three.

Oh, shut up.

It's not in the top 10, so it's on the list.

It's still human, it's going to be top three,

I was like, nag it out of it.

It's on the list, but it's not nine to 10.

Oh, that's good, that's a good shot.

It is, it's a Volkswagen.

Is it, it's not an ID?

Is it a Lupo?

It's a Golf GTI Mark 7.

I said it.

I wouldn't be there, but it seems to be on

the list, but not there.

What does it say about it?

It just says it's--

This is a car.

(laughs)

So basically, it's a Golf GTI,

everyone.

I get it, I get it from a point of view,

but like, like the top, I'm--

I guess it depends on the way on your outlook

on--

Also, I'm gonna say it, I don't think GTI is

important as it used to be.

No.

A Golf GTI used to be, to put the Instagram

pants on, it's the last bastion of heart hatches.

It's, you know, it's the default for a reason.

But

nowadays, there's a load of other options,

and the GTI feels a bit stale,

if that makes sense.

Also, there's the R, there's bigger,

better versions now, whereas GTI always used

to be like, this is just a gold standard of a

good, good car, I don't know that there is important.

But I guess they're just saying it.

They have sold it.

There is nothing it's bad at,

it does everything.

True, this is true.

Fast car, it's practical, it does all these things.

But I just feel like being in the top,

it could have been in the top 50.

Yes, what this list is, and I would have been

pleased if you put it in at number 12,

I'd go, you know what, totally fair enough.

Yeah, it's true.

So number two's got BGT.

Above a La Ferrari.

Got BGTD as I'm saying.

I guess they can't go full supercars in the

top 10, otherwise you look like you're just

being a bit of a child.

But that's what cars are about,

being a child.

Number two, Alexis LFA, which for some reason

is in 2010.

I think at 2010 that came out.

Now hold on, now what's number one then?

Number one.

Number one is a supercar.

Okay.

The Hennessy Venom GT.

As I've mentioned, it was number 23.

Oh, fair.

A 4-8-H Speciale.

No.

You're not Ben.

4-5-8.

You just made up a model, but you almost got it,

yeah.

4-5-8 Speciale.

I meant to, that's it.

You're not, Ben, good stuff.

That is a, it seems to be that is the

hottest, hottest property on the block at the moment.

Everyone seems to be talking about Speciale's

and Pista's.

Pista!

That's a 4-8-8.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Okay.

So not Speciale's.

No, I meant the 4-5-8, but why I got confused

between these two.

Okay, okay.

What's number 50?

Let me see what, what is the,

the Super, G.R.

Super?

Okay.

I guess it will be.

Also, is this, if you're doing top 100,

there's about 100 cars, right?

Shouldn't we get into 99 minutes to the X-Peng stall?

The Denza.

Denza, you just start reading out a fours of

horizon list, basically.

I kind of, I can't beat this,

a long list to read out.

What else we got on what did notable?

1:05:08 Notable Cars in the List

What else is in there that's surprising?

The XC90 at number 49?

Interesting.

I guess I know that they're very popular,

and I see them everywhere, and the police use

them, but I didn't think they were as good as

old school XC90s.

I think they have a lot of problems.

Creamers will be able to, more informed

creamers will be able to, and that was,

the XC90 was pipped to 48th place by the Ford GT.

Which was pipped to 48th place by the Porsche Macan.

And the Porsche Macan, I think,

it's quite popular, but it's just a bit like,

yeah.

And then the euros is after that.

So again, from a point of view of a little

bit like a glardo, it's like,

this is a, you know, sold in ridiculous

numbers, but I want to know if,

I want to know what the thought process

behind this actually is.

Is it a group of people doing like this,

or is it someone that went, right,

here's a top 10, I've had a thought about

that, just hit random ice on the rest.

They'll just go in there.

Number 44.

What's that then?

Banish Hanley.

(laughs)

What is a hundred?

A hundred?

I know it's a top 50.

Oh, sorry, okay.

(laughs) My question is that.

What would you put it at?

Should.

We got an eyepace at 41.

So you got I-30 yen at 39.

50 whoops in there.

50 was what?

50 was a G.R.

Supra.

Oh, wow, last of the lead board.

The M-235, F-Type, 36, SLS at 37.

You know what, I'm gonna say it,

F-Type should be way further up there.

F-Type should be, I'd like to have left to that.

Is the Jaguar being reborn for that era?

Before F-Type, Jags were S-types,

X-types, Re-bodied Mondayos type beat.

F-Type

was the return of, wow, Jags is actually kind of cool.

And then that brought up the status of like

XJs and things as well.

So I think F-Type was way more important.

And I'm not leaving that big on them.

We've got a C7 Corvette at 26.

We've got an I-3 at 27, quite L-405 at 28.

All superfast, Phantom, Eventador 23.

Ben, what do you think of the least important

car of the 2010s is?

That for me is going to be the Kia Pecanto.

Sure, why not?

It's a car.

Yeah, no.

This whole list is just cars.

Also, there's definitely a creamer right now

listening to this new Kia Pecanto.

And you've just really upset them.

Sorry, man.

I just, they just got out of the car.

They've left it.

And he did that.

He touched it at the side of the straight.

Said, well, what was the point?

Top gears that got their top 50.

No, he's got their worst one.

We'll do at end of the year if we ever do a

cream magazine or an annual of jolts.

We will put together a top 50 cars,

just top 50 cars.

Number one model T.

Number one M at 19.

Going through

this list though, I'm like, is that a 2010s?

'Cause I feel like there's some of them are

older than that.

Yeah.

But they are.

It's just, obviously, 10 years,

it's 10 years.

It's not a 10 car, it's not a...

No, it's 50.

I don't know, just carry on.

Well, there we go.

Let us know what you'd rank your car at if

it's from the 2010s.

That was deliberate, that was deliberate,

Alan Partridge.

Edwin, you put in here a very honest Facebook seller.

I am in the market from Mercedes,

not for me, but for my

1:08:19 Edwin's Mercedes Hunt

girlfriend.

She has decided for some reason that she

really likes 124s, that is the E-Class from

the late 80s, early 90s, mid 90s.

But she would like a convertible one in a

very specific color.

So I am on the hunt for a Bournite metallic

A124 for the Mercedes nerds listening.

And because of that, I've started looking on

Facebook at Cars for Sale, and I found the

E-Class convertible that is quite okay looking.

It's listed two months ago, so it's been a little while.

Will I'm a hand you the conversation I've had

with this man?

Please look at the date, so I sent this at,

I think I sent this maybe mid 80s,

April, I sent my message, he'd read my

message and then his.

Hi, have you still got this available?

And are you aware of anything that would stop

this going through an MOT?

It had been off the road for like two months

at this point.

And he responded at 25 to five on the 12th of

May, he said, "Rust."

That is it.

No capital there.

We're on rust, just rust.

He got you.

He just said, look, this is what this guy wants here.

He's clearly a buyer that knows what he wants.

He worked out the full sentence and it was

the full like, I mean, honestly,

like it's a really great car,

drives well, it goes well, it stops well,

idles perfectly, pulls like a train.

But it's just a couple of bits.

I really want to, if I were you,

there's a couple of scabby bits on the arch.

There's a little bit underneath it.

It's just surface corrosion,

really.

Nothing that shouldn't, but like you might

want to get it looked at instead.

It just did it all meant rust.

Rust.

You know what?

It's actually, it's quite a good sales tactic

because if I come back, if I respond,

then clearly I'm serious.

I'm willing to look past this.

I was wrong.

These are more sales.

It's from my car.

Broadknock.

Rust, isn't it?

So do you want it?

Goes and sees it, finds a rust.

Well, meanwhile that car is still for sale

two months later.

So you save rust?

Where?

Yeah, it's not even deliberately where,

why, when, when did the rust happen?

Crazy.

But yeah, if you not, shout out to you Facebook.

So at least you're honest about it.

Benjamin, hi, you've seen a fake F-150,

tell me about it.

What does that mean?

How does that happen?

I, when I was away, I saw this car,

this mysterious car, which I'll send to you

in the chat now.

Thanks so much.

And then we'll put it on the screen.

And it's a fake F-150.

What is the BYD?

But this is a fake, literally a fake F-150.

Here we go, Ben, you've set a photo,

what?

No way.

Isn't that, that's, that looks like a Rivian.

That's the BYD shark.

That's, that is just an F-150.

That's crazy.

So for audio listeners, think the modern Ford

design that has kind of the sharp,

the light.

The C clamp.

The C clamp design headlights.

And that's what they've BYD have gone.

Oh, like that.

I think, I'll have that.

They looked around the room and said,

we can just take that, right?

They went, where are we from?

We're in China.

Oh, we can just nick it.

Do whatever we like.

Yeah.

That has been showing us the rear and that is

also an F-150.

That's an F-150.

Crazy.

But now surely the biggest market for the

F-150 is America and surely they're not going

to tolerate that.

No.

They're going to go, I don't think you're

serving this here.

Also, with the big, even with the big BYD

across the grill, like the big Ford in the grill.

It's just coffee.

I thought that was mental.

Do you know what?

Our friends at Ford, they'll hear about this.

They will hear about this and they'll go,

there's nothing we can do.

Thanks for sending it.

But honestly, we've told them and they went,

we do not care.

We're shipping them.

They looked at it and went, don't see the resemblance.